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VCE Stuff => VCE Business Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Business Management => Topic started by: _avO on August 04, 2010, 10:39:36 pm
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How many marks can I afford to lose in the exam to get a 45? I'm guessing no more then 5 marks? :o
Currently sitting rank 1 in BM (100% average) against a fairly weak cohort (average is maybe 70-75% with a few high scorers but no1 with 100%) :coolsmiley:
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probably like 4?
you're sitting in a good spot however exam is really important - i was ranked equal first with four people i think? 2 of them got 41 and one got 37, all because of exam
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omG that sounds so difficult to achieve xD, I guess i'll be spending my term 3 break soley on BM exams and Language exams
still it pisses me off that they changed the study design, exams might be totally different
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omG that sounds so difficult to achieve xD, I guess i'll be spending my term 3 break soley on BM exams and Language exams
still it pisses me off that they changed the study design, exams might be totally different
not as hard as you think.. if you're getting 100% for SACs then you should be confident with the course content and all you need to do is just learn how to answer the exam questions properly
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probably like 4?
you're sitting in a good spot however exam is really important - i was ranked equal first with four people i think? 2 of them got 41 and one got 37, all because of exam
Why does your sig say 46 then?
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He got 46, the other 3 with high sac marks for 41,41,37 o.0 scary
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omG that sounds so difficult to achieve xD, I guess i'll be spending my term 3 break soley on BM exams and Language exams
still it pisses me off that they changed the study design, exams might be totally different
not as hard as you think.. if you're getting 100% for SACs then you should be confident with the course content and all you need to do is just learn how to answer the exam questions properly
Yea but i'm thinking my teacher is sort of biased and marks me more leniently, so although I may be getting 100% it may not appear that I know all the content (in the amount of depth that I should be knowing)
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omG that sounds so difficult to achieve xD, I guess i'll be spending my term 3 break soley on BM exams and Language exams
still it pisses me off that they changed the study design, exams might be totally different
not as hard as you think.. if you're getting 100% for SACs then you should be confident with the course content and all you need to do is just learn how to answer the exam questions properly
Yea but i'm thinking my teacher is sort of biased and marks me more leniently, so although I may be getting 100% it may not appear that I know all the content (in the amount of depth that I should be knowing)
honestly the bm exam is not very concerned with the depths of the concepts. rather, it is more about structuring your response and including things that you need to attain full marks for that question (such as relating answer to case study, definition of key terms and the provision of an example)
there really is no "depth" to BM...
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Say for example I had to apply maslow's theory to a case study, to attain full marks (4 marks) what would I need to be doing?
I was thinking something like:
Identifying the theory (brief description [no more then 1 line] per level of need) <-- 2 marks?
Apply it to the case study and mayb link to organisational objectives<-- 2 marks?
Or am i missing something
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brief explanation of motivation
accurately explain the theory and apply it to the situation at hand
identify which levels need to be met and how this can be done - explain why you think the previous levels have been met and are not necessary to fulfill anymore
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Ah okay that last point explain why you think the previous levels have been met and are not necessary to fulfill anymore
I would have not done, cheers for the insight.
Neways i'm going off i'll see ya later
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Ah okay that last point explain why you think the previous levels have been met and are not necessary to fulfill anymore
I would have not done, cheers for the insight.
Neways i'm going off i'll see ya later
ah okay well yeah thats sort of an idea of where to expand on your answers
if you need to ask anything else dont hesitate
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107/120 got me a 43 in Business Management last year. That was with a Unit 3 mark of an A and a Unit 4 mark of an A+.
The course has only changed somewhat this year, previous examinations can still be used for revision at end of year.
I have referred to this story before to highlight how important the end of year exam is:
The boy at the top of our BM cohort was sitting on 99/100 for his combined U3 and 4 mark.
He got something like a B or B+ on the exam (the exact mark alludes me now) and he ended up
getting a mid 30 study score.
The moral of the story: the Exam is key. As long as you are ranked near the top of your cohort a 45
is achievable if you are able to do very well on the exam.
MBA
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Thanks a lot MBA, I do realise that the exam is more important, as business is really easy to achieve A+ in SACs. So hopefully enough practice on the old study design exams should be adequate enough to achieve a good result end of year
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110/120 got me 44 (Now that I'm thinking about it.. that 44 at the end of this year better be like 44.98). Weird how a 43 was 107/120. and yet a 50 was 115/120 last year .... It's just super competitive...don't screw a question up or risk getting below 45. Getting over 45 and below it are literally half a mark difference (and yes there can be half mark differences because there's two assessors and one could allow the mark and the other could not). So just be as precise as possible and you should be able to get the mark you deserve.
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Thanks a lot, BM is really competitive in order to get that 45 I realise now :/
Side note: I think if you got 44 last year then it will be scaled according to last years stats, not this years
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
I would so hate to get 44 instead of 45, no assembly announcement the year later...
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
I would so hate to get 44 instead of 45, no assembly announcement the year later...
I would so hate for someone to rub it in.... Don't make me wish a 44 upon you too! hahaha.
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
I would so hate to get 44 instead of 45, no assembly announcement the year later...
I would so hate for someone to rub it in.... Don't make me wish a 44 upon you too! hahaha.
hahaahaha
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110/120 got me 44 (Now that I'm thinking about it.. that 44 at the end of this year better be like 44.98). Weird how a 43 was 107/120. and yet a 50 was 115/120 last year .... It's just super competitive...don't screw a question up or risk getting below 45. Getting over 45 and below it are literally half a mark difference (and yes there can be half mark differences because there's two assessors and one could allow the mark and the other could not). So just be as precise as possible and you should be able to get the mark you deserve.
The half a mark thing is real annoying. Looking back at my statement of marks, I lost 4 marks from questions were one examiner gave me full marks and the other took one off. I.e: One gave 8/8 and the other gave 7/8.
MBA
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So basically your chance of a 45-50 is based on the two or three examiners' perception of how you explain the questions, where they can mark harshly and lets say another two or three random examiners might mark it more leniently. Can the system be so flawed as to have something like this happen?
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So basically your chance of a 45-50 is based on the two or three examiners' perception of how you explain the questions, where they can mark harshly and lets say another two or three random examiners might mark it more leniently. Can the system be so flawed as to have something like this happen?
Ask shilayli06 just to confirm what I'm saying, but if you get 55+/60 then you will get more examiners to check it, but otherwise it's just luck, hopefully they are all very aware of the guidelines though on what's required...
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So basically your chance of a 45-50 is based on the two or three examiners' perception of how you explain the questions, where they can mark harshly and lets say another two or three random examiners might mark it more leniently. Can the system be so flawed as to have something like this happen?
Ask shilayli06 just to confirm what I'm saying, but if you get 55+/60 then you will get more examiners to check it, but otherwise it's just luck, hopefully they are all very aware of the guidelines though on what's required...
No I don't think this happens.
How ever, if there is a big difference in the two examiners mark it goes to a third assessor.
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So basically your chance of a 45-50 is based on the two or three examiners' perception of how you explain the questions, where they can mark harshly and lets say another two or three random examiners might mark it more leniently. Can the system be so flawed as to have something like this happen?
Ask shilayli06 just to confirm what I'm saying, but if you get 55+/60 then you will get more examiners to check it, but otherwise it's just luck, hopefully they are all very aware of the guidelines though on what's required...
Yep. A third assessor is only involved if there is a difference of 2 marks. Regardless of whether its in the really high range or not. Nearly every question that I lost a mark on, one assessor allowed it and the other didn't. Yet in the end they ended up with a difference of one mark so it didn't get remarked. I think ANY difference should be remarked. And yes, sometimes it can be down to the bias of the assessor as to what they like and don't like, but for the majority the marking is quite fair.
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
study scores are always a whole number before scaling... you can't have a 44.98 raw score..
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
study scores are always a whole number before scaling... you can't have a 44.98 raw score..
really? I guess we'll see at the end of this year whether that's true cos I've been told otherwise. You just don't see what's after the decimal point until you see how it's been scaled with your entire atar..
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Haha no probs. I meant like hopefully it's 44.98 so at the end of this year it won't go down as much. probably down to 43 if I'm lucky, for some weird reason 2009 didn't get scaled down as much haha. Good luck for the rest of the year! Hope you get over 45.
study scores are always a whole number before scaling... you can't have a 44.98 raw score..
really? I guess we'll see at the end of this year whether that's true cos I've been told otherwise. You just don't see what's after the decimal point until you see how it's been scaled with your entire atar..
nah that's not true
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Just realised the exam is worth 65 marks (130 after doubling) this year (still 2 hrs though). With the new study design and the implementation of the 10 mark question (Change management-Kotter's theory) could you predict that you can drop more then 5 marks to still get 45? I'm predicting people will be put off or misinformed about the 10 mark question and end up screwing up so are chances of getting a higher SS possible?
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Just realised the exam is worth 65 marks (130 after doubling) this year (still 2 hrs though). With the new study design and the implementation of the 10 mark question (Change management-Kotter's theory) could you predict that you can drop more then 5 marks to still get 45? I'm predicting people will be put off or misinformed about the 10 mark question and end up screwing up so are chances of getting a higher SS possible?
I actually think with the new study design, Business Management would scale down less. :P
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The change of study design has no effect on the scaling. Rather, scaling is based on the group of students taking the subject.
Just realised the exam is worth 65 marks (130 after doubling) this year (still 2 hrs though). With the new study design and the implementation of the 10 mark question (Change management-Kotter's theory) could you predict that you can drop more then 5 marks to still get 45? I'm predicting people will be put off or misinformed about the 10 mark question and end up screwing up so are chances of getting a higher SS possible?
Holy crap. There's a 10 mark question now?... That sucks.
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Definitely, but if I practice hard and can memorise it then I will be at a great advantage