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Administration => Site Discussion => Suggestions => Topic started by: costargh on April 03, 2008, 05:31:28 pm
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Currently about half of all members (around 400) have never posted and aprox 75% of people have less than posts.
I think it is in the best interests of the site if we can explore some ways to get members more involved with the forums.
So does anyone have any ideas on how to entice these lurkers out of the woods?
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get them to f'ing post more than 20 posts before they are allowed access to any notes, they are just free-loading sans contribution. I see retards who make quick accounts like 123456 so they can just download the notes.
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I'm not too fussed, to be honest. It's to help all people. Making people post is a tax on their time. So long as they're benefiting, that's fine with me. A community should not be forced. It will come, we're still growing. Around mid-years we'll get a massive influx, don't worry. If we're not up to a sizeable activity by the end of the year I will pursue more rigorous means of attracting active members.
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I condone enwiabe's viewpoint.
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I don't endorse any form of mandatory posting. Just incentives. But I can't think of anything that would work well. Ultimately the community will benefit more when there are more members contributing.
I condone enwiabe's viewpoint.
Reasons?
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I hate things being limited by # of posts. In my opinion the 50 posts to karma is too high, should be time based (maybe 1 week?) instead.
There is nothing wrong with lurking. If this site didn't force registrations, there'd be a much greater % of people posting :P
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That would be mandatory, costargh. Making people post to get the notes means MANDATORY posting before receipt of notes access. That's not something I want to puruse.
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I hate things being limited by # of posts. In my opinion the 50 posts to karma is too high, should be time based (maybe 1 week?) instead.
There is nothing wrong with lurking. If this site didn't force registrations, there'd be a much greater % of people posting :P
50 posts limit is because karma is a privilege. Only active members of the community should be able to rate others. It prevents people getting their friends from signing up and karma bashing, as well as keeping the ratings being given by members who have interacted in the community and are experienced contributors.
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When did I say that people should have to post to access the notes?
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... Fair enough! :P I think I managed to confuse you with droodles. Haha. My apologies.
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... Fair enough! :P I think I managed to confuse you with droodles. Haha. My apologies.
Lol thats alright. I kinda got confused there and had to read my own posts before reconfirming I made no such statement.
Also though, more active members would mean more potential for advertising revenue wouldn't it? So from a financial perspective, offering some form of "incentive" could be financially rewarding.
I'm thinking maybe access to editing name thingo on the side of posts... like if you make 100 posts you can change your name from "hero member" to "VCE ELITE???" LMAO I HAVE NO F-N IDEA... that sounds shit
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Heh. I'd been meaning to redo those stupid ranks. "Hero Member" sounds so lame. But yes, I do see what you mean and I think that that is a good idea. However, custom user titles would only be an incentive to those who are already a part of the community. The other problem with that is that it will encourage spam posts in order to get to the required post-level. I don't know what I could offer for extra posts that would be fair. More suggestions would be appreciated.
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... Fair enough! :P I think I managed to confuse you with droodles. Haha. My apologies.
lol enwaffle
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I hate things being limited by # of posts. In my opinion the 50 posts to karma is too high, should be time based (maybe 1 week?) instead.
There is nothing wrong with lurking. If this site didn't force registrations, there'd be a much greater % of people posting :P
50 posts limit is because karma is a privilege. Only active members of the community should be able to rate others. It prevents people getting their friends from signing up and karma bashing, as well as keeping the ratings being given by members who have interacted in the community and are experienced contributors.
Posting more does not correlate to being an active member of the forum :P, nor does it mean you appreciate less someone else's help/viewpoint
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Posting more does correlate to being an active member. That's kind of self-evident. You've also completely disregarded my other point about it being a privilege (a reward, if you will) for posting + a deterrent to karma bashing.
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I condone his views because I think setting any significant privileges after post counts just causes more unnecessary posts.
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This isn't really anything to do with "post count", but maybe some kind of reward for being online a certain amount of time? Not sure what though.
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Nah. You only have to leave your computer on to be online don't you?
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it really should depend on a karma count, for being a "recognised" member to the community, rather than "LOOK I SPAMMMMZZZZZ" or "LOOK I LURKZZZZ"
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mayb u should try some advertising other than just converting bos members :P i gave the web address to a few people from my school but none of them seem to have joined
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Nah. You only have to leave your computer on to be online don't you?
Nah. Apparantly you have to actively browsing, if you idle for more than 15 minutes it regards you as being offline (i think).
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mayb u should try some advertising other than just converting bos members :P i gave the web address to a few people from my school but none of them seem to have joined
I think that is an entirely differnt issue. We are trying to entice current members to become more active. We could have 10,000 members but if 75% of them (750) of them had more than 10 posts it wouldn't be that successful in my opinion.
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For the record, I found this site through Daniel's ENTER calculator (easily the best one out there). Maybe it should be more tightly integrated with the site?
Will definitely drive more traffic towards the site (although doesn't solve the activity issue)
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For the record, I found this site through Daniel's ENTER calculator (easily the best one out there). Maybe it should be more tightly integrated with the site?
Will definitely drive more traffic towards the site (although doesn't solve the activity issue)
That's interesting. Maybe it should be heavily promoted to get new members (yeh I know its a differnt issue)
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That is Daniel's creation. I don't particularly want to buy it/lease it as good as it is. I also think it's highly unfair and wrong to ask him to provide his hard work free of charge to my business entity. I'm more than happy to just have the affiliation going. One of my projects for next summer is to make my own one/get one made.
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I think that most people don't post that often becuase they feel inferior to 'hero members' and intimidated by them. An example of this is if you are not going to melbourne or monash uni you are a nobody and I dont think that im alone in thinking this.
"hero members" ostracise and intimidate most people and say/ask trivial questions about polls etc, which means nothing, and is pathetic.
if you want more people to post ,I'd suggest that 'superior' members, let them have their own goals and dreams and don't deprive them of it just because it does not meet your standards.
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... That post made no logical sense whatsoever. Hero Member WAS attained by getting 500 posts. "Goals and dreams" on a forum? What the hell? >_> I am having serious trouble making head or tails of this.
Anyway, the rankings have been changed to better reflect the kind of community that we are.
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Daniel, could you be more specific about what makes you feel intimidated?
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... That post made no logical sense whatsoever. Hero Member WAS attained by getting 500 posts. "Goals and dreams" on a forum? What the hell? >_> I am having serious trouble making head or tails of this.
Anyway, the rankings have been changed to better reflect the kind of community that we are.
how is that relevant in saying to become a hero member u need 500 posts. It does not justify your actions in treating Daniel99 in a demeaning mannerism. How can u have trouble in not understanding what he is saying, he speaks truthfully about the anguish he has suffered and has gathered the courage to face up to it.
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wth daniel99?
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They are just forum titles that are automatically dished out based on your post-count. They only serve to act as descriptors for your post-count, and nothing more. It doesn't imply any form of authority, only a number of posts. You needn't get so upset about it.
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... That post made no logical sense whatsoever. Hero Member WAS attained by getting 500 posts. "Goals and dreams" on a forum? What the hell? >_> I am having serious trouble making head or tails of this.
Anyway, the rankings have been changed to better reflect the kind of community that we are.
how is that relevant in saying to become a hero member u need 500 posts. It does not justify your actions in treating Daniel99 in a demeaning mannerism. How can u have trouble in not understanding what he is saying, he speaks truthfully about the anguish he has suffered and has gathered the courage to face up to it.
The anguish he has faced?
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This is a VCE forum. I have seen no bullying/intimidation that you speak of except that with which I have already dealt. I charge you to provide links to these posts causing such 'anguish'.
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... That post made no logical sense whatsoever. Hero Member WAS attained by getting 500 posts. "Goals and dreams" on a forum? What the hell? >_> I am having serious trouble making head or tails of this.
Anyway, the rankings have been changed to better reflect the kind of community that we are.
how is that relevant in saying to become a hero member u need 500 posts. It does not justify your actions in treating Daniel99 in a demeaning mannerism. How can u have trouble in not understanding what he is saying, he speaks truthfully about the anguish he has suffered and has gathered the courage to face up to it.
"Mannerism?"
What anguish? What suffering?
Enwiabe is saying... how can someone who has posted 500 times be more inclined to treat people in a "demeaning" way when the only reason they are a "hero member" is because of the number of posts they have made.
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Thanks Costa, shoulda mentioned that in my post.
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I think that most people don't post that often becuase they feel inferior to 'hero members' and intimidated by them. An example of this is if you are not going to melbourne or monash uni you are a nobody and I dont think that im alone in thinking this.
"hero members" ostracise and intimidate most people and say/ask trivial questions about polls etc, which means nothing, and is pathetic.
if you want more people to post ,I'd suggest that 'superior' members, let them have their own goals and dreams and don't deprive them of it just because it does not meet your standards.
Hmm "polls" ... are you talking about the SEAS thread?
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If he is referring to the SEAS post, then coblin's question was completely valid. Daniel99 set up the poll so that you could vote both 'yes' and 'no' at the same time. Only after I fixed it did that poll become logical. Daniel99, I'm going to advise that you don't make sweeping statements about respected, well-meaning members of this forum. You misconstrued coblin's intention, and that's okay, but I'd ask that you reconsider your stance in the posts above.
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I think the new ranking system is really cool.
And I like the idea of rewards or privileges as you go higher up in post count - like karma (awesome idea to whoever though of it).
And LOL to 'anguish'. I agree about being a bit intimidated by those who have high post counts, but once you start posting, you soon forget about it.
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Heh, I was trying to hint a fix to the poll's options in a sneaky way.
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I think the new ranking system is really cool.
And I like the idea of rewards or privileges as you go higher up in post count - like karma (awesome idea to whoever though of it).
And LOL to 'anguish'. I agree about being a bit intimidated by those who have high post counts, but once you start posting, you soon forget about it.
:D It'll also popularise the VN acronym and move it away from FSN, but shhhh that's an ulterior motive. :P
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This is a VCE forum. I have seen no bullying/intimidation that you speak of except that with which I have already dealt. I charge you to provide links to these posts causing such 'anguish'.
evidence, your blatant ignorance to your own obliviousness in what you are writing now is evidence. You merely disregard daniel's comment and state "it makes no logical sense". What becuase u dont understand it, it doesnt make sense. It's this reason why daniel is frustrated with people like yourself beacuse you do think your superior, hate to burst your bubble but your not
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This is a VCE forum. I have seen no bullying/intimidation that you speak of except that with which I have already dealt. I charge you to provide links to these posts causing such 'anguish'.
evidence, your blatant ignorance to your own obliviousness in what you are writing now is evidence. You merely disregard daniel's comment and state "it makes no logical sense". What becuase u dont understand it, it doesnt make sense. It's this reason why daniel is frustrated with people like yourself beacuse you do think your superior, hate to burst your bubble but your not
In terms of VCENotes hierarchial structure... he kinda is.
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This is a VCE forum. I have seen no bullying/intimidation that you speak of except that with which I have already dealt. I charge you to provide links to these posts causing such 'anguish'.
evidence, your blatant ignorance to your own obliviousness in what you are writing now is evidence. You merely disregard daniel's comment and state "it makes no logical sense". What becuase u dont understand it, it doesnt make sense. It's this reason why daniel is frustrated with people like yourself beacuse you do think your superior, hate to burst your bubble but your not
That didn't make sense.
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He can be -or seem to be- power hungry sometimes. Lol.
Besides that, I think daniel99 could be talking about the 'tone' of some of the posts? Actually, I'm not too sure.
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None of what daniel99 and clinton_09 have been saying have made much sense, really. :-/ Look, I don't hold anything against either of you. You've clearly picked a fight out of nothing. You've misconstrued intentions and exaggerated your reactions. The fact that you can't provide any evidence (I.E. links to posts) to back up what you're saying makes it clear that you're just grasping at straws. My advice to the both of you is to let it go. Seriously. :-/
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He can be -or seem to be- power hungry sometimes. Lol.
Thanks Toothpick. *bans*
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Back on topic. Perhaps a lot of members don't actually realise that there is this forum, or understand how good it actually is. IMO there would be a lot of people who sign up to get the notes, not even realising this forum exists. On the welcome page the forum is only briefly mentioned, so maybe a little more emphasis on the services that it gives may result in more people posting.
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Oh i get what daniel means but i think he just is taking things the wrong way, hmm i may have to point this out to him later >.<
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Back on topic. Perhaps a lot of members don't actually realise that there is this forum, or understand how good it actually is. IMO there would be a lot of people who sign up to get the notes, not even realising this forum exists. On the welcome page the forum is only briefly mentioned, so maybe a little more emphasis on the services that it gives may result in more people posting.
Yeh maybe that is the case where the forum plays second fiddle to the notes?
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Back on topic. Perhaps a lot of members don't actually realise that there is this forum, or understand how good it actually is. IMO there would be a lot of people who sign up to get the notes, not even realising this forum exists. On the welcome page the forum is only briefly mentioned, so maybe a little more emphasis on the services that it gives may result in more people posting.
Yeh maybe that is the case where the forum plays second fiddle to the notes?
Exactly
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I dont get how "hero memebers" (or whatever their current rank is) are intimidating.
we're just a bunch of people with strong opinions. surely people would realise that if you get in an argument with ANYONE, it'll be intimidating.
it just happens that these "hero members" here are generally well informed, and logic conscious: an "in my opinion" doesn't work here, logical fallacies gets treated even worse.
we dont dismiss issues because we assign things we dont like the title "doesnt make sense". if you make a claim without evidence, or present it in such a way that we dont understand it, or base it on "just because it is" (or other forms of circular definition, which are totally absurd), it makes it impossible for admins and mods to look into the matter
please, we want people involved, take this thread for example http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,2619.0.html
if you have any questions, we're happy to answer them where we can.
if you want to have a discussion, we're happy to participate where appropriate
but you cannot possibly assume that there are no harsh rebuttals.
a respected place in this community is like anywhere else, you cannot assume it, it has to be earned. coming in criticising is not the way to go.
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I understand where people are coming from:
All of us with the big posts counts know each other.
Therefore, we can do inside jokes etc
This can be interpreted as excluding everyone else, even though it's not intentional.
Most of the people here are relatively decent, which is why I havent left yet. :P
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Nah, you'll never be a part of us, mel. You never swear. :(
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Hmm I am an inherent lurker
The reason I don't post as much as I probably would is that apart from english my subjects are really marginal. And that in the other areas there are not enough people who post there for it to be worth my while. Having said that, it is interesting to read some of the general posts because questions that I have or have not yet thought of are usually answered.
So I guess a measure of activity is the time a person has been logged in. I am in my 22nd hour.. (yikes) and only 35 posts - but considered a "VN Newbie"
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No one does my subjects. Well apart from English (but no one does my books) and Methods. I only post in the threads not related to subjects.
I think there should be more said on the home page about the forum - something about getting advice and help from fellow VCE students and past VCE students in the forum.
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I don't have a problem with lurkers. They are a sizeable force on all forums.
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I think there should be more said on the home page about the forum - something about getting advice and help from fellow VCE students and past VCE students in the forum.
Yeah, i think that would be a huge drawcard for a lot of people.
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3.7% users account for 61.8% of total posts.
77% of users have less than 10 posts.
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How did you get the stats?
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i calculated it from the stats page
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I think that most people don't post that often becuase they feel inferior to 'hero members' and intimidated by them. An example of this is if you are not going to melbourne or monash uni you are a nobody and I dont think that im alone in thinking this.
"hero members" ostracise and intimidate most people and say/ask trivial questions about polls etc, which means nothing, and is pathetic.
if you want more people to post ,I'd suggest that 'superior' members, let them have their own goals and dreams and don't deprive them of it just because it does not meet your standards.
riiiight..
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I dont get how "hero memebers" (or whatever their current rank is) are intimidating.
we're just a bunch of people with strong opinions. surely people would realise that if you get in an argument with ANYONE, it'll be intimidating.
it just happens that these "hero members" here are generally well informed, and logic conscious: an "in my opinion" doesn't work here, logical fallacies gets treated even worse.
we dont dismiss issues because we assign things we dont like the title "doesnt make sense". if you make a claim without evidence, or present it in such a way that we dont understand it, or base it on "just because it is" (or other forms of circular definition, which are totally absurd), it makes it impossible for admins and mods to look into the matter
please, we want people involved, take this thread for example http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,2619.0.html
if you have any questions, we're happy to answer them where we can.
if you want to have a discussion, we're happy to participate where appropriate
but you cannot possibly assume that there are no harsh rebuttals.
a respected place in this community is like anywhere else, you cannot assume it, it has to be earned. coming in criticising is not the way to go.
I think the problem is... not everyone wants to argue. There are some topics that just seem to grow unnecessarily heated and, sometimes, adversarial. I avoid the 'politics' threads almost completely, and I even avoid threads made by particular people (I know I'm not the only person who does this). The thing is, I know to avoid them. New members trying to get their post count up don't. It can be very difficult to find your 'niche' in an online community if someone comes along to bite your head off.
It's not anyone's fault; the simple fact stands that in an environment with so many educated, driven and opinionated individuals, one can be intimidated.
Mao, let me just say: you don't scare me :P :D
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Sidenote: Someone's gotta change the clock on this thing...
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I dont get how "hero memebers" (or whatever their current rank is) are intimidating.
we're just a bunch of people with strong opinions. surely people would realise that if you get in an argument with ANYONE, it'll be intimidating.
it just happens that these "hero members" here are generally well informed, and logic conscious: an "in my opinion" doesn't work here, logical fallacies gets treated even worse.
we dont dismiss issues because we assign things we dont like the title "doesnt make sense". if you make a claim without evidence, or present it in such a way that we dont understand it, or base it on "just because it is" (or other forms of circular definition, which are totally absurd), it makes it impossible for admins and mods to look into the matter
please, we want people involved, take this thread for example http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,2619.0.html
if you have any questions, we're happy to answer them where we can.
if you want to have a discussion, we're happy to participate where appropriate
but you cannot possibly assume that there are no harsh rebuttals.
a respected place in this community is like anywhere else, you cannot assume it, it has to be earned. coming in criticising is not the way to go.
I think the problem is... not everyone wants to argue. There are some topics that just seem to grow unnecessarily heated and, sometimes, adversarial. I avoid the 'politics' threads almost completely, and I even avoid threads made by particular people (I know I'm not the only person who does this). The thing is, I know to avoid them. New members trying to get their post count up don't. It can be very difficult to find your 'niche' in an online community if someone comes along to bite your head off.
It's not anyone's fault; the simple fact stands that in an environment with so many educated, driven and opinionated individuals, one can be intimidated.
Mao, let me just say: you don't scare me :P :D
Well put! I'm inclined to agree with that statement. I'll go fix the clock now as well, thanks for the tip :P
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There is nothing wrong with being argumentative or serious about an issue. There is, however, something wrong with being judgemental, convicting on it, and making personal attacks (perhaps based on it).
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http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc
GOLLY GOSH! CHECK THE POSTS COUNT
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costa, relax.
there are always those accounts regardless of which forum you are on.
just gotta accept that there will always be people who won't embrace the community like us.
its much like enforcing absolutely everyone to have an opinion on global politics, unrealistic goal.
if newer users feels like they want to post/contribute, there is nothing stopping them, and we've seen quite a few of these recently. =)
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Yeh I hope. I just want this place to be big =( ...to fit with my big minded mentality =(
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Yeh I hope. I just want this place to be big =( ...to fit with my big minded mentality =(
give it time
a couple months ago we didnt even have enough for a march of the 300...
when viki comes online the growth should increase quite a bit
lets not get too ahead of ourselves and stick with realistic stuff =)
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I'm idealistic for the better or the worse =)
But true. This site has come far.
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out of interest how long has this site existed for?
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out of interest how long has this site existed for?
I think it's been less than a year. I first heard of it towards the end of last year, if I remember correctly. But if it's only been around since then, it's had quick growth...
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out of interest how long has this site existed for?
I think it's been less than a year. I first heard of it towards the end of last year, if I remember correctly. But if it's only been around since then, it's had quick growth...
absolutley, very quick growth, things can only get bigger
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I think it started around November 2007.
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out of interest how long has this site existed for?
Since October 19/20 (think 20th), 2007.
Enwiabe was planning to start it over the summer, but got fed up at BoS's slowness (sometimes >1 min page loads) and general bleh ness (think he got banned not very fairly for a bit) and started up the forum.
It changed into VCE notes a few months ago
costa: There are heaps of accounts with no posts due to the silly rule you have to register to view the forum, to be honest that would discourage me from coming here but it's not my site so 8)
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Yeah, you're right mel, the 19th. I remember dan showing me his vision of fsn and yeah I was one of the first peoples to join. Personally, I knew it would flourish and become a fantastic site. Toast to Dan! :D
"Date Registered: October 19, 2007, xx:xx:x PM" [go to my profile if you want to know when I exactly signed up, lazy bastard lol]