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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Monash University => Topic started by: 98.40_for_sure on July 06, 2010, 01:42:23 am
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im in year 12 this year and im gonna put down bachelor of science/bachelor of engineering @ monash as my 1st preference
is anyone doing this and can give me any information? im one of those people that are really unsure bout what they wanna do so this seems like the broadest option to me. engineering seems like a good idea to do because i can get the enter score required and i heard they get a decent pay (starting salary of 70k+? or something like that), probably chemical is the only type that appeals a bit. and science as i want to do astronomy/astrophysics as it is something that interests me
thanks guys!
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im in year 12 this year and im gonna put down bachelor of science/bachelor of engineering @ monash as my 1st preference
is anyone doing this and can give me any information? im one of those people that are really unsure bout what they wanna do so this seems like the broadest option to me. engineering seems like a good idea to do because i can get the enter score required and i heard they get a decent pay (starting salary of 70k+? or something like that), probably chemical is the only type that appeals a bit. and science as i want to do astronomy/astrophysics as it is something that interests me
thanks guys!
Im doing eng/sci at monash.
Overall, I would say I made the wrong decision by picking a double degree and that's why Im switching to straight eng this semester(me and 4 of my friends).
Mainly because Im not happy with the science faculty in monash. First year physics is incredibly unorganised and is led by the most brain dead physics professor known to man.
Honestly, if you're going to pick engineering because you can get the enter score and like the salary, then I would advise against it. Its hard, many people drop out because they cant keep up with the pace and probably because they don't find it interesting after a few years. But, really, if you're dead set on the double degree, then go for it. If chemical eng appeals to you then you might want to ask Mao, as he recently just dropped his chem eng degree.
Oh yeah, for astrophysics, Ive been told that it gets insanely mathematical as you go into third year, so if you're good at maths and can handle a lot of number crunching then astrophysics would be a good choice. First year astronomy is pretty much entirely theory with a few calculations thrown in, but in essence, its just a bludge.
If you need anymore insight, ask away.
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I also do Eng/Sci at Monash, and more specifically do Chemical engineering. Although I've only done 1 semester of it, the first year chem eng unit has been very heavy on the maths. In fact every single problem we've done has been maths-based. However seeing as you do spesh I can make an assumption that you like maths so it shouldn't be a problem. Chem eng has included a bit of Chemistry including stoichiometry, reactions and some thermochemistry (unit 4 stuff). It also involves a bit of physics, basic physics so you'll be okay skipping Foundation physics next year (a subject for those who didn't do year 12 physics).
If you do the double degree then you'll have to complete a maths minor and first year chemistry. However if you want to do astrophysics, you may have to end up doing 1st year physics and then do astro in 2nd year.
If you only like science, then the double degree is a good choice. Then after first year if you don't like one then you can drop it and move into a single degree. If you like maths then you should enjoy chemical engineering. There's a lot of stuff in it but I just learnt to follow certain formulas and it become a fun subject
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aiyah... so it seems like its all maths maths maths! D: kinda worried now
i wouldnt say im good at maths... im "ok" and i dont mind doing it, not enjoy it, and i wouldnt really want to do it for a living...
ive got a few more courses that appeal a bit to me
if anyones done these/heard about them. can you let me know?
behavioural neuroscience @ monash
biotechnology @ monash
biomedical science @ monash (possibly considering doing a double degree with Sci or Eng)
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To let you know, there were quite a number of people in that subject who hadn't done Specialist maths, and they were able to cope with it. It's been heavy on the maths. If you're able to do a fair amount of maths problems, then you should be fine for it
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ohh jimmy, i just been erading the monash course pages
and... it says for first year i can only pick one of a few
like im 100% sure i wanna do the astronomy 2
does that mean i cant do the physics?
im looking at http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/0085.html
under chemical engineering level one
Select one pair of science units from:
* ASP1010 Earth to cosmos - introductory astronomy and ASP1022 Life and the universe
* BIO1011 Biology I and BIO1022 Biology II
* ESC1011 Planet earth and its environment: the cosmic connection and ESC1022 Planet earth: dynamic systems, environmental change and resources
* FIT1002 Computer programming and FIT1008 Computer science
* PHS1011 Physics (or PHS1080 Foundation physics) and PHS1022 Physics
* STA1010 Statistical methods for science and MTH1112 Numbers, logic and graphs
cos i wanna do foundation physics as well as ASP ones
im sorry for bad explanation
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So, you want to do chem eng. and science, a very popular combination. Let me explain a few things:
From the course planning perspective, maths is always going to be in there [you have to major], and you have room for another major, and that's it. You don't have room for another minor, you only get to study two topics at the second and third level. You do have some leeway in first year though, and that is one set of electives.
If you choose to major in chemistry [and you would want to if you picked 'chemical engineering' for the chemistry, because there's not much], you would want the other first year sequence to be physics, especially if you haven't done year 12 physics. Newtonian physics will bite you like a bitch if you don't. The physics department is so shit beyond description, but you'll still need the knowledge.
If you choose to major in physics, lucky you. Enjoy the worst physics department ever for three years. Menzies is quite tall, feel free to jump off it.
If you choose to major in something else, good for you. Make sure you brush up on your statics and dynamics because you won't be able to fit physics in there.
If you don't like maths, stay clear of engineering. Do biomed or something where you don't have to worry about numbers.
As for the engineering side:
In first year, you are going to be breezing through it. Anyone with a bit of computing background will kill the computing unit, anyone with a bit of math background [chemistry isn't even needed] will kill the chem eng unit.
In second year, shit will go down. These units are much harder with a much higher fail rate. Even if you were a high achiever (99) at VCE, you're probably only looking at ~60 to ~70 for these units, about a third of the cohort repeats.
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farkkkk im so confused lol
i wanna do science because of the astronomy/astrophysics
but that means i cant fit that in? :(
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i guess you could do science ... double majoring in biotechnology and astrophysics if you want or do double degree like u said... in bio tech you can do chem units http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/aos/sci-ug-biotechnology-sci.html depends what you like and what you want to do in the future... because im not sure if astrophysics and biomed type stuff is that related but you could still do it..
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ohh jimmy, i just been erading the monash course pages
and... it says for first year i can only pick one of a few
like im 100% sure i wanna do the astronomy 2
does that mean i cant do the physics?
im looking at http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/0085.html
under chemical engineering level one
Select one pair of science units from:
* ASP1010 Earth to cosmos - introductory astronomy and ASP1022 Life and the universe
* BIO1011 Biology I and BIO1022 Biology II
* ESC1011 Planet earth and its environment: the cosmic connection and ESC1022 Planet earth: dynamic systems, environmental change and resources
* FIT1002 Computer programming and FIT1008 Computer science
* PHS1011 Physics (or PHS1080 Foundation physics) and PHS1022 Physics
* STA1010 Statistical methods for science and MTH1112 Numbers, logic and graphs
cos i wanna do foundation physics as well as ASP ones
im sorry for bad explanation
Stay away from FIT1002. It's fcken awful, unless you love programming.
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Stay away from FIT1002. It's fcken awful, unless you love programming.
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lol yeah i hate anything to do with programming now so stayin the hell away from that shiettt!
i only seem to be interested in ASP1010 ASP1022 ESC1011(only the bit that relates to astronomy) and physics ones
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is fit1002 hard? im taking it next sem :S
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http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/aos/sci-ug-astronomy-and-astrophysics.html
Read through that. It explains what subjects need to be done to get a major in astronomy/astrophysics. By the looks of it you may have to end up doing 2nd year physics to get the major, which if you end up doing sci/eng....won't be able to fit in as you'll need to include a maths minor as well unless you choose not to major in maths (highly recommended to major if you're doing engineering)
However it's still possible to do some units in astronomy, just not all of them
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if i was going for "purely interest"
i would just do plain bachelor of science and do every astronomy and physics subjects
but engineering is $$$ and seems a waste to let that go =/
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if i was going for "purely interest"
i would just do plain bachelor of science and do every astronomy and physics subjects
but engineering is $$$ and seems a waste to let that go =/
Are you just doing it for the money, or are you genuinely interested??
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i have genuine interest in science (physics & chemistry)
anything to do with biology is a no no
so i figured engineering is a good way to go as good career and interest
its just if i do sci/eng i cant pick all the subjects i want in first year! :(
maths + chem + astronomy + physics (incl. foundation) + eng is too much
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hey na you can do all those units .... because when you major in astrophysics . the minor requirement can be physics and mathematics too
here ive worked out a suggested pathway (you can change the chm units to whateva you like)... hope its right taking into account the prerequisites etc.
so sci/eng is 5 years and you need 240 points... 132 points being eng units and 108 points being sci units
1st year
chm1011,chm1022
eng1010, eng1060
mth2010, mth1030
phs1080, phs1022
2nd year
asp2011, asp2062
chm2911, chm2922
che2161,che2162
che2164, che2163
3rd year
chm3911, chm3922
asp3051, asp3012
che3161, che3162
che3163, che3172
4th year
chm3952, chm3180
asp3231, mth2032
che3165, che3164
ene3608, che3166
5th year
che4161, che4170
che4162, che4163
che4180, che4172
mte2541, che3175
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hey na you can do all those units .... because when you major in astrophysics . the minor requirement can be physics and mathematics too
here ive worked out a suggested pathway (you can change the chm units to whateva you like)... hope its right taking into account the prerequisites etc.
so sci/eng is 5 years and you need 240 points... 132 points being eng units and 108 points being sci units
1st year
chm1011,chm1022
eng1010, eng1060
mth1020, mth1030
phs1080, phs1022
2nd year
asp2011, asp2062
chm2911, chm2922
che2161,che2162
che2164, che2163
3rd year
chm3911, chm3922
asp3051, asp3012
che3161, che3162
che3163, che3172
4th year
chm3952, chm3180
asp3231, mth2032
che3165, che3164
ene3608, che3166
5th year
che4161, che4170
che4162, che4163
che4180, che4172
mte2541, che3175
oh wow thanks for that man :D i couldnt sleep all last night thinking about whether to do Sci or Sci/Eng
but just one question... i cant do ASP1010 and ASP1022 ?
they sound heaps fun lol
and i seriously have no idea where you pulled all those subject codes, cos on the monash handbook page thing, i only see one pathway for chemical engineering and they dont have that stuff. im so noob :(
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i got the info from both here and here
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/0085.html
http://www.eng.monash.edu.au/chemical/current/ug/units.html.... scroll to here BSc-BE Double Degree and it pretty much is the setup for the course
hm you can't do asp1010 and asp1022 because you need chem prerequisites...unless you want to do a physics major but i was guessing that you already do a astrophysics major so you know whats the point... but its up to you... but i guess you can if you overload which you'll have to ask about... but anyway asp2011 in second year should cover all the basics (included in 1st year) since the prequisites are only 1st year physics units so they'll have to cover the topics for the students who didn't do 1st year astro... and besides 2nd yr units are usually better lol
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ahh ok thanks
i didnt know about that eng page
i know that you do 4 units a semester but whats all this stuff about major/minors?
like how many of each do you do etc
my understanding at the moment is that
for the engineering side im majoring in chemical eng?
and science im majoring astrophysics and minor in chem, physics, maths?
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The first year astronomy units aren't necessary unless you plan on minoring in astronomy/astrophysics.
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The first year astronomy units aren't necessary unless you plan on minoring in astronomy/astrophysics.
does minoring in it just mean you do less units of it?
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yep
usually just 1st and 2nd year units
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since the enter required for this course is quite high (subjective)
if i dont get in, is there any other pathway i can take? or will i have to just do science single degree
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ahh ok thanks
i didnt know about that eng page
i know that you do 4 units a semester but whats all this stuff about major/minors?
like how many of each do you do etc
my understanding at the moment is that
for the engineering side im majoring in chemical eng?
and science im majoring astrophysics and minor in chem, physics, maths?
you do your chemical eng component with an elective engineering stream (from either Sustainable Processing,Nanotechnology and Materials or Biotechnology) and then you can double major in science component... i.e: astrophysics and chemistry .... or astrophysics and physics
choose from here http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/2010handbooks/undergrad/sci-aos-clayton.html
don't know if the enter is 93.45 but all you can do it try your best.
if you don't get in you can just do science ... majoring in any of those i linked above
or try transfer if you really want to do chm engineering since you can already take most of those 1st yr units in science degree
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since the enter required for this course is quite high (subjective)
if i dont get in, is there any other pathway i can take? or will i have to just do science single degree
You could do a year of science or a year of engineering and then transfer. Although I'm not exactly sure how someone transfers into a double degree you'll have to ask the faculties.
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so my majors in science would be astrophysics and chemistry?
where does "maths" go? as ive heard that chemical engineering should be done with chem and maths and physics?
*bangs head* why so confusing :S
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Maths would be your minor.
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you don't have to have it with chm, maths and physics... but the setup i used has to those subjects because that is what your interested in...
actually you wouldn't minor
but you don't have to because you can either have two majors in the science component of the degree
or a double major and a minor or one major and three minors...
you wouldn't minor because your missing one unit... (and i changed the suggested setup from mth1020 to mth2010 because you need this as a prereq for your astrophysics units) and the prereq for mth1030 is specialist maths which your doing. so cross your fingers for at least a B in the written components of the exam or else you will have to overload.... and besides all that the mth units are prereqs for astrophysics so it wouldn't count... because if the units are being used towards a major then they can't also be used for a minor sequence.... but you don't have to worry as long as you get 108 points and you have 2 majors it should be okay
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@99.95, if you hate programming, why are you even considering engineering? You do realise the entire engineering profession heavily relies on computing right?
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"they get a decent pay (starting salary of 70k+? or something like that)"
"but engineering is $$$ and seems a waste to let that go =/"
"i wouldnt say im good at maths... im "ok" and i dont mind doing it, not enjoy it, and i wouldnt really want to do it for a living..."
i thought astrophysics etc... has quite a lot of maths in it
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Haha, that's even worse than my motive. "Hmm Engineering will pay me to study, science won't, I'll do a double degree."
Look at where I am now?
@99.95, take a word of warning. If you go into engineering want to just earn a good salary, and you don't actually have a passion for computing or mathematics, I suggest you go into commerce or something. Believe me when I say that you will need passion to pull you through engineering. If you think it's a waste to let a high score go to a science degree, you can't be more wrong. Work hard and pull a doctorate in science, and you can laugh in the graduate engineers' faces.
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@99.95, if you hate programming, why are you even considering engineering? You do realise the entire engineering profession heavily relies on computing right?
He's only in it for the free microsoft shit.
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i wish i got microsoft for free =( but i paid like 75 bucks so its all good
i need to learn how to use endnote seriously...lol
but yeah i suggest to 99.95 to research into this course to see if it suits you... the units, afterwards what you can do and look at the research projects are those topics what you think you might enjoy...
or you might be like Mao and start it and then drop it lateron... but yeah look into it first
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Guys, where is this free microsoft shit?? I haven't been given any free software
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Lol ok now im so unsure about going into Eng... i've been researching this double degree course for the past 2 weeks non-stop! literally read all the unit descriptions etc.
Everything in the Science degree im interested, chemical engineering seems to be like it would be something i 'could possibly' enjoy as well as being able to cope with the work... I've actually thought about BSc/BComm but i've never had any interest in business related stuff? Just reading the descriptions doesn't light up any light bulbs in my head. I said before that i hated biology related stuff... but i watched XMEN last night and the whole evolution and stuff is interesting (lol im an idiot yes)
ARGHHH so many courses and so low interest in me!
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Don't worry it can take forever to decide what course you want to do. I started looking at courses in year 9 and it wasn't until year 11 that I decided I wanted to do Chemical Engineering. Even so it wasn't until year 12 that I decided upon the double degree. By the looks of it you really needed more time but keep going through courses until the cutoff date.
Currently it seems studying science would be much better for you. I would recommend it. If you do Sci Advanced, you get the option of doing units outside the science faculty. You could use that to try out other subjects and then transfer into that if you want.
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If you do a science degree at Melbourne you can do chemical engineering as breadth and then if you don't like engineering just drop it easily and end up with a science degree. Kind of the same thing except that it would probably be easier to drop the engineering, plus you don't have to worry about a dodgy physics department, although engineering at melbourne is apparently not as good.
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Ahh well the only thing that is restricting me is the only uni i can go to is Monash Clayton. Travelling anywhere else would require long public transport rides and i get sick really easily... and ive heard monash has a really good reputation, around same as UoM, so i guess that would be impressive to employers post grad.
Hmm what do you think of BBioMedSc/BSc vs BSc/BE? in terms of:
- job availability after grad
- difficulty of course
- job salary
i realise that it is affected by what i choose to major in etc but generally?
no matter what i do, i want BSc in there as well so i can major in astrophysics, is my dream :D
Ive read the BioMed course and it actually seems really interesting, but my dad said that if i do this, theres no guarantee i'll have a good job (or even A job)
i know someone who has a PhD in biomed, majoring in immunology, hes just finished at uni after 10 or so years, and he has no job ever since, cant find one
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anything to do with biology is a no no
Ive read the BioMed course and it actually seems really interesting
have you changed your mind?
not sure if anyone here does biomed/science ... if someone does they could probably be more specific
but in terms of difficulty i would say both are difficult and would require a lot of work and dedication with the biomed/science a lot of prac reports, tests, assignments, exams etc... but i guess the difficulty would depend on how much you are enjoying the course because usually if you really like something it doesn't matter what work your given you do it and if you hate the course you usually find it very difficult... look through the course structure and units you will be doing
job salary not sure scientists don't get a lot of money but if you want to do science you better do it for interest rather than for money cause you'll be dissapointed... but it also depends what job you get...if you work in industry you usually get more money than in research work...and monash has good ties with research side of things so if your a good student and motivated + a sprinkle of luck then it should be no problem, although it is competitive...
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anything to do with biology is a no no
Ive read the BioMed course and it actually seems really interesting
have you changed your mind?
not sure if anyone here does biomed/science ... if someone does they could probably be more specific
but in terms of difficulty i would say both are difficult and would require a lot of work and dedication with the biomed/science a lot of prac reports, tests, assignments, exams etc... but i guess the difficulty would depend on how much you are enjoying the course because usually if you really like something it doesn't matter what work your given you do it and if you hate the course you usually find it very difficult... look through the course structure and units you will be doing
job salary not sure scientists don't get a lot of money but if you want to do science you better do it for interest rather than for money cause you'll be dissapointed... but it also depends what job you get...if you work in industry you usually get more money than in research work...and monash has good ties with research side of things so if your a good student and motivated + a sprinkle of luck then it should be no problem, although it is competitive...
lol yeah my mind changed after watching xmen
so pretty much if my interest is scientific, should i try and get 95.05+, science advanced with honours? although... i dont see if that leads anywhere with good job/pay
what about doing biomed/sc... specialising in something (ie. pathology or pharmacology)... then becoming a specialist in that area? that sounds like it would be interesting and also get paid a lot.
im just unsure if htat would require some sort of post grad education or if the bachelor of bbiomedsc and bachelor of sci is enough. masters or something?
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If you're looking towards going into research you must do a PhD - I haven't seen an academic biomedical scientist with anything less.
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If you're looking towards going into research you must do a PhD - I haven't seen an academic biomedical scientist with anything less.
umm is there such thing as PhD in astronomy/astrophysics? and what would that lead to? what kind of career? sorry i dont know anything about this stuff lol :X
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If you're looking towards going into research you must do a PhD - I haven't seen an academic biomedical scientist with anything less.
umm is there such thing as PhD in astronomy/astrophysics? and what would that lead to? what kind of career? sorry i dont know anything about this stuff lol :X
Yes, there is. You would become an astrophysicist or a university lecturer. But remember, there are hardly any astrophysics jobs in australia... so you would be looking to go overseas for better jobs.
Might want to take a look at this first before you make up your mind on astro
http://www.abc.net.au/acedayjobs/cooljobs/profiles/s2384514.htm
"Permanent jobs in astronomy are not easy to come by (there are only around 100 in Australia)."
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Yeah, i was thinking maybe move to USA? Cos there's NASA and astro is a bigger thing over there than in aus... but it seems so risky heading down that pathway, might end up jobless
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anything to do with biology is a no no
Ive read the BioMed course and it actually seems really interesting
have you changed your mind?
not sure if anyone here does biomed/science ... if someone does they could probably be more specific
but in terms of difficulty i would say both are difficult and would require a lot of work and dedication with the biomed/science a lot of prac reports, tests, assignments, exams etc... but i guess the difficulty would depend on how much you are enjoying the course because usually if you really like something it doesn't matter what work your given you do it and if you hate the course you usually find it very difficult... look through the course structure and units you will be doing
job salary not sure scientists don't get a lot of money but if you want to do science you better do it for interest rather than for money cause you'll be dissapointed... but it also depends what job you get...if you work in industry you usually get more money than in research work...and monash has good ties with research side of things so if your a good student and motivated + a sprinkle of luck then it should be no problem, although it is competitive...
lol yeah my mind changed after watching xmen
so pretty much if my interest is scientific, should i try and get 95.05+, science advanced with honours? although... i dont see if that leads anywhere with good job/pay
what about doing biomed/sc... specialising in something (ie. pathology or pharmacology)... then becoming a specialist in that area? that sounds like it would be interesting and also get paid a lot.
im just unsure if htat would require some sort of post grad education or if the bachelor of bbiomedsc and bachelor of sci is enough. masters or something?
lol after watching xmen....
good job= you have an interest in it
pay= comes with time
i was thinking about pharmacology...but decided against it...
but i think pharmaceutical companies pay decent wages but that also depends...
you keep thinking about money lol
well if you want to do research, you should do at least honours but even then you would be stuck at research assistant.. you need phd to head your own lab
america always has good opportunities...but australia is good too
i guess what you have to decide first is what you want to do in 2011
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hahah yeah XMEN IS THE SHIZZ!
just tryin to find that balance with something ill enjoy doing for the rest of my life as well as being able to live a comfortable life with a fair amount of money.
i dont really care how long it takes at uni to get qualifications as long as the stuff im studying is in my interest and i love learning about it.
i dont have a preference between research and working in industry... but as working = more money, seems like the way to go haha
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yep... so i guess all you got to do now is decide what you want to do next year
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Yeah, i was thinking maybe move to USA? Cos there's NASA and astro is a bigger thing over there than in aus... but it seems so risky heading down that pathway, might end up jobless
Not true. Australia is currently in the running as one of two places(the other being South Africa) to build the Square Kilometer Array. It's not just a square kilometer of radio telescopes. It's a square kilometer of sky. This is a fucking huge piece of sky and it will change the way we see the universe.
Anyway, to be a 'fully qualified' astrophysicist/astronomer you need a PhD and I'm telling you now that a PhD in theoretical astrophysics contains more maths than TrueTears brain. Observational Astrophysics contains quite a bit of maths too but you spend most of your time observing instead of theorising.
It's also very difficult to get a job in astrophysics even with a PhD as there are so few jobs in the field at the moment and you'll most likely end up as a professor at a university.
Edit: You should probably read this. It will give you an idea of whats involved in becoming an astrophysicist.
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Yeah, i was thinking maybe move to USA? Cos there's NASA and astro is a bigger thing over there than in aus... but it seems so risky heading down that pathway, might end up jobless
Not true. Australia is currently in the running as one of two places(the other being South Africa) to build the Square Kilometer Array. It's not just a square kilometer of radio telescopes. It's a square kilometer of sky. This is a fucking huge piece of sky and it will change the way we see the universe.
Anyway, to be a 'fully qualified' astrophysicist/astronomer you need a PhD and I'm telling you now that a PhD in theoretical astrophysics contains more maths than TrueTears brain. Observational Astrophysics contains quite a bit of maths too but you spend most of your time observing instead of theorising.
It's also very difficult to get a job in astrophysics even with a PhD as there are so few jobs in the field at the moment and you'll most likely end up as a professor at a university.
Edit: You should probably read this. It will give you an idea of whats involved in becoming an astrophysicist.
LOL "more maths than TrueTears brain"
that links very interesting... shame theres no 'astronomy club' at my school :(
the other thing that kind of worries me is that if i go straight for Bachelor of Science and end up not liking astrophysics, (as in the massive load of maths/physics rather than studying space etc) theres no where else to go.
"Contrary to popular opinion, you don't spend most of your time looking through a telescope; you hardly ever use an eyepiece at all!"
i... dont wanna end up playing around on a computer lol. im trying to avoid computer jobs such as programming now because i dont wanna sit at a desk typing all day
It seems like i would prefer observational astronomy over theoretical as i just read this"
"The other route? If instrumentation or observing doesn't do it for you, there's theory, which is the route I went down. This is incredibly math and physics intensive, and you will spend most of your time writing COMPUTER CODE, running simulations, and trying your best to find approximate solutions to unsolvable equations. "
COMPUTER CODE! NOOOOOOO
"there are many more people with PhDs than there are jobs as professional observers or professional theorists!"
Make more jobs!!
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i was thinking about pharmacology...but decided against it...
but i think pharmaceutical companies pay decent wages but that also depends...
It's apparently australia's biggest growth area in the near future if that influences your thinking at all.
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i was thinking about pharmacology...but decided against it...
but i think pharmaceutical companies pay decent wages but that also depends...
It's apparently australia's biggest growth area in the near future if that influences your thinking at all.
to become a pharmacologist, does that require medicine? like doing biomed then postgrad med?
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I'm not a pharmacy student but it doesn't require a medicine degree, it requires a pharmacy degree. Pretty sure some universities offer it at undergraduate level, whilst others offer it at postgraduate level...so you'd need to sit the GAMSAT if you wanted to apply after doing your BSc/BBiomed (in that sense it's like medicine)
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Isn't pharmacy and pharmacology like completely different? Pharmacy reqs UMAT and has a separate course, whereas pharmacology is apart of Science and Biomed
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Yeah you're right, I evidently got confused :-[
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Bachelor of Pharmacy
Career outlook
Graduates work in various areas of the pharmaceutical industry, including in community and hospital pharmacies and in research. (Note: Australia is experiencing a severe shortage of registered pharmacists, especially in rural areas.)
Bachelor of Pharmaceutical Science
Career outlook
Graduates will be able to find employment in the pharmaceutical industry. Opportunities also exist in associated industries such as food, agricultural, chemical and cosmetics.
So it seems pharmacy is becoming a pharmacist, pharmaceutical science is working for big companies making new products?
And Severe Shortage = Big $$$
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My dad said that pharmacy in melbourne is saturated, and that if i wanted to do htat, i would probably have to move outside of melb to 'rural areas'
Does anyone know how pharmaceutical science is different to pharmacology?
I can't study pharmaceutical science as it isnt offered at clayton monash, only parkville. but pharmacology is available through biomedical science
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So it seems pharmacy is becoming a pharmacist, pharmaceutical science is working for big companies making new products?
Yep that's the main pathway, and you can expand on that i.e. pharmacist = hospital/community/industry/research; pharm sci = manufacturing/industrial/research etc
And Severe Shortage = Big $$$
Though I wouldn't pick pharmacy because of the shortage since it's actually getting relieved due to the pharmacy student numbers rising. Monash used to market the course as being "oh we have 99.4% of graduates being employed" now it's "97._%" lol. The internationals were pretty bummed when they realised pharmacist is off the list of skilled occupations here: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/new-list-of-occupations.pdf. Not surprising most of them picked it for easy PR, but it's too bad now.
My dad said that pharmacy in melbourne is saturated, and that if i wanted to do htat, i would probably have to move outside of melb to 'rural areas'
Does anyone know how pharmaceutical science is different to pharmacology?
I can't study pharmaceutical science as it isnt offered at clayton monash, only parkville. but pharmacology is available through biomedical science
It's not that bad that you have to go rural ... yet, but yes your dad is probably right in saying it's approaching saturation.
Pharmaceutical science students (both formulation and med chem majors) have units incorporating pharmacology (it's also a stand-alone core unit in second year semester 2). In pharmacy, pharmacology is ongoing from second year - pharmacy just has a more healthcare/patient theme to it and they try relate everything back to the pharmacist profession. I would assume that "pharmacology" in a different course may have a stronger, probably more deeper focus (in a more inquisitive scientific sense) rather than broadly exploring pharmaceutics, cell biology, product development & physical chemistry which all leads to the pharmaceutical science degree. So you could say pharmacology branches out from pharm sci and you look at that certain branch in detail if you do a major in it or something. Med/nursing/other health students also have to touch on pharmacology.
If you want more insight into pharmacology, check out a textbook called Rang and Dale's Pharmacology.
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Would doing eng/sci majoring in chem eng possibly lead to engineering pharmaceuticals? so instead of doing biomed/sc and majoring in pharmacology
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Would doing eng/sci majoring in chem eng possibly lead to engineering pharmaceuticals? so instead of doing biomed/sc and majoring in pharmacology
In a broad sense, it could. You'd just have to find the right way to do it. If you're an exceptional student and have a clear intention on getting there I don't see why not. The course just won't have a huge focus on pharmaceuticals as pharm sci (or even the double campus pharm sci/eng) would. It would probably suit someone more willing to lean the chemistry but not so the drugs and in a sense the biological component of pharmaceutical science. The manufacturing, development of products and 'engineering' is what separates it from pharmacology (I would also say pharmaco has a more biological base too - lots of rote learning). If you asked a chemical engineer and then a pharmaceutical engineer/scientist the mechanism of action of say, antihypertensives such as certain beta-blockers or ACE inhibitors you'd get respective responses of WTFs and blahblahblahs.
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Lol... WUT?!
by the way, what are you doing Toothpaste?
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Lol... WUT?!
by the way, what are you doing Toothpaste?
Pharmacy lol, saturating your job market before you guys get to it.
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Haha you dick, what kind of enter would you need to get into pharm, as well as doing the UCARPET? stupid vtac guide said RC tycoon or something stupid
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Haha you dick, what kind of enter would you need to get into pharm, as well as doing the UCARPET? stupid vtac guide said RC tycoon or something stupid
Nowadays, probably just 90+ (a drop from the old 95+). 93 - 94 is probably the lowest with the odd 92 here and there. You probably only really need to beat half of the applicants sitting the URUG to get in with around 95. Just a warning, not a flexible course - no picking units/changing timetables and you have to wait a year to repeat if you fail something. Also a lot of oral presentations or whatever they are now - they've gotten really spontaneous and could occur in any tutorial now. Role-playing is hilarious though, if we were the way we are now in a professional setting, we would've killed a crapload of people by now hahaha.
Anyway, what the hell you managed to get from BSc/BE to BPharm with other stuff along the way. I think you need to sit in on some uni lectures to get a feel of some of these courses mate. :P
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LoL oh gosh... better not buy any pharmaceuticals from the company you work for. you're probably gonna be dishing out 5k a week on insurance hahah
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pharmaceutical science is more specific and tailored degree involving formulation and medicinal chemistry so more about drug discovery and development...more industry based i guess
pharmacology in science is more general and does involve drug development and other aspects but you can still get the same type of jobs and work in industry and pharmaceutical companies
they do these sorts of research- immunopharmacology bio, cardiovascular pharmacology, drug discovery and venom and toxin.
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/pharmacology/research/index.html
and these sorts of things
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/pharmacology/docs/hons-projects.pdf
99.95 you sure do change your mind a lot
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pharmaceutical science is more specific and tailored degree involving formulation and medicinal chemistry so more about drug discovery and development...more industry based i guess
pharmacology in science is more general and does involve drug development and other aspects but you can still get the same type of jobs and work in industry and pharmaceutical companies
they do these sorts of research- immunopharmacology bio, cardiovascular pharmacology, drug discovery and venom and toxin.
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/pharmacology/research/index.html
and these sorts of things
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/pharmacology/docs/hons-projects.pdf
99.95 you sure do change your mind a lot
hahah yeah "im indecisive, i cant decide"
just making sure i've thought about everything thoroughly
still leaning towards bsc/be most though
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i was thinking about pharmacology...but decided against it...
but i think pharmaceutical companies pay decent wages but that also depends...
It's apparently australia's biggest growth area in the near future if that influences your thinking at all.
yeah but na lol i did pharmacology last year and decided against it, wasn't for me... ill stick with my micro and imm
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truelight, what are you doing now? micro and imm? sounds like biomed
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yep
microbiology + immunology ... but im doing it in science
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Single degree bachelor of science?
What sort of job are you after? Like where could that lead you
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i was thinking about pharmacology...but decided against it...
but i think pharmaceutical companies pay decent wages but that also depends...
It's apparently australia's biggest growth area in the near future if that influences your thinking at all.
yeah but na lol i did pharmacology last year and decided against it, wasn't for me... ill stick with my micro and imm
I thoroughly approve of this major choice!
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Single degree bachelor of science?
What sort of job are you after? Like where could that lead you
yep single degree
umm not quite sure yet... probably research
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Is a single degree less work than a double? It's my understanding that a double degree has more units? Or does it balance out because the course is longer
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Is a single degree less work than a double? It's my understanding that a double degree has more units? Or does it balance out because the course is longer
In most cases it still requires doing four units a semester, except for some combinations which require overloading at some points in the degree. This may make it less or more work depending on the double. For example, Engineering/Arts would have less contact hours than straight Engineering, as two of your units a semester would be Arts units which have less contact hours than Engineering units.
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could you possibly be disadvantaged if you're doing a double degree? because you're doing half the amount of units compared to those doing single degree... you would have learnt less stuff than they did
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could you possibly be disadvantaged if you're doing a double degree? because you're doing half the amount of units compared to those doing single degree... you would have learnt less stuff than they did
But it takes longer overall, so you're not losing half of the total amount. The way they make it shorter is that one half of the double degree cross credits as electives to the other half. For example, in a Eng/Sci degree, Engineering units could count as Science electives, and Science electives could count as Eng electives. However, in most cases you will lose a bit of depth in that you often don't have as many electives to specialise in a field of study compared to a single degree student. But then again you have a whole other degree =]
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Ahh so it would be like... lose a bit of indepth knowledge but get 2 bachelor of ____ things, win in the end :D
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The way first year BE/BSc works is your science subjects also count as credit towards your eng degree. So instead of doing the eng maths subjects, you do the science version of it and that covers it. Also because I do 1st year chemistry I don't need to do a 2nd year chem eng subject next year because I've covered equivalent material. That being said I end up doing 1 or 2 less engineering subjects. For Science I can only do either 2 different majors or a double major and a minor in something else. The scieng degree ends up limiting some of your choice for the science bit, however to get your actual engineering degree, you have to do most of the subjects as that's set as part of the accreditted degree.
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The way first year BE/BSc works is your science subjects also count as credit towards your eng degree. So instead of doing the eng maths subjects, you do the science version of it and that covers it. Also because I do 1st year chemistry I don't need to do a 2nd year chem eng subject next year because I've covered equivalent material. That being said I end up doing 1 or 2 less engineering subjects. For Science I can only do either 2 different majors or a double major and a minor in something else. The scieng degree ends up limiting some of your choice for the science bit, however to get your actual engineering degree, you have to do most of the subjects as that's set as part of the accreditted degree.
So umm assuming that i get into eng/sci
What would you recommend to major in? maths and chemistry? so that its like same stuff to learn as chem eng
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Definitely major in maths if you're doing any form of eng. The other major doesn't really matter. Chem eng only involves a tiny bit of chem so if you want some chemistry then you'll do a chemistry major. They would be your best options
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Do you need to know physics beyond foundation for chem eng? as in would i need to do any physics units after first year foundation. assuming i dont major in it
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Do you need to know physics beyond foundation for chem eng? as in would i need to do any physics units after first year foundation. assuming i dont major in it
Check out these pretty maps
http://www.eng.monash.edu.au/current-students/course-map.html
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lol I dont know where I'd be without those course maps
<3
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You should definitely do foundation physics. However that's all you really need. The faculty let me drop physics and if you did the single eng degree, you would only need to have done foundation physics. What most chem eng students do is foundation physics, then replace second semester physics with usually a maths subject
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What do you think of Eng/Commerce?
My understanding is that if you have a degree in comm, you can become manager and CEO of companies etc
thus your pay after a few years could increase substantially
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What do you think of Eng/Commerce?
My understanding is that if you have a degree in comm, you can become manager and CEO of companies etc
thus your pay after a few years could increase substantially
You can become a manager and CEO of companies with just an Arts degree.
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What do you think of Eng/Commerce?
My understanding is that if you have a degree in comm, you can become manager and CEO of companies etc
thus your pay after a few years could increase substantially
You can become a manager and CEO of companies with just an Arts degree.
Ooh... i don't understand why people/info-booklets say that doing eng/comm is a powerful combo and has great synergy etc
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What do you think of Eng/Commerce?
My understanding is that if you have a degree in comm, you can become manager and CEO of companies etc
thus your pay after a few years could increase substantially
You can become a manager and CEO of companies with just an Arts degree.
Ooh... i don't understand why people/info-booklets say that doing eng/comm is a powerful combo and has great synergy etc
Because they're advertising lol. CEOs have MBAs anyway, your undergrad wouldn't matter so much.
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So... engineering has absolutely nothing to do with commerce? lol LIARS
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So... engineering has absolutely nothing to do with commerce? lol LIARS
well it might have very little to do with commerce, but that doesn't mean it's useless either. Us VCE/Uni students really can't tell how useful they'll be later in life though, seriously.
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So... engineering has absolutely nothing to do with commerce? lol LIARS
well it might have very little to do with commerce, but that doesn't mean it's useless either. Us VCE/Uni students really can't tell how useful they'll be later in life though, seriously.
So when looking for a job, you can go two ways into one of the two job fields, but they don't really compliment each other?
Like say pharmsc/eng would land you a job in pharm eng over someone with just 1 of the 2 degrees
But could you become say manager or CEO etc without any business/commerce skills? because the big pay is there, not with the people making the stuff
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So... engineering has absolutely nothing to do with commerce? lol LIARS
well it might have very little to do with commerce, but that doesn't mean it's useless either. Us VCE/Uni students really can't tell how useful they'll be later in life though, seriously.
But could you become say manager or CEO etc without any business/commerce skills? because the big pay is there, not with the people making the stuff
I am under the impression that not having a Commerce undergraduate degree won't make much of a difference in whether or not you will be able to become a CEO - it's hard either way. I think most CEOs would obtain an MBA at some point though.