Post by: 10weid on November 02, 2010, 11:14:56 am
so i got 38/40 in the first paper, and 73/80 in the seecond.. stupid last question... where does this leave me in terms of a study score?
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 11:16:58 am
Post by: qshyrn on November 02, 2010, 11:19:16 am
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on November 02, 2010, 11:19:40 am
9 marks lost this year should equate to about 45 I think, since the papers were harder.
Thats way too high lol
Post by: 10weid on November 02, 2010, 11:20:35 am
Post by: EvangelionZeta on November 02, 2010, 11:22:11 am
how about 15-17 lost overall?
Probably 37-40, same as what I'm looking at. :3
Post by: jackchan1993 on November 02, 2010, 11:23:37 am
33/40
68/80
Post by: qshyrn on November 02, 2010, 11:25:40 am
can some 1 predict my score...judging from waht EZ said, i think 34-36
33/40
68/80
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on November 02, 2010, 11:25:46 am
can some 1 predict my score...
33/40
68/80
35-38?
Post by: Stormer on November 02, 2010, 11:29:07 am
70/80?
About 40?
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on November 02, 2010, 11:30:41 am
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 11:41:02 am
Anyone want to predict mine? :D
Exam1: 35/40
Exam 2: 75/80
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on November 02, 2010, 11:42:11 am
I guess you just go by gut feelings + people discussing the solutions on VN you get a rough idea?
Anyone want to predict mine? :D
Exam1: 35/40
Exam 2: 75/80
50. no. not kidding
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 11:46:36 am
9 marks lost this year should equate to about 45 I think, since the papers were harder.
Thats way too high lol
Lolwat?
Sudden change of heart?
I guess you just go by gut feelings + people discussing the solutions on VN you get a rough idea?
Anyone want to predict mine? :D
Exam1: 35/40
Exam 2: 75/80
50. no. not kidding
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 11:49:03 am
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on November 02, 2010, 11:52:34 am
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 11:54:20 am
Post by: byr0003 on November 02, 2010, 11:54:39 am
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 11:56:19 am
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 11:59:01 am
40/40 andd 85/80?
Post by: 98.40_for_sure on November 02, 2010, 11:59:46 am
I wrote my own question, so how about;
40/40 andd 85/80?
Too far...
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 12:01:44 pm
At least this is the time to have fun and postulate magnificent study scores, cos once the results come in. well bleh.
Post by: Linkage1992 on November 02, 2010, 12:07:22 pm
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 12:25:01 pm
how about 40/40 then 70/80??
~41-43
Depending on how the state faired on exam 2.
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 12:26:34 pm
What about me? B for sacs which may scale up, high A+ for exam 1 and high B+/low A for exam 2?
I guess If your SACs scale to a High A you'd get about 36-38 ish.
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 12:27:48 pm
I wrote my own question, so how about;
40/40 andd 85/80?
Mmmm, maybe 45? I've heard this year's exams were considered easy with many people getting >110% for exam 2.
Post by: taiga on November 02, 2010, 12:41:13 pm
Post by: Linkage1992 on November 02, 2010, 12:42:22 pm
What about me? B for sacs which may scale up, high A+ for exam 1 and high B+/low A for exam 2?
I guess If your SACs scale to a High A you'd get about 36-38 ish.
fingers crossed then!
Post by: lovingit on November 02, 2010, 01:45:28 pm
Last year these marks would have given me about 40 but since this years exam was quite a bit harder I'm hoping they will give me around a 42-43.
Post by: Chavi on November 02, 2010, 01:58:19 pm
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 01:59:46 pm
How about 37/40 and 72/80 and an A+ sac average?
Last year these marks would have given me about 40 but since this years exam was quite a bit harder I'm hoping they will give me around a 42-43.
How do you know last year you would've gotten 40?
I know theres this statistical report they release, and if you got your info from that; could you please link me too? :)
Post by: kyzoo on November 02, 2010, 02:06:02 pm
How many marks can u drop to still get a 50??
1 mark?
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 02:07:10 pm
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 02:08:42 pm
m@tty i want to kill you, take that sig off right now.
M@tty Dude, don't steal taiga's thunder.
Post by: sajib_mostofa on November 02, 2010, 02:09:06 pm
Post by: taiga on November 02, 2010, 02:12:16 pm
Post by: Chavi on November 02, 2010, 02:16:22 pm
So it's as tight as Further?How many marks can u drop to still get a 50??
1 mark?
I thought that in the past you could afford to drop 3 marks across both exams for a 50 . . . .
Post by: lovingit on November 02, 2010, 02:30:41 pm
I don't know exactlyHow about 37/40 and 72/80 and an A+ sac average?
Last year these marks would have given me about 40 but since this years exam was quite a bit harder I'm hoping they will give me around a 42-43.
How do you know last year you would've gotten 40?
I know theres this statistical report they release, and if you got your info from that; could you please link me too? :)
but last year the A+ cutoff (i.e. 39 raw) allowed you to lose 12.5 marks
if i've lost 11 im assuming it would have beena round 40 last year which I'm hoping will be 42-43 this year
Post by: kyzoo on November 02, 2010, 02:32:57 pm
you can drop up to 3-4 for a 50 over both exams I think.
I doubt that...despite what ppl say about Spesh being hard, it's only just slightly less strict than Methods.
5 marks lost is already a 47 so... =/
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 02:39:55 pm
Quote
I don't know exactly
but last year the A+ cutoff (i.e. 39 raw) allowed you to lose 12.5 marks
if i've lost 11 im assuming it would have beena round 40 last year which I'm hoping will be 42-43 this year
Let's hope so! I think I lost the same as you over both exams, but with a different split and my aim has been 43 raw.
Post by: Chavi on November 02, 2010, 02:40:18 pm
But 3 marks, a+ Sacs, and #1 ranking in a strong cohort? Can that still scrape a 50 this year?you can drop up to 3-4 for a 50 over both exams I think.
I doubt that...despite what ppl say about Spesh being hard, it's only just slightly less strict than Methods.
5 marks lost is already a 47 so... =/
Post by: kyzoo on November 02, 2010, 02:45:52 pm
But 3 marks, a+ Sacs, and #1 ranking in a strong cohort? Can that still scrape a 50 this year?you can drop up to 3-4 for a 50 over both exams I think.
I doubt that...despite what ppl say about Spesh being hard, it's only just slightly less strict than Methods.
5 marks lost is already a 47 so... =/
Ok to be honest, I have no idea =/
Personally I'm not really that optimistic about my own chances (I'm in similar position to you, except for #1 ranking lol) since I was too optimistic for Methods last year =/
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 02:46:49 pm
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 02:47:03 pm
But 3 marks, a+ Sacs, and #1 ranking in a strong cohort? Can that still scrape a 50 this year?you can drop up to 3-4 for a 50 over both exams I think.
I doubt that...despite what ppl say about Spesh being hard, it's only just slightly less strict than Methods.
5 marks lost is already a 47 so... =/
I think you(I'm presuming it's you) still have a fighting chance at 50. I think the state didn't handle the exams as well this year as in previous years.
Post by: Chavi on November 02, 2010, 02:49:14 pm
Mate I know how you feel. Last year it was a bittersweet 48 for me too :)But 3 marks, a+ Sacs, and #1 ranking in a strong cohort? Can that still scrape a 50 this year?you can drop up to 3-4 for a 50 over both exams I think.
I doubt that...despite what ppl say about Spesh being hard, it's only just slightly less strict than Methods.
5 marks lost is already a 47 so... =/
Ok to be honest, I have no idea =/
Personally I'm not really that optimistic about my own chances (I'm in similar position to you, except for #1 ranking lol) since I was too optimistic for Methods last year =/
But Spec generally allows more leeway for lost marks than methods no?
Post by: kyzoo on November 02, 2010, 02:55:23 pm
Post by: Nixernator on November 02, 2010, 03:35:10 pm
Post by: mitcharr on November 02, 2010, 05:19:54 pm
Post by: CharlieW on November 02, 2010, 07:41:23 pm
i guess 3 in exam 1 is ok, coz its not weighted as much
if u lost them in exam 2 u might get a 49
depends tho, this year was slightly harder than last year, so maybe 3 marks lost is 50
Post by: sajib_mostofa on November 02, 2010, 07:43:17 pm
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 09:13:44 pm
guy at our school last year got 37/40 and 80/80 over both exams, top sac marks he got 50
i guess 3 in exam 1 is ok, coz its not weighted as much
if u lost them in exam 2 u might get a 49
depends tho, this year was slightly harder than last year, so maybe 3 marks lost is 50
They're weighted the same I think, well at the end of the day all the points count together don't they?
Post by: _avO on November 02, 2010, 09:14:49 pm
Post by: taiga on November 02, 2010, 09:21:54 pm
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
Post by: Chavi on November 02, 2010, 09:23:46 pm
Exam 1 is worth 22%, Exam 2 44%, SACS 34%But that 22% is not a measure of weighting, but rather that Exam 1 has half the marks of exam 2.
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
I don't believe this is correct - with the external papers, they calculate a total score out of 120.
Getting -3 on Exam 1 is the same as a -3 on Exam 2. You still end up with 117/120 for your external score.
Post by: taiga on November 02, 2010, 09:30:50 pm
Exam 1 is worth 22%, Exam 2 44%, SACS 34%But that 22% is not a measure of weighting, but rather that Exam 1 has half the marks of exam 2.
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
I don't believe this is correct - with the external papers, they calculate a total score out of 120.
Getting -3 on Exam 1 is the same as a -3 on Exam 2. You still end up with 117/120 for your external score.
Let's talk hypotheticals then;
For last year's physics unit 3 exam, you could lose 4 marks for an A+ So if you lost about 15, you would get probably a B. But if you full marked the end of year (lets assume it was very difficult and the cutoff was -18 marks), and got an A+, you would get equivalent to about a 42-43 raw?
I'm not sure how it works, but it seems all too easy to make up for it though.
Post by: 3Xamz on November 02, 2010, 09:34:13 pm
- Top of the cohort at school (teacher released a ranking list using our marks, because we have a small cohort and the bastard got first place >< )
- He said lost 10 marks over both exams, 4-5 first one, and 4-5 in second one.
Fire away, (Don't be too lenient in your predictions, his head might blow up 8-) )
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 09:40:54 pm
Exam 1 is worth 22%, Exam 2 44%, SACS 34%
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
but 22% is double 44% and exam 2 is double exam 1...so mathematically isn't it the same.....
Post by: Stormer on November 02, 2010, 09:54:58 pm
yeah, the difference would be minimal?Exam 1 is worth 22%, Exam 2 44%, SACS 34%
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
but 22% is double 44% and exam 2 is double exam 1...so mathematically isn't it the same.....
Post by: Chavi on November 02, 2010, 09:58:34 pm
Right, and I'm aware that the two exams are assessed separately, but the weighting 22%, 44% corresponds exactly to the number of marks on each exam.Exam 1 is worth 22%, Exam 2 44%, SACS 34%But that 22% is not a measure of weighting, but rather that Exam 1 has half the marks of exam 2.
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
I don't believe this is correct - with the external papers, they calculate a total score out of 120.
Getting -3 on Exam 1 is the same as a -3 on Exam 2. You still end up with 117/120 for your external score.
Let's talk hypotheticals then;
For last year's physics unit 3 exam, you could lose 4 marks for an A+ So if you lost about 15, you would get probably a B. But if you full marked the end of year (lets assume it was very difficult and the cutoff was -18 marks), and got an A+, you would get equivalent to about a 42-43 raw?
I'm not sure how it works, but it seems all too easy to make up for it though.
I don't think anybody here can definitively say how it works - but judging by some previous stories of freak 50s despite doing crap on exam one (bear in mind, losing 3 marks on exam 1 last year eventuated in an A - http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/statistics/2009/section3/vce_specialist_maths_ga09.pdf), it seems as if the evidence stacks up toward cumulative marking from 120.
For example, if you were to lose 3 marks in a freakishly easy Exam 1, and score an A, but then receive full on marks on a freakishly hard Exam 2 (with a state average of below 20%), then technically you could score a 50 with an A+ A A+.
Post by: awesome2damax on November 02, 2010, 10:11:09 pm
39/40
70/80?
About 40?
NO way! Why are you guys being so pessimistic. Someone who got a B plus first exam and a high A plus 2nd exam got a 43 raw. Please be realistic.
Post by: awesome2damax on November 02, 2010, 10:12:46 pm
How about 37/40 and 72/80 and an A+ sac average?That would get you a solid 43-45 raw. Well done!
Last year these marks would have given me about 40 but since this years exam was quite a bit harder I'm hoping they will give me around a 42-43.
Post by: Stormer on November 02, 2010, 10:16:43 pm
39/40I figure that's a low A+ and a mid A+?
70/80?
About 40?
NO way! Why are you guys being so pessimistic. Someone who got a B plus first exam and a high A plus 2nd exam got a 43 raw. Please be realistic.
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 10:18:14 pm
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 10:19:24 pm
Post by: Stormer on November 02, 2010, 10:19:35 pm
Um, B+ and high A = 43 is not realistic. That's in your dreams kind of stuffHe said A plus to be fair
Post by: awesome2damax on November 02, 2010, 10:21:15 pm
Highest B+ and highest A plus (full marks) should give about 43-44 raw.That's exactly right! :)
Post by: awesome2damax on November 02, 2010, 10:22:17 pm
Post by: iffets12345 on November 02, 2010, 10:22:44 pm
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 10:23:55 pm
EDIT: So, relating that to the topic: if you change that low A + to a high B+/low A, and max the others out, then you are looking at a similar raw score, if not higher, particularly given the perceived difficulty of this year's Spesh papers.
Post by: awesome2damax on November 02, 2010, 10:27:29 pm
Last year for Methods I got a highish A+ (39/40) and a loooww A+ (70.5/80) and highish A+ SACs (moderated to 97) and got 42.Yeah see! btw, would would 33/40 for 1st one and 73/80 for the 2nd one roughly get you? Please say 40, please say 40.
Post by: Stormer on November 02, 2010, 10:28:34 pm
Post by: awesome2damax on November 02, 2010, 10:33:17 pm
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 10:37:31 pm
Last year for Methods I got a highish A+ (39/40) and a loooww A+ (70.5/80) and highish A+ SACs (moderated to 97) and got 42.Yeah see! btw, would would 33/40 for 1st one and 73/80 for the 2nd one roughly get you? Please say 40, please say 40.
Unlikely to get 40 with 14 marks lost, but you never know...
I would say you are probably looking at about 37-40 . . .
Post by: sajib_mostofa on November 02, 2010, 10:40:35 pm
Last year for Methods I got a highish A+ (39/40) and a loooww A+ (70.5/80) and highish A+ SACs (moderated to 97) and got 42.Yeah see! btw, would would 33/40 for 1st one and 73/80 for the 2nd one roughly get you? Please say 40, please say 40.
Unlikely to get 40 with 14 marks lost, but you never know...
I would say you are probably looking at about 37-39 . . .
What would an A, A+ and B+ roughly get me?
Post by: CharlieW on November 02, 2010, 10:45:00 pm
Exam 1 is worth 22%, Exam 2 44%, SACS 34%But that 22% is not a measure of weighting, but rather that Exam 1 has half the marks of exam 2.
Getting 33/40 in exam 1, and 80/80 in exam 2 would be far better than , 40/40 and 73/80.
I don't believe this is correct - with the external papers, they calculate a total score out of 120.
Getting -3 on Exam 1 is the same as a -3 on Exam 2. You still end up with 117/120 for your external score.
i was told by someone its not simply added onto each other. in fact they derive a rank for each performance on the exam, translate it into a z score for each of the sac, exam 1 and exam 2 u know that icky stuff in probability in methods. THen they add the z scores and rank u, to determine u study score, that might be a simplification but that was about all i could understand from them. i tried to check the statistical crap on the vcaa website but i fell asleep reading it, but it said stuff abotu z score and my friend got his statement of marks with 3 sets of z scores for methods.
Post by: m@tty on November 02, 2010, 10:47:55 pm
Post by: awesome2damax on November 03, 2010, 09:15:24 am
That's right, each of your exam performances contributes to your score, each isbut remember it's not about the marks lost in total. It's how you were positioned against the whole cohort of students who were undertaking the spesh exam: So in other words, you'll be ranked separately from exam 1 and exam 2 and then they will use that to combine wit you your sacs and determine your overall ranking., then you are ranked according to the sum of the values from each GA.
Post by: s0phie962 on November 03, 2010, 10:14:29 am
SACS: A+
Exam 1: 35/40
Exam 2: 62/80
Post by: JackMichaelson on November 03, 2010, 10:44:38 am
SACS - Rank 2
Exam 1: 40/40
Exam 2: 78/80
Post by: letsride on November 03, 2010, 10:45:36 am
Is it still possible to get 50?yes very much so.
SACS - Rank 2
Exam 1: 40/40
Exam 2: 78/80
Post by: awesome2damax on November 03, 2010, 10:48:11 am
how about -35-38 raw?
SACS: A+
Exam 1: 35/40
Exam 2: 62/80
Post by: hash on November 03, 2010, 11:38:15 am
what would I get with an average of 76% for SACs and 35/40 for exam 1 and 75/80 for exam 2?
let me know plz :)
Post by: awesome2damax on November 03, 2010, 11:47:16 am
Quick question:Dang! that would get you a 44-45 raw. Well done!
what would I get with an average of 76% for SACs and 35/40 for exam 1 and 75/80 for exam 2?
let me know plz :)
Post by: taiga on November 03, 2010, 11:50:35 am
Is it still possible to get 50?
SACS - Rank 2
Exam 1: 40/40
Exam 2: 78/80
probs not ~ 41-42
Post by: awesome2damax on November 03, 2010, 01:29:25 pm
Is it still possible to get 50?that's what i was thinking.
SACS - Rank 2
Exam 1: 40/40
Exam 2: 78/80
probs not ~ 41-42
Post by: garliczombie on November 03, 2010, 06:14:45 pm
Post by: sajib_mostofa on November 03, 2010, 06:35:33 pm
You guys should try out Mao's GA estimator. It's like a rough estimate of a raw study score after grades have been punched in using previous years' statistical data. People say its pretty good and its off by +/- 1 at most. I tested it by punching in my revolutions results from last year and it gave me the raw study score i have received. I know it isn't based on this year's info so its not really relevant to how you think you went in spec. but it should give you a good idea of what raw scores are determined by specific grades.
Where can i get it?
Post by: garliczombie on November 03, 2010, 06:39:22 pm
Post by: sajib_mostofa on November 03, 2010, 06:46:09 pm
Post by: s0phie962 on November 03, 2010, 08:19:33 pm
Post by: awesome2damax on November 03, 2010, 09:28:40 pm
Post by: Minnie on November 04, 2010, 12:22:22 am
exam 2 74/80
A+ sacs
what ss would i be looking at? :)
Post by: CharlieW on November 04, 2010, 08:43:08 am
Post by: garliczombie on November 04, 2010, 09:09:14 am
Ive been using the study score estimator but how accurate is it? I put in A+ for sacs, A exam 1 and B+ exam 2, and got 38 - 40. i dont think thats really accurate is it?
Well it is really a rough estimate but the people on the other forum are generally very happy with it. The SACs column may be a bit inaccurate because it isn't only dependent on your own scores but your entire cohort, other than that it should be alright.
Post by: a.zirek on November 04, 2010, 04:54:45 pm
Is there such a thing?
Oh, and I was talking to my teacher, who said that you can still get a 50 (scaled) if you lose below 10 marks.
So from what he said, I think you can get a 45 with a 110/120
Post by: m@tty on November 04, 2010, 06:13:00 pm
I wouldn't be too hopeful for it though, perhaps 8 or 9 to be safe for 45 raw.
Post by: CharlieW on November 04, 2010, 07:43:13 pm
coz exam 2 worth more, get a higher mark in exam 2 places u in a higher rank, therefore higher z score, therefore overall high aggregate score, therefore higher study score rank, than losing 2 on exam 1.
hard to say depends on how well everyone does, if for some reason an A was 38 in exam 1 , then u might be in a spot of bother, but i doubt that would happen
Post by: jasonn93 on November 04, 2010, 07:46:55 pm
SACs: 94/100, top 5-10~
exam 1: 37-38/40
exam 2: 70-74~ / 80
Post by: Chavi on November 04, 2010, 07:48:31 pm
Prediction?43~44 i'd say
SACs: 94/100, top 5-10~
exam 1: 37-38/40
exam 2: 70-74~ / 80
Post by: jasonn93 on November 04, 2010, 07:50:40 pm
Post by: sajib_mostofa on November 04, 2010, 08:34:04 pm
Post by: beroy on November 05, 2010, 07:48:21 pm
Post by: iffets12345 on November 05, 2010, 08:00:11 pm
Post by: jammaj on November 11, 2010, 07:45:46 pm
Post by: m@tty on November 11, 2010, 07:48:04 pm
Post by: jammaj on November 11, 2010, 08:09:47 pm
thanks :)
Post by: PringlePop on November 11, 2010, 09:37:11 pm