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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: happyhappyland on August 11, 2010, 09:40:22 pm
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In our school we have a very diverse distribution of marks among classes, with different teachers giving extreme marks, such as an B student getting an A and vice verse. Will sacs be scaled depending on each class? Only 3-4 essays from each class is crossmarked.
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I wonder this too... in my class, average english students get 50% ish and the brighter english kids with really good essays will receive maybe a B+ at most... A very rare, NEVER an A+.
whereas other classes, their teacher passes out A's and A+'s like cheap 5c candy
at my school, i know that for methods, at the end of the year, the head of maths sits down and averages out all the sac marks and determines a ranking. Then she gives you a % that she makes up depending on your ranking. so she says getting a C on a SUPER HARD sac could be equivalent to you getting an A+
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No, moderation is done as a school cohort. It is the schools responsibility to mark fairly and uniformly.
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No, moderation is done as a school cohort. It is the schools responsibility to mark fairly and uniformly.
As if vcaa doesn't reinforce this garbage... obviously schools aren't responsible enough to give everyone a fair chance
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And VCAA is?
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This bullshit... just cos some kids can't afford to pay 20k a year to go to a school that doesn't have dodgy teachers left right and center. fags
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This bullshit... just cos some kids can't afford to pay 20k a year to go to a school that doesn't have dodgy teachers left right and center. fags
I agree... English sacs should be worth less than 50% of study score...
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Yeah it's so frustrating!
My school thinks that by not giving the prompts/topics ahead of time, we will be better prepared for the exam. Uh, problem. There are 4 English classes and they don't all run at the same time. So people tell each other the topics, or people squeeze it out of them. They then have the night or two to practise. And then they are ranked against those who had actually done all the planning IN the allocated SAC time. And I know this girl who was apparently "sick", and the English teacher favours her- gave her ALL the prompts so she can read through them at home, and ALSO she's bloody doing her SAC 2 weeks after everyone else. Wtf.
I know you can't do anything about favouritism, and no one said that life is fair.... but seriously.
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Yeah it's so frustrating!
My school thinks that by not giving the prompts/topics ahead of time, we will be better prepared for the exam. Uh, problem. There are 4 English classes and they don't all run at the same time. So people tell each other the topics, or people squeeze it out of them. They then have the night or two to practise. And then they are ranked against those who had actually done all the planning IN the allocated SAC time. And I know this girl who was apparently "sick", and the English teacher favours her- gave her ALL the prompts so she can read through them at home, and ALSO she's bloody doing her SAC 2 weeks after everyone else. Wtf.
I know you can't do anything about favouritism, and no one said that life is fair.... but seriously.
this is deadest exactly what happens at my shcool.
we did the sac .. the teachers and other students told everyone else the topic/promt and then they had an extra week to study it. .. no bloody wonder they all got 25+/30 and we only got 15-20/30
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Yeah it's so frustrating!
My school thinks that by not giving the prompts/topics ahead of time, we will be better prepared for the exam. Uh, problem. There are 4 English classes and they don't all run at the same time. So people tell each other the topics, or people squeeze it out of them. They then have the night or two to practise. And then they are ranked against those who had actually done all the planning IN the allocated SAC time. And I know this girl who was apparently "sick", and the English teacher favours her- gave her ALL the prompts so she can read through them at home, and ALSO she's bloody doing her SAC 2 weeks after everyone else. Wtf.
I know you can't do anything about favouritism, and no one said that life is fair.... but seriously.
FKN SPOT ON BRO. this is the 1st and last time I will swear :P far out tht fkn feeling kills me; makes me explode. But then yh...I go to my moral checklist...and I belive in Karma so eventually those bastards will pay :knuppel2:
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hmm..... This is kinda true, however at my school the teachers would give the prompt/topic of the essay or context to those students who are 'lacking' or falling behind like a week in advance and yet they would still get 15-20/30!
regardless when I get it, I suprinsingly still do very well ( 28+/30) :S
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Yeah it's so frustrating!
My school thinks that by not giving the prompts/topics ahead of time, we will be better prepared for the exam. Uh, problem. There are 4 English classes and they don't all run at the same time. So people tell each other the topics, or people squeeze it out of them. They then have the night or two to practise. And then they are ranked against those who had actually done all the planning IN the allocated SAC time. And I know this girl who was apparently "sick", and the English teacher favours her- gave her ALL the prompts so she can read through them at home, and ALSO she's bloody doing her SAC 2 weeks after everyone else. Wtf.
I know you can't do anything about favouritism, and no one said that life is fair.... but seriously.
FKN SPOT ON BRO. this is the 1st and last time I will swear :P far out tht fkn feeling kills me; makes me explode. But then yh...I go to my moral checklist...and I belive in Karma so eventually those bastards will pay :knuppel2:
Hahaha yup karma will eventually get to them :) Pfft as if get the easy way out, why are they more special than everyone else?
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yeh at my school, all the y12 enlish teachers read each SAC and an average mark is given. this is a fair system
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Yeah it's so frustrating!
My school thinks that by not giving the prompts/topics ahead of time, we will be better prepared for the exam. Uh, problem. There are 4 English classes and they don't all run at the same time. So people tell each other the topics, or people squeeze it out of them. They then have the night or two to practise. And then they are ranked against those who had actually done all the planning IN the allocated SAC time. And I know this girl who was apparently "sick", and the English teacher favours her- gave her ALL the prompts so she can read through them at home, and ALSO she's bloody doing her SAC 2 weeks after everyone else. Wtf.
I know you can't do anything about favouritism, and no one said that life is fair.... but seriously.
Story of my life man, story of my life.
I swear English is the hardest subject to do well at in SACS. They moderate it on a 'bell curve' so sometimes you're unsure of how you actually did. My cohorts so hard.
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Yeah it's so frustrating!
My school thinks that by not giving the prompts/topics ahead of time, we will be better prepared for the exam. Uh, problem. There are 4 English classes and they don't all run at the same time. So people tell each other the topics, or people squeeze it out of them. They then have the night or two to practise. And then they are ranked against those who had actually done all the planning IN the allocated SAC time. And I know this girl who was apparently "sick", and the English teacher favours her- gave her ALL the prompts so she can read through them at home, and ALSO she's bloody doing her SAC 2 weeks after everyone else. Wtf.
I know you can't do anything about favouritism, and no one said that life is fair.... but seriously.
Story of my life man, story of my life.
I swear English is the hardest subject to do well at in SACS. They moderate it on a 'bell curve' so sometimes you're unsure of how you actually did. My cohorts so hard.
Hate english. I would be doing so much better if it was not compulsory. So dull and boring. They say we need to have english compulsory because we speak, read and write english in Australia, but I don' see the need for it. I mean what language are our other subjects taught in?
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Wow and to add to my frustration at the lack of strict monitoring at my school- that same girl I was talking about who got the prompts AHEAD OF TIME who is doing her sac MORE THAN 2 WEEKS AFTER EVERYONE ELSE has "prewritten" her essay, has had it proof read by her brother who is in uni, AND is going to copy it word for word onto her SAC. Not only is she already a reasonable English student- to have numerous advantages as well is just absurd. Don't even ask me how she hasn't been caught yet, if you know why, tell me so I can do something about it without seeming like a "dibber dobber". :@
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Wow and to add to my frustration at the lack of strict monitoring at my school- that same girl I was talking about who got the prompts AHEAD OF TIME who is doing her sac MORE THAN 2 WEEKS AFTER EVERYONE ELSE has "prewritten" her essay, has had it proof read by her brother who is in uni, AND is going to copy it word for word onto her SAC. Not only is she already a reasonable English student- to have numerous advantages as well is just absurd. Don't even ask me how she hasn't been caught yet, if you know why, tell me so I can do something about it without seeming like a "dibber dobber". :@
just relax and realise it is something out of your hands.. do the best you can do and worry about yourself, not others and you will be fine
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Wow and to add to my frustration at the lack of strict monitoring at my school- that same girl I was talking about who got the prompts AHEAD OF TIME who is doing her sac MORE THAN 2 WEEKS AFTER EVERYONE ELSE has "prewritten" her essay, has had it proof read by her brother who is in uni, AND is going to copy it word for word onto her SAC. Not only is she already a reasonable English student- to have numerous advantages as well is just absurd. Don't even ask me how she hasn't been caught yet, if you know why, tell me so I can do something about it without seeming like a "dibber dobber". :@
just relax and realise it is something out of your hands.. do the best you can do and worry about yourself, not others and you will be fine
nice response! :P
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Wow and to add to my frustration at the lack of strict monitoring at my school- that same girl I was talking about who got the prompts AHEAD OF TIME who is doing her sac MORE THAN 2 WEEKS AFTER EVERYONE ELSE has "prewritten" her essay, has had it proof read by her brother who is in uni, AND is going to copy it word for word onto her SAC. Not only is she already a reasonable English student- to have numerous advantages as well is just absurd. Don't even ask me how she hasn't been caught yet, if you know why, tell me so I can do something about it without seeming like a "dibber dobber". :@
just relax and realise it is something out of your hands.. do the best you can do and worry about yourself, not others and you will be fine
True that :)
I know it's out of my hands, but just pointing out something that really frustrated me :P
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Don't they moderate the sacs based on your result in your exam? Like, say if you get an A in English and mostly cs and ds in the sacs, don't they scale that up? Or that only applies in some subjects, like methods?
But I do hate it when we are always given like a few days to think about the sac prompt, I honestly thought that won't actually help us in the end of the year where there are no breaks you just keep writing. I work best when I keep writing otherwise I tend to change my opinions over time.
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But I do hate it when we are always given like a few days to think about the sac prompt
You get the prompt in advance! Whaaaat. That's amazing.
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You get the prompt in advance! Whaaaat. That's amazing.
That was my exact reaction in the beginning of the year!
But then, since I was always busy studying with other subjects, doing the planning or probably the whole essay itself tend to give me confusion because of the clashing of ideas in my head. That's why my opinion changed.