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Archived Discussion => 2010 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Accounting => Topic started by: Chavi on November 04, 2010, 02:47:22 pm

Title: ROA/ATO
Post by: Chavi on November 04, 2010, 02:47:22 pm
For question 1.3.2 - explain how ROA can increase whilst ATO decreases

What did everyone answer?

I wrote something along the lines of worsening sales, but better expense and cost of sales control . . .
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Stormer on November 04, 2010, 02:48:10 pm
NPR goes up proportionally higher.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Chavi on November 04, 2010, 02:49:14 pm
NPR goes up proportionally higher.
Did you have to mention that.. ?
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Stormer on November 04, 2010, 02:51:05 pm
You have to mention proportionality in some sense. Seeing as ROA = NPR x ATO, i'd say you have to mention NPR relating it to expense control. You don't know that Sales has worsened either.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Yitzi_K on November 04, 2010, 02:52:08 pm
I said that expenses decreased, but sales decreased by more. Therefore ROA improves, but ATO decreases.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: AnotherBrickInTheWall on November 04, 2010, 02:52:33 pm
I said something along the lines of due to sale of assets during the period cos there was that disposal of computer system earlier and selling assets pulls up ROA (net profit / Ave assets) and brings down ATO (Ave assets / Cost of sales)
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Stormer on November 04, 2010, 02:54:31 pm
I said that expenses decreased, but sales decreased by more. Therefore ROA improves, but ATO decreases.
That's purely hypothetical. Expenses could have increased and Sales Increased by more but Total Assets is much higher. You'd have to mention NPR in some form I feel.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Chavi on November 04, 2010, 02:54:58 pm
I said something along the lines of due to sale of assets during the period cos there was that disposal of computer system earlier and selling assets pulls up ROA (net profit / Ave assets) and brings down ATO (Ave assets / Cost of sales)
That's smart.

You have to mention proportionality in some sense. Seeing as ROA = NPR x ATO, i'd say you have to mention NPR relating it to expense control. You don't know that Sales has worsened either.
Right, but as long as you discussed proportionately you'd be fine right? Also because Ave total Assets are in the denominator of both ROA and ATO, the only explanation for a difference in both is opposing fluctuations in sales and Net Profit. Leaving everything in between  - i.e. cost of sales and expenses.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Stormer on November 04, 2010, 02:56:55 pm
I said something along the lines of due to sale of assets during the period cos there was that disposal of computer system earlier and selling assets pulls up ROA (net profit / Ave assets) and brings down ATO (Ave assets / Cost of sales)
That's smart.

You have to mention proportionality in some sense. Seeing as ROA = NPR x ATO, i'd say you have to mention NPR relating it to expense control. You don't know that Sales has worsened either.
Right, but as long as you discussed proportionately you'd be fine right? Also because Ave total Assets are in the denominator of both ROA and ATO, the only explanation for a difference in both is opposing fluctuations in sales and Net Profit. Leaving everything in between  - i.e. cost of sales and expenses.

Yup, I don't think you'd be asked to explicitly mention NPR. NPR is Net Profit on Sales though so you'd have to mention either NPR or expense control.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: AnotherBrickInTheWall on November 04, 2010, 03:00:10 pm
hang on just realised my ato is wrong... stuffed that question
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: ks04 on November 04, 2010, 03:40:37 pm
This question got me... the fact that they didn't include the formulas like they have in previous years is what caught me out... :/
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: sgeorge on November 04, 2010, 03:49:29 pm
Well, the business was receiving extra revenue from the aw firm renting, so that pushes up ROA.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: LFTM on November 04, 2010, 04:05:21 pm
i had no clue, made up some shit.
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: becky on November 04, 2010, 07:34:26 pm
yes i spoke about how the sale of NCA's increases the ROA and somehow related it to sales for the ATO
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: Chavi on November 04, 2010, 07:37:34 pm
yes i spoke about how the sale of NCA's increases the ROA and somehow related it to sales for the ATO
But that won't make sense, as the Sale of NCA would bring up ROA and ATo
Title: Re: ROA/ATO
Post by: becky on November 04, 2010, 07:45:14 pm
yes i spoke about how the sale of NCA's increases the ROA and somehow related it to sales for the ATO
But that won't make sense, as the Sale of NCA would bring up ROA and ATo

hahaha unlucky for me.. i honestly dont remember exactly what i said anyway.. ahhh such a long exam! only just finished