Post by: rubiks on August 09, 2010, 11:01:24 pm
Post by: akira88 on August 09, 2010, 11:05:06 pm
It'll all depend on the number of people who want to get into the course and their ATARs.
Post by: Cthulhu on August 09, 2010, 11:09:23 pm
Post by: Russ on August 10, 2010, 07:42:18 am
Post by: IntoTheNewWorld on August 10, 2010, 11:43:19 am
Post by: zhenzhenzhen on August 10, 2010, 01:43:10 pm
Post by: Gloamglozer on August 10, 2010, 02:18:04 pm
wasnt arts clearly in 91 or something
Arts was 89.00.
I would be surprised if it goes up again. If you're only a bit under you could easily get an offer anyway. The arts clearly in was 88 and my friend got a second round offer with an 85. Just some extra waiting and hoping :P
Wow. UoM rarely gives out second round offers and most of them are to Access Melbourne applicants. I guess quite a few arts students decided to defer or not take up the offer that year.
EDIT: If this was for last year, after looking at the stats, the Fringe ENTER was 82.80 so that could also be a factor.
Post by: Hutchoo on August 10, 2010, 04:40:38 pm
Post by: Gloamglozer on August 10, 2010, 04:48:36 pm
Can someone please explain this general degree before doing the preferred degree at UoM
What do you mean by the "preferred degree"? Do you mean post-graduate studies like medicine and law?
Post by: Russ on August 10, 2010, 04:52:20 pm
It was '08 entry btw (as in he did VCE in 2008)
e, yeah i'm pretty sure he does. basically you have to do a general degree before being allowed to study a more specific one. the general degree doesn't have to be done at UoM
Post by: happyhappyland on August 10, 2010, 07:57:45 pm
He could have been I guess, he might have qualified for the medical category but he never said anything about it.
It was '08 entry btw (as in he did VCE in 2008)
e, yeah i'm pretty sure he does. basically you have to do a general degree before being allowed to study a more specific one. the general degree doesn't have to be done at UoM
Cut off for science at UoM in 08 was 85...
Post by: Hutchoo on August 10, 2010, 08:04:34 pm
Can someone please explain this general degree before doing the preferred degree at UoM
What do you mean by the "preferred degree"? Do you mean post-graduate studies like medicine and law?
I've been told that you have to do a "general" degree before you do any other... something like that.
Post by: zhenzhenzhen on August 10, 2010, 08:22:12 pm
That is, if you want to study at UoM and UoM only, you have to do a "general" Bachelor of Arts, Arts(Media and Communication), Biomedicine, Commerce, Science, Music or Dance undergraduate degree, before you can do stuff like Veterinary, Medicine, etc.. as your postgraduate/Masters degree.
Reason being they have removed pretty much every undergraduate degree except for these and now only offer postgraduate degrees for the rest.
Undergraduate, postgraduate get it? :D
Though of course you CAN do degrees in other courses at other universities
Post by: laynie on August 10, 2010, 09:01:45 pm
He could have been I guess, he might have qualified for the medical category but he never said anything about it.
It was '08 entry btw (as in he did VCE in 2008)
e, yeah i'm pretty sure he does. basically you have to do a general degree before being allowed to study a more specific one. the general degree doesn't have to be done at UoM
Cut off for science at UoM in 08 was 85...
I would be surprised if it goes up again. If you're only a bit under you could easily get an offer anyway. The arts clearly in was 88 and my friend got a second round offer with an 85. Just some extra waiting and hoping :P
Post by: QuantumJG on August 10, 2010, 10:07:17 pm
Don't you mean
Post by: Edmund on August 10, 2010, 10:41:58 pm
Nah, Cthulhu's right
Don't you mean
Post by: rubiks on August 11, 2010, 06:12:48 pm
I would be surprised if it goes up again. If you're only a bit under you could easily get an offer anyway. The arts clearly in was 88 and my friend got a second round offer with an 85. Just some extra waiting and hoping :P
I don't really want to wait for a second offer, I heard you're better off going with your first round offer
Post by: zhenzhenzhen on August 11, 2010, 06:53:10 pm
then if you get a second round for what you want more, then accept that, cancel the first offer.
NEVER wait for second offer
Post by: Whatlol on August 11, 2010, 06:53:59 pm
Post by: rubiks on August 11, 2010, 08:05:04 pm
Post by: Gloamglozer on August 11, 2010, 11:06:56 pm
Guess I'll probably have to go for another uni then if thats true. oh well, can always put it in my preferences and hope for the best :D
That would be the best idea. You never know what might happen. For example, many people thought that the Clearly-In for B.Com at UoM would go up this year but instead, it dropped to many people's surprise.
Post by: Whatlol on August 11, 2010, 11:11:03 pm
Guess I'll probably have to go for another uni then if thats true. oh well, can always put it in my preferences and hope for the best :D
I put down science at Monash ( after Melbourne) , which is a very very nice fall back plan (=
Post by: Mulan on August 11, 2010, 11:17:38 pm
Post by: akira88 on August 11, 2010, 11:23:22 pm
how many uni courses can you put down? as much as you want? O:You're allowed 12 preferences :)
Post by: Gloamglozer on August 11, 2010, 11:23:33 pm
how many uni courses can you put down? as much as you want? O:
Maximum of 12 but to be considered for selection, you need to put down at least 1.
EDIT: Just beaten.
Post by: rustic_metal on September 09, 2010, 12:50:31 am
Can someone please explain this general degree before doing the preferred degree at UoM
What do you mean by the "preferred degree"? Do you mean post-graduate studies like medicine and law?
I've been told that you have to do a "general" degree before you do any other... something like that.
Nope, not really. They've just combined a lot of degrees, so instead of doing a "Bachelor of Economics" or a "Bachelor of Accounting," you'd do the new "Bachelor of Commerce" and pick what you want to do as your major. The only real difference with that system is that you can change what you want to do MUCH easier and have a far wider range of subjects to choose from.
The other key change is that some disciplines are only taught at postgraduate level, including med, law and eng. While it's possible to get into these postgrad courses without having done a relevant course, the vast majority of eng students will take an eng major in their science degree (it's just not recognised as a full qualification until you do the masters), most med students will do the bachelor of biomed and pick relevant majors, and most law students will do some law subjects as breadth in their bachelors. At most they'll add 1-2 years to your degree (my BSci + MEng is 5 years all up, compared to the normal, 4 year BEng).
Post by: cypriottiger on September 20, 2010, 12:02:06 am
btw, how much leeway does under-represented school status give me? 1-2 points? (my year is 28 people, 4 of which including me are aiming for melbourne)
Post by: Russ on September 20, 2010, 09:04:52 am
Post by: bridger on September 27, 2010, 10:02:40 pm
heres the page: http://bsc.unimelb.edu.au/
Post by: Stroodle on September 28, 2010, 02:29:29 am
350 additional places available in the Bachelor of Science in 2011.
Use 85, the approved minimum ATAR for entry, as a guide.
In 2011 the University will be offering 350 more Commonwealth Supported Places (CSPs) into the Bachelor of Science, reflecting an increase in the number of strong students who were admitted to the course in 2010.
Greater numbers of students, and their advisers, are recognizing the strengths of the BSc at the University, both in terms of providing an excellent and stimulating science foundation for a range of exciting career outcomes, and as a pathway to many graduate programs. 2010 saw a growth in the quality and quantity of applicants for the BSc, which resulted in the Clearly-in-Rank rising to 89.05.
With an increased quota for 2011 of 1500 CSPs, the University is keen to remind prospective students and their advisers that students should ensure they keep their options open during the VTAC preference period. It is important that students do not place undue weight on previous years’ Clearly–in-Ranks in determining what courses they give highest preference to. Clearly–in-Ranks are liable to vary significantly from year to year depending on the level of demand for individual courses and the number of places available. The minimum ATAR of 85.00 should be the figure that students are basing their decisions on, rather than the CIR from 2010, if considering applying for the Bachelor of Science for 2011.
Post by: Johnvay on September 29, 2010, 03:02:28 am
Post by: Gloamglozer on September 29, 2010, 07:48:56 pm
Is the actual clearly-in usually close to the 'minimum'?
From experience since the Model came into play, usually yes, except for last year for science. The minimum is really more important for international students rather than domestic students.
Post by: masonnnn on November 01, 2010, 07:32:49 pm
would be interesting to look into if there was some sneaky loophole.
Post by: Gloamglozer on November 02, 2010, 12:31:29 am
random question, there is no possible way to get into science at melbourne without methods, yes?
would be interesting to look into if there was some sneaky loophole.
For the standard VTAC start of year intake, no.
Post by: BilzaLM on November 07, 2010, 08:31:33 pm
Post by: Gloamglozer on November 08, 2010, 02:53:06 pm
So, in theory, an enter of 90 SHOULD be enough to get into Science at Melbourne?
I don't know what you mean by "in theory" but going by the minimum ATAR, yes. Getting 90+ should secure you a CSP place in B.Sci unless if you were in my year level.
Post by: BilzaLM on November 08, 2010, 04:56:58 pm
Post by: menashiiii on November 10, 2010, 05:56:50 pm
The minimum ATAR of 85.00 should be the figure that students are basing their decisions on, rather than the CIR from 2010, if considering applying for the Bachelor of Science for 2011.
YES! BSc 2011!!!
Doc. of Physio 2014!!!
Post by: QuantumJG on November 14, 2010, 10:48:56 am
My assumption is that this year it could hit 90 or even higher since it's the degree prospective engineers (the ENTER required for entry into BEng this year was ~96) and medical students (well they also have BBiomed but last year the minimum was 98 and may hit 99) are going to take, so the number of people wanting to go into science is going to grow by a fair bit.
Post by: Muuru on November 14, 2010, 04:56:53 pm
My assumption is that this year it could hit 90 or even higher since it's the degree prospective engineers (the ENTER required for entry into BEng this year was ~96) and medical students (well they also have BBiomed but last year the minimum was 98 and may hit 99) are going to take, so the number of people wanting to go into science is going to grow by a fair bit.
Yes, but keep in mind that we were still in the middle of the Global Financial Crisis this time last year, which obviously put strain on university places with heaps of kids rushing off to university to become more "employable." I'm predicting the class of '10 is going to have it much easier than the class of '08 and '09 with the clearly-ins easing somewhat, especially with generalist degrees like the BA and BSc.
But, of course, given the recent changes with the Melbourne Model, perhaps the clearly-ins won't change much at all. It's all a guessing game really, but I can't see the clearly-ins rising much if at all.
Post by: nbalakers24 on November 14, 2010, 05:08:49 pm
(the ENTER required for entry into BEng this year was ~96)
i dont think it was that high :S
Post by: IntoTheNewWorld on November 14, 2010, 05:53:32 pm
(the ENTER required for entry into BEng this year was ~96)
i dont think it was that high :S
Oh it was, it was. Apparently UoM like halved the number of places though.
Post by: Gloamglozer on November 15, 2010, 12:14:12 pm
(the ENTER required for entry into BEng this year was ~96)
i dont think it was that high :S
Oh it was, it was. Apparently UoM like halved the number of places though.
Yeah, for the final intake, I wouldn't be surprised if they halved the number of places. :(
I felt so sorry for the people in VCE last year, since when I finished VCE it was only ~85, this year it was ~89 (if I finished VCE last year and got my ENTER of 89.45 I would have been right on the edge).
My assumption is that this year it could hit 90 or even higher since it's the degree prospective engineers (the ENTER required for entry into BEng this year was ~96) and medical students (well they also have BBiomed but last year the minimum was 98 and may hit 99) are going to take, so the number of people wanting to go into science is going to grow by a fair bit.
With B.Sci, I don't think it will rise much more. I'm predicting that it will drop because they are offering more places. For example, in Commerce, I heard the reason why the Clearly-In dropped in for the Class of '09 is that they offered a few hundred more places.
Post by: berryy on January 08, 2011, 08:56:32 pm
higher than 08 because the course is in high demand
lower than 09 because of the extra spots
Post by: Choclit on January 09, 2011, 01:16:37 pm
Is this how it works?
Hmm
Post by: Peedles on January 09, 2011, 01:27:39 pm
Is first priority given to students with a clearly ATAR and Access Melbourne applicants? The Access applicants must get it because they are guaranteed (met all the requirements). So the remainder of the places are given to those below the clearly in ?
Is this how it works?
Hmm
I think it works like... Bachelor of Science has a quota of x amount of students. 1st priority is given to any National Scholars, Access Applicants, Kwong Lee Dow peeps, International Students above the minimum enter and finally all the approved seas applicants. Then the rest of the students will be considered until the quota is filled. The lowest ATAR out of the rest of the students, determines what the clearly in will be. No other student will be considered under the clearly-in, and in the case that vacancies do become available, consideration will be given to Seas applicants only.
And Yes, Prerequisites apply to everyone no matter what there "title is" so this must be met to be eligible for acceptance into the course, like all other courses.
Post by: Gloamglozer on January 09, 2011, 04:11:06 pm
Is first priority given to students with a clearly ATAR and Access Melbourne applicants? The Access applicants must get it because they are guaranteed (met all the requirements). So the remainder of the places are given to those below the clearly in ?
Is this how it works?
Hmm
I think it works like... Bachelor of Science has a quota of x amount of students. 1st priority is given to any National Scholars, Access Applicants, Kwong Lee Dow peeps, International Students above the minimum enter and finally all the approved seas applicants. Then the rest of the students will be considered until the quota is filled. The lowest ATAR out of the rest of the students, determines what the clearly in will be. No other student will be considered under the clearly-in, and in the case that vacancies do become available, consideration will be given to Seas applicants only.
And Yes, Prerequisites apply to everyone no matter what there "title is" so this must be met to be eligible for acceptance into the course, like all other courses.
Nobody can be sure except for the selection officers themselves and maybe some VTAC employees - though don't be too certain since VTAC only acts on the institutions behalf. When it comes to selection, the institutions have it their way.
I would imagine normal domestic students are considered last. I think in every course there will be a quota for international students and a quota for domestic students because that way there isn't an imbalance.
Also, keep in mind that second round offers work differently from other universities. UoM is the only university in Victoria that only gives out second round offers to Access Melbourne (SEAS applicants) only. No one else is considered so that's why very few second round offers are issued.
Post by: Choclit on January 09, 2011, 05:14:32 pm
but isnt Access applicants given the offer in first round? since it is guranteed?
Post by: Russ on January 09, 2011, 05:42:07 pm
Post by: Gloamglozer on January 09, 2011, 06:42:01 pm
Not all Access applicants will be guaranteed a spot...
Exactly that. Not all SEAS applicants are guaranteed a spot and in the second round at UoM, if there are any vacancies left, then only Access Melbourne (SEAS) applicants are considered.
At Monash, you have the middle band where if you have completed certain subjects, you get moved up the "list" and everyone is considered.
Post by: Choclit on January 09, 2011, 07:27:21 pm
Not all Access applicants will be guaranteed a spot...this is scary..
Post by: Gloamglozer on January 09, 2011, 07:42:57 pm
Not all Access applicants will be guaranteed a spot...this is scary..
Access Melbourne is just a fancy term that UoM uses to call SEAS applicants. Every other institution just calls them "SEAS applicants". The only Access Melbourne applicants that are guaranteed a spot are those who applied for:
- Category 5 (disadvantaged financial background)
- Category 6 (applicants from rural or isolated areas)
Either just one or both of those categories.
Post by: Choclit on January 09, 2011, 07:56:47 pm
Hey Gloam, how are you finding the science course?
Post by: dyaner on January 09, 2011, 09:48:28 pm
yeah i applied for one of those categories and obtained an ATAR above the minimum ATAR they wanted, i should be fine.. but just a bit worried and nervous for 17th jan. I hope i get into science! :) 8 days left till offers!
Hey Gloam, how are you finding the science course?
I'm on your boat. We should be alright, I called them up and gave them my VTAC ID number. They said "good news" so I suppose you should be fine too.
Post by: mikee65 on January 09, 2011, 10:12:48 pm
Wait, so if youre in one of those catagories and got >85, your guaranteed a place??yeah i applied for one of those categories and obtained an ATAR above the minimum ATAR they wanted, i should be fine.. but just a bit worried and nervous for 17th jan. I hope i get into science! :) 8 days left till offers!
Hey Gloam, how are you finding the science course?
I'm on your boat. We should be alright, I called them up and gave them my VTAC ID number. They said "good news" so I suppose you should be fine too.
Post by: simonhu81292 on January 09, 2011, 10:20:58 pm
yeah and provided that you have met all the prerequisites..
that's what they said on the phone
Post by: mikee65 on January 09, 2011, 10:25:05 pm
isn't it 78 for science?...I see, the minimum atar is 85, however it fluctuates usually higher, last years clearly-in was 89.05, evidently more places this year, will cause it to go down slightly
yeah and provided that you have met all the prerequisites..
that's what they said on the phone
Post by: simonhu81292 on January 09, 2011, 10:30:56 pm
lol....i am talking about the guaranteed~~isn't it 78 for science?...I see, the minimum atar is 85, however it fluctuates usually higher, last years clearly-in was 89.05, evidently more places this year, will cause it to go down slightly
yeah and provided that you have met all the prerequisites..
that's what they said on the phone
Post by: Russ on January 10, 2011, 10:21:05 am
Post by: menashiiii on January 10, 2011, 06:14:23 pm
yeah i applied for one of those categories and obtained an ATAR above the minimum ATAR they wanted, i should be fine.. but just a bit worried and nervous for 17th jan. I hope i get into science! :) 8 days left till offers!
Hey Gloam, how are you finding the science course?
I'm on your boat. We should be alright, I called them up and gave them my VTAC ID number. They said "good news" so I suppose you should be fine too.
phew, im not alone! yeh ive been a tad worried i wouldnt get it, but this reassures me a little
Post by: Gloamglozer on January 10, 2011, 07:36:25 pm
yeah i applied for one of those categories and obtained an ATAR above the minimum ATAR they wanted, i should be fine.. but just a bit worried and nervous for 17th jan. I hope i get into science! :) 8 days left till offers!
Hey Gloam, how are you finding the science course?
It's definitely not a choice I regret despite it not being my first preference. Of all the new generation degrees, I believe science is the most flexible - there are absolutely no compulsory subjects or compulsory band of subjects like they have in commerce, biomed and arts.