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Title: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: stonecold on October 26, 2010, 08:28:13 am
Thoughts?

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/exams/examcovers/Oct_Nov_2010/2010chem2-cov.pdf&embedded=true&chrome=true

The exam 1 must have been so easy that they need more separation, so exam 2 is now worth more marks to get this. 

Unless Exam 2 is ridiculously hard or something, you will probably need nearly full marks on both exams for 50.

:(
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: taiga on October 26, 2010, 08:45:24 am
yeah, but your logic sucks

if there are more marks => more distribution => more chance of getting 50
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: stonecold on October 26, 2010, 08:50:34 am
yeah, but your logic sucks

if there are more marks => more distribution => more chance of getting 50

yeah, thats what I initially thought, but then I thought this.

too many people with full marks on exam 1.  they need more separation.

how do you get more separation?

with more marks.  the higher the number of marks, the greater the chance of people losing marks.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: yuuhei on October 26, 2010, 09:54:13 am
wow.. ain't it usally like 75ish marks?
Well.. I gave up on chem. Got C+ on exam 1 (leave me alone  :'() and not going to bother for maybe an extra .4 or so as I know that it won't be in my top 4.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: matt123 on October 26, 2010, 09:57:40 am
WTF ITS OUT OF 82?

i swear every exam ever has been out of 75.

Honestly .. thats really good.

it means that the A+ will be approx 89% like usual.
and you can drop more marks ... and still get an A+

I like.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: tram on October 26, 2010, 10:00:34 am
WTF ITS OUT OF 82?

i swear every exam ever has been out of 75.

Honestly .. thats really good.

it means that the A+ will be approx 89% like usual.
and you can drop more marks ... and still get an A+

I like.

seconded, it means careless mistakes are less bad
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: Greggler on October 26, 2010, 10:02:10 am
hooray - gay tricks in MC wont hurt us that much
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: matt123 on October 26, 2010, 10:03:22 am
WTF ITS OUT OF 82?

i swear every exam ever has been out of 75.

Honestly .. thats really good.

it means that the A+ will be approx 89% like usual.
and you can drop more marks ... and still get an A+

I like.

seconded, it means careless mistakes are less bad

Yeah exactly.

Only problem is
since there are 9 short answer questions.
they will probably test us on EVERY single thing lulz.

my pick would be

2 electrolysis
1 environment shit ( turbine electricity etc etc )
1 Find the Ka + ph question
2 EQM questons
1 galvanic question
1 Find the amount of amps/time/electrons question
1 find the energy question

:)
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: InitialDRulz on October 26, 2010, 10:38:41 am
Well the thing is, people say that 'based on the mid year exams, they upped the marks for competition' and so forth. You do realise that they wrote this exam LAST YEAR right?

Doesn't mean anything, i mean physics last year for both exams were apparently a 'breeze', so anything goes on this one as well.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: 2317 on October 26, 2010, 11:22:00 am
WTF ITS OUT OF 82?

i swear every exam ever has been out of 75.

Honestly .. thats really good.

it means that the A+ will be approx 89% like usual.
and you can drop more marks ... and still get an A+

I like.

seconded, it means careless mistakes are less bad

Yeah exactly.

Only problem is
since there are 9 short answer questions.
they will probably test us on EVERY single thing lulz.

my pick would be

2 electrolysis
1 environment shit ( turbine electricity etc etc )
1 Find the Ka + ph question
2 EQM questons
1 galvanic question
1 Find the amount of amps/time/electrons question
1 find the energy question

:)

There are 8 not 9 short answer questions :)

Are all exams written last year?  :o
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: matt123 on October 26, 2010, 11:45:35 am
WTF ITS OUT OF 82?

i swear every exam ever has been out of 75.

Honestly .. thats really good.

it means that the A+ will be approx 89% like usual.
and you can drop more marks ... and still get an A+

I like.

seconded, it means careless mistakes are less bad

Yeah exactly.

Only problem is
since there are 9 short answer questions.
they will probably test us on EVERY single thing lulz.

my pick would be

2 electrolysis
1 environment shit ( turbine electricity etc etc )
1 Find the Ka + ph question
2 EQM questons
1 galvanic question
1 Find the amount of amps/time/electrons question
1 find the energy question

:)

There are 8 not 9 short answer questions :)

Are all exams written last year?  :o

Sorry.
well in that case.
only 1 electrolysis question.

Hmmm ... I thought the end of year was written in march? but im probably wrong.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: Greggler on October 26, 2010, 01:05:26 pm
just hope its like chem mid year last year. long, but quite accesible for those that actually study

unlike the mid year which did not reward efforts and preparation but your exam taking mindset on the day
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: stonecold on October 26, 2010, 01:13:32 pm
Well the thing is, people say that 'based on the mid year exams, they upped the marks for competition' and so forth. You do realise that they wrote this exam LAST YEAR right?

Doesn't mean anything, i mean physics last year for both exams were apparently a 'breeze', so anything goes on this one as well.

If it was that bad, they can change it if they have to.  Why else would they change the mark allocation.  I reckon no shit, over like 100 people got full marks on the mid year...
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: yuuhei on October 26, 2010, 01:20:38 pm
just hope its like chem mid year last year. long, but quite accesible for those that actually study

unlike the mid year which did not reward efforts and preparation but your exam taking mindset on the day

+1 !!!
haha.. I wasn't so lucky in mid years...  :(
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: Mao on October 26, 2010, 01:23:46 pm
Guys, do realise this. VCE Chem has moved towards being slightly easier conceptually, and much longer. They ask a fair few obvious questions here and there that just gives marks away, at the expense of reading thirty novels worth of stimulus material. Calculations are no longer the primary focus. This is to attract biochemists into universities because.. well, we need more biochemists.

These days the focus is on timing and finishing the exam. The real separation is going to be between the fast ones from the slower ones.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: Studyinghard on October 26, 2010, 03:02:08 pm
These days the focus is on timing and finishing the exam. The real separation is going to be between the fast ones from the slower ones.

im liking this
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: stonecold on October 26, 2010, 03:10:56 pm
These days the focus is on timing and finishing the exam. The real separation is going to be between the fast ones from the slower ones.

im liking this

Dumb mistakes are the biggest killer...
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: toshibaj on October 26, 2010, 03:32:59 pm
If it was that bad, they can change it if they have to.  Why else would they change the mark allocation.  I reckon no shit, over like 100 people got full marks on the mid year...

Is that actually true? It seems kind of high. But then again, I know five kids from my school alone who full marked it so...
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: stonecold on October 26, 2010, 03:35:44 pm
If it was that bad, they can change it if they have to.  Why else would they change the mark allocation.  I reckon no shit, over like 100 people got full marks on the mid year...

Is that actually true? It seems kind of high. But then again, I know five kids from my school alone who full marked it so...

Nah, I made it up, but I certainly think there will be a few.  I possibly went overboard. :P
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: taiga on October 26, 2010, 03:35:53 pm
If it was that bad, they can change it if they have to.  Why else would they change the mark allocation.  I reckon no shit, over like 100 people got full marks on the mid year...

Is that actually true? It seems kind of high. But then again, I know five kids from my school alone who full marked it so...

this guy full marked it btw everyone, hes doing tutoring for 25$ an hour next year, aced all 3 of his mid years get on it!
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: toshibaj on October 26, 2010, 03:51:09 pm
If it was that bad, they can change it if they have to.  Why else would they change the mark allocation.  I reckon no shit, over like 100 people got full marks on the mid year...

Is that actually true? It seems kind of high. But then again, I know five kids from my school alone who full marked it so...

this guy full marked it btw everyone, hes doing tutoring for 25$ an hour next year, aced all 3 of his mid years get on it!

lol you exaggerate. i love the random shit you say on vcenotes "taiga".
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: menashiiii on October 26, 2010, 05:32:05 pm
A cutoff will be lowered???
if so
baby i like it
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: masonnnn on October 26, 2010, 06:20:17 pm
82... such an awkward number.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: tram on October 26, 2010, 06:30:24 pm
82... such an awkward number.

LOL i actually had exactly the same though which was followed up with: why couldn't they jsut make it 81? it's a much nicer number (square/quartic)
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: ladyy on November 01, 2010, 05:26:31 pm
wow.. ain't it usally like 75ish marks?
Well.. I gave up on chem. Got C+ on exam 1 (leave me alone  :'() and not going to bother for maybe an extra .4 or so as I know that it won't be in my top 4.

ON EXACT SAME BOAT
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: Xavier1234 on November 02, 2010, 01:56:28 am
wow.. ain't it usally like 75ish marks?
Well.. I gave up on chem. Got C+ on exam 1 (leave me alone  :'() and not going to bother for maybe an extra .4 or so as I know that it won't be in my top 4.

sammee! high five co-losers in mid year chem!
but seriously i wanted to cry when i saw c+.

ON EXACT SAME BOAT
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 08:58:23 am
If it was that bad, they can change it if they have to.  Why else would they change the mark allocation.  I reckon no shit, over like 100 people got full marks on the mid year...

Is that actually true? It seems kind of high. But then again, I know five kids from my school alone who full marked it so...

Nah, I made it up, but I certainly think there will be a few.  I possibly went overboard. :P

I highly, highly doubt that 100 people got full marks. There were only 107 last year for the physics midyear, and the cutoff was massive (95.5%). If there were a similar number of 100%'s, then you'd expect a similar cutoff, percentage-wise. Thus, as the cutoff was below 90%, it is fair to assume that there were significantly less people who aced it.

As the cutoff has more than doubled (10% rather than 4.5%), I'd say that the number of full markers would reduce by a factor of four, so ~26-27 - though obviously the number is not directly dependent on the cutoff.
Title: Re: Exam 2 out of 82 marks. VCAA obviously screwed up with Exam 1
Post by: ladyy on November 02, 2010, 10:45:06 am

sammee! high five co-losers in mid year chem!
but seriously i wanted to cry when i saw c+.


haha hi5 buddy -___- same here, i went through a grieving period for my mark haha.