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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Law => Topic started by: daniel99 on March 06, 2008, 06:02:53 pm
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hey, I was considering applying for a law degree next year, after year 12. I no that I will get the marks required but im not sure if law is right for me. I did legal studies and good real good marks for that and enjoyed it. Could you please give me some feedback on what you think of your uni course, institution, the workload and the amount of contact hours and days that you have to attend uni. Im not sure what uni I would go to, I was thinking Deakin Melbourne (Burwood). If there are any deakin students could you please tell me about the Uni and what it is like. Thanks for commenting back, if u do.
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OK I've only done my course for what, 2 weeks, so don't take this as gospel :P
Firstly, from what I've heard from classmates who did legal last year, it has just about nothing to do with what we're studying in law this year. That's partly why I didn't do legal. So I would say don't use it as an indicator of whether you'll enjoy law or not, or whether you'll do well or not.
Secondly, if you wanna do law, you better damned well like reading :P because theres a shitload of reading to do every week and if you don't do it and get a tough lecturer like mine who uses the Socratic method, you're screwed, both in class and for the final exam :P also get used to the fact that you'll be doing quite a lot of public speaking - if you can't, then maybe law isn't for you, cos you won't be able to get around that during your degree.
I'm at Monash so I can't help you with Deakin, but I'm loving the atmosphere at uni, you get to meet so many new people with similar interests to you and there is so much more freedom!
I'm doing arts/law and yet only have 16 contact hours a week - but for every hour of class you're expected to do 2 hours of self-study, so I guess that's still a heavy workload.
Good luck with VCE :)
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Thank you for the reply it was very helpful, good luck with law..
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How often would you speak in public and what are the circumstances in which you have to do it????, e.g. in front of a tutorial class etc,
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well less than a week ago I did a presentation in one of my lectures. the lecturer has already said that every single person will have spoken in front of the class at least once by the end of the semester. and for my other law subject the lecturer uses the socratic method of questioning so you don't know when you'll be called upon to give an answer to her questions. and I spose if you choose to do mooting that's another place you'd speak in public ...
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I would see mooting as the best part of law, I think :D
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If you want to do Law @ Deakin and you're unsure of whether Law is truly right for you, I recommend you do a double degree (Arts/Law, Com/Law, etc). The ENTERs at Deakin would be low enough for you to get into a double degree and, if you do decide that law isn't right for you, I'm sure it would be a much simpler process to revert to a single degree using your alternative from the double degree than it would be to switch single degrees entirely *hopes that makes sense*. You'd also get plenty of credit and wouldn't have to start over again.
Also, employers in the legal profession will look highly upon people with expertise in a second area so if you liked both degrees you could keep going with both (You could really use an Arts psychology major or knowledge of business or commerce to push your career forward, depending on where you'd like to go).
The third alternative would be that you find that you absolutely love law to no end and you hate your second degree, so you drop the Commerce or Arts or Science (etc) side of your double degree further down the track. It's really about giving yourself more options I spose, but that's just something to think about. If I was unsure, that's what I'd do.
Deakin Burwood '07 Clearly-In:
Law 93.65, Arts / Law 94.00, Commerce / Law 94.30, International Studies / Law 94.05, Science/Law 93.95.
There were some more double degrees with Law in them, but they're only offered @ Geelong campuses.
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with the speaking in public thing, if you're not that good at it atm, would it be a bad idea to take law up anyway? i know its an integral part of the course but you can always improve on it, given that you'll be doing so much (according to you guys), right? or is there no room for people who aren't great speakers?
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garr what .... public speaking ... :(
uh ohs...
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with the speaking in public thing, if you're not that good at it atm, would it be a bad idea to take law up anyway? i know its an integral part of the course but you can always improve on it, given that you'll be doing so much (according to you guys), right? or is there no room for people who aren't great speakers?
I guess that depends on how much potential you have. If you want to do it, and just lack practice (like me), then you probably could practice law with not many problems. Try to make a conscious effort of participating more in classes, and you will naturally become better at speaking. I'm pretty sure assessments in a law degree are typically written, rather than oral.
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dusty_girl1144, if you want to practice law, you're gonna need to public speak
with the speaking in public thing, if you're not that good at it atm, would it be a bad idea to take law up anyway? i know its an integral part of the course but you can always improve on it, given that you'll be doing so much (according to you guys), right? or is there no room for people who aren't great speakers?
Of course you can improve on it :) only maybe less than half the people in my course are actually brilliant public speakers, the rest of us grab all the chances we can to improve ... such as by doing mooting etc.
There is definitely room for people who aren't great speakers as long as you are willing to improve (or you don't actually want to practice law)
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or you could be a solistor instead of a barrister
A solistor is basically a type lawyer who gives legal aid outside of court, rather then the stereotypical lawyer who argues in court for their client (a barrister).
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A solicitor still needs excellent communication skills, since they're the ones who interview clients and they're the ones who have to make sure they get as many facts as possible, especially when it comes to difficult clients.
Hence, public speaking if you want to practice law, whether as a solicitor, barrister or judge.
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I will probably start off as a solicitor, then slowly move up in the rankings... Giving expert advice, and ultimately, being one of those 'no win, no pay' barristers. Then when I win a case, here come the big bucks. :P Then I will be a judge for the remainder of my years, and ultimately retire when I'm 70 (why was that referendum passed? :()
I'm going to make sure the legal system has my name encased in a wall somewhere :P
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I will probably start off as a solicitor, then slowly move up in the rankings... Giving expert advice, and ultimately, being one of those 'no win, no pay' barristers. Then when I win a case, here come the big bucks. :P Then I will be a judge for the remainder of my years, and ultimately retire when I'm 70 (why was that referendum passed? :()
I'm going to make sure the legal system has my name encased in a wall somewhere :P
haha you've got your whole life planned out already. nice.
with the speaking in public thing, if you're not that good at it atm, would it be a bad idea to take law up anyway? i know its an integral part of the course but you can always improve on it, given that you'll be doing so much (according to you guys), right? or is there no room for people who aren't great speakers?
I guess that depends on how much potential you have. If you want to do it, and just lack practice (like me), then you probably could practice law with not many problems. Try to make a conscious effort of participating more in classes, and you will naturally become better at speaking. I'm pretty sure assessments in a law degree are typically written, rather than oral.
yeah im probably lacking in practice, i mean, with english oral presentations for example im decent id say. besides the usual butterflies in stomach issue just before you actually do it haha.
dusty_girl1144, if you want to practice law, you're gonna need to public speak
with the speaking in public thing, if you're not that good at it atm, would it be a bad idea to take law up anyway? i know its an integral part of the course but you can always improve on it, given that you'll be doing so much (according to you guys), right? or is there no room for people who aren't great speakers?
Of course you can improve on it :) only maybe less than half the people in my course are actually brilliant public speakers, the rest of us grab all the chances we can to improve ... such as by doing mooting etc.
There is definitely room for people who aren't great speakers as long as you are willing to improve (or you don't actually want to practice law)
sweet, that's good to know :]
hmm i got another Q though, is it advisable to do an arts degree along with your law degree so that you can improve your public speaking?
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People on here watch way too much American television!!!
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A solicitor still needs excellent communication skills, since they're the ones who interview clients and they're the ones who have to make sure they get as many facts as possible, especially when it comes to difficult clients.
Hence, public speaking if you want to practice law, whether as a solicitor, barrister or judge.
but still thats communication skills :) not exactly public speaking :P
lol I probably shouldn't go against what you say because your the one whose doing law not me, haha
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hmm i got another Q though, is it advisable to do an arts degree along with your law degree so that you can improve your public speaking?
I don't think an arts degree really provides much opportunity for public speaking, unless you choose to major in drama or something lol ... I think I've done maybe one tutorial presentation for international studies and that's it
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For arts tutorial presentations, it's usually irrelevant how you speak anyway, they try to judge solely on content (at least, in my experience).
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I'm somewhat attracted to law for it's in-the-moment, competitive side; arts is more of an ongoing discourse [though you can always have an impromptu debate, I suppose]. I'd have to try and determine how much of law I'd enjoy and how transferable the knowledge and skills are, if I was going to do it.
Pity they don't have mooting here where you can join in even if you don't do Law, like they do at Oxford http://users.ox.ac.uk/~univ2320/Univ%20MootSoc/Mooting.html
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For arts tutorial presentations, it's usually irrelevant how you speak anyway, they try to judge solely on content (at least, in my experience).
Ditto for mooting, the judge chooses the winning team based on the law
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whats mooting?
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A moot is a simulated appeal in a superior court, based on a mock fact scenario and judgment from a lower court. No witnesses, just good old fashioned legal argument about whether or not the lower court decision was correct.
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Hehe, much like the process of Overruling. (Except all facts are real)
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A moot is a simulated appeal in a superior court, based on a mock fact scenario and judgment from a lower court. No witnesses, just good old fashioned legal argument about whether or not the lower court decision was correct.
wow that sounds fun :)
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I'm somewhat attracted to law for it's in-the-moment, competitive side; arts is more of an ongoing discourse [though you can always have an impromptu debate, I suppose]. I'd have to try and determine how much of law I'd enjoy and how transferable the knowledge and skills are, if I was going to do it.
Pity they don't have mooting here where you can join in even if you don't do Law, like they do at Oxford http://users.ox.ac.uk/~univ2320/Univ%20MootSoc/Mooting.html
? They have mooting at ANU - though it's predominantly law students who take part.
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hey, I was considering applying for a law degree next year, after year 12. I no that I will get the marks required but im not sure if law is right for me. I did legal studies and good real good marks for that and enjoyed it. Could you please give me some feedback on what you think of your uni course, institution, the workload and the amount of contact hours and days that you have to attend uni. Im not sure what uni I would go to, I was thinking Deakin Melbourne (Burwood). If there are any deakin students could you please tell me about the Uni and what it is like. Thanks for commenting back, if u do.
While you've deleted your account, I'll add my two cents:
My philosophy is if you're asking 'IS COURSE X THE RIGHT COURSE???' (going simply by the thread title), then the answer is 'probably not'. Nor can we answer that question for you.
A good course is where you know what discipline (but maybe not specific course) you want to get into. Judging from what you've said about your enjoyment of legal studies, then perhaps it may be a good course for you.
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which one will have a greater chance of employment (overseas inc) and worth the years spent in uni:(which degree combo is more worthy) Note: the academic result is the same.
Melbourne Uni: Commerce + JD= ~5.2-6 years
or
Monash Uni: Commerce + Bachelor of Laws ~5 to 5.5 years
Note: if you got an ENTER of 99.5 would you go to monash or melbourne in this scenario. ??
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UoM
they are better recognised, and you would graduate with a masters (i think?)
unless its inconvenient, I'd go for the prestige and higher qualification.
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I would go Monash commerce/law because:
1. You have to do the LSAT to get into the JD
2. You need consistently excellent results in commerce to get into JD, and in case I bombed out I don't want to "waste" (for lack of a better word - by no means am I suggesting that commerce degrees are bad) my ENTER score on just a commerce degree when I could have had commerce AND law degrees
But I'd go UoM because:
1. Breadth (yes I actually like this idea, UoM students please don't shoot me)
2. I think you'd get a scholarship if you got 99.55 (?)
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correct me if I'm wrong, but JD = LLB
they only differ in that JD is a graduate degree whereas LLB is undergraduate
but what you learn is the same (there's only one legal system you can study after all!)
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It is slightly more flexible to do the Commerce degree first. You can convince firms, while in your 2nd year, that you will work with them after your Commerce degree, whereas in a double-degree, you can't do this until 4th year (firms like to hire people in their penultimate year). You can stop after your Bachelors if you want.
If not, having the Masters looks better than the Bachelors.
This would be the choice that I would take if I also knew I had an interest in Commerce (and not just purely Law).
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whilst i was going to post, you guys had beat me to it. lol
nina you are right, i was going to post that it would be risky going to UoM doing commerce and then trying out the LMAT?/? for JD.
does anyone know how competitive it is to get into JD?
how many commerce students are there? 2000??(guessing)
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whilst i was going to post, you guys had beat me to it. lol
nina you are right, i was going to post that it would be risky going to UoM doing commerce and then trying out the LMAT?/? for JD.
does anyone know how competitive it is to get into JD?
how many commerce students are there? 2000??(guessing)
Approx 655 were given CSP places last year
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there is also a JD for Monash.
i think JD is the degree for students with no background of law? is this right?
and is monash uni globally known, ie, for their law degree/commerce.
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i think JD is the degree for students with no background of law? is this right?
correct
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I want to do Juris Doctor, but I can't be bothered with so many extra years :(. Although I would consider TAFE :)
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My goal after completing my undergraduate commerce degree to get into UoM's JD program :)
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hmm... can the commerce degree be accelerated if you got 99+ ENTER??
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You can accelerate by overloading I think, you don't necessarily have to have gotten 99+ to do so
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Commerce is 'acceleratable' @ most unis, but chances r u'll have 2 apply 2 ur faculty 4 permission, u won't b able 2 over-load in first year/semester, and u'll need decent results 4 ur overloading 2 b approved.
There's also the option of summer semesters @ some unis.
@ Monash tho, I've heard that summer semesters r really crammed, and they're mostly designed 4 students that failed the unit and need 2 re-do it rather than ppl that want 2 learn the unit from scratch.
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It is slightly more flexible to do the Commerce degree first. You can convince firms, while in your 2nd year, that you will work with them after your Commerce degree, whereas in a double-degree, you can't do this until 4th year (firms like to hire people in their penultimate year). You can stop after your Bachelors if you want.
If not, having the Masters looks better than the Bachelors.
This would be the choice that I would take if I also knew I had an interest in Commerce (and not just purely Law).
it's actually not a masters degree. thats the LLM. the comment about internships is really important. it's really frustrating for us double degree ppl to not even be considered for them because we are not in our penultimate year.
I want to do Juris Doctor, but I can't be bothered with so many extra years :(. Although I would consider TAFE :)
they go by pretty quickly...
does anyone know how competitive it is to get into JD?
the typical proxy measure for that is last year's median LSAT score and median GPA
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So many terms to remember. :S
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
I guess you need the top marks and everything... Apparently, you need to start over to do law at Monash if you come from any other uni. XD
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
I guess you need the top marks and everything... Apparently, you need to start over to do law at Monash if you come from any other uni. XD
Nina looked at the subs at the law in deakin which im going too and she said the subs are quite similar. she thinks i would have a good chance at transfereing if i keep the scores up and i might not have to repeat :)
woot woot! <(^.^,)>
apparently VU you have too :(
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
I guess you need the top marks and everything... Apparently, you need to start over to do law at Monash if you come from any other uni. XD
Nina looked at the subs at the law in deakin which im going too and she said the subs are quite similar. she thinks i would have a good chance at transfereing if i keep the scores up and i might not have to repeat :)
woot woot! <(^.^,)>
apparently VU you have too :(
Unfortunately so... :(... But hey, I would do anything to be a lawyer; repeating won't stop me!!! ;D
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
why would you they are both professional programs. if you did a LLB and then want further study then you would go on to the LLM
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
I guess you need the top marks and everything... Apparently, you need to start over to do law at Monash if you come from any other uni. XD
Nina looked at the subs at the law in deakin which im going too and she said the subs are quite similar. she thinks i would have a good chance at transfereing if i keep the scores up and i might not have to repeat :)
woot woot! <(^.^,)>
apparently VU you have too :(
Unfortunately so... :(... But hey, I would do anything to be a lawyer; repeating won't stop me!!! ;D
LOOOOL me too. even if that means moving to warnambool!!!!
im just afraid that people might think of me as not as smart... reason behind is the ENTER required for LAW at deakin warnambool :(
so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
why would you they are both professional programs. if you did a LLB and then want further study then you would go on to the LLM
im not exactly sure what you mean there sorry :( whats LLM? :-[
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
I guess you need the top marks and everything... Apparently, you need to start over to do law at Monash if you come from any other uni. XD
Nina looked at the subs at the law in deakin which im going too and she said the subs are quite similar. she thinks i would have a good chance at transfereing if i keep the scores up and i might not have to repeat :)
woot woot! <(^.^,)>
apparently VU you have too :(
Unfortunately so... :(... But hey, I would do anything to be a lawyer; repeating won't stop me!!! ;D
LOOOOL me too. even if that means moving to warnambool!!!!
im just afraid that people might think of me as not as smart... reason behind is the ENTER required for LAW at deakin warnambool :(
I didn't even get enough of an ENTER to do law. :P (But my school... [You've heard the rest :P])
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so since at deakin university theres a course called
bachelor of criminology/bachelor of laws...
if i get into bachelor of laws at deakin... can i do a transfere after 1 year to bachelor of criminology/bachelor of laws?
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so since at deakin university theres a course called
bachelor of criminology/bachelor of laws...
if i get into bachelor of laws at deakin... can i do a transfere after 1 year to bachelor of criminology/bachelor of laws?
I don't see why not? Of course, given that you get really good marks in the course, and transferring within the uni is easier than transferring from uni to uni; so it seems a well adjusted endeavour. :)
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so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
I guess you need the top marks and everything... Apparently, you need to start over to do law at Monash if you come from any other uni. XD
Nina looked at the subs at the law in deakin which im going too and she said the subs are quite similar. she thinks i would have a good chance at transfereing if i keep the scores up and i might not have to repeat :)
woot woot! <(^.^,)>
apparently VU you have too :(
Unfortunately so... :(... But hey, I would do anything to be a lawyer; repeating won't stop me!!! ;D
LOOOOL me too. even if that means moving to warnambool!!!!
im just afraid that people might think of me as not as smart... reason behind is the ENTER required for LAW at deakin warnambool :(
so im guessin if u do bachelor of law ... say at deakin u cant do JD at monash?
why would you they are both professional programs. if you did a LLB and then want further study then you would go on to the LLM
im not exactly sure what you mean there sorry :( whats LLM? :-[
LLM = Master of Laws
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so since at deakin university theres a course called
bachelor of criminology/bachelor of laws...
if i get into bachelor of laws at deakin... can i do a transfere after 1 year to bachelor of criminology/bachelor of laws?
I don't see why not? Of course, given that you get really good marks in the course, and transferring within the uni is easier than transferring from uni to uni; so it seems a well adjusted endeavour. :)
im just confused coz like... isant criminology units down first? then law units?
like if i transfere id have to do the criminology stuff... then yeah... what happens? lol
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Is LLM the highest accredited degree a law student can have?
@ Dusty: Now I'm confused. :S
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lol i meant isant crimimology units DONE first? :P i meant :)
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lol i meant isant crimimology units DONE first? :P i meant :)
I thought you could do them in conjunction with each other? ??? (I'm no help :()
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Im not entirely sure. but my prefs changed again >.< ....
but i should stop posting them up...
coz otherwise it will make me think again.
#3 went from watever it was to criminology at DEAKIN geelong. lol. either way im moving most likely.
so if i do criminology, i can also transfere into law. 70% WAM :D
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Im not entirely sure. but my prefs changed again >.< ....
but i should stop posting them up...
coz otherwise it will make me think again.
#3 went from watever it was to criminology at DEAKIN geelong. lol. either way im moving most likely.
so if i do criminology, i can also transfere into law. 70% WAM :D
Me like the 70% transfer rate. :) (Easy to achieve at VU... I hope :S)
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Is LLM the highest accredited degree a law student can have?
No. You can get a doctorate in Law.
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so, LLB/JD ---> LLM ---> Doctorate ..?
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yep.
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Is doctorate an extra year?
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It's several years extra. Different people take different amounts of time to do their doctorate. If you're doing it by thesis, the giant essay you write doesn't get 'graded' as such, but it needs to be of a certain level of quality to be accepted by the university. Usually the shortest amount of time you can do it in is about 3 years. But at the end you get a fancy title that looks nice on a business card (yay?)
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It's several years extra. Different people take different amounts of time to do their doctorate. If you're doing it by thesis, the giant essay you write doesn't get 'graded' as such, but it needs to be of a certain level of quality to be accepted by the university. Usually the shortest amount of time you can do it in is about 3 years. But at the end you get a fancy title that looks nice on a business card (yay?)
Ohh... So I'm guessing the extra 3 years is worth it? :)
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http://research.law.unimelb.edu.au/index.cfm?objectId=A9E8F677-1422-207C-BA4F70EC21E59B17
http://www.masters.law.unimelb.edu.au/go/courses-and-subjects/masters-degrees-2009
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It's several years extra. Different people take different amounts of time to do their doctorate. If you're doing it by thesis, the giant essay you write doesn't get 'graded' as such, but it needs to be of a certain level of quality to be accepted by the university. Usually the shortest amount of time you can do it in is about 3 years. But at the end you get a fancy title that looks nice on a business card (yay?)
Ohh... So I'm guessing the extra 3 years is worth it? :)
It really depends what you want to do. If you want to do research in law and/or be a lecturer in law, then this is a good path to take. If you want to work as a solicitor or barrister it is generally unecesary. If you want to specialise in something specific then Masters can be a good idea which is also quite impressive to prospective employers.
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It's several years extra. Different people take different amounts of time to do their doctorate. If you're doing it by thesis, the giant essay you write doesn't get 'graded' as such, but it needs to be of a certain level of quality to be accepted by the university. Usually the shortest amount of time you can do it in is about 3 years. But at the end you get a fancy title that looks nice on a business card (yay?)
Ohh... So I'm guessing the extra 3 years is worth it? :)
It really depends what you want to do. If you want to do research in law and/or be a lecturer in law, then this is a good path to take. If you want to work as a solicitor or barrister it is generally unecesary. If you want to specialise in something specific then Masters can be a good idea which is also quite impressive to prospective employers.
I'm thinking of ultimately being a barrister... So it's probably unnecessary for me to do the Doctorate. :)
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It's several years extra. Different people take different amounts of time to do their doctorate. If you're doing it by thesis, the giant essay you write doesn't get 'graded' as such, but it needs to be of a certain level of quality to be accepted by the university. Usually the shortest amount of time you can do it in is about 3 years. But at the end you get a fancy title that looks nice on a business card (yay?)
Ohh... So I'm guessing the extra 3 years is worth it? :)
It really depends what you want to do. If you want to do research in law and/or be a lecturer in law, then this is a good path to take. If you want to work as a solicitor or barrister it is generally unecesary. If you want to specialise in something specific then Masters can be a good idea which is also quite impressive to prospective employers.
I'm thinking of ultimately being a barrister... So it's probably unnecessary for me to do the Doctorate. :)
dont get ahead of yourself there :p
Well, going to start small and then make my way up. :)
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but doesnt JD stand for juris doctor...as in doctorate of law?
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but doesnt JD stand for juris doctor...
yes
as in doctorate of law?
no
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but doesnt JD stand for juris doctor...
yes
as in doctorate of law?
no
To clarify: doing the JD does NOT earn u the title of doctor.
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JD is the equivalent of the LLB, the only difference is you can't do have the JD as your first degree (in other words, it's the postgrad version of the LLB for people who didn't have law as their undergraduate degree). Hence, you don't get a nice title.
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JD is the equivalent of the LLB, the only difference is you can't do have the JD as your first degree (in other words, it's the postgrad version of the LLB for people who didn't have law as their undergraduate degree). Hence, you don't get a nice title.
how long does JD take?
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Melbourne uni's JD takes 3 years but you can accelerate it and do it in 2
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Old thread, but what sort of marks would you need in commerce at UoM to be accepted into their JD?
cheers bro
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Melbourne uni's JD takes 3 years but you can accelerate it and do it in 2
i wouldn't recommend that unless you already have a guaranteed job at the end.
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Melbourne uni's JD takes 3 years but you can accelerate it and do it in 2
i wouldn't recommend that unless you already have a guaranteed job at the end.
you wouldn't recommend speeding up the course? why?
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because you would probably take up your summer holidays which is normally used for clerkships
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To do a law degree in two years is crazy. You'd most likely be miserable the entire time.
Mmm... I think it's do-able 4 really hardcore ppl, but I agree with Brendan bout the work exp being preferable ova a fast-tracked degree.
Unless u've got something 2 go straight in2, it's not gonna do u much good 2 knock ova ur studies a year sooner if u're gonna have no work exp 2 help u get in2 the industry anywayz.