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Title: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Spreadbury on September 16, 2010, 01:50:56 pm
did a trial exam for school today, and I absolutely failed the first short answer. worth 3 marks, the question stated "Xander achieved a score of 59% on the multiple choice section of his exam, and 78% in the short answer section. In terms of measures of retention explain why xander achieved higher on his short answer section"

if the question were the other way round I would know it perfectly, but being higher with the short answer makes absolutely no sense to me. he obviously didn't relearn anything in the exam, unless he cheated, and recall is generally worse than recognition. can anyone answeer why his short answer section was better?
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: UncleXxx on September 16, 2010, 02:09:58 pm
because he actually did cheated, so he was just relearning the materials.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Russ on September 16, 2010, 03:02:26 pm
Haven't done VCE Psych for several years, but at a guess the multiple choice questions were a stimulus for recall?
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Spreadbury on September 16, 2010, 03:08:28 pm
Haven't done VCE Psych for several years, but at a guess the multiple choice questions were a stimulus for recall?

yeah the multiple choice questions did contain a stimulus for recall, which would dictate that he would perform HIGHER on multiple choice than short answer where he receives no stimulus for recall. but he got LOWER on multiple choice. perhaps i'm just not seeing something here but I know i'm not the only one at my school who stuffed this question up.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Russ on September 16, 2010, 03:28:30 pm
No i mean, the MCQs acted as a stimulus for recall for the SAQs. Hence why you're told to read the whole paper first up.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Spreadbury on September 16, 2010, 03:43:10 pm
No i mean, the MCQs acted as a stimulus for recall for the SAQs. Hence why you're told to read the whole paper first up.

legitimate point. unlikely answer in an exam though (in my opinion) and the multiple choice are not necessarily relevant to the short answer Q's, but the multiple choice options given with a multiple choice question contain at least one specifically relevant answer.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Visionz on September 16, 2010, 04:28:08 pm
Seems for him recall was more sensitive than recognition.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Russ on September 16, 2010, 05:21:03 pm
No i mean, the MCQs acted as a stimulus for recall for the SAQs. Hence why you're told to read the whole paper first up.

legitimate point. unlikely answer in an exam though (in my opinion) and the multiple choice are not necessarily relevant to the short answer Q's, but the multiple choice options given with a multiple choice question contain at least one specifically relevant answer.

Yeah I agree, it's not a great answer but it's all I can think of other than it being a mistake in the paper.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: sillysmile on September 18, 2010, 11:07:49 pm
I do remember from last semester, that people who are dominant for the right hemisphere are generally better at short answer then multiple choice, and left hemisphere dominant people are generally better at multiple choice then short answer (or is it the other way around?) although this stuff isn't from this unit, it's still legit.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: sillysmile on September 18, 2010, 11:08:40 pm
but tbh, yeah it sounds like a screwed up question.. perhaps your teachers didn't realise.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: masonnnn on October 04, 2010, 08:14:51 pm
they could try arguing that multiple choice is solely based on recognition and the short answer required him to think deeper and process memories that were all from relearning.
that's a poorly done question though.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Chromeo33 on October 04, 2010, 10:48:06 pm
It's probably a mistake.
Our school completed a NEAP exam for trials and the exam had "Memory" questions in the "Learning" section so it seems quite possible that the Xander question might've been a clear mistake by the person who wrote that exam.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Spreadbury on October 04, 2010, 11:27:23 pm
got the results back today, apparently I got two marks for it out of 3. You needed to mention recall and recognition (NOT relearning). distracters should have been mentioned in regards to doing poorly on the multiple choice (which I failed to mention) and I mentioned cued recall for the short answer section.

I find it funny that in both psych classes at my school the class average was either C or below *cough* chairman mao *cough*
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: 8039 on October 05, 2010, 07:57:33 pm
It doesn't ask you which type of question people generally perform better on. It asks you to explain why he performed better on the short answer question using technical terms.

Remember that in the actual real-life experiment for multiple choice vs short answer memory tests, a small percentage performed worse on multiple choices than short answers.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Chromeo33 on October 05, 2010, 11:32:11 pm
It doesn't ask you which type of question people generally perform better on. It asks you to explain why he performed better on the short answer question using technical terms.

Remember that in the actual real-life experiment for multiple choice vs short answer memory tests, a small percentage performed worse on multiple choices than short answers.

Yep, good point
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Spreadbury on October 06, 2010, 12:24:31 am
it just went against everything the text book tells you about recognition and relearning. was quite a shock of a question.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: Glockmeister on October 06, 2010, 01:38:41 am
I do remember that question actually - if I recall it was thought to be a dodgy one then too.
Title: Re: bulls*** question in NEAP?
Post by: kazzacae on October 06, 2010, 10:03:21 pm
rubbish question