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VCE Stuff => Victorian Technical Score Discussion => Topic started by: chickenpop on April 15, 2010, 06:46:59 pm
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We got our English Sacs back today and everyone in my class performed poorly compared to other classes (Heaps of A+ and As in the other classes, only 2 As in mine, the majority got Cs and Ds) Naturally, we were upset by this and asked our teacher what happened. She told us that it was because the other teachers standardized our SACs down during cross marking, and even though she thought we did well, there wasn't much she could do cause she was outnumbered :P
However, she said to not worry, because VCAA uses the GAT to help standardize English classes within all schools. This was the only subject to do this, and it's because the subject is so subjective and the people at VCAA want to make it fairer. Furthermore, while other subjects rank students for the entire school based on the Sac and go into the exam as an entire school cohort, English is unique as we go into the exam as a class cohort. (for people who don't know, how well your cohort performs determines whether VCAA thinks your Sacs were too easy or hard and adjusts appropriately)
I can't figure out if she's actually telling the truth or just trying to make us feel better and not lose confidence, anybody know?
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ehh wouldnt rely too much on the gat.
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0.o I have never heard of that before
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I've heard that the GAT is used more than people realise, but I don't have a clue if that's true or not.
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I've heard that the GAT is used more than people realise, but I don' have a clue if that's true or not.
yeah my maths coordinator said yesterday "The GAT is actually very important for your SACs"
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0.o Are you serious? I got 39 for Maths/Science in GAT section last year and I pretty much screwed up my SACs as well.
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I would have no idea- and I don't think you would be considered as only a class cohort, most likely the entire school cohort.
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Well kyzoo if you had been hit by a car on your way to the exam, you wouldn't have gotten your 48 eh?
;D
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Well kyzoo if you had been hit by a car on your way to the exam, you wouldn't have gotten your 48 eh?
;D
LOL and I J-walk everyday to school too ;p
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I doubt they give out a free 48 based on gat scores anyway.
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0.o Are you serious? I got 39 for Maths/Science in GAT section last year and I pretty much screwed up my SACs as well.
I think I got 38... I've never heard of the GAT majorly contributing to moderation. Or any of this jaz about class cohorts..
I doubt they give out a free 48 based on gat scores anyway.
If you'd gotten 50 in the relevant sections and 100 in SAC's I doubt they'd have a choice.
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I got 31 on the gat :). and I got 45 in humanities. I don't even take humanities, zzzzz.
Yea but what if there is someone in their cohort who got a 50 on the gat, and 100 SAC mark but only got 41 raw...
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I doubt they give out a free 48 based on gat scores anyway.
Actually, I had a friend who got 48 as a derived score. True story.
Anyway, I got 39 in the Written Communications GAT and 44 in the Maths/Science one (ahead of Kyzoo...). Take that as you will.
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lol I got <20 for maths, so it can't have too major an impact.
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lol I got <20 for maths, so it can't have too major an impact.
Lol how did that happen! You have such awesome maths scores... 46 for both spesh and methods! Wow!
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lol I got <20 for maths, so it can't have too major an impact.
Lol how did that happen! You have such awesome maths scores... 46 for both spesh and methods! Wow!
It could be that he didn't even try in the GAT?
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He probably wrote about George Clooney. On another note: What happened to the kids that wrote about G.Clooney? Where they penalised? Did they get very low scores? How about the people that dedicated their entire GAT to Clooney?
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He probably wrote about George Clooney. On another note: What happened to the kids that wrote about G.Clooney? Where they penalised? Did they get very low scores? How about the people that dedicated their entire GAT to Clooney?
As long as the Clooney references were worked in well (like in the essay about possessions bringing happiness) then you didn't get penalised for it, but if it was just random, then it did lower your score.
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lol I got <20 for maths, so it can't have too major an impact.
Lol how did that happen! You have such awesome maths scores... 46 for both spesh and methods! Wow!
It could be that he didn't even try in the GAT?
But if he was good at maths and came across those questions he could have thought of them as piss easy and got the right answer- unless he didnt even look at the actual questions and put in any answer :P
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Sorry akira88, but I didnt try in the GAT, I was pissed off after chem exam, I was sick and I just couldn't be bothered sitting there for 3 hours, slept in by accident, turned up an hour late, didnt read MC (just circled randomly), and then wrote a few pages of absolute crap. (raw scores: <20, <20 and 21) @Twenty10 A lot of people I know did include george clooney, and even those who got >40 in english and mentioned him just once (but incorporated it well) had written GAT scores, in some instances, 12 lower than their english score.
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I had 50 for humanities, 49 for written expression and 44 for maths/science.
Either my talents oppose what I previously thought or my GAT doesn't say much.
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IMO, GAT = ridiculous and pointless waste of time.
It counts for jack shit unless you apply for a derived score.
I was at a pretty crappy TAFE last year, and got 39 on Maths/Science in the GAT. It didn't effect my score at all. The two marks I lost on exams were what hurt me.
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I did apply for a derived score. It was approved but wasn't used :P
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Wait what? if you kill the GAT and do shit on the exam(s) you can ask for a derived score?
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No... I had really bad circumstances around my midyear exams and had my derived score approved by VCAA. It turned out that I didn't need it because my physics midyear result was good enough anyway...
Though I'm not sure how GAT scores can be effective for derived midyears. After all, they're at the same time as midyears themselves...
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ohh ok lol, fair enough.
Thanks.
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Though I'm not sure how GAT scores can be effective for derived midyears. After all, they're at the same time as midyears themselves...
The GAT's only one small part in the calculation of a DES. That's why you don't actually see your DES (assuming it's higher than your actual exam score) until later in the year when they have access to all your SAC marks and second exam score.
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If 'they' can derive a score accurately from the GAT, then why dont we all just sit the GAT. Unis could pick us depending on what we got on the GAT or at least on certain sections of the GAT?
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I got like 42 in Written Comm and then some terrible score in Maths/Science.
Like 32 or something.
Yep!
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how well your cohort performs determines whether VCAA thinks your Sacs were too easy or hard and adjusts appropriately
does this mean, in a good school, people generally do poorly so the SACs get scaled up while in an average school, there's a higher chances of the SACs getting scaled down...?
Then again, if you're in a good school, but you're just an average student, making you rank just slightly below average, would you still get a higher scaled SS then a good student from an average school (since their SACs get scaled down) - speaking only based on SACs...?
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the gat has no effect what so ever unless you apply for a derived score or there is a huge difference between your average sac mark and exam mark.
apart from that its all scare tactics used by teachers to try and make you try in the GAT.
Just read that official handout thing from VCAA titled 'exam navigator' or something.
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Actually, I had a friend who got 48 as a derived score. True story.
yeah our school had a 50 derived for methods last year (she did sit the exam but she didn't have a bound reference as it was unfairly taken off her, if it makes a difference)
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How do they figure the derived score? I personally don't believe anybody in my school could get a derived of 40+. Based on the cohort and all, if that affects it anyhow.