Post by: psychlaw on May 19, 2008, 08:52:22 pm
we should have like official VCE notes awards (a bit like the premiers award but an internal thing)
EG -the highest achiever in VCE Notes gets the VCE notes award for that subject
and we should have a dux of VCE Notes for the best general achiever.......
the prize??? Umm I dunno... prestige ::)
or a title under your name stating your achievments
just a suggestion...
I want the psych award if this actually turns happens lol
I think it would be sweet to have "Dux of Psych" under my username :D
Post by: costargh on May 19, 2008, 08:58:48 pm
Post by: /0 on May 19, 2008, 09:01:07 pm
Post by: cara.mel on May 19, 2008, 09:02:23 pm
- How will you know if people get what they claim?
- How will you justify who is more deserving of the title? Eg person 1 has posted 5 times and has gotten 50. Person 2 has posted 809 times and has gotten 49. Who gets the pretentious title here?
Post by: psychlaw on May 19, 2008, 09:02:32 pm
I like the idea of people gettin the title in their profile thingo.yea and it should go for the whole year, until next year's results, where the title will change between people :D (to the next person who gets the highest in that subject/overall)
you shouldn't be allowed to have it forever to make it more rare and heighten the prestige of it!! :P
Post by: psychlaw on May 19, 2008, 09:04:08 pm
But then:
- How will you know if people get what they claim?
- How will you justify who is more deserving of the title? Eg person 1 has posted 5 times and has gotten 50. Person 2 has posted 809 times and has gotten 49. Who gets the pretentious title here?
(1) Herald Sun Top Achievers ?? (and if theres insufficent evidence .... then they shouldn't get it :o)
(2) .... Put a post limit for the awards... like karma... 50 posts atleast maybe?????
Post by: ed_saifa on May 19, 2008, 09:04:41 pm
Post by: dcc on May 19, 2008, 09:06:44 pm
Who is akira?
If anyone could answer that question, my life would be complete.
Post by: cara.mel on May 19, 2008, 09:07:23 pm
But then:
- How will you know if people get what they claim?
- How will you justify who is more deserving of the title? Eg person 1 has posted 5 times and has gotten 50. Person 2 has posted 809 times and has gotten 49. Who gets the pretentious title here?
(1) Herald Sun Top Achievers ?? (and if theres insufficent evidence .... then they shouldn't get it :o)
(2) .... Put a post limit for the awards... like karma... 50 posts atleast maybe?????
I absolutely despise the concept of post counts, and how you can actually judge a person's contribution (or quality as a member) based on that.
Who is akira?Some guy last year that got 99.95 that we never knew his real name or any way to prove his results, who probably did exist :P
Post by: psychlaw on May 19, 2008, 09:07:49 pm
Who is akira?someone who claimed they got 50 in spec, chem, methods, and physics.... and 48 in english... plus 5.5 in uni extention
yet they never had proof..... eventually they deleted there account after much doubt to whether there scores were valid
Post by: cara.mel on May 19, 2008, 09:09:53 pm
Post by: psychlaw on May 19, 2008, 09:10:11 pm
I absolutely despise the concept of post counts, and how you can actually judge a person's contribution (or quality as a member) based on that.:D
I don't.
it's not really judging there quality/contribution as a member... just commitment i think
you wouldn't want to see people like under 20 posts as a moderator would you *cough* legaltutor *cough*
:P
Post by: BA22 on May 19, 2008, 09:20:22 pm
The point is that post count is not the best indicator of a poster's commitment.
Post by: /0 on May 19, 2008, 09:22:01 pm
But then:
- How will you know if people get what they claim?
- How will you justify who is more deserving of the title? Eg person 1 has posted 5 times and has gotten 50. Person 2 has posted 809 times and has gotten 49. Who gets the pretentious title here?
(1) Herald Sun Top Achievers ?? (and if theres insufficent evidence .... then they shouldn't get it :o)
(2) .... Put a post limit for the awards... like karma... 50 posts atleast maybe?????
Lol, what would be even more interesting is if someone with a higher mark came along half-way through next year xD
Post by: psychlaw on May 19, 2008, 09:31:14 pm
Simple: If your not there at the "award giving ceremony" (sometime soon after the results).... :D then you shouldn't be counted :) ;)But then:
- How will you know if people get what they claim?
- How will you justify who is more deserving of the title? Eg person 1 has posted 5 times and has gotten 50. Person 2 has posted 809 times and has gotten 49. Who gets the pretentious title here?
(1) Herald Sun Top Achievers ?? (and if theres insufficent evidence .... then they shouldn't get it :o)
(2) .... Put a post limit for the awards... like karma... 50 posts atleast maybe?????
Lol, what would be even more interesting is if someone with a higher mark came along half-way through next year xD
Post by: mark_alec on May 19, 2008, 09:54:18 pm
Who is akira?Akira was the individual responsible for World War III. His psychic abilities are the stuff of legend. If you listen to the universe close enough, you might be able to hear it exclaim 'I am Akira'.
Post by: bilgia on May 19, 2008, 10:00:39 pm
Post by: jsimmo on May 19, 2008, 10:33:29 pm
Simple: If your not there at the "award giving ceremony" (sometime soon after the results).... :D then you shouldn't be counted :) ;)But then:
- How will you know if people get what they claim?
- How will you justify who is more deserving of the title? Eg person 1 has posted 5 times and has gotten 50. Person 2 has posted 809 times and has gotten 49. Who gets the pretentious title here?
(1) Herald Sun Top Achievers ?? (and if theres insufficent evidence .... then they shouldn't get it :o)
(2) .... Put a post limit for the awards... like karma... 50 posts atleast maybe?????
Lol, what would be even more interesting is if someone with a higher mark came along half-way through next year xD
I think it would be a great idea to have an "award ceremony" at the Crown Casino Palladium Room
Post by: Mao on May 19, 2008, 10:47:09 pm
just that some people could accept his academic abilities and his arrogance, thats all.
-never mind-
now as for the award thing, i'd like to remind people a few things:
1. VN is Internet. not a full-fledged organisation
2. there is no way we can gauge someone's results if they choose to withhold results
3. there is no real way we can gauge contribution [post count, karma, irc, notes upload are all variables that as it suggests, HIGHLY varies, attendance to VN meets (whatever that is) is also highly volatile, mainly irc people of established friendships go to that..]
4. last year's cohort were a crazy bunch that migrated from BoS. This year's demographics should be more normalised...
and, people who have significantly contributed to particular boards eventually win the title [enwiabe is not blind]. when you help out enough, dan will see it and endorse you. that's how i became one, that's how elaine became one. [on second thought, this is in fact the only way mods are elected. no mods around are non-contributors to start off with (though i have no knowledge of the early days)]
so the award....? not so necessary in my opinion. someone who has done well who is confident with his/her own skills dont need a "LOOK AT ME!" banner, because they will already have the respect of the community.
Post by: enwiabe on May 19, 2008, 11:18:45 pm
Post by: Ahmad on May 19, 2008, 11:26:23 pm
What sort of title would the person get anyway? Like "Physicist" or "Mathematician" or something? ;)
Post by: Mao on May 19, 2008, 11:53:16 pm
i thought it was~... =\
tsk tsk, i joined too early, too late~.
Post by: bubble sunglasses on May 19, 2008, 11:53:47 pm
ROFL Kopite would find that funny
Post by: beezy4eva on May 20, 2008, 05:55:29 pm
the title shoudl be "*insert subject* god/goddess"
What sort of title would the person get anyway? Like "Physicist" or "Mathematician" or something? ;)
eg ahmad would be 'specialist god' =P
Post by: Eriny on May 21, 2008, 09:09:53 am
Post by: Odette on May 21, 2008, 11:07:14 am
What if we did more fun awards, like 'most likely to...'yeah great idea hehe
Post by: excal on May 21, 2008, 08:13:19 pm
You can't rely on voluntarily reported scores. People can simply not report them to the press (and there are some very legitimate reasons for doing this) so cross checking may fail. Same reasons might also restrict them from revealing their personal details.
Post by: AppleXY on May 21, 2008, 08:37:20 pm
Also you must screenshot your results, which includes your whole desktop. You must list your name in the paper for study scores, tell the admin (enwiabe) or a mod that you feel that won't take your privacy for granted.
I think that should do it :) So it's viable :)
Post by: tia on May 21, 2008, 08:43:44 pm
Or this thread stinks of fail?agreed
You can't rely on voluntarily reported scores. People can simply not report them to the press (and there are some very legitimate reasons for doing this) so cross checking may fail. Same reasons might also restrict them from revealing their personal details.
There's so many other valuable contributions you could be giving awards for rather than the 'dux of the site'.
Post by: excal on May 21, 2008, 09:04:42 pm
How about you give you aggregrate before the aggregrate-to-enter table comes out. After the aggregrate table comes out, you are no longer eligible for the award.
Also you must screenshot your results, which includes your whole desktop. You must list your name in the paper for study scores, tell the admin (enwiabe) or a mod that you feel that won't take your privacy for granted.
I think that should do it :) So it's viable :)
You're asking people to do a lot for something as simple as this...meaning any well-deserved people have no incentive to participate (defying the point of the entire exercise).
I'm sure publishing your score (and having someone aggregate it, like there always is) and comparing it with others is recognition enough.
Post by: Mao on May 21, 2008, 09:25:42 pm
because seriously, beyond year 12, no one will care about VCE anymore. =P
how respectable you are should not be of a faceless score like the ENTER and SS, but rather, if you are a good person, the community will recognise you.
Post by: excal on May 22, 2008, 12:54:09 am
Post by: tia on May 22, 2008, 03:15:30 pm
I dont think a highest score anywhere should be valuable enough to bear a title that says "LOOK AT ME~ I GOT XX IN A SUBJECT"so true
because seriously, beyond year 12, no one will care about VCE anymore. =P
how respectable you are should not be of a faceless score like the ENTER and SS, but rather, if you are a good person, the community will recognise you.
Post by: Collin Li on May 22, 2008, 06:30:36 pm
Post by: dcc on May 22, 2008, 06:38:29 pm
Post by: droodles on May 22, 2008, 07:05:19 pm
Post by: Mao on May 22, 2008, 08:34:31 pm
Most likely to invest in Apple shares in a University of Melbourne sharemarket portfolio competition?i wonder who THAT is :P
Post by: enwiabe on May 27, 2008, 02:03:07 pm
I would like to give out some sort of award to a person who excels academically whilst helping others on the site. I think, by example, the person who would have won it in 2007 would have been Ahmad. I'll keep this in mind, and I do think it's a great idea. My thoughts so far, have been along the lines of money towards uni fees. Of course, this won't be feasible at *least* until 2010 (in terms of revenue growth required to finance such a thing). But for this year, I'd like to think of something that can be done to honour a particularly helpful and successful member.
Post by: AppleXY on May 27, 2008, 02:06:55 pm
Post by: enwiabe on May 27, 2008, 02:07:27 pm
Post by: Mao on May 27, 2008, 05:07:56 pm
"Award of excellence and appreciation - VCENotes.com - 2008
- for achieving high results in VCE whilst making significant contributions to help others on the VCENotes online community"
;D
Post by: enwiabe on May 27, 2008, 05:10:32 pm
Post by: dcc on May 27, 2008, 05:12:47 pm
well you could just replace "VCENotes" with student community if you don't want it to look tacky. :P But who said you'd get it anyway *-) haha
$10 on Mao.
Post by: enwiabe on May 27, 2008, 05:31:32 pm
Post by: Mao on May 27, 2008, 05:42:12 pm
$10 on dcc.well you could just replace "VCENotes" with student community if you don't want it to look tacky. :P But who said you'd get it anyway *-) haha
$10 on Mao.
and i didnt say i'd get it, i just said it sounds "tacky" :P
Post by: AppleXY on May 27, 2008, 05:45:21 pm
Post by: Rietie on May 27, 2008, 09:05:30 pm
Post by: excal on May 28, 2008, 01:32:24 am
Post by: Collin Li on May 29, 2008, 07:32:51 pm
$10 on dcc.well you could just replace "VCENotes" with student community if you don't want it to look tacky. :P But who said you'd get it anyway *-) haha
$10 on Mao.
and i didnt say i'd get it, i just said it sounds "tacky" :P
Being the finance geek, my first reaction is that Mao and dcc have now hedged their outcomes at the end of year 12.
Post by: AppleXY on May 31, 2008, 02:11:02 pm
Post by: bubble sunglasses on May 31, 2008, 03:36:25 pm
There could be an award purely to help the deserving recipients with resumes, scholarship applications, etc. People like Mao clearly spend a lot of their time helping, but saying on a resume "I often helped out on a forum" -2008, wouldn't sound as good as if you helped out with a charity or volunteer fire service or whatever; enwiabe or someone could think of a suitable moniker
Post by: Collin Li on May 31, 2008, 03:47:36 pm
Umm. Hedging is by definition reducing (unnecessary) risk while still maintaining healthy profit, or reducing the magnitude of losses. I don't see any profit coming from this bet.
dcc and Mao have both locked in either:
i) success in VCE (something like that) or,
ii) $10
Post by: ninwa on May 31, 2008, 03:56:08 pm
There could be an award purely to help the deserving recipients with resumes, scholarship applications, etc. People like Mao clearly spend a lot of their time helping, but saying on a resume "I often helped out on a forum" -2008, wouldn't sound as good as if you helped out with a charity or volunteer fire service or whatever; enwiabe or someone could think of a suitable moniker
yeah, you could have something like "volunteer tutor on an eminent VCE student community"
and you could milk it more by saying something like "for students whose financial circumstances precluded them from access to paid tutors"
that'll sound really good on a resume :P
Post by: AppleXY on May 31, 2008, 06:04:37 pm
Umm. Hedging is by definition reducing (unnecessary) risk while still maintaining healthy profit, or reducing the magnitude of losses. I don't see any profit coming from this bet.
dcc and Mao have both locked in either:
i) success in VCE (something like that) or,
ii) $10
oh yeah, how very correct. Ill retract my comments then :P
Post by: HUMLUN.dix.pen. on May 31, 2008, 10:08:59 pm
cyaz
Post by: excal on June 01, 2008, 03:26:57 am
Post by: excal on June 01, 2008, 03:27:22 am
Post by: bubble sunglasses on June 01, 2008, 10:03:09 pm
Also, this thread still stinks of fail.
even if you think the original idea "stinks of fail", doesn't necessarily mean my idea, or indeed every post, is worthless
Post by: Collin Li on June 01, 2008, 10:42:32 pm
I think that is the only thing you could possibly put on your resume. An academic award from the site would not be reputable. It'd be the equivalent of stating your Distinctions from all those Maths and Geography competitions from years 7 through to 11 (I have heaps piled up, worthless really).
Post by: Mao on June 02, 2008, 05:14:38 pm
but then that's just the role of moderators. hehe
Post by: brendan on June 03, 2008, 01:47:27 am
Umm. Hedging is by definition reducing (unnecessary) risk while still maintaining healthy profit, or reducing the magnitude of losses.
i would say its just about reducing or canceling out risk. hedging doesn't imply whether or not it is necessary.
Post by: bubble sunglasses on June 03, 2008, 04:49:14 pm
is there a lot in finance related to football betting?
Post by: AppleXY on June 03, 2008, 05:52:43 pm
Even though generally speaking hedging is only reducing risk; you expect that you'll get an benefit for it, which in this case means you'll expect to make a profit or reduce losses.
Eg by hedging the equities market, say BHP and Rio Tinto, you expect to make a profit even if it's small.
Post by: Collin Li on June 03, 2008, 11:23:52 pm
is there a lot in finance related to football betting?
Probably not. You might be able to develop an efficient portfolio for betting, but finance is really just the theory. You have to be an empiricist to get the inputs you need for the theoretical equations. It's one thing to talk about the efficient markets line, but it's another thing to actually know the expected return and standard deviation of many assets.
It might give you a new way of seeing betting I guess.
Post by: brendan on June 04, 2008, 12:06:15 am
is there a lot in finance related to football betting?
not really... more probability theory?
Post by: humph on June 04, 2008, 01:22:04 am
I have already included on my resume that I am a moderator of VCENotes.com.i keep my maths HDs from those competitions on my resumé. it can be relevant for certain jobs that you apply for, imo.
I think that is the only thing you could possibly put on your resume. An academic award from the site would not be reputable. It'd be the equivalent of stating your Distinctions from all those Maths and Geography competitions from years 7 through to 11 (I have heaps piled up, worthless really).
Post by: enwiabe on June 04, 2008, 01:37:40 am
Post by: humph on June 04, 2008, 01:52:35 am
Lol, I don't think so. An HD in a westpac maths competition from grade 4 won't land you anything. An HD in a 3rd year complex analysis subject though, now that might do some persuasion.not grade 4, just yrs10-12 (i didn't do most of the others). relevant certainly for applying for my degree, but also in terms of achievements for some high school/uni tutoring jobs (in my experience, people like to know they're being tutored by someone who did well, regardless of the importance).
and i'm doing complex analysis next semester :) shall be fun. currently doing analysis 2 = topology, measure theory & integration, and hilbert spaces. exciting stuff.
Post by: Ahmad on June 05, 2008, 12:18:51 am
Post by: humph on June 05, 2008, 12:57:15 am
That sure sounds like fun :D. What field of maths do you want to major in?no idea yet. i loved elementary number theory last year, so after i do complex analysis next semester i should be able to do some analytic number theory, which sounds kinda cool - prime number theorem, riemann zeta function etc.
i'm enjoying analysis a lot too, so i'll see how i keep going with that. and i'll do my first algebra course next semester, though i don't think i'll like that quite as much as analysis. we'll see.