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Archived Discussion => 2010 => Mid-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Accounting => Topic started by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 08:34:19 pm

Title: operating activities section?
Post by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 08:34:19 pm
is this right:

operating activities

receipts from debtors      645000
sales                            290000
GST received on sales     29000            964000
payments to creditors     (340000)
purchases of stock         (280000)
wages                          (246000)
GST paid on purchase      (31000)
accrued wages               (2000)
prepaid advertising          (38000)
interest on loan               (1500)          (938500)
net operating cash flow                       25500

Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: Stormer on June 08, 2010, 08:35:22 pm
I didn't have that.

You forgot to minus the discount revenue for payments to creditors
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 08, 2010, 08:35:46 pm
is this right:

operating activities

receipts from debtors      645000
sales                            290000
GST received on sales     29000            964000
payments to creditors     (340000)
purchases of stock         (280000)
wages                          (246000)
GST paid on purchase      (31000)
accrued wages               (2000)
prepaid advertising          (38000)
interest on loan               (1500)          (938500)
net operating cash flow                       25500




weren't you meant to deduct discount revenue from creditors?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 08, 2010, 08:36:33 pm
i remember getting a net operating cash flow of 24 000 i think.
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: ks04 on June 08, 2010, 08:36:50 pm
I didn't have that.

You forgot to minus the discount revenue for payments to creditors
ahh poo! just realised i forgot to do that too!
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 08:36:57 pm
I didn't have that.

You forgot to minus the discount revenue for payments to creditors

oh crap.... what would i get out of 6?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: Stormer on June 08, 2010, 08:37:40 pm
5.
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: Chavi on June 08, 2010, 08:38:14 pm
-1 for the same mistake
I would've put interest expense as the title for interest
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 08:38:27 pm
5.

fewf..... u serious?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 08, 2010, 08:39:44 pm
-1 for the same mistake
I would've put interest expense as the title for interest

what if i just put loan-interest? is this right?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 08:40:45 pm
for this question the total cash received for the year is 645000+290000+29000+100000-3000= 1061000?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: Stormer on June 08, 2010, 08:41:15 pm
That's correct
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 08:44:13 pm
how bout this question the bussiness reported a net profit but also reported a net outflow of cash from operating activities.

I wrote: net cash flow and net profit are measuring two different things. Net cash flow is measuring the profit which occurs through cash transactions while net profit measures overall profit from both cash and non-cash transactions.

Example 1: receipts from debtors is greater than sales

Example 2: discount revenue and discount expense is excluded from calculating net cash flow

what would i get out of 4?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 08, 2010, 08:52:42 pm
I put under accrual accounting there is a difference between revenues earned and received and expenses paid and incurred. Cash and profit are therefore different resources.

Example 1: receipts from debtors less than credit sales
Example 2: GST paid exceeds GST received. Gst has no effect on profit.

wait, did the question ask how a firm can make a profit and suffer a negative bank balance or the other way around?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: ks04 on June 08, 2010, 09:54:37 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: Stormer on June 08, 2010, 09:55:32 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
No no no no. :(

It says operating cash flows. Neither of them are operating cash flows
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 08, 2010, 09:56:26 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
but it said operating activities.
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: ks04 on June 08, 2010, 09:57:40 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
No no no no. :(

It says operating cash flows. Neither of them are operating cash flows

Hmmm that would be annoying... it didn't specify cash, it just said operating activities... maybe... eh
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: 99.95 on June 08, 2010, 09:58:13 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
but it said operating activities.

isnt purchase of NCA put in investing activities and drawings put in financing?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: ks04 on June 08, 2010, 09:59:42 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
but it said operating activities.

isnt purchase of NCA put in investing activities and drawings put in financing?
yep... helps if I read the question properly. :\
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: Stormer on June 08, 2010, 10:00:01 pm
Example 1: Purchase of a NCA - Small effect of Expense, big effect on cash
Example 2: Drawings - effect cash, not net profit.
No no no no. :(

It says operating cash flows. Neither of them are operating cash flows

Hmmm that would be annoying... it didn't specify cash, it just said operating activities... maybe... eh
Either way they're not operating activities.
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: kakar0t on June 12, 2010, 01:20:29 pm
Credit sales > cash received
Accrued expenses

are these examples valid?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: mmmmm on June 12, 2010, 02:43:46 pm
What about prepaid exp > exp incurred?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: mojomojo on June 12, 2010, 03:55:21 pm
What about

Accrued Wages Paid - decreases cash but no effect on net profit
and
Stock Gain - increase net profit but has no effect on cash flows

?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 12, 2010, 09:28:40 pm
What about

Accrued Wages Paid - decreases cash but no effect on net profit
and
Stock Gain - increase net profit but has no effect on cash flows

?

pretty sure the first point is correct, don't know about the stock gain though... 
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: davyp3 on June 12, 2010, 10:04:25 pm
stock gain is not operating
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: LFTM on June 12, 2010, 10:37:33 pm
stock gain is not operating

yeah..stock gain is not a cash flow so they probably won't accept it.
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: z1m2v3 on June 12, 2010, 10:52:04 pm
how about: payments to creditors and cash purchases of stock is greater than cost of sales?
Title: Re: operating activities section?
Post by: kakar0t on June 12, 2010, 11:13:35 pm
yeah they should be fine, they are classed as operating