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Title: What's the better txtbk out of these 2:
Post by: Inside Out on October 28, 2010, 08:58:05 pm
what do you think is better for bio 3/4: nature of biology or heinammen biology
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Post by: iNerd on October 28, 2010, 08:58:19 pm
Nature of Biology.
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Post by: slothpomba on October 28, 2010, 08:59:17 pm
I use nature of biology and i think it really is a fantastic book for the most part, follows the study design near perfectly. Lots of examples and pictures which is good if you get bored easily/ have a short attention span like me.

I hear the heinemann one is full of errors.

(disclaimer: never even opened a heinemann book)
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Post by: Inside Out on October 28, 2010, 09:09:51 pm
oh crap. my school is changing to Heinnamen next year... *cries*
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Post by: pi on October 28, 2010, 09:12:09 pm
i find both equally boring... buy biozone as a supplement. it has the best examples.
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Post by: masonnnn on October 28, 2010, 09:14:06 pm
we use the nature of biology...
i used it for about the first 3 chapters of questions and haven't looked at it for the rest of the year... :P
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Post by: pi on October 28, 2010, 09:20:50 pm
we use the nature of biology...
i used it for about the first 3 chapters of questions and haven't looked at it for the rest of the year... :P

same attitude here. probs why i only got an A on the exam (only did one practice exam... lol)

studied for this one though
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Post by: happyhappyland on October 28, 2010, 09:35:53 pm
I used hienamen because it was well structued but i always refered to my nature of biology book for certain concepts.

i never found the biozone book useful but i still did them.
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Post by: onerealsmartass on October 28, 2010, 09:44:58 pm
i find both equally boring... buy biozone as a supplement. it has the best examples.
i never realised how helpful biozone is until i actually opened it and read through it as revision last week
the diagrams are great, the explantions and definitons are also good but the best thing is it contains information that the major tesxtbooks dont (:
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Post by: stonecold on October 28, 2010, 09:47:48 pm
i find both equally boring... buy biozone as a supplement. it has the best examples.
i never realised how helpful biozone is until i actually opened it and read through it as revision last week
the diagrams are great, the explantions and definitons are also good but the best thing is it contains information that the major tesxtbooks dont (:

I 100% agree.  I didn't touch it for ages, then two weeks ago read the whole thing.  Learnt so much.  It really does go into the right amount of detail, and the diagrams are great.  I wouldn't reccomend doing the questions though, they are a waste of time.

And NOB>Heinemann

Heinemann is okay, but it just doesn't go into genetic engineering anywhere near close enough.  The evolution part also uses the old naming system if I remember correctly.
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Post by: shinny on October 28, 2010, 09:52:14 pm
Nature of Biology has everything in it, but its got perhaps too many examples and the information isn't presented in a particularly friendly manner to rote learn from. Stuff is just all over the place and its very wordy. Its good to clarify things from though. With that said, adding some sort of book of notes helps a lot since they generally have all the concepts and information that needs to be rote learned in tables and such and so can be used to rote learn from. Then add in the Biozone book which prepares you for exam-style questions as opposed to pure theory questions like you see in NoB, and you should be set.
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Post by: slothpomba on October 28, 2010, 11:24:03 pm
I found there is a lot of crap to trudge through and little tid bits of information here and there.... i thought it was all crap.... some if it is actually useful though, ive found they dont tend to make up a *huge* range of examples to use in examination questions.... sometimes the examples in the exam are similar or the same concepts to the examples in nature of biology....*i found this on midyear... forgot the question*...

As a general rule skip the first 2 or 3 pages of each chapter... total padding mostly
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Post by: Inside Out on October 29, 2010, 06:35:39 pm
which book are u talking about kingpomba?
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Post by: HERculina on October 30, 2010, 02:54:11 pm
wat about Nelson biology book? has anyone used that.
 and has anyone retained their unit 1 biology notes they could upload for me :)
(more so on animal systems than cell structure)
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Post by: shinny on October 30, 2010, 03:21:00 pm
Nelson is far better at explaining concepts than NoB is, but it has less examples and detail. I'd recommend getting an ebook copy of it to refer to for stuff you don't really understand or want elaboration on.
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Post by: herzy on October 30, 2010, 03:31:15 pm
nelson i feel doesn't go into enough depth. it's ok as a class-room text, or a reference text, but i feel one would be disadvantaged if they didn't at least read through NOB...

can't comment on biozone, but i did fine using the two above (predominately NOB, but as revision and while tutoring this year i have seen a lot more of nelson, and have read both cover-cover)
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Post by: pi on October 30, 2010, 03:34:01 pm
Nelson is far better at explaining concepts than NoB is, but it has less examples and detail. I'd recommend getting an ebook copy of it to refer to for stuff you don't really understand or want elaboration on.

+ Biozone


I also did the neap book (for exam prep), apparently it is written by the guy who writes the real bio exam
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Post by: slothpomba on October 30, 2010, 04:37:17 pm
which book are u talking about kingpomba?
NoB
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Post by: thushan on November 02, 2010, 06:28:04 pm
Nelson is far better at explaining concepts than NoB is, but it has less examples and detail. I'd recommend getting an ebook copy of it to refer to for stuff you don't really understand or want elaboration on.

+ Biozone


I also did the neap book (for exam prep), apparently it is written by the guy who writes the real bio exam

Hugh Latimer? He's the chief examiner, not the chief exam writer. The chief exam writer cannot teach year 12, nor write any books, nor teach prep lectures, etc.
Title: Re: What's the better txtbk out of these 2:
Post by: pi on November 02, 2010, 07:01:54 pm
Nelson is far better at explaining concepts than NoB is, but it has less examples and detail. I'd recommend getting an ebook copy of it to refer to for stuff you don't really understand or want elaboration on.

+ Biozone


I also did the neap book (for exam prep), apparently it is written by the guy who writes the real bio exam

Hugh Latimer? He's the chief examiner, not the chief exam writer. The chief exam writer cannot teach year 12, nor write any books, nor teach prep lectures, etc.


my bad


neap was still helpful though