ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Faculties => Law => Topic started by: tram on April 24, 2010, 05:29:59 pm
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Hey
I wanted to do a double degree at Maquarie university, Bachelor of Actuarial studies and Bachelor of law. I'm attracted to Maquarie uni mainly becuase of it's actuarial studies degree, it has quite a reputation in that department. However, i'm not sure how good their law degree is.
Can anyone shed a little light on this?
Thanks:)
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In anwser to my own question, the site to look at for law rankings (and other general rankings) is:
http://www.australian-universities.com/ratings/law-school-rankings/
Credit goes to EZ for that link:)
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Australian Business School Rankings
University of Melbourne (MELBOURNE) 1
University of New South Wales (UNSW) 2
University of Sydney (SYDNEY) 3
Australian National University (ANU) 4
Monash University (MONASH) 5
University of Queensland (QUEENSLAND) 6
University of Western Australia (UWA) 7
Macquarie University (MACQUARIE) 8
University of Adelaide (ADELAIDE) 9
University of Technology Sydney (UTS) 10
Queensland University of Technology (QUT) 11
Curtin University of Technology (CURTIN) 12
Australian Law School Rankings
University of Melbourne (MELBOURNE) 1
University of Sydney (SYDNEY) 2
Australian National University (ANU) 3
University of New South Wales (UNSW) 4
Monash University (MONASH) 5
University of Queensland (QUEENSLAND) 6
University of Western Australia (UWA) 7
University of Adelaide (ADELAIDE) 8
Macquarie University (MACQUARIE) 9
Griffith University (GRIFFITH) 10
Queensland University of Technology (QUT) 11
University of Technology Sydney (UTS) 12
Provided this information is accurate and up-to-date, let's go to Melbourne Uni, shall we?
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hey Macq still has the best act stud program i think
lol, we're just moving the act stud thread here aren't we azure?
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I think the rankings above might be from 2006... so they are probably outdated. Well, Macquarie has the oldest, longest and first established actuarial studies program in Australia so it must be pretty decent. I have no idea about law though.
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mmmm, but tbh, i don't think that the rankings have changed THAT much, i.e. i doubt that macq had moved into the top five for law.
Hmmmmm act stud(honours) with jd at melbs after equals a more recognised law degree which is also a JD not just LLB. BUT takes 7 year as opposed to 5. How much are those two year worth????
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mmmm, but tbh, i don't think that the rankings have changed THAT much, i.e. i doubt that macq had moved into the top five for law.
Hmmmmm act stud(honours) with jd at melbs after equals a more recognised law degree which is also a JD not just LLB. BUT takes 7 year as opposed to 5. How much are those two year worth????
Well, I guess you can get an extra JD and Hons at Melbourne in an extra 2 years, as well as convenience - but it just takes longer.
The Department of Actuarial Studies at Macquarie University has been recognised by the Institute of Actuaries of Australia as a Centre of Excellence in actuarial education. The Macquarie actuarial program has been running successfully for over 40 years and many Macquarie actuarial graduates hold senior positions in the financial services industry in Australia and overseas.
I dunno :(
Also, going off topic, but is it worth doing a Masters degree in Actuarial Science after an honours year?
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Just out of interest, what factors did they base that list on?
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What's the difference between Bachelor of Actuarial Studies with the Bachelor of Laws (http://www.acst.mq.edu.au/undergraduate_actuarial_studies/actuarial_degrees/bachelor_of_actuarial_studies_with_bachelor_of_laws) and Bachelor of Actuarial Studies with the degree Bachelor of Laws (http://www.arts.mq.edu.au/undergraduate_programs/degrees_by_name/bachelor_of_actuarial_studies_with_the_degree_of_bachelor_of_laws)?
The former takes 6 years and the latter takes 5 years...
It's so awesome that Macquarie offers double degrees with Actuarial studies - in Melbourne Uni you can't even do a double major with actuarial studies, only a diploma sometimes.
I really don't know which to choose either. I'm glad I have almost 3 years to go til uni!!
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If you're going to move north to do actuarial/law, I'd highly recommend ANU. It's ranked higher and has a lower ENTER requirement.
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If you're going to move north to do actuarial/law, I'd highly recommend ANU. It's ranked higher and has a lower ENTER requirement.
I've already got a tough decision between two universities, I don't need a third one to choose from :S
Anyway, I've heard ANU is pretty decent too, how long does it take to do a double degree with actuarial/law and does this exempt you from part II from the professional IAA exams? Also, how much do the residential colleges cost per week on average?
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Just out of interest, what factors did they base that list on?
lol, no idea, but it sounds about correct right?? At least for the purposes of comparing UoM and Macq
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http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4443XBACTS;overview.html
see also
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/3401XBACTS;overview.html
It doesn't exempt you from part II unless you do honours... Though few people do honours in Actuarial.
Residential colleges vary: $160-300 self-catered, $250-300 catered.
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http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4443XBACTS;overview.html
see also
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/3401XBACTS;overview.html
It doesn't exempt you from part II unless you do honours... Though few people do honours in Actuarial.
Residential colleges vary: $160-300 self-catered, $250-300 catered.
Wow, that's so cheap! I was expecting more like $500 catered. But it sucks how you don't get exempted for doing a double degree at ANU :(
I'm thinking Melbourne for single degree and hopefully honours year or Macquarie for double degree. Hmm
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lol, we reli did just move the actuarial studies thread here:)
and hmmmmm, i think my choice is still between Mcaq and UoM......soz humph.....the exemption from part 2 as well in the same time will make it a lot easier then again......the colleges are a bit cheaper............
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How many parts of the IAA exams are there altogether? 3?
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Yup, part three takes a minimun of one year to do. Shortest time you can get fully accredited in is 5 years
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Yup, part three takes a minimun of one year to do. Shortest time you can get fully accredited in is 5 years
How do you do part III? Study for it yourself? We can't get exemptions for that do we (don't we all just love exemptions)?
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lol, yea thats correct. You have to study for it by youself. You do it when you're working already so i suppose there's help around if you need it.
I wonder if you could just study by youself completely can just pass all three parts by youself in like three years...............
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http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4443XBACTS;overview.html
see also
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/3401XBACTS;overview.html
It doesn't exempt you from part II unless you do honours... Though few people do honours in Actuarial.
Residential colleges vary: $160-300 self-catered, $250-300 catered.
Wow, that's so cheap! I was expecting more like $500 catered. But it sucks how you don't get exempted for doing a double degree at ANU :(
I'm thinking Melbourne for single degree and hopefully honours year or Macquarie for double degree. Hmm
? Just because you do a double degree doesn't mean you can't do honours as well. It just adds an extra year to your degree. It's exactly the same as at Macquarie and at UMelb - the only way you can be exempt from part II in any of those is to do honours.
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hmmmm yea tru, but at melb it's only one year longer, and you come out with a JD. However, it means you don't get a straigh place, you have to wait till after ur bachelor. However, that also mean you get time to decide if you reli do wanna do law or just act stud.
There's not just two sides to the decision, there's like hundreds.......so hard to decide:(
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http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4443XBACTS;overview.html
see also
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/3401XBACTS;overview.html
It doesn't exempt you from part II unless you do honours... Though few people do honours in Actuarial.
Residential colleges vary: $160-300 self-catered, $250-300 catered.
Wow, that's so cheap! I was expecting more like $500 catered. But it sucks how you don't get exempted for doing a double degree at ANU :(
I'm thinking Melbourne for single degree and hopefully honours year or Macquarie for double degree. Hmm
? Just because you do a double degree doesn't mean you can't do honours as well. It just adds an extra year to your degree. It's exactly the same as at Macquarie and at UMelb - the only way you can be exempt from part II in any of those is to do honours.
Yeah, but Macquarie is the only uni in Australia where you can get exemption from Part II without honours, by doing a double degree instead.
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http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4443XBACTS;overview.html
see also
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/3401XBACTS;overview.html
It doesn't exempt you from part II unless you do honours... Though few people do honours in Actuarial.
Residential colleges vary: $160-300 self-catered, $250-300 catered.
Wow, that's so cheap! I was expecting more like $500 catered. But it sucks how you don't get exempted for doing a double degree at ANU :(
I'm thinking Melbourne for single degree and hopefully honours year or Macquarie for double degree. Hmm
? Just because you do a double degree doesn't mean you can't do honours as well. It just adds an extra year to your degree. It's exactly the same as at Macquarie and at UMelb - the only way you can be exempt from part II in any of those is to do honours.
Yeah, but Macquarie is the only uni in Australia where you can get exemption from Part II without honours, by doing a double degree instead.
... and it takes 6 years, which is the same as doing a double degree then honours at ANU.
Doesn't only take a year to do Part II outside of uni anyway?
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http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4443XBACTS;overview.html
see also
http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/3401XBACTS;overview.html
It doesn't exempt you from part II unless you do honours... Though few people do honours in Actuarial.
Residential colleges vary: $160-300 self-catered, $250-300 catered.
Wow, that's so cheap! I was expecting more like $500 catered. But it sucks how you don't get exempted for doing a double degree at ANU :(
I'm thinking Melbourne for single degree and hopefully honours year or Macquarie for double degree. Hmm
? Just because you do a double degree doesn't mean you can't do honours as well. It just adds an extra year to your degree. It's exactly the same as at Macquarie and at UMelb - the only way you can be exempt from part II in any of those is to do honours.
Yeah, but Macquarie is the only uni in Australia where you can get exemption from Part II without honours, by doing a double degree instead.
... and it takes 6 years, which is the same as doing a double degree then honours at ANU.
Doesn't only take a year to do Part II outside of uni anyway?
I have no idea. For a double degree that is not law in Macquarie, it only takes 4 years, and with an extra honours year, 5 years. I'm pretty much going to stay in Melb Uni though... just more convenient, and I can try and do an apprenticeship/cadetship with Deloitte, PwC, or E&Y at the same time :)
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^exactly the same for me. Thinking about it, two year isn't that big of an ask seeing as we're probs gonna be doing it for a long time to come anyway. I'm planning to do a diploma of music anyway, and melbourne is the ony place i can do that during my bachelor and not add and extra year but the biggest factor is convinience. I reli don't wanna have to think about this anymore. I wanna do act stud, i wanna do it at melbs. All this constant reconciddering is just wasting my time i should be useing to get into these uni in the first place.
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LOL okay, I'll probably go with Melb too. :) Good luck with the rest of your VCE, you look set for 99.95 :D Did great in 2009.
You have exactly the same subjects as me but I have biology, and maybe physics on top.
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pfft, i WISH for 99.95. I like maths but thats it. I can bear chem and throughly dislike english:( Unfortunately eng has a great bearing on ur atar:(
But yea. going right now and doing some hardcore uni maths:) omg......complex numbers=AMAZINGGGGGG
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pfft, i WISH for 99.95. I like maths but thats it. I can bear chem and throughly dislike english:( Unfortunately eng has a great bearing on ur atar:( But yea. going right now and doing some hardcore uni maths:) omg......complex numbers=AMAZINGGGGGG
Sounds like you do really dream of maths now :) Lol
What made you choose english over english language? I have the same dilemma but I am leaning towards english language because it is more analytical, textbook stuff. I'm in english extension right now, and we are, however, doing more an analysis of the ideas that texts bring etc... which would be more relevant to english.
Which theme are you doing: Encountering Conflict, Identity and Belonging, Whose Reality, or the Imaginative Landscape?
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1) Thread has gone reli off topic
2)yea....maths is awesome, not sure if i'm at the dreaming stage yet tho............ doing vectors now in umep. Almost as good as complex numbers
3) I just didn't chose eng lang as a 1/2. Now i'm kinda regretting it. My opinion of eng varies a lot. I reli hate lang analysis, text can be ok, bit i actually don't mind doing is context. i'm doing identity and belonging, tbh, context can be pretty interesting, you get to think a lot. And as long as it's not creative writing i'm fine with context........however, our next eng sac is a crative piece for context:(