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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English & EAL => Topic started by: physics on October 20, 2010, 07:47:24 pm
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:( just wondering about ppls weak points.
i fail at text response. ugh to COSI.
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Text response or Context, can't seem to decide which one I suck at more >.<
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Context. I find text response most natural, and language analysis is just formulaic.
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Context. I find text response most natural, and language analysis is just formulaic.
couldn't agree more
Text response = knowledge of text/proving your contention via evidence/two topics
Language Analysis = Everything is right in front of you/3 simple techniques (analyse technique, what this does, how it affects the reader)
Context = 1 prompt/must adjust to it (extremely difficult for creative writer's like myself who have left it too late to change to persuasive and expo.)
so yep... context will be the death of me!
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Context.
There's just too much freedom... you don't know if you're doing it the right way, or the wrong way. Or a way that scores a higher mark.
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EZ youll fkn blitz it man. no need to worry for u
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Agreed. EV is this year's 50 student.
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You say that like there is only one. ?
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personally .
language analysis
context is ma shiz .. only sac i scored highly on.
Text response . scores pretty well too ( 43/50)
but language analysis
fml 15/20
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Agreed. EV is this year's 50 student.
I dunno, I haven't put in enough work I think - too much distraction, sigh.
Also, I reckon scoring well in ANY VCE exam isn't really entirely based on ability - it's also about luck and on-the-day performance, as well as how well it all "clicks" in terms of the exam content.
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Context is the most difficult IMO. And I agree that it's just too general - I'll be haunted by self-doubt over that part of the exam...
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
Agreed.
I spent 3 hours on a essay .. full planned it out ... took my time . checked it 100 times..
handed it in to teacher .. she said it was complete SHIT .. i got approx 20/50 for it
Then did one at 2.30 am .. no planning .. was falling sleep ... She gave me 49/50 and it became a sample perfect for all the other classes..
Fml .... so inconsistent .. this happens all the time
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
Agreed.
I spent 3 hours on a essay .. full planned it out ... took my time . checked it 100 times..
handed it in to teacher .. she said it was complete SHIT .. i got approx 20/50 for it
Then did one at 2.30 am .. no planning .. was falling sleep ... She gave me 49/50 and it became a sample perfect for all the other classes..
Fml .... so inconsistent .. this happens all the time
:( i get that a lot :( lets hope everything goes in favour of me on the exam and all the topics are favaourable to me muahahsahha
eg of ym shitty cosi essay :(
“Though Cosi is a comedy, the real massgaes are deeply significant” discuss.
Cosi is a semiautobiographical play written by Louis Nowra in the 1970s. It is a play that captures the world of Cosi Fan Tutte, an opera written by Mozart. Cosi is a drama about an inexperienced director, Lewis, who chooses to gain experience in directing a play with mental patients from a Melbourne Institution. Through the farce and comedy of Cosi, there are controversial messages which are deeply significant to modern audiences. Nowra displays his opinion through his characters as they are placed in dilemmas and difficult situations throughout the plot of the play.
Cosi was written in the era when hippies began influencing Melbourne with its concept of free love. They taught that love was something to give everyone and rejected the idea of commitment and loyalty. Cosi condemns those who do not believe that relationships require fidelity and commitment. Lucy, Lewis’ girlfriend does not believes in free love which results in the breakdown of their relationship. Lucy claims that they are “not married” so it is acceptable to “have sex with” his friend and to “sleep with” him because they are different things. Lewis concludes that “as both [Nick and Lucy] were not into fidelity.” Nowra expresses his idea that partners who do not show their commitment to one another will not have long lasting relationships. He describes the significance of fidelity as an essential aspect in everyday relations.
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I generally get the lowest score for text response out of the three sections, so I guess that is my weakest.
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context is the worst thing alive
no idea how to approach any of its ideas
all the ideas i think of are too simple
especially in the context of 'identity and belonging'
anyone wanna assists me -_-
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
Agreed.
I spent 3 hours on a essay .. full planned it out ... took my time . checked it 100 times..
handed it in to teacher .. she said it was complete SHIT .. i got approx 20/50 for it
Then did one at 2.30 am .. no planning .. was falling sleep ... She gave me 49/50 and it became a sample perfect for all the other classes..
Fml .... so inconsistent .. this happens all the time
ROFL that sounds exactly like me. Every time i hand something in that i'm really confident about i end up doing so shit. But when i reluctantly hand in rushed and effortless work, my teacher gives me really good marks. I HATE THAT!! It makes me seem like those people who go "i failed man" and then end up getting A+'s (you know what im talking about)
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Why couldn't I vote for all three options? :P
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context is the worst thing alive
no idea how to approach any of its ideas
all the ideas i think of are too simple
especially in the context of 'identity and belonging'
anyone wanna assists me -_-
I agree... Identity and Belonging is just cliched and generic trash. Absolute trash.
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I agree... Identity and Belonging is just cliched and generic trash. Absolute trash.
WUT? I LOVE I&B... its the only section i can write on properly that requires little to no thought as it just flows out of your mind like the river nile
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
Agreed.
I spent 3 hours on a essay .. full planned it out ... took my time . checked it 100 times..
handed it in to teacher .. she said it was complete SHIT .. i got approx 20/50 for it
Then did one at 2.30 am .. no planning .. was falling sleep ... She gave me 49/50 and it became a sample perfect for all the other classes..
Fml .... so inconsistent .. this happens all the time
ROFL that sounds exactly like me. Every time i hand something in that i'm really confident about i end up doing so shit. But when i reluctantly hand in rushed and effortless work, my teacher gives me really good marks. I HATE THAT!! It makes me seem like those people who go "i failed man" and then end up getting A+'s (you know what im talking about)
Didn't get an A+ the entire year in SACs despite practising pretty hard. Once it came to the SAC for my 2nd text response text which I did not study whatsoever since I wanted to focus on my first one, I finally get an A+. FML.
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It makes me seem like those people who go "i failed man" and then end up getting A+'s (you know what im talking about)
They're called 'cunts'
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The English exam will eat you up and spit you out! Haha JKS, it's not that bad..if you studied enough.
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
Agreed.
I spent 3 hours on a essay .. full planned it out ... took my time . checked it 100 times..
handed it in to teacher .. she said it was complete SHIT .. i got approx 20/50 for it
Then did one at 2.30 am .. no planning .. was falling sleep ... She gave me 49/50 and it became a sample perfect for all the other classes..
Fml .... so inconsistent .. this happens all the time
ROFL that sounds exactly like me. Every time i hand something in that i'm really confident about i end up doing so shit. But when i reluctantly hand in rushed and effortless work, my teacher gives me really good marks. I HATE THAT!! It makes me seem like those people who go "i failed man" and then end up getting A+'s (you know what im talking about)
Didn't get an A+ the entire year in SACs despite practising pretty hard. Once it came to the SAC for my 2nd text response text which I did not study whatsoever since I wanted to focus on my first one, I finally get an A+. FML.
That happened to me as well. I was studying for Chinese and really did not do any English and got an A+. Whereas the others I study and get lower ROFL Let's hope we're all lucky on Thursday
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The English exam will eat you up and spit you out! Haha JKS, it's not that bad..if you studied enough.
No that's actually exactly what I'm expecting from that darn evil paper.
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ENGLISH IS BIAS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THE END.
Agreed.
I spent 3 hours on a essay .. full planned it out ... took my time . checked it 100 times..
handed it in to teacher .. she said it was complete SHIT .. i got approx 20/50 for it
Then did one at 2.30 am .. no planning .. was falling sleep ... She gave me 49/50 and it became a sample perfect for all the other classes..
Fml .... so inconsistent .. this happens all the time
I've seen a similar thing happen in my own essays. The essays which I write within an hour are of much better quality than the one I use two hours to write. So the quality of your essays is inversely proportional to the time you spend writing it? xD
But I think there's are valid reasons for it
~ You're so much mroe concise when you're writing under time pressure. Whereas when you plan it fully, you are very prone to redundant plot-summary and saying much more than you need to. When you don't give yourself time constraints, your argument moves too slow since you are trying to be as indepth as possible. Whereas under exam conditions, you write only what you need to because you are trying to finish ASAP. See, you always feel as if you are missing something when you write under time constraints, but its not alawys beneficial to include every detail you can. Basically the mindset that you have to cram everything you can into the essay is detrimental to the qualtiy of your essays.
~ You write much more fluently under time constraints. The exam essay is a single train of thought, whereas with a 3-hour essay your thinking has to restart every sentence.
context is the worst thing alive
no idea how to approach any of its ideas
all the ideas i think of are too simple
especially in the context of 'identity and belonging'
anyone wanna assists me -_-
I also feel that my context is my weakest section, but not because of the reasons that other people say. Writing context is actually more natural to me than writing text response because all I do is explain my own concepts, and I don't think it's too general. It's addressing the prompt with its specific implications and not going off on a tangent that is challenging to me. I know I can write ideas that are deep enough, it's just they aren't always pertinent to the prompt.
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context is the worst. have no idea whether or not what im doing is a 9/10 or a 4/10.
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I generally get the lowest score for text response out of the three sections, so I guess that is my weakest.
Same. I guess it's just because I've only read the texts once, and I only know parts of the texts.
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Okay I'm going to go a bit off topic, but in "Recent Unread Topics" next to this thread, there is a sad face! How and why does this pop up? Sometimes I see a smiley face too, but most of the time it is the generic icon of a stack of papers. LOL I sound like such a noob... but I've been wondering about it for a while now :P
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Text response, because you actually have to read the book
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Language analysis. Definitely
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At the Start of the Year if you had asked me, i would have said the easiest would be:
Language Analysis-Text Response-Context
Now it's
Context-Text Response-Language Analysis.
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
not unless you have pre-planned, easily modifiable answers ;)
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
not unless you have pre-planned, easily modifiable answers ;)
seeing as you pretty much raped your enter, what kind of idea did you use for context?
this is something that i need help with BAD!
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
not unless you have pre-planned, easily modifiable answers ;)
seeing as you pretty much raped your enter, what kind of idea did you use for context?
this is something that i need help with BAD!
Context was Identity and Belonging. Ideas used: micheal jackson (how he changed his appearance from black to white), muslim women and the pressure to ban the burqua: note that this is an on going issue, so even you can shove that into your essay, then some bullshitting about general social issues of fitting in the community but discussion focused mainly on witness.I wrote ~1100 words.
Overall, i managed to pull a 40 raw.
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
not unless you have pre-planned, easily modifiable answers ;)
seeing as you pretty much raped your enter, what kind of idea did you use for context?
this is something that i need help with BAD!
Context was Identity and Belonging. Ideas used: micheal jackson (how he changed his appearance from black to white), muslim women and the pressure to ban the burqua, then some bullshitting about general social issues of fitting in the community but discussion focused mainly on witness.I wrote ~1100 words.
Overall, i managed to pull a 40 raw.
How were your sacs?
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
not unless you have pre-planned, easily modifiable answers ;)
seeing as you pretty much raped your enter, what kind of idea did you use for context?
this is something that i need help with BAD!
Context was Identity and Belonging. Ideas used: micheal jackson (how he changed his appearance from black to white), muslim women and the pressure to ban the burqua: note that this is an on going issue, so even you can shove that into your essay, then some bullshitting about general social issues of fitting in the community but discussion focused mainly on witness.I wrote ~1100 words.
Overall, i managed to pull a 40 raw.
im so screwed. I began doing my context essays (enc. conflict) a few days back, got sick, and now its 6 days till exams and i havent written 1 full one yet :|
im doing creative as well... so that rids of all possibilities of doing real world examples.
fml
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COntext is most difficult. But my weakest atm is text response coz forgot everything in the book. lol. .... fml
not unless you have pre-planned, easily modifiable answers ;)
seeing as you pretty much raped your enter, what kind of idea did you use for context?
this is something that i need help with BAD!
Context was Identity and Belonging. Ideas used: micheal jackson (how he changed his appearance from black to white), muslim women and the pressure to ban the burqua, then some bullshitting about general social issues of fitting in the community but discussion focused mainly on witness.I wrote ~1100 words.
Overall, i managed to pull a 40 raw.
How were your sacs?
sem 1: A+ (med)
sem 2: A (high) - teacher found that i was using same ideas for context, but what can you do? lol
exam: A+
Note: im not actually saying that you should pre-plan your essays, ofcourse you need to make sure that your essay relates to the question and don't deviate from the topic either (pretty sure you've heard this a hundred times). It's just that i got lazy..which is why my sem2 SAC marks were bad..
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you must have performed under par on your exam... receiving all A> throughout the year, writing 1100 words in context, and only managed a 40 raw? (still a sick ass score dont get me wrong lol)
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Kotza...
Read through some of the TSFX sample essays that I posted a thread about..
For the 2 context SACs this year, I did one as an opinion piece and one as a speech. Both were not high A+ standard... I wasn't happy with them at all. Not even the slightest.
So for the past week or two, I've practised doing expository essays. I'm not sure if they fit more in the expository or the persuasive side of essay writing... but the point is, these are the ONLY essay-form context pieces I have done all year... and I can already sense that I'll get better marks for these kind of pieces.
So I highly suggest you take up an essay format of context writing if you're struggling to flesh out your ideas in creative writing.. essays have a given structure, and you can be far more explicit and clear with your point of view. Now is the time to start practising essays if you haven't already started... but I guess we have been taught essay writing from year 7.. so yeah, it shouldn't be hard to pick up on it.
And besides, the textual reference can appear far more explicit (if that is what you are aiming for).
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you must have performed under par on your exam... receiving all A> throughout the year, writing 1100 words in context, and only managed a 40 raw? (still a sick ass score dont get me wrong lol)
lol i was praying that i would get at least a 35, since my cohort was sub-shitty - so i was over the moon with a 40.
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you must have performed under par on your exam... receiving all A> throughout the year, writing 1100 words in context, and only managed a 40 raw? (still a sick ass score dont get me wrong lol)
lol i was praying that i would get at least a 35, since my cohort was sub-shitty - so i was over the moon with a 40.
Fark... 40 is GOOD AS MAN. I'm on my knees hoping for a 38+ and i've done tonnes of practice essays, still shit. Ceebs memorising lol
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as you would be lol
my cohort is pathetic.. literally pathetic.
average for the last SAC was 21/50, 42%!!!!!! :| :| :|
however my teacher expects me to get a 43 ... which is asking for a bit much but yea, i guess thats what you get for leaving a school that gets 40% of its kids getting over 90 to a school that gets <10% lol. ):
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you must have performed under par on your exam... receiving all A> throughout the year, writing 1100 words in context, and only managed a 40 raw? (still a sick ass score dont get me wrong lol)
lol i was praying that i would get at least a 35, since my cohort was sub-shitty - so i was over the moon with a 40.
Fark... 40 is GOOD AS MAN. I'm on my knees hoping for a 38+ and i've done tonnes of practice essays, still shit. Ceebs memorising lol
lol no shit dude, but if i was averaging over A's all year, id be looking towards the mid section!
thats when cohort and all that complicated unequal shit comes into play though.
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I'm definitely memorising for context, pretty sure anything >1000 words (that makes sense) will get me a 7/10, which is what I want essentially.
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A memorised context essay will not get you a 7/10... unless you can seriously pull off the reworking of the essay..
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memorizing is very risky, but highly rewarding if your lucky with the questions they give you. i seriously doubt anyone has ever written an original piece on the day - surely there must have been some sort of recall. my point was to modify your ideas to fit the question; not to commit memorized written diarrhea.
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I've got chunks of stuff memorised (probably 50-100ish words per chunk?). i just slot them in and make it flow. They probably would fit in 90% of i&b prompts.
The chunks usually consist of a broad sentence, an expansion on the broad idea, examples from both texts, comparing and contrasting.
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A memorised context essay will not get you a 7/10... unless you can seriously pull off the reworking of the essay..
So...you don't believe methodsman got A+?
memorizing is very risky, but highly rewarding if your lucky with the questions they give you. i seriously doubt anyone has ever written an original piece on the day - surely there must have been some sort of recall. my point was to modify your ideas to fit the question; not to commit memorized written diarrhea.
lol obviously you have to fit in the prompt, and can't write exactly what you've memorised...unless the same prompt pops up. WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME.
and my writing is not diarrhea (it actually smells worse) thank you very much :p
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A memorised context essay will not get you a 7/10... unless you can seriously pull off the reworking of the essay..
So...you don't believe methodsman got A+?
memorizing is very risky, but highly rewarding if your lucky with the questions they give you. i seriously doubt anyone has ever written an original piece on the day - surely there must have been some sort of recall. my point was to modify your ideas to fit the question; not to commit memorized written diarrhea.
lol obviously you have to fit in the prompt, and can't write exactly what you've memorised...unless the same prompt pops up. WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME.
and my writing is not diarrhea (it actually smells worse) thank you very much :p
To be honest.
I have this ONE story for context
which i adjust to EVERY prompt ive done so far.
There is no need for me to waste time thinking of ideas when ive already memorized the intro and first 3 paragraphs .. all i gotta do in each prompt is simply ... adjust the ending to fit
easy :)
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the smart people that say their worried makes me 1000000000000000000times more worried.
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context is one where you probably could just regurtitate 95% of something you've already done and just alter a couple of words/sentences here and there and still walk away with a 7 or something.
the prompts are just so broad and ambiguous; and anyway, i do an expos and the only original bits in my essays are my intros and conclusions, topic sentences, concluding sentences, and when im discussing an example i try to tailor it to the prompt.
But essentially, ive written like 5 different expository essays and im just sick of them, my core discussion is the same in just about every essay, just using the same quotes and examples.
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the smart people that say their worried makes me 1000000000000000000 times more worried.
I'm seriously getting worried.... this time should be spent doing hardcore study for English.. but I'm here. LOL.
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I'm seriously getting worried.... this time should be spent doing hardcore study for English.. but I'm here. LOL.
This has been the story of my life for the past week.
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For the creatives, it's true that you can memorise your essay kind of and rework it.
But I personally like to start from scratch for expository, risk having a mental blank. Never memorized before, but I have learnt aspects of each section and tried to revise them.
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All sections of this exam!! :-[
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What about writing about three different essay on the same article for language analysis practice.
That way you vary your writing style?
Or would that be a no no?
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Context for sure.
No idea if what the hell im writing about most of the time.