ATAR Notes: Forum
VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: darren94 on November 16, 2010, 10:53:41 pm
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I have 1 day to decide on whether to keep Mathematical Methods 3/4 as a subject , or switch to Further Maths 3/4.
I'm leaning towards further 3/4 As I have to juggle two rote subjects (Legal+Psych) and It would probably free up space... but my main concern is the closing of options for Uni. (I wish to do Psychology)
In all honesty, if I work my ass off and aim for the highest goal, is a 45-50 in further achievable for someone who is okay at math but crap at methods?
39 In methods would be impossible for me, so I'm quite hesitant. I don't know. Thoughts?
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I have 1 day to decide on whether to keep Mathematical Methods 3/4 as a subject , or switch to Further Maths 3/4.
I'm leaning towards further 3/4 As I have to juggle two rote subjects (Legal+Psych) and It would probably free up space... but my main concern is the closing of options for Uni. (I wish to do Psychology)
In all honesty, if I work my ass off and aim for the highest goal, is a 45-50 in further achievable for someone who is okay at math but crap at methods?
39 In methods would be impossible for me, so I'm quite hesitant. I don't know. Thoughts?
In short, yes, you can achieve a score of 45-50 for Further with hard work. If Mathematical Methods isn't a pre-requisite to get into Psychology for uni, then you'd be better off doing Further.
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I'd say Further is more about "perfecting" your working-outs and minimizing errors compared to Methods where it's application here and there and obviously more challenging
or to use an analogy, Further is walking on thin ice and making sure you dont step on any cracks and Methods is like walking the plank but if you fall off you can still float (minus the sharks)
so it's more of a question of perfect-accuracy vs application-skills with Further and Methods
but this is how I see it, so we shall see next year~!
but in your case, I suggest Further since you should only be doing Methods if its a prereq or if you genuinely enjoy maths
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If Methods is a prereq you have to do it, if not take Further then. You obviously want to to move, so just do it.
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I'll be completely honest, further isn't as easy as you might think. Well at least that is what I think. I see alot of people take further on the basis of it being an "easy" 45-50, and then ending up with a 40-41, which gets scaled down. Whilst for the majority of the state, that's a good score, it is a disappointment for those who went in with the intention of getting higher scores.
I do also think that if you do methods and do not do well on it, I would not rate your odds of doing well on further that high either =\
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Well one of my sister's friends got C+'s in year 11 methods. Did further and got 45. However she really kicked into gear with it. So if you're willing to put in the effort further might be better as methods doesn't seem to be a prereq for your course.
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Do further if u want to get an easy 40+ score without much work. You basically just bludge and do no work in class.
Do methods if your willing to dedicate at least an hour a day on the exercise homework.
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[quoteDo further if u want to get an easy 40+ score without much work. You basically just bludge and do no work in class.
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Ignore that.
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Do Further, and just work hard for it.
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[quoteDo further if u want to get an easy 40+ score without much work. You basically just bludge and do no work in class.
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Ignore that.
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Agreed. Although i didnt do much for furhter this year apart from revising the night before sacs, and doing prac exams a few days to a week before the exam, i would have liked to have done more throughout the year....
I was one of those people who thought i could have gotten 44~ or thereabouts fairly easy without much work, however if you do not work on minimising those silly mistakes then it may backfire... Personally i think i did bad in the exam for my expectations.
If i were in your situation and i would put in some effort during the year then doing a fair amount of prac exams then ill do further.
Also if you think you could manage a 35ish in methods why not do it? It would most likely scale higher than a 42/43 in furhter and it also opens up different courses for uni
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Do methods you might change ur mind want to do in the future
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Why not both?
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Why not both?
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Further is just a watered down version of methods, particularly the graphs and relations, matrices and number pattern modules.
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Mmm. I did further last year and did no work all year and pulled out a 35, which is pretty bad considering my whole world is math orientated.
I still prefer further over methods. To me personally, further is so much easier. If I had tried hard, or tried at all, I could've pulled off a 45, I think. It's a regret that I didn't - definitely going to affect my ATAR to be honest. But I also did methods last year and only got 25 scaled, and I was actually trying. :\
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legal does take a lot of time and so does methods. psych not as much as legal. If you want you could drop legal and do further and methods.
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Do methods, it's a pre-req for lots of uni courses so will keep options open (especially if the course you want to get in requires methods already).
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I'll be completely honest, further isn't as easy as you might think. Well at least that is what I think. I see alot of people take further on the basis of it being an "easy" 45-50, and then ending up with a 40-41, which gets scaled down.
Exactly, Perfection isn't that easy, and that is what high scores in further requires.
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[quoteDo further if u want to get an easy 40+ score without much work. You basically just bludge and do no work in class.
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Ignore that.
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I second him or her
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I'd say Further is more about "perfecting" your working-outs and minimizing errors
...I think every VCE maths is like that =/ Uni Maths is different at least =D
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I heard Uni Maths is easier than Spesh? Any truth to this?
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In psychology although it isn't maths based as such, if you want to take it to fourth year or even higher level you need to be able to use statistics. Methods actually gives you a really comprehensive grounding for this (particularly where you study probability), to the extent where uni psychology would be much easier for you. So I definitely would recommend methods.