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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Health sciences => Topic started by: kenhung123 on April 03, 2010, 02:11:43 pm
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Do you think interviewers would be bias against fat people in interviews?
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yep
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Unfortunately, the answer is probably yes... it's a common prejudice... fat people are unfairly perceived as lazy and unmotivated.
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Probably.
I heard someone say this once: "If your doctor is fat then it means they don't care enough about their own health to care about yours" or something along those lines
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What about racist?
Could the interviewer be 'racist'..(interviewer must be a doctor - im guessing)
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I reckon they would be to some extent. I mean, quite a lot of Asians want to do medicine and they probably want to put some more whites in the course. Just my guess though.
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I reckon they would be to some extent. I mean, quite a lot of Asians want to do medicine and they probably want to put some more whites in the course. Just my guess though.
True...
I just hope theyre not!
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Fat asians adjust your VTAC preferences.
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LOL
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Fat asians adjust your VTAC preferences.
hahaha, you crack me up kendraaaa!
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Don't you think its a far leap just to assume all the white interviewers are racists who are conspiring to get white people into medicine?
*Maybe* just a little far fetched, no?
[Yeah about the whole caring about their health thing... would you want a dentist with bad teeth or a blind optometrist or something .. lol]
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I watched a docco on their doctor's throughout their med school from harvard, and one of the guys from harvard med school got in and was obese.. i don't think it really matters too much.
and i really doubt there is much racism, just because more asians work harder then non-asians and hence get into medicine, doesn't mean they want to start getting more non-asians. all they care about who would make a good doctor, who is motivated, knowledgeable, intelligent, etc. and not your physical appearance/background.
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Speaking of doctors, was doing a MedEntry Drill today, and this was one of the passages.
The following is an interaction between a junior doctor and his close friend, Potts, in a hospital.
Potts stood before me in the darkness of two A.M. in the intern room, and mirrored in his grey face was, as always, the Yellow Man (one of Potts' patients).
'What are you doing here at this hour?' I asked, but he didn't reply, he just stood there staring. Again I asked what was going on.
'The Yellow Man just died.'
I felt a chill. Potts looked white and chill, and his eyes looked dull and dead, and I said, 'I'm sorry. I mean, I'm really sorry.'
'Yeah,' said Potts, fidgeting as if he wasn't really in the same world with me any longer, 'yeah, well, he was going to die, it was just a matter of time.'
'Yeah, he was,' I said, and I thought about how much torment Potts had gone through every day that the Yellow Man had been alive. 'Are you all right?'
'Who, me? Oh, yeah, I am. It's just a little hard' said Potts, almost pleading with me that it was alright.
'It's OK. I know how you feel. Sit down and talk about it, eh?'
'No, I think I"ll just go upstairs and see him once more and then maybe take a walk.'
'Right, I"ll be down here if you change your mind.'
'Thanks. You know, I should have given him (Yellow Man) steroids.'
'Stop it. Nothing would have helped.'
As I watch him slip away down the corridor and disappear into the up elevator, I though of the fun we'd had. Pott's and I had taken Otis (Potts' dog) out for a run in the March chill, and we'd talk about the South. I'd thought it strange, that day, that Potts hadn't even mentioned his father's recent violent death.
I suddenly realized what was going to happen. Fool! I ran to the elevator and pounded on it, but it wasn"t moving, and I raced up the stairs to floor eight, and I kept cursing myself for not realizing it in time and praying that I had or that I was wrong.
I was not wrong. While I'd been cradled in our reminiscences, Potts had taken the elevator straight to floor eight, had opened a window, and thrown himself out to his death. From the window I saw the splattered mess on the parking lot below, and in between my panting for breath and shivering in the chill draft I heard the first siren squeal, and I leaned my forehead on the still, and I sobbed.
Obviously not real, but makes you realize all of the different situations you may be faced with as a doctor.
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if they do their job then its alright :D
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if they do their job then its alright :D
Not really. We're not capable of miracles. There are many patients that modern medicine, or the health care system itself just can't do anything for. I'm just about to start a half-year rotation with a palliative care service, and having been on a round with one in my rural week last year, it's definitely going to be an emotionally taxing experience. It's something you've got to be prepared for if you're interested in entering this course and profession I guess. As for the OP's question, I think the Monash cohort is pretty well represented. I doubt there was any discrimination there.
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so when you say doctors u refer to "doctors" or nurses and radiographers and surgeons and midwifes(oh yay pick me :D)
cause well iono what my point was...:/
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while we are on the topic for medicine, and i know this question is asked quite alot, but roughly what scores in UMAT, ENTER/ATAR do you honestly need to get an interview. Some say 99+ and an extremely high UMAT, but Monash (bonded, full fee, rural etc) take about 350 yr 12's each year, and I'm sure that not every kid over 99 would go for medicine?
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ENTER is pretty much negligible with a high UMAT. Anything above 90 for ENTER is fine as long as your UMAT is ~98ish perhaps. Interview is the main factor from my experience. I've got friends in with sub-90 ENTERs in Bonded, and one with 94 who got in first round. Really, just make sure your UMAT is over the borderline, and then nail your interview and you should be fine.
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Heres the basic run down as i see it ( i am no means correct, just a med hopeful.. probably not going to make it anyway but...).
So basically,
*First of all they look at your umat score... if its to low they chuck you in the bin and your out (I'm fairly sure there's some cut off).
*Second, They consider how well you did in the interview, because face it as a doctor you need to have at least half decent communication skills. (Im not 100 on this but if the umat is higher then average theres a tiny bit of leniency for your interview to be slightly lower and vice versa). So if your interview is crap, you're chucked out again. If it isnt your kept in the pile.
*Lastly, if they still need to cull the numbers they look at the enter. I've talked to people who are in med, the lowest enter one of them has heard of is 88 and he was a rural student so he gets some slack. I'd say bare bare minimum with fantastic everything else you'd need like 92-94 maybe if your doing some kind of bonded place...probably higher for regular. (Again leniency with a higher umat/ interview)
There are far more applicants than places, because the demand is so huge this is why everything needs to be so high.
Each stage in the process is basically looking for a way to cull more of the applicants untill they get down to a suitable number.
Also note the umat results and interview take place before the release of the enter ive heard.
So they dont look at your enter off the bat, the umat and interview comes first.
I reckon the umat is really the clincher cause it decided wether you even get to have an interview...
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so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny
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so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny
My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.
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Is it achieveable you reckon or is it pretty darn hard and up to luck because 93 sounds really high
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Is it achieveable you reckon or is it pretty darn hard and up to luck because 93 sounds really high
thats really hard O_O
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thats what she said.. kidding lol
yeah i knew it was high... but 93... i dont know anymore
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oh crap, better start studying now haha. also, how essential is biol?
i'm not doing it mostly because of the fact that our school doesn't really have much of a good history in doing well in it, but i hope that this won't crush my hopes
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so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny
My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.
considering that you are only really gonna get the best of the best doing that test, holy crap.
what did you get shinny?
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oh crap, better start studying now haha. also, how essential is biol?
i'm not doing it mostly because of the fact that our school doesn't really have much of a good history in doing well in it, but i hope that this won't crush my hopes
It's not even a pre-req. They couldn't really care less what you get in it.
Is it achieveable you reckon or is it pretty darn hard and up to luck because 93 sounds really high
thats really hard O_O
It's all relative really. Some people wing the UMAT and score 100. My friend who wasn't even trying at all to get into Med (was forced by Asian parents however), and wasn't particularly smart either, somehow scored himself 100 on the UMAT and got into Med easily.
so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny
My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.
considering that you are only really gonna get the best of the best doing that test, holy crap.
what did you get shinny?
98th percentile.
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I mean its not really a test of hard fact based knowledge so much... so its not really hard in that respect or in the respect that ive seen most tests so far to be hard.
I guess we (luken, simon and me) have to remind ourselves its not a test like that, its more general aptitude test
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Speaking of doctors, was doing a MedEntry Drill today, and this was one of the passages.
The following is an interaction between a junior doctor and his close friend, Potts, in a hospital.
Potts stood before me in the darkness of two A.M. in the intern room, and mirrored in his grey face was, as always, the Yellow Man (one of Potts' patients).
'What are you doing here at this hour?' I asked, but he didn't reply, he just stood there staring. Again I asked what was going on.
'The Yellow Man just died.'
I felt a chill. Potts looked white and chill, and his eyes looked dull and dead, and I said, 'I'm sorry. I mean, I'm really sorry.'
'Yeah,' said Potts, fidgeting as if he wasn't really in the same world with me any longer, 'yeah, well, he was going to die, it was just a matter of time.'
'Yeah, he was,' I said, and I thought about how much torment Potts had gone through every day that the Yellow Man had been alive. 'Are you all right?'
'Who, me? Oh, yeah, I am. It's just a little hard' said Potts, almost pleading with me that it was alright.
'It's OK. I know how you feel. Sit down and talk about it, eh?'
'No, I think I"ll just go upstairs and see him once more and then maybe take a walk.'
'Right, I"ll be down here if you change your mind.'
'Thanks. You know, I should have given him (Yellow Man) steroids.'
'Stop it. Nothing would have helped.'
As I watch him slip away down the corridor and disappear into the up elevator, I though of the fun we'd had. Pott's and I had taken Otis (Potts' dog) out for a run in the March chill, and we'd talk about the South. I'd thought it strange, that day, that Potts hadn't even mentioned his father's recent violent death.
I suddenly realized what was going to happen. Fool! I ran to the elevator and pounded on it, but it wasn"t moving, and I raced up the stairs to floor eight, and I kept cursing myself for not realizing it in time and praying that I had or that I was wrong.
I was not wrong. While I'd been cradled in our reminiscences, Potts had taken the elevator straight to floor eight, had opened a window, and thrown himself out to his death. From the window I saw the splattered mess on the parking lot below, and in between my panting for breath and shivering in the chill draft I heard the first siren squeal, and I leaned my forehead on the still, and I sobbed.
Obviously not real, but makes you realize all of the different situations you may be faced with as a doctor.
I'm interested in what the questions were for this passage, would you be able to name what they were? If it's going too off topic you can message me :P
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I mean its not really a test of hard fact based knowledge so much... so its not really hard in that respect or in the respect that ive seen most tests so far to be hard.
I guess we (luken, simon and me) have to remind ourselves its not a test like that, its more general aptitude test
haha, id be too scared to 'wing' it though :(
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Omg 93rd percentile for the UMAT?! I really better start studying if I want to get into Pharmacy... :S
Sigh.
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I wouldn't wing it either I'm still going to do med-entry (once my friends get their stuff together and sign up with me -_-... they better hurry up).
I mean there's not really a great deal of study you can be tested on exactly.
Its not like they have more knowledge than you or hit the books harder.
I hope you guys get the point im trying to make.
Anyway best of luck to everyone here.
Hope to see all of you aiming for medicine at monash (if thats were we're all going) and shout outs to all our pharmacy and dentistry friends too :D
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I wouldnt wing it either im still going to do medentry (once my friends get their stuff together and sign up with me -_-... they better hurry up) but i mean theres not really a great deal of study you can be tested on exactly..so its not like they know more than you or studied harder...i hope you get the point im trying to make ..anyway best of luck to everyone here...hopefully we all see each other at monash *touch wood*
haha but i'll be a year behind you, oh well see you around haha
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Oh, haha im so blind, didnt notice the sig, still best of luck man!
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so around what UMAT socre is over the borderline...
thanks shinny
My year was 93rd percentile. This dropped last year by a point or two IIRC.
do u know roughly around what actual scores this equates to? (out of whatever score it is) im thinking of doing the umat, but there may not be any point wasting money if i completely fail at the first section. (decent at the other 2 sections tho)
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i don't know, but i think if you can get 75% of questions right then your home and hosed...
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i don't know, but i think if you can get 75% of questions right then your home and hosed...
i can only get 60% for the first section and this is without any time constraints - wouldve run out of time half way :(
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if u get 60% for s1 and 85+ for s2 & s3 u can still make it. u dont find many people that are good at all 3 sections.
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^ very true what superflya says. i'm hedging my bets on s2 and s3. i plain stink at s1, especially that problem solving shit. data interpretation can be a pain as well, but if i actually get through probability in methods in time for umat, i might have a better chance at answering those questions where you either have to multiply values or divide values or add values off of a graph to get the right answer.
it can get so confusing, especially when your rushing!
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I think section 3 holds the most chance for improvment. If you do those problems over and over and over youll be able to see one and do it straight away.
I believe it would be harder to improve your intution or reasoning or people skills...
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i especiallly hate the ones where u have to juggle a million bits of information in your head from a paragraph and link them together then interpret.
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I think section 3 holds the most chance for improvment. If you do those problems over and over and over youll be able to see one and do it straight away.
I believe it would be harder to improve your intution or reasoning or people skills...
That's what they told us at Med Entry. But I reckon section one is the hardest to improve. Some of those questions are insane. At least with people skills you can try and put yourself in others shoes, and it's kinda important for being a doctor. Other two sections are rather pointless.
Section 3 is definitely the easiest to improve though, you're 100% correct.
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I will become a fat doctor
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I always have trouble with Section 1 too, and Sections 2 and 3 are usually fine :]
I will become a fat doctor
Aren't you already a fat doctor? ;P
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How would you know 0.o It's not like you've had an appointment with me yet?
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I actually have an appointment with you tmr.
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Aren't you already a fat doctor? ;P
So nice lol
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Aren't you already a fat doctor? ;P
So nice lol
He'll make a very nice interviewer =)
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Aren't you already a fat doctor? ;P
So nice lol
He'll make a very nice interviewer =)
LOL, yes. Yes I would. Make it a little interesting.
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I always have trouble with Section 1 too, and Sections 2 and 3 are usually fine :]I will become a fat doctor
Aren't you already a fat doctor? ;P
Can I sue you for defamation?
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Ooh legal reference. I'll have my people get back to your people :P
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I don't think you want to pick a fight with me, you'll just end up miserable and bloody.
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For me, 98 percentile was made by S1: ~95 percentile, S2: ~60 something percentile (lawl), S3: ~100 percentile. Not sure about raw scores, but my raw score would have been like 70% at most considering I guessed the last 10 questions or so, and struggled with most of them. Everyone will feel like they got raped by the UMAT, but that's the point; no one will do well on the UMAT, so really, you're just aiming to get less raped than everyone else. Keep this in mind.
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I'm confused... who will make a very nice interviewer?
UMAT rape hey... i think i have a solution...http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/antirape-condom-unveiled/2005/09/01/1125302668132.html
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For me, 98 percentile was made by S1: ~95 percentile, S2: ~60 something percentile (lawl), S3: ~100 percentile. Not sure about raw scores, but my raw score would have been like 70% at most considering I guessed the last 10 questions or so, and struggled with most of them. Everyone will feel like they got raped by the UMAT, but that's the point; no one will do well on the UMAT, so really, you're just aiming to get less raped than everyone else. Keep this in mind.
Lol, i love that. shinny's umat adive: everyone's gonna get raped, so just try to get the least raped. :P
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I don't think you want to pick a fight with me, you'll just end up miserable and bloody.
I don't think you want to assume so, you'll just end up paranoid and lonely.
I'm confused... who will make a very nice interviewer?
UMAT rape hey... i think i have a solution...http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/antirape-condom-unveiled/2005/09/01/1125302668132.html
LOLOL
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It has teeth :'(
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Ummm...this anti-rape condom, where it says that it can only be removed by surgery and will inform police. I can see a very big flaw with this 0.o What if a woman hates a man, so she seduces him, gets the anti-rape condom latched onto him, and frame him for a crime he didn't commit.
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Or that cold selfish bastard brought her a gucci handbag instead of the prada and she wanted revenge
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Why would someone even have that anti-rape condom put in. Wouldn't they have to know that they're at risk of rape or something. But the idea is pretty funny LOL.
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You sadist
Getting your willy shredding isnt funny!
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Actually...this might be essential prisoner of war gear
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Prisoner of any kind... you could just use the excuse david chappelle made up.. funny guy
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LOL I only read the beginning of that link. I didn't realise any shredding was going to happen.
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Shredded to pieces. With no possibility of erotic pleasure what reason is there for a man to live?
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Oh, you've made your point there. There wouldn't be a point.
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It started off about prejudice towards fat med hopefuls, then to people crapping their dacks about getting 93+ percentile in UMAT, now to anti rape condoms.
What a thread
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This thread is on the verge going to the sinbin.