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VCE Stuff => Victorian Technical Score Discussion => Topic started by: 99.95 on May 14, 2010, 04:51:05 pm
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a teacher hates you, but you do very well on the exams. will VCAA boost up your SS, or will you just get the n-th ranking SAC mark the teacher gave u?
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Your study score isn't solely determined by your SACs. If you have an average SAC ranking and ace the exam, you will still get a good study score.
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Your study score isn't solely determined by your SACs. If you have an average SAC ranking and ace the exam, you will still get a good study score.
i know it isnt purely determined by SACS... but say a teacher hates you but you ace your exam. you could have got 45 but instead u get 40 because the teacher hates you and gave u a shit ranking
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I wonder this too...Does the moderation take in account those factors or basically they keep your rank, for your SACs, the low score remains and a high examination mark is used to determine the SS? (assuming the person is high achieving, performing very well on exams)
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I doubt that your study score will differ that much. Even if your teacher hates you, there are limited grounds in which she can be biased. For maths/science, a right answer is a right answer. Yes, she may take marks off for the most trivial "errors", but this won't affect your mark all that much, and would definitely not result in your study score dropping from 45 to 40 (hypothetically). In English, though it is somewhat more subjective than other subjects, there is a distinction between a good essay and a bad essay, and the teacher can't disciminate against you all that much (e.g. giving a clear 10/10 essay a 6/10 or something).
Overall, just do your best in your SACs and exams. If you have the potential, these influences won't, ultimately, be able to tie you down.
Also, on another note, rankings are relatively trivial. As attested in many cases throughout this forum, some students that aren't in the 1st and 2nd SAC rankings in their school still can get really, really, really good study scores.
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I wonder this too...Does the moderation take in account those factors or basically they keep your rank, for your SACs, the low score remains and a high examination mark is used to determine the SS? (assuming the person is high achieving, performing very well on exams)
I wouldn't think so. Moderation is, I think, purely based on the cohort, and doesn't consider such individual issues. The VCE having SACs in the first place is quite controversial. Some students are allowed to take home their SACs and do them, while others must do them in exam pressure. Some high-achieving students are disadvantaged to some extent with all this moderation business.
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You could tell this to your principal or co-ordinators and they can have your SAC's remarked by a different teacher of the same subject too.
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Why do so many people feel as though their teacher has a vendetta against them?
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Why do so many people feel as though their teacher has a vendetta against them?
Just another scapegoat :)
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What if my school has 2 or more english teachers and one of them corrects very easily(giving crap students an A+ even if they dont deserve this) and one is harsh. Will this affect the SACS or exams or study scores?
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What if my school has 2 or more english teachers and one of them corrects very easily(giving crap students an A+ even if they dont deserve this) and one is harsh. Will this affect the SACS or exams or study scores?
If they don't cross mark, you should change to the class that gets A+s easily :)
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What if my school has 2 or more english teachers and one of them corrects very easily(giving crap students an A+ even if they dont deserve this) and one is harsh. Will this affect the SACS or exams or study scores?
Yes, no, yes. Moderation only works when marking is uniform across the cohort.
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If your school doesn't cross mark what can be done about it? I know my English teacher doesn't do it. God I hate her.
Can they get in shit from VCAA?
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I planned for this back in year 7. Year's 7-11 were spent sucking up to teachers and getting on their good sides ;D
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If your school doesn't cross mark what can be done about it? I know my English teacher doesn't do it. God I hate her.
Can they get in shit from VCAA?
I don't think much, if anything, can be done about it. Last year all of our 100+ SACs were first looked over by our teachers, then graded by an external marker, but obviously not every school is going to go to that extent to ensure fairness.
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Well I know SAC marks definitely matter. The common presumption that SACs 'don't matter' is foolish. I know this from my own results.
For example, my Unit 3 SAC score for English was pretty low. I'm talking about 60% or 65%. My Unit 4 SAC mark was around 91%. I ended up with 43. Another girl who had the same exam mark as me (51/60) but a higher SAC ranking ended up with 45. So you can do well on the exam but have a lower SAC ranking, it will tend to affect you overall.
Conversely, I had 100% on SACs for Further, with a loss of 3 marks on exam 2 and none on exam 1. I got 49, and was surprised at this because I thought a loss of 3 marks would cost you a lot more than 1 study score point. I think this is where your SACs come into play.
Methods - SACs were 97, exams - a loss of 2.5 marks overall to get 49. I know another person to lose 5 marks overall on exams to get 48 with 100% on SACs.
So yes I think SACs can affect your score. I understand where you're coming from; one of my teachers hated me too, really thought it might affect my score but thankfully that teacher didn't mess up my SAC result...
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If your school doesn't cross mark what can be done about it? I know my English teacher doesn't do it. God I hate her.
Can they get in shit from VCAA?
I don't think much, if anything, can be done about it. Last year all of our 100+ SACs were first looked over by our teachers, then graded by an external marker, but obviously not every school is going to go to that extent to ensure fairness.
Yeah that's true. I don't think a lot of schools do that...
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Is it still possible to do well in a subject, say, methods, with low-ish SAC scores? And how low exactly can your SACs go for you to still be in the running for a high score?
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What do you mean by low - that can be quite subjective lol, I'd come out of SACs saying I failed but not really meaning that I got below 50% haha.
I think you can do quite well with reasonable SAC scores. I knew one girl who had an overall SAC mark of 90 at the end of the year (calculated by taking all of the SACs and doing the weighting, e.g. 9/10 for first SAC etc) so overall she lost 10 SAC marks. She however got 46 at the end of the year, which shows that she aced the exams. However another girl had 96 SAC marks but didn't finish the second exam/made mistakes and lost a fair few marks to get 42. So I think that doing well in everything is important, but don't feel too badly if you've lost a few marks in SACs, ace the exams and see what happens. How are your SAC results for Methods?
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If your school doesn't cross mark what can be done about it? I know my English teacher doesn't do it. God I hate her.
Can they get in shit from VCAA?
I don't think much, if anything, can be done about it. Last year all of our 100+ SACs were first looked over by our teachers, then graded by an external marker, but obviously not every school is going to go to that extent to ensure fairness.
Yeah that's true. I don't think a lot of schools do that...
My school is so fkd. They cross mark the Methods SAC's, which really don't need to be cross marked, but the English SAC's aren't....go figure. Where is the logic/fairness.
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My school has only one class for English(8 people lol) and the teacher pretty much hates me. I think he's going to screw everything up. I'm ranked 5th =| Where is the fairness!
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I agree that's pretty unfar for both of you. But if you're good at the subject anyway and absolutely ace the exams, the effect of biased marking might not be too great.
I also don't see the logic of cross marking Methods SACs and not English. That's not very helpful to students...
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Suck up to the max..
Why would your teacher hate you anyway xD.?
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English, like what most people said, is very subjective in terms of grading, and the fact that there's no distinct mark allocations means it becomes even more subjective when teachers rank students, despiting the fact that a large number of students may share similar writing standards. Your exams will be marked subjectively too, think about it, some examiners prefer certain colored pens to another, some examiners hate small handwriting and some hates double spacing, subjectivity is just like... the nature of this subject and due to the importance of English, I guess we just need to live with it.
From what I recall, SACs take up about 50% of your English SS. Although your cohort performance in the Exam can dominate whether your SAC component be scaled up or down, your ranks are still set. So, for English, SACs are indeed quite important comparing to other subjects' SACs, especially if you come from a weak cohort.
IMO, teachers can dislike certain students but when they allow this emotion to affect their markings too much and even attempt to hurt the students' self-esteem, he/she is simply unsuited to the job. For example, my ESL teacher ( A roughly 38 yr old boyfriendless fat women who said she hates everybody called James) would say "I can't stand Beijing Opera, its just the wieredest thing ever." in front of the whole class which included 10 Chinese students. How could somebody just discriminate another country's precious culture like that? I think she hated everybody in the class but sometimes she acts differently. One day she would ask me to go to the front to demonstrate an enthusiastic handshake with her to the class ( yeh.. a handshake -_- ) another day she would tell a girl to get a pass from the coordinator because of the extra shirt she wore underneath her uniform when the poor girl asked her to turn off the heater which was right infront of her. Once she even said she hates ambitious people who always try to go ahead of others, forgetting bout how she commented b4 on herself of being not ambitious enough at uni which caused her to teach now. And another teaher at our year level revealed to me that I got three 79s for my SACs, before that I was pissed till death because of the constant B+'s i was getting- we were only allowed to know our grades.. hmm so basically your teacher can do whatever she wants with your ranking/marks.
Guys, my one piece of advice being: Never ever argue with your teacher and you are free to bitch about him/her once year 12 finishes. =]