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VCE Stuff => VCE Mathematics => VCE Mathematics/Science/Technology => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Specialist Mathematics => Topic started by: kenhung123 on June 15, 2010, 05:41:36 pm
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Does spesh actually help methods in terms of the work you do on differentiation and integration beyond methods? (Assuming spesh goes beyond methods?)
Is it just the fact that you do the same work but earlier so methods is like a repeat? Or the advanced learning helps the work that is less in depth in methods?
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yeah it helps for sure, does some advanced stuff but still doesn't explore the basics - no vce maths explores the fundamental concepts.
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ofcourse
or if you do methods the year before spesh, it makes spesh a shit load easier
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Does it help because you simply learn the stuff in spesh first and then relearn in methods like revision?
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methods forms the foundations for the more advanced material in spesh, not all just some.
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From what I've done in Calculus 1 (a condensed version of Spec), it seems that prior knowledge of Methods, especially thorough knowledge, really helps with the subject. I found it quite okay but I didn't do all that stuff on Mechanics, Kinematics and Dynamics - that's not in Calculus 1.
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Apparently Legal studies is a good indicator too? It was in an old thread.
Yeah, I've heard that it really helps with spesh. Shame I didn't do it.
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Apparently Legal studies is a good indicator too? It was in an old thread.
Yeah, I've heard that it really helps with spesh. Shame I didn't do it.
LOL really? I was considering doing Legal 1/2 next year, but I'm probably going to go for eco 1/2, sounds fun :)
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I got an alright score for methods coz I picked up spesh in yr 12...my average methods score in year 11 was......40-50% and that was before I picked up spesh
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All the stuff that overlaps from spesh to methods (circular functions, calculus) we did in spesh before methods, it definitely helped a lot with methods, although I'd have preferred if we did it the other way around
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I got an alright score for methods coz I picked up spesh in yr 12...my average methods score in year 11 was......40-50% and that was before I picked up spesh
What did you end up getting mate?
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Apparently Legal studies is a good indicator too? It was in an old thread.
Yeah, I've heard that it really helps with spesh. Shame I didn't do it.
LOL really? I was considering doing Legal 1/2 next year, but I'm probably going to go for eco 1/2, sounds fun :)
OMFG
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Apparently Legal studies is a good indicator too? It was in an old thread.
Yeah, I've heard that it really helps with spesh. Shame I didn't do it.
o_o
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Apparently Legal studies is a good indicator too? It was in an old thread.
Yeah, I've heard that it really helps with spesh. Shame I didn't do it.
LOL really? I was considering doing Legal 1/2 next year, but I'm probably going to go for eco 1/2, sounds fun :)
nonono do legal, mirrors spesh ;)
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in more ways than you think! ;)
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Really, methods helps spesh!
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Guys I'm confused. How does Legal help spesh? This is a joke I presume :)
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Guys I'm confused. How does Legal help spesh? This is a joke I presume :)
joke? hell no. it's because of all the advanced integration and um... complex numbers that we do in legal, gives a massive boost for spesh :P
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:O wth legal and spes..... they are two completely different fields of study, I do legal and I've like tutored a couple of kids in spes and it doesn't correlate in the least! :|
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No way dude, you're approaching these subjects completely wrong if you can't see the correlation =\ ...
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Yeh, I actually did legal 1/2 in year 11 but dropped it for BM 3/4 in year 12. Didn't regret it though because it helped me in spesh a fair bit.
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Maybe... you're right! oh well let it be, I don't do spes so what the hell! :) btw you do UMEP Maths? wow? whereabouts? and what uni I got a friend that does it too!
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OMG I FEEL SO DISADVANTAGED NOT DOING LEGAL DAMN WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME EARLIER
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I did studio arts unit 2 in year eleven - my graphs were always spot on for all three maths subjects. Perfect representation of asymptotes and I could even do the dashes evenly spaced out. Additionally it helps with steadying your pen grip, yes pen for graphs that's how hardcore it made me.
That said I'd recommend Legal too. I did 1/2 in year ten along side methods 1/2 and I thought my analytical maths skills improved. Correlation? Yes.
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OKAY! you've convinced me people! LOL happy! good thing I'm taking legal, bad thing I'm not taking spesh..... :(
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I would argue that it's the other way around... spesh is invaluable to legal.
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well it depends with legal and spech. I did 1/2l last year, but dropped it this year bcs i wanted to only do three propper subjects in my case dropping legal HAS helped my spech. :P
but yea, lots of ppl are telling me i'm stupid for dropping legal....woud've just given me a real edge in thespech sacs
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GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!! IT'S DESIGN AND TECHNOLOGY UNITS 1-4 THAT'S THE SECRET TO HITTING 45+ IN SPEC!!!!
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I hear doing food technology helps a ton when approaching application style questions involving food in specialist. My older sister did this and she got 50 and 50 for both the subjects. Too bad I'm bad in the kitchenz.
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lol mention the classic legal/spech vn in joke is anwys one to find out who are the neophytes/ridiculusly gullible
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well my sister done international studies and she said it helped her with umm...... essay writing in spesh! LMAOOOO! anyone can make up crap! :P
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So basically, what we're collectively implying here is that the more VCE subjects, you do, the more likely you'll excel in Spech. :D
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hahahah absolutely! couldn't have said it any better! :) hahah
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hahahah absolutely! couldn't have said it any better! :) hahah
Well I'm doing nine 1/2s, six 3/4s and a UMEP subject so I think I'm ready to ace spech! :P
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So basically, what we're collectively implying here is that the more VCE subjects, you do, the more likely you'll excel in Spech. :D
not just ANY subject, it has to be either: legal, food tech, intenational studies, des tech, and a few SELECT others, it's not like we're just picking random subjects here :P
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So basically, what we're collectively implying here is that the more VCE subjects, you do, the more likely you'll excel in Spech. :D
not just ANY subject, it has to be either: legal, food tech, intenational studies, des tech, and a few SELECT others, it's not like we're just picking random subjects here :P
But that gives the implication that I'm going to fail spech!! And so are you unfortunately. (not doing any of the subjects listed above). Oh dear... :(
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hahaha good one Tram! :P............. and wow at Azureblue.... that's hectic shit right there! hahaha all the best man... hope you end up acing all of em :P
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This is riveting stuff, folks! Keep going! :)
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I've heard the best for spesh is probably business management, especially the management side of really bad proofs.
And the elegance of VCE dance is quite similar to the elegance of differential equations, from what I've been told.
believe the man, i too have heard this!
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LOLLLLL!
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I've heard the best for spesh is probably business management, especially the management side of really bad proofs.
And the elegance of VCE dance is quite similar to the elegance of differential equations, from what I've been told.
believe the man, i too have heard this!
Ditto :) It's common knowledge nowadays :D
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.......... omg I can't breathe BAHAHAHAHAHA yes... yes I am :P
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Shittt man :P you guys are identical hahaha
I recognised you from Deuce Bigalow.
Oh, good work in that movie by the way :).
+1 lulz
NB: lulz NOT karma
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omfg epic lol this legal+spesh relation has gotta be one of over9000's best trolls.
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LOLLLLLL! I swear you're a fkn crack-up Andrew! LOL
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http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,19349.0.html
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,23345.0.html
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lol ppl that were like.....no srlsy, how does legal correlate to spech are like *facepalm*
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what happened to over9000?
he seems epic
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LOLLLLL!
Holy shit! Abdi... are you Eddie Griffin?!!?
(http://www.freewebs.com/willywill3/EddieGriffin1.jpg)
fkn LOLOLOLLOLLOL
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I've heard the best for spesh is probably business management, especially the management side of really bad proofs.
And the elegance of VCE dance is quite similar to the elegance of differential equations, from what I've been told.
believe the man, i too have heard this!
Ditto :) It's common knowledge nowadays :D
I mean, without knowing this assumed knowledge, you cannot gain an S to begin with!
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what happened to over9000?
he seems epic
still lurking, doesnt troll much now.
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what happened to over9000?
he seems epic
still lurking, doesnt troll much now.
Tell him to get on COD, I wanna show him my newly refined skills.
As well as show him my K/D ratio :P.
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you know what, its probably because of people like us that people just MAY take up legal to help spec hahahahahahha
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I got an alright score for methods coz I picked up spesh in yr 12...my average methods score in year 11 was......40-50% and that was before I picked up spesh
What did you end up getting mate?
I got 41 methods 35 spesh.
a friend got 44 methods 38 spesh.
also. from my observation, those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
just my 2c :P
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
legal is been better dude, i did 3/4 legal in year 9, got a 32, scaled to 47!
really?! didn't notice it b4 in the scaling reports
anyway, good on you =)those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
like I said, its really a matter of observation :P
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
legal is been better dude, i did 3/4 legal in year 9, got a 32, scaled to 47!
ahh yeah, back in the day, legal scaling was awesome.
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
Nooo, don't say that...
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
Nooo, don't say that...
lol waddaya mean?
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
legal is been better dude, i did 3/4 legal in year 9, got a 32, scaled to 47!
Gosh, 47 for legal in year 9! :O :D
(On a sadder note, what a pity your effort's pretty much wasted)
Back in my Year 9 days, I was learning how to complete the square for quadratics :P
There are people in my year who still don't know how to do this. *sighs*
I don't learn anything in class. We seriously do nothing...
We spent 3.5 hours drawing modulus graphs the other week. 3.5 f**king hours!
It is not that hard:
|f(x)| means draw graph normal and reflect in x-axis
f(|x|)means draw graph normal and reflect in y-axis, once your graph touches it from the right.
Apply graph sketching rules for translations and/or reflections.
To find the hybrid function, just negative the function or the x's, and use the axes intercepts to find the domains. A year 9 could do it.
I get so frustrated at times regarding the amount of time we waste on nothing...
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
Nooo, don't say that...
lol waddaya mean?
I got 42 =\
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^dw, you will be fine. you are maths pro. :)
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those who finished methods in yr 11 and scored above 40 have a higher tendency to get 40+ for spesh in year 12
this a trend that is repeated in pretty much every school that allows you to take methods in yr 11. but i think it's probs more.....43+ in methods in yr 11 should get you 40+ in spech in yr 12
Nooo, don't say that...
lol waddaya mean?
I got 42 =\
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh......BUTTTTTT ur different cos you do MUEP maths which means ur wayyyy above the adverage spech student :)
*wipes forehead* got out of that one :P
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhh......BUTTTTTT ur different cos you do MUEP maths which means ur wayyyy above the adverage speSh student :)
*wipes forehead* got out of that one :)
Haha, lol. Just had to say it though :P
^dw, you will be fine. you are maths pro. :)
Thanks :)
There are people in my year who still don't know how to do this. *sighs*
I don't learn anything in class. We seriously do nothing...
We spent 3.5 hours drawing modulus graphs the other week. 3.5 f**king hours!
It is not that hard:
|f(x)| means draw graph normal and reflect in x-axis
f(|x|)means draw graph normal and reflect in y-axis, once your graph touches it from the right.
Apply graph sketching rules for translations and/or reflections.
To find the hybrid function, just negative the function or the x's, and use the axes intercepts to find the domains. A year 9 could do it.
I get so frustrated at times regarding the amount of time we waste on nothing...
I know, this is basically all of my classes =| Especially spesh, it's worse than methods was last year. Teacher just transcribes notes from maths quest to white board, expects us to copy them down, and then get started on the questions. And of course the questions stimulate much thought as is typical of MathsQuest. Honestly, it's pathetic..
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LOL I hate those teachers! What a waste of time. Copying the the textbook notes onto the board not even bothering to summarise it or add some stuff to it.