ATAR Notes: Forum
Administration => Site Discussion => Suggestions => Topic started by: tia on April 02, 2008, 07:04:56 pm
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This is more a question than a suggestion...
The front page says "Our notes system contains pages and pages of notes contributed by students who have attained study scores of 45-50." does this mean all notes are by students who got 45-50? if not how do we tell which are like you say?
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You can't really. I've never agreed with that statement anyway. Basically, a 50's persons notes may not be the best notes while a 40 students notes may be the best.
That has no association to myself but basically all notes that are submitted are of a very good quality. If you want to verify the quality ask someone on here about their thoughts on a member and you can get a better idea.
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It's harmless information. I wouldn't dismiss the correlation between effective notes and the author's study score - it certainly exists, but of course there are other factors. If the author wishes to include it, they might as well.
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I agree with you Coblin but I don't think that a Study Score is solely a reliable indicator of the quality of notes. A person with a 44 could have better notes that a person who has a SS of 45 etc.
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I agree with you Coblin but I don't think that a Study Score is solely a reliable indicator of the quality of notes. A person with a 44 could have better notes that a person who has a SS of 45 etc.
he didnt say that....
coblin said there is correlation, he did not claim a direct relationship
theres a difference
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It's just my wording. I don't claim that he said it was the sole indicator. I was simply rephrasing my own opinion in the same sentence as agreeing with Coblin. I should have full stopped it and gotten rid of but.
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Yeah. Well it's up to the reader to decide how to use the information. Even if SS's only explain 5% of the quality of the notes, it is better than having 0% information on the quality of the notes.
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I would think that the rating system in place at the moment would be a much better indicator. But the fault with the current system is that it relies on the user to rate the notes which probably doesnt happen.
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ok so when it says notes are from people with 45-50 study scores its wrong then
obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy?
I don't mind that they aren't all from students who gained 45-50 as I agree just because a student got a high study score doesn't mean their notes are the best, nor does it mean someone with a lower score has 'worse' notes. It's just interesting that it says they are when they are not...strange??
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ok so when it says notes are from people with 45-50 study scores its wrong then
obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy?
I don't mind that they aren't all from students who gained 45-50 as I agree just because a student got a high study score doesn't mean their notes are the best, nor does it mean someone with a lower score has 'worse' notes. It's just interesting that it says they are when they are not...strange??
LOL. Are you a spy for BoS?
I'm pretty sure the initial plan was for the notes to be from users with SS's between 45-50 but when put into practise it would be almost impossible for this site to generate enough users to fill the quotas for each subject. It doesn't really matter to be honest. Most people on this site don't complain; they see the free resources available to them and take full advantage of them.
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ok so when it says notes are from people with 45-50 study scores its wrong then
obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy?
I don't mind that they aren't all from students who gained 45-50 as I agree just because a student got a high study score doesn't mean their notes are the best, nor does it mean someone with a lower score has 'worse' notes. It's just interesting that it says they are when they are not...strange??
Obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy? Excuse you? Have you even LOOKED at any of the entries on the notes system? More than HALF of the notes submitted were from people who achieved study scores of 45-50. Considering that we're just starting out and only have ~40 individual files, that's more than 20 files and roughly more than 70 pages of 45-50 quality notes. I'd say that counts as "pages and pages of notes" submitted by students who obtained 45-50.
... I don't appreciate your tone, especially when you CLEARLY haven't bothered to research the notes. The 45-50 study score notes say so in their description (usually). I advise you not to insult my character like that again.
I have compiled a list of some of these notes for your ignorant pleasure:
There are roughly a dozen entries for Legal Studies from a person who got 50: - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=info&id=2 (I uploaded them on behalf of the person)
Biology notes AOS2 unit 4 - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=11
English Media Analysis Notes - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=52
Literature notes - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=19 and
Psych notes - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=18 and a 50 quality ERA: http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=17
MM CAS notes - 45 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=62 and http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=57
You want more?
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How come enwiabe gets so defensive so quickly? It's like my friend. She's so easy to wind up. It's actually pretty funny.
And for me, the notes are kinda pointless, because no one does my subjects (or in the case of Lit and Methods, you don't need notes).
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I guess it was the delivery of tia's concern... "obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy?"
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Aahh.... I guess there's a reason then. Skim reading is obviously, not always the way to go.
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Rietie, Costargh's on the money. "Obviously a cheap marketing ploy" insults me twice.
1) It calls me cheap. That's not so big, but
2) Calls me a liar. Goodbye calmness.
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If you use someone elses notes who got a 50, you would get a lower study score then you would have, if you did your owns notes. By doing your own notes you get better understanding of the course, but if you use them only as a guide I guess they would be beneficial.
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If you use someone elses notes who got a 50, you would get a lower study score then you would have, if you did your owns notes. By doing your own notes you get better understanding of the course, but if you use them only as a guide I guess they would be beneficial.
VCENotes offers members the opportunity to access a high standard of notes for various subjects. The way that members use the notes they have access to is entirely up to them. Let me remind you however that these notes often include key elements of a topic that some students tend to leave out or pay little attention to. Notes are of a high standard when they are based on the study design in VCE so keep in mind that the notes you have access to probably contain the most relevant information to your subject that could be the difference between a 35 and a 45.
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If you use someone elses notes who got a 50, you would get a lower study score then you would have, if you did your owns notes. By doing your own notes you get better understanding of the course, but if you use them only as a guide I guess they would be beneficial.
Yeah, the point is to put the resources out there. No one is telling you how to study. You should use the resources in a way that benefits yourself.
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ok so when it says notes are from people with 45-50 study scores its wrong then
obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy?
I don't mind that they aren't all from students who gained 45-50 as I agree just because a student got a high study score doesn't mean their notes are the best, nor does it mean someone with a lower score has 'worse' notes. It's just interesting that it says they are when they are not...strange??
Obviously a cheap attempt at a marketing ploy? Excuse you? Have you even LOOKED at any of the entries on the notes system? More than HALF of the notes submitted were from people who achieved study scores of 45-50. Considering that we're just starting out and only have ~40 individual files, that's more than 20 files and roughly more than 70 pages of 45-50 quality notes. I'd say that counts as "pages and pages of notes" submitted by students who obtained 45-50.
... I don't appreciate your tone, especially when you CLEARLY haven't bothered to research the notes. The 45-50 study score notes say so in their description (usually). I advise you not to insult my character like that again.
I have compiled a list of some of these notes for your ignorant pleasure:
There are roughly a dozen entries for Legal Studies from a person who got 50: - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=info&id=2 (I uploaded them on behalf of the person)
Biology notes AOS2 unit 4 - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=11
English Media Analysis Notes - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=52
Literature notes - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=19 and
Psych notes - 50 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=18 and a 50 quality ERA: http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=17
MM CAS notes - 45 - http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=62 and http://notes.vcenotes.com/?step=download&action=feedback&id=57
You want more?
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You really need to calm down and not get so defensive so quickly. If you took the time to actually consider my posts rather than jumping to the defense you would see I asked about the notes system and the statement first and received responses from others implying the statement was inaccurate. Then I commented that it was inaccurate, that this was strange and came to the conclusion that for the site to have an inaccurate statement on the main page there must be a reason - for example maybe it was a marketing tactic - as ASKED in my post. These were all reasonable assumptions based on information that this forum provided me - nowhere did I just jump to a conclusion before asking first. A simple "no, it's not a marketing ploy" would have sufficed and encoruage a friendlier community environment.
I'm actually not interested in you posting links to notes thanks as I clearly said in my previous post "I don't mind that they aren't all from students who gained 45-50 as I agree just because a student got a high study score doesn't mean their notes are the best, nor does it mean someone with a lower score has 'worse' notes."
btw what is BoS and why would I be a spy for them? Are they a tutoring company that sells notes or something?
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BoS, Bored of Studies, is another forum (but based more on the HSC). :)
Ignore enwiabe, he has no manners. Lol.
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Haha tia, you can play the victim all you want. The point is, you were the one being offensive, I responded in kind.
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No, it was you.
You started it.
No, I'm sure it was you.
It's your fault, shut up.
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Sorry.
I'm sorry too.
:D
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Schizophrenia, much? :P
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BoS, Bored of Studies, is another forum (but based more on the HSC). :)
Ignore enwiabe, he has no manners. Lol.
Thanks Toothpick :)
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No, it was you.
You started it.
No, I'm sure it was you.
It's your fault, shut up.
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Sorry.
I'm sorry too.
:D
LOL ;D
enwiabe is just a very proud person, who does not like to be beaten.
Tia dont get offended, he's usually better (sometimes)
VCENotes is a rip-off from BoS (a better version that is).
BoS also has notes, except they cost money.
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BoS doesn't have VCE Notes. They're only for HSC. They simply tacked a forum onto the end of their site to gain the monopoly. And yes, Mao is right, VCENotes isn't doing that much different from BoS, we just have faster servers and what I think is a more accessible notes system.
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lol enwiabe, not to restart the 'epic post', but I think that just about justifies my post..
Now Im confused
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lol enwiabe, not to restart the 'epic post', but I think that just about justifies my post..
Now Im confused
You're not the only one lolz
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lol enwiabe, not to restart the 'epic post', but I think that just about justifies my post..
How does it justify any of what you said? You said "hero members" are intimidating towards new members. That has no bearing on anything I said up there. :-/
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LOL he deleted his post. Oh well, the evidence is still there in the quotes!
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"You really need to calm down and not get so defensive so quickly. If you took the time to actually consider my posts rather than jumping to the defense"
Thats what i was talking about and obviously she was offended by you. She was also a new member and your post the other night was how to get new members involved. I think its people like you, that scare them of.
BTW, the only reason I deleted it, was because I didnt think that i should of said it publicly, as your freinds would support you and thats why I PM you.
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"scare them off"
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lol and that proves my point again.. SORRY COSTARGH..I MEANT OFF not OF...
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How ironic =P
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To be honest with you, daniel99, you don't know the full story about tia. Tia is *not* a new member. This person used to hold that same snide demeanour with me in a previous account. That's fine, she's perfectly entitled to act as bitchily as she wants to me so long as it's within the code of conduct. That post was well within said code and so was mine. I don't know why I'm being held to the double standard of "OMG YOU'RE ADMINISTRATOR THEREFORE YOU TOTALLY SHOULD NOT SHOW NEGATIVE EMOTIONS". I responded with annoyance to an insult on my character.
kk thx
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To be honest with you, daniel99, you don't know the full story about tia. Tia is *not* a new member. This person used to hold that same snide demeanour with me in a previous account. That's fine, she's perfectly entitled to act as bitchily as she wants to me so long as it's within the code of conduct. That post was well within said code and so was mine. I don't know why I'm being held to the double standard of "OMG YOU'RE ADMINISTRATOR THEREFORE YOU TOTALLY SHOULD NOT SHOW NEGATIVE EMOTIONS". I responded with annoyance to an insult on my character.
kk thx
ditto
and i dont get how "your freinds would support you" daniel99
for the record, we dont agree with enwiabe all that much (theres quite a story to that, but thats really irrelevant)
the fact is, you have branded "hero members" close to "pretentious" (in a way of speaking), in my opinion, that is more offensive than if we actually did intimidate new users...
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I'd still call myself new. I mean i've been around for a couple of months but I don't have a lot of posts and I wouldn't call myself a 'seasoned member'. In contrast to a lot of members i'm new.
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"You really need to calm down and not get so defensive so quickly. If you took the time to actually consider my posts rather than jumping to the defense"
Thats what i was talking about and obviously she was offended by you. She was also a new member and your post the other night was how to get new members involved. I think its people like you, that scare them of.
BTW, the only reason I deleted it, was because I didnt think that i should of said it publicly, as your freinds would support you and thats why I PM you.
Why did you PM me then?