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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: mikee65 on November 24, 2010, 08:56:20 pm
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Im not too familiar with the system but how hard would it be considered to be getting like 90%+ on assessments in the "core subjects" or what ever subjects are required for the gamsat, (phys, bio, chem) at UoM
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Getting above 90% is hard. Some subjects facilitate it because they have easy assessment but on average - hard. Uni marks are going to be lower than school marks, I can guarantee you that.
For the purposes of medicine, GPA is calculated in bands. Anything above 80 gives you an H1 or 7.0 contribution to your GPA (7.0 is the max). 75-79 is 6.5, 70-74 is 6.0 etc.
You add them all up, weight them for years of study and calculate the average. Whilst some students have perfect 7.0 GPAs the majority don't.
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Getting above 90% is hard. Some subjects facilitate it because they have easy assessment but on average - hard. Uni marks are going to be lower than school marks, I can guarantee you that.
For the purposes of medicine, GPA is calculated in bands. Anything above 80 gives you an H1 or 7.0 contribution to your GPA (7.0 is the max). 75-89 is 6.5, 70-74 is 6.0 etc.
You add them all up, weight them for years of study and calculate the average. Whilst some students have perfect 7.0 GPAs the majority don't.
sorry but you say >80 =7.0, but then 75-89 =6.5, little confused
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Typo, it's 75-79.
Check the ACER handbook (http://gamsat.acer.edu.au/images/documents/graduate_admission_guide_2011.pdf). On page 17 there's a table that outlines it (UoM is column F)
If you apply, that thing will be your bible.
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Typo, it's 75-79.
Check the ACER handbook (http://gamsat.acer.edu.au/images/documents/graduate_admission_guide_2011.pdf). On page 17 there's a table that outlines it (UoM is column F)
If you apply, that thing will be your bible.
cheers russ
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90% is pro - especially for maths subjects since most maths assessments are heavily weighted on the exam. A lot of maths subjects have a 80% weighting on the exam. The only exception I've come across is a subject called Calculus 2, which is 75% exam.
So just say it's 20% assignments and 80% exam, if you only got 10% in the assignments and 50% in the exam, that's:
10% + 40%= 50%
which is a mere pass in the subject.
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Yeah the only times I've gotten >90 for a result is when the exam has been particularly easy (ie the same as the last year).
Getting 80 is your goal because there's no GPA difference.
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Yeah the only times I've gotten >90 for a result is when the exam has been particularly easy (ie the same as the last year).
Getting 80 is your goal because there's no GPA difference.
Yep. That's why getting a H1 (First Class Honours) is a very big achievement and definitely does give you bragging rights. And if you start getting a bunch of them, you're definitely set in not only doing a postgraduate course of your choice, but a very good chance in getting a scholarship for it as well. Also, it looks good to potential employers.
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90% is pro - especially for maths subjects since most maths assessments are heavily weighted on the exam. A lot of maths subjects have a 80% weighting on the exam. The only exception I've come across is a subject called Calculus 2, which is 75% exam.
So just say it's 20% assignments and 80% exam, if you only got 10% in the assignments and 50% in the exam, that's:
10% + 40%= 50%
which is a mere pass in the subject.
but getting 10% in assignments is unlikely right?
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@mikee65, I think he meant 50% in the assignments, which would add 10 to your final mark out of 100 (which is how I went for assignments in maths this semester...)
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@mikee65, I think he meant 50% in the assignments, which would add 10 to your final mark out of 100 (which is how I went for assignments in maths this semester...)
Yes, this. Once you get below 60% in assignments and or tests, it really becomes an uphill battle... just to pass, let alone get a H1.
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Lol.
Well I don't do Biomed or Sci but I have received a score over 90 only a handful of times.
Three times for a core and once for a history essay.
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language subjects, especially dead language subjects are easier to do well in. as russ said, the assessment facilitates it.
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language subjects, especially dead language subjects are easier to do well in. as russ said, the assessment facilitates it.
oh really? what languages did you do, and howd you go?
i would have thought languages would be hard at uni - so intensive! wrong i guess??
(still wanting to do them though ^^)
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Beginner's anything (french/italian etc) is super easy apparently, the assessment is very minimal.
Once you start moving up the ladder, it gets harder. Friend has a set text to write an essay on, which I thought was quite an effort lol
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yeah. the beginner's levels (1st year) concentrate on grammar, etc, which is a finite set of rules you can master. when the assessment is expression then it's harder. i found latin composition really hard.
i averaged 95 for the 4 units i did before semester 2, 3 beginner's and an intermediate, so it's doable. pity they weren't third year subjects :P
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yeah. the beginner's levels (1st year) concentrate on grammar, etc, which is a finite set of rules you can master. when the assessment is expression then it's harder. i found latin composition really hard.
i averaged 95 for the 4 units i did before semester 2, 3 beginner's and an intermediate, so it's doable. pity they weren't third year subjects :P
oh wow that's amazing, well done ^^
were you actually allowed to do beginners latin considering you already had a 33?
btw, when did you start having to compose then? in first years?
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a little composition in 1st year, more in 2nd year. usually 3 sentences per week, so still not much compared to a modern language. mind you, those three could give you a lot of trouble.
as for doing beginner's, i had done vce latin in 2007 and hadn't even looked at any latin since then.
the intermediate was going to be too much if i didn't refresh my latin. the moral of the story is use it or lose it.
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a little composition in 1st year, more in 2nd year. usually 3 sentences per week, so still not much compared to a modern language. mind you, those three could give you a lot of trouble.
as for doing beginner's, i had done vce latin in 2007 and hadn't even looked at any latin since then.
the intermediate was going to be too much if i didn't refresh my latin. the moral of the story is use it or lose it.
Yep that's true, regardless 95% average is awesome! :p
Cheers for the info, may want to do it next year :)
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go for it! since you reckon latin's so easy, it should be a doddle for you :D
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go for it! since you reckon latin's so easy, it should be a doddle for you :D
Obviously you cant do latin if your doing a science degree?
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go for it! since you reckon latin's so easy, it should be a doddle for you :D
Obviously you cant do latin if your doing a science degree?
What do you mean?
You can do Latin as breadth in any degree :)
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go for it! since you reckon latin's so easy, it should be a doddle for you :D
Obviously you cant do latin if your doing a science degree?
What do you mean?
You can do Latin as breadth in any degree :)
mm how many breadth subjects do we do a year? are they compulsory and become inclusive of the 8 subject limit?
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You have to do 300 points over 3 years (100 points = 8 subjects) but how you organise it is up to you.
In general you do 3 subjects for your course and 1 breadth per semester, but you can mix it up (2 and 2, 4 and 0 etc)
Breadth rules just changed, you MUST do a minimum of 4 over your degree, of which a maximum of 3 can be first year level. You can then decide whether or not you want to do another 2 breadth or do 2 selective subjects for your degree instead.
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You have to do 300 points over 3 years (100 points = 8 subjects) but how you organise it is up to you.
In general you do 3 subjects for your course and 1 breadth per semester, but you can mix it up (2 and 2, 4 and 0 etc)
Breadth rules just changed, you MUST do a minimum of 4 over your degree, of which a maximum of 3 can be first year level. You can then decide whether or not you want to do another 2 breadth or do 2 selective subjects for your degree instead.
ah, thanks Russ. Have you done the gamsat yet? Im wondering if I need to do all of chem and bio maybe even physics bc of S3 of the gamsat however im worried it will drag down my gpa doing chem seems hard.
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If you didn't do physics at high school, you need to do it. You could probably scrape by without doing uni biology if you have high school biology. You must do uni chem, high school chemistry won't cut it.
If you don't do bio/chem at uni, you can't get into UoM MD
Go look at the thread in the UMAT subforum on the GAMSAT
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If you didn't do physics at high school, you need to do it. You could probably scrape by without doing uni biology if you have high school biology. You must do uni chem, high school chemistry won't cut it.
If you don't do bio/chem at uni, you can't get into UoM MD
Go look at the thread in the UMAT subforum on the GAMSAT
Yes you definitely need to do science/biomed at melbourne doing biology/chemistry subjects in order to do MD at melbourne, but not other degrees.
You can self-learn the physics part since its only up to high school level, use Khan Academy (online free videos) if you like as they are apparently very good.. Anyway you choose, since uni will only go further into the course than needed. Check the GAMSAT prep materials if you need to be sure what you have to know
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Would like to know know the following please
-Is it easier to obtain a higher GPA in science or biomed, or are they the same? (also consider I may need a high GPA just to transfer from this degree to a med degree after first year :P)
-Do breadth subjects count towards your GPA at UoM?
-At Monash Uni, if you do science or biomed science, are you forced to take elective subjects like UoM breadth, and if so do these count towards your GPA?
-Finally, don't think this matters, but is it easier to get a high GPA at UoM or Monash?
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Would like to know know the following please
-Is it easier to obtain a higher GPA in science or biomed, or are they the same? (also consider I may need a high GPA just to transfer from this degree to a med degree after first year :P)
-Do breadth subjects count towards your GPA at UoM?
-At Monash Uni, if you do science or biomed science, are you forced to take elective subjects like UoM breadth, and if so do these count towards your GPA?
-Finally, don't think this matters, but is it easier to get a high GPA at UoM or Monash?
It's really up to you if biomedicine or science will give you a higher GPA. Probably science because you can choose ALL your subjects and not take ones you may feel you wont get a good GPA (especially first year with calculus and such) otherwise if you do the same subjects you will be fine.
Also, there are subjects in biomedicine that count 2 subjects as 1 so your grade for this subject counts like two subjects, which can be good or bad.
and biomedicine/science between Monash and Melb is no difference in GPA, just the subjects are different is all - so depends on your interests/strengths.
Monash you don't have to do breadth subjects like Melbourne does, you can do all science subjects if you wish.
Annnnd, GPA does include all subjects including breadth when applying for med.
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Would like to know know the following please
-Is it easier to obtain a higher GPA in science or biomed, or are they the same? (also consider I may need a high GPA just to transfer from this degree to a med degree after first year :P)
-Do breadth subjects count towards your GPA at UoM?
-At Monash Uni, if you do science or biomed science, are you forced to take elective subjects like UoM breadth, and if so do these count towards your GPA?
-Finally, don't think this matters, but is it easier to get a high GPA at UoM or Monash?
It's really up to you if biomedicine or science will give you a higher GPA. Probably science because you can choose ALL your subjects and not take ones you may feel you wont get a good GPA (especially first year with calculus and such) otherwise if you do the same subjects you will be fine.
Also, there are subjects in biomedicine that count 2 subjects as 1 so your grade for this subject counts like two subjects, which can be good or bad.
and biomedicine/science between Monash and Melb is no difference in GPA, just the subjects are different is all - so depends on your interests/strengths.
Monash you don't have to do breadth subjects like Melbourne does, you can do all science subjects if you wish.
Annnnd, GPA does include all subjects including breadth when applying for med.
Thanks. That throws a spanner in the works. May have to consider Monash then, because as interesting as some of the Breadth subjects look, I am dead set on doing med and the last thing I need is for them to screw up my chances of getting into it.
Strategically, science at Monash may just be the best option. Somewhat lackluster though. :S
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Your best option then is probably the Science Scholar's Program or whatever it's called at Monash, ATAR of 99.XX and you can choose all your subjects.
And not just science since at monash you can't choose your subjects either with Biomedicine.
I'd say Science at melbourne is the best option (after the scholar's program), since you can choose breadth subjects that you know you can do well at. For example languages, if you start learning the language now, you can always be ahead of the class, and its pretty easy if you learn a language like Spanish that was many resources available to practice/learn and since its probably the easiest language to learn - i can tell you how if you want... but you wont have troubles and then can fly through each year. And then when your breadth requirement is up (you dont have to do 8 anymore, the requirement is less) drop Spanish and enjoy freedom of subjects+major.. Go melbourne science I'd say..
If you enjoy the uni more, its more likely you'll put in the effort to do well..
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Your best option then is probably the Science Scholar's Program or whatever it's called at Monash, ATAR of 99.XX and you can choose all your subjects.
And not just science since at monash you can't choose your subjects either with Biomedicine.
I'd say Science at melbourne is the best option (after the scholar's program), since you can choose breadth subjects that you know you can do well at. For example languages, if you start learning the language now, you can always be ahead of the class, and its pretty easy if you learn a language like Spanish that was many resources available to practice/learn and since its probably the easiest language to learn - i can tell you how if you want... but you wont have troubles and then can fly through each year. And then when your breadth requirement is up (you dont have to do 8 anymore, the requirement is less) drop Spanish and enjoy freedom of subjects+major.. Go melbourne science I'd say..
If you enjoy the uni more, its more likely you'll put in the effort to do well..
Thanks. So you are saying Scholars program at Monash before UoM Science?
And I agree about the Unis. I cannot bring myself to going to Monash. It looks so dull.
Everything is going to hinge on Breadth. I don't really understand the system or how it works, and which subjects I should choose to do/exploit... I am not keen at all on essay writing, which most seem to involve.
Sorry to quote your location, but I am 'vaguely lost' haha
Edit: Will not get a 40 in Methods, so can cross Scholars Program off. :(
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You will definitely get 40 in methods.
But i would never put the scholars program before melbourne simply because i dont like monash ^^
i was just saying for your situation if you really cared...
Id say go to melbourne, and do the required breadth - its not much but its good to do something different.
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You will definitely get 40 in methods.
But i would never put the scholars program before melbourne simply because i dont like monash ^^
i was just saying for your situation if you really cared...
Id say go to melbourne, and do the required breadth - its not much but its good to do something different.
Trust me I wont. :P Absolute disaster, as I would have bet everything I own on getting 40+ in methods at the start of the year. Oh well.
So looking at this
https://breadth.unimelb.edu.au/breadth/info/Science.html
You only need to do 2 breadth subjects per semester is that right? Then I can take more science subs?
And yeah, I just cannot bring myself to go to Monash. Currently have:
1. BioMed @ UoM
2. Science @ UoM
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I hope you're not saying what i think you're saying... choosing subjects purely for GPA? Pick what you enjoy and you WILL get into med. Don't mickey your way through, that's what fags do.
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You will definitely get 40 in methods.
But i would never put the scholars program before melbourne simply because i dont like monash ^^
i was just saying for your situation if you really cared...
Id say go to melbourne, and do the required breadth - its not much but its good to do something different.
Trust me I wont. :P Absolute disaster, as I would have bet everything I own on getting 40+ in methods at the start of the year. Oh well.
So looking at this
https://breadth.unimelb.edu.au/breadth/info/Science.html
You only need to do 2 breadth subjects per semester is that right? Then I can take more science subs?
And yeah, I just cannot bring myself to go to Monash. Currently have:
1. BioMed @ UoM
2. Science @ UoM
you take 1 per semester, but then you can go back to just science subjects after doing a few breadth subjects, i think its 4 or 6, sorry can't remember but check the site.
but do science if you want more choice, really only first year though, so you should do what you feel is best.
i think biomed is only better because of the focus on humans rather then on plants too for the biology subjects :) i have no interest in plant biology so wont be too keen to listen/learn. thats just a little thing though
i bet you can get an HD for calculas & data analysis so its fine.
im sure physics could be fine too :)
but yep up to you to choose biomed or science!
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I don't think you should be seriously considering changing degrees because of breadth. Nobody I know hates the breadth subjects for damaging their GPA. Assuming you do the bare minimum of 4 breadth, given the weighting of subjects it works out to only be 12.5% (1/8th) of your 3 year GPA. There are breadth subjects that are great, there are breadth subjects that are horrible (you can replace breadth with science elective).
I personally love the breadth program, but I can appreciate how you'd be intimidated if you don't like essay writing - there are plenty of breadth that don't require it and you can do well in. If you don't mind being bored for a semester, do introductory microeconomics because it's really not that hard. That said, get used to writing essays and reports because you'll have to do it, even in science/biomed. I probably wrote 5-6000 words of reports this semester.
Yes you definitely need to do science/biomed at melbourne doing biology/chemistry subjects in order to do MD at melbourne, but not other degrees
You can theoretically do it through breadth in any other degree but if you're going to do that, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just go BSc in the first place.
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^ Yeah you can, but you need to overload and pay heaps of money or do at another uni (like open uni but very expensive) to do extra subjects due to two semesters of biology, 2 semesters of chemistry (first year) are required as well as the three anatomy, physiology & biochemistry = 7 subjects..
anyways agreeing with Russ do breadth! they are fun, who wants to live life if its all about planning ahead so much and ruining your fun now?
i am doing double breadth perhaps the entire time (diploma+breadth) since i'd rather have fun with subjects i want to do as well as science ones, then have to think back in the future and how i should have done those..
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You can do Pass/Fail breadth subjects like African Drum and Dance that's really easy and doesn't count towards GPA.
I also suggest planning your breadth sequence well and don't be deceived by the awesome looking handbook entry. Look up student subject reviews and ask your friends for lecture notes to see what the subject is like.
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Also, don't do anything with sex in the name just because of that
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I don't think you should be seriously considering changing degrees because of breadth. Nobody I know hates the breadth subjects for damaging their GPA. Assuming you do the bare minimum of 4 breadth, given the weighting of subjects it works out to only be 12.5% (1/8th) of your 3 year GPA. There are breadth subjects that are great, there are breadth subjects that are horrible (you can replace breadth with science elective).
I personally love the breadth program, but I can appreciate how you'd be intimidated if you don't like essay writing - there are plenty of breadth that don't require it and you can do well in. If you don't mind being bored for a semester, do introductory microeconomics because it's really not that hard. That said, get used to writing essays and reports because you'll have to do it, even in science/biomed. I probably wrote 5-6000 words of reports this semester.
Yes you definitely need to do science/biomed at melbourne doing biology/chemistry subjects in order to do MD at melbourne, but not other degrees
You can theoretically do it through breadth in any other degree but if you're going to do that, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just go BSc in the first place.
That is fine. Like I said, it would take a lot for me to even consider Monash. So only 4 breadth subjects over the whole degree? I have no issue with that. I thought it was like four per year or something. :P One subject outside of science per semester will be a nice break. I will just need to choose between biomed and science, but as vexx says, I am not at all keen on plant biology, so still leaning towards biomed. The rest seems pretty standard (physics and chem) and then after that everything is related to human biology which I know that I will enjoy. Calculus will also break things up nicely. :)
Just wanted to be sure, because I know I will need a relatively good GPA that is all. :)
I hope you're not saying what i think you're saying... choosing subjects purely for GPA? Pick what you enjoy and you WILL get into med. Don't mickey your way through, that's what fags do.
Aren't you going to Monash? :P
And no, I am not choosing them purely for GPA, but I need to ensure I can do well in them. It is in everyones interest to play the system to an extent, rather than what happened in VCE where I lacked sufficient knowledge about the system until it was too late and got dudded everywhere. (no lote, no spesh maths, no extra year 11 3/4s, no enhancement subs etc.)
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that's what fags do.
There are a LOT of people at uni who would take serious offence to that sort of rubbish. There are a lot more who would stick up for mates who would.
Lift your game.
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that's what fags do.
There are a LOT of people at uni who would take serious offence to that sort of rubbish. There are a lot more who would stick up for mates who would.
Lift your game.
i'm sure many wouldn't take offence - exaggeration. but most would agree it was inappropriate or at least didn't make sense in that context.
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3 questions
1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?
2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?
3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?
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3 questions
1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?
2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?
3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?
1. The subjects are different. Instead of Chemistry, Physics and Biology they are all 'Chemistry, Physics and Biology for Biomedicine.'
2. As you have not done chem, I think you may have to do science at monash, as it is not a prereq there. (not 100% sure though)
Edit: Just checked and methods + biology is fine for science @ melb. :)
3. https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/faces/htdocs/user/breadth/BreadthSearch.jsp
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3 questions
1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?
2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?
3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?
1. The subjects are different. Instead of Chemistry, Physics and Biology they are all 'Chemistry, Physics and Biology for Biomedicine.'
2. As you have not done chem, I think you may have to do science at monash, as it is not a prereq there. (not 100% sure though)
3. https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/faces/htdocs/user/breadth/BreadthSearch.jsp
I can do BSc at UoM as ive done bio. Would that kind of difference btw biomed/sci become a disadvantage (exp ppls??) doesnt really matter as I have no choice haha
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3 questions
1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?
2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?
3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?
1. The subjects are different. Instead of Chemistry, Physics and Biology they are all 'Chemistry, Physics and Biology for Biomedicine.'
2. As you have not done chem, I think you may have to do science at monash, as it is not a prereq there. (not 100% sure though)
3. https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/faces/htdocs/user/breadth/BreadthSearch.jsp
I can do BSc at UoM as ive done bio. Would that kind of difference become a disadvantage (exp ppls??) doesnt really matter as I have no choice haha
Yeah, you're right. I just double checked.
Check the prerequisites for the three required subjects. Also, you will need to do physics, as it is on the GAMSAT.
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Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
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3 questions
1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?
2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?
3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?
1. The subjects are different. Instead of Chemistry, Physics and Biology they are all 'Chemistry, Physics and Biology for Biomedicine.'
2. As you have not done chem, I think you may have to do science at monash, as it is not a prereq there. (not 100% sure though)
3. https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/faces/htdocs/user/breadth/BreadthSearch.jsp
I can do BSc at UoM as ive done bio. Would that kind of difference become a disadvantage (exp ppls??) doesnt really matter as I have no choice haha
Yeah, you're right. I just double checked.
Check the prerequisites for the three required subjects. Also, you will need to do physics, as it is on the GAMSAT.
how are you preparing for physics? at uni? or just go over yr 12 bc thats the req level
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Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
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3 questions
1) vexx im a little confused about that plant biology ect because all subjects in biomed are offered in bSc except like 2 of them but still eg biochem is the same biochem between degrees ie no discrepancy yea?
2) So if youre planning do the MD at UoM, and not have done chem or physics at school what should be done? Anatomy, physiology, chem and biology and or biochemistry ? not both?
3)What kind of breadth subjects are people taking is there a list to choose from or something?
1. The subjects are different. Instead of Chemistry, Physics and Biology they are all 'Chemistry, Physics and Biology for Biomedicine.'
2. As you have not done chem, I think you may have to do science at monash, as it is not a prereq there. (not 100% sure though)
3. https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/faces/htdocs/user/breadth/BreadthSearch.jsp
I can do BSc at UoM as ive done bio. Would that kind of difference become a disadvantage (exp ppls??) doesnt really matter as I have no choice haha
Yeah, you're right. I just double checked.
Check the prerequisites for the three required subjects. Also, you will need to do physics, as it is on the GAMSAT.
how are you preparing for physics? at uni? or just go over yr 12 bc thats the req level
Russ says first year uni physics is what he did. I am planning on the same. From a lot of forums, people have stated that 1st year uni physics better prepares you than VCE physics.
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Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
It is a second year subject for everyone. You need first year chem , and biology is strongly recommended. :)
Edit: That is the wrong Anatomy and Physiology. It says graduate. I'll try and find the right one.
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Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
It is a second year subject for everyone. You need first year chem , and biology is strongly recommended. :)
mkay, is russ doing sci or biomed? russ if youre reading how much does doing the gamsat sciences between degrees contribute to the general qs seen on s3 gamsat?
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Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
It is a second year subject for everyone. You need first year chem , and biology is strongly recommended. :)
Edit: That is the wrong Anatomy and Physiology. It says graduate. I'll try and find the right one.
They are called Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology
Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
It is a second year subject for everyone. You need first year chem , and biology is strongly recommended. :)
mkay, is russ doing sci or biomed? russ if youre reading how much does doing the gamsat sciences between degrees contribute to the general qs seen on s3 gamsat?
No difference really, the scientific knowledge basically gives you the background and it just helps you to work from the given stimulus in the question
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Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
It is a second year subject for everyone. You need first year chem , and biology is strongly recommended. :)
Edit: That is the wrong Anatomy and Physiology. It says graduate. I'll try and find the right one.
They are called Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology
Anatomy and Physiology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/ANAT90011
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/BCMB20002
So we could only do Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2nd year due to pre req?
It is a second year subject for everyone. You need first year chem , and biology is strongly recommended. :)
mkay, is russ doing sci or biomed? russ if youre reading how much does doing the gamsat sciences between degrees contribute to the general qs seen on s3 gamsat?
No difference really, the scientific knowledge basically gives you the background and it just helps you to work from the given stimulus in the question
ah thanks ed, so in addition to anatomy and physiology, Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology is also req.
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^huh..?
an anatomy and physiology subject = Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology
and also biochem subject is required.
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^huh..?
an anatomy and physiology subject = Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology
and also biochem subject is required.
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I am totally looking at Biomed atm. All the choosing in science is putting my off haha. I know I will pick the wrong thing by mistake and probably miss a prereq somewhere.
And also, people have constantly told me that Science subs are the same as biomed ones, but from here everyone says they are actually different and suited towards human biology, which suits me better. :)
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^ yeah just do biomed, probs be doing it too.. but i still thinking science
either will be gewwwwd!
decisions, decisssssssions!
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^huh..?
an anatomy and physiology subject = Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology
and also biochem subject is required.
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I am totally looking at Biomed atm. All the choosing in science is putting my off haha. I know I will pick the wrong thing by mistake and probably miss a prereq somewhere.
And also, people have constantly told me that Science subs are the same as biomed ones, but from here everyone says they are actually different and suited towards human biology, which suits me better. :)
Yeah, they're similar, but more focused on the topics you'll need. For example, my physics 2 (science and technology), focussed a lot on stuff like energy transfers, nuclear physics, etc. Your physics (physics for biomed), focusses on topics like Bernoulli equations and whatnot. Then again, there is a third subject called Physics 2: Life Sciences and Environment which is very similar.
If you're set on some sort of medical related thing (med, physio, etc), pick biomed. If you think you might end up doing biology, genetics, immunology or even something completely different, pick science. :)
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I do Biomed at MelbUni and have lots of friends in science too. If you are interested in health sciences, I would definitely, definitely recommend Biomed over Science. Biomed biology is a lot more relevant to human biology (especially in second semester). You have a lot less focus on stuff like classification of organisms (like in science biology), and virtually nothing on plants (huge emphasis in science biology). That said, if you want a "more rounded" education, then science is the way to go.
Chemistry for Biomed is most of the stuff from Chemistry 1 and Chemistry 2 which is relevant to human chemistry. Some of it is covered in less depth, so probably easier (though the actual content is the hardest topics from Chem 2).
Physics for Biomed is notoriously bad...hopefully you've already done physics and you get to do Physics 2: Life Sciences, which is far more organised.
In terms of getting a high GPA, I haven't found it too bad so far for Biomed (I had a 96.5% GPA in Sem 1 - though that took MAJOR crammage in swotvac). Average across the cohort last year for Sem 1 was 75% apparently. Might be a reflection of the level of competition in the subject though.
Also, they seem to throw around statistics that 40% of the medicine intake came from biomed or something like that. either that or 40% of biomed got into med. So if that's your aim in going to UniMelb, it might be something of consideration.
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I do Biomed at MelbUni and have lots of friends in science too. If you are interested in health sciences, I would definitely, definitely recommend Biomed over Science. Biomed biology is a lot more relevant to human biology (especially in second semester). You have a lot less focus on stuff like classification of organisms (like in science biology), and virtually nothing on plants (huge emphasis in science biology). That said, if you want a "more rounded" education, then science is the way to go.
Chemistry for Biomed is most of the stuff from Chemistry 1 and Chemistry 2 which is relevant to human chemistry. Some of it is covered in less depth, so probably easier (though the actual content is the hardest topics from Chem 2).
Physics for Biomed is notoriously bad...hopefully you've already done physics and you get to do Physics 2: Life Sciences, which is far more organised.
In terms of getting a high GPA, I haven't found it too bad so far for Biomed (I had a 96.5% GPA in Sem 1 - though that took MAJOR crammage in swotvac). Average across the cohort last year for Sem 1 was 75% apparently. Might be a reflection of the level of competition in the subject though.
Also, they seem to throw around statistics that 40% of the medicine intake came from biomed or something like that. either that or 40% of biomed got into med. So if that's your aim in going to UniMelb, it might be something of consideration.
Great post. Thanks.
So Physics for Biomed is not good?
I have only done 1/2 VCE physics. Any chance of getting into the normal one?
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Does anybody know what they mean by "A cumulative GPA of 3.0 or equivalent (on a 4.0 scale) or better" here: http://www.gla.ac.uk/international/abroadexchange/studyabroadprogramme/howtoapply/?
I took a look around the web for some kind of a conversion chart, but the best I could find was something like this http://faculty.cascadia.edu/dwhittaker/percent2gpa.htm, but seriously? An 84% average for exchange? Surely that's just for high school or something? :o
What Melbourne Uni average would I need to be eligible?
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I have only done 1/2 VCE physics. Any chance of getting into the normal one?
Nah, not worth it anyway. Fundamentals only lasts one semester, then you're back up to scratch and with the rest of the physics 2 cohort (there's no physics 2 fundamentals).
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I do Biomed at MelbUni and have lots of friends in science too. If you are interested in health sciences, I would definitely, definitely recommend Biomed over Science. Biomed biology is a lot more relevant to human biology (especially in second semester). You have a lot less focus on stuff like classification of organisms (like in science biology), and virtually nothing on plants (huge emphasis in science biology). That said, if you want a "more rounded" education, then science is the way to go.
Chemistry for Biomed is most of the stuff from Chemistry 1 and Chemistry 2 which is relevant to human chemistry. Some of it is covered in less depth, so probably easier (though the actual content is the hardest topics from Chem 2).
Physics for Biomed is notoriously bad...hopefully you've already done physics and you get to do Physics 2: Life Sciences, which is far more organised.
In terms of getting a high GPA, I haven't found it too bad so far for Biomed (I had a 96.5% GPA in Sem 1 - though that took MAJOR crammage in swotvac). Average across the cohort last year for Sem 1 was 75% apparently. Might be a reflection of the level of competition in the subject though.
Also, they seem to throw around statistics that 40% of the medicine intake came from biomed or something like that. either that or 40% of biomed got into med. So if that's your aim in going to UniMelb, it might be something of consideration.
Great post. Thanks.
So Physics for Biomed is not good?
I have only done 1/2 VCE physics. Any chance of getting into the normal one?
hmm yeah why is physics for biomed so bad?
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Physics for Biomed is bad because they try to teach physics from scratch to people who have not done any physics before, taking you up to a second semester first year level in the space of one semester. This means that your 1/2 knowledge may help you a bit.
But also, some questions are super ambiguous and unclear. The content by the end of Physics of Biomed is a lot of what you would get from Units 1/2/3/4 + Life Sciences (the subject for people who have done VCE) minus detailed studies. Yet there were questions in the prac Biomed exam which I couldn't do. Lots of good students who did Physics for Biomed struggled, and I am not convinced that this was entirely their fault for not knowing their stuff. On the prac exam too, there was a question which had an "answer" that was completely impossible. I helped someone write an e-mail to query and they admitted it was wrong.
Life Sciences covers a lot of the same content, but the questions are quite clear, the lecturers are generally good (particularly the later ones), and does less diversity and more detail on certain concepts. However, I think it would be a struggle if you hadn't done Units 3/4 seeing as there are a lot of concepts such as magnetism and detailed electricity and general concepts (eg. circular motion) which are only brought in for the Yr 12 course.
That said, I can probably help to give a clearer picture when the results for this semester come up - I'll talk to others in biomed about it.
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I did physics for biomedicine and that is quite true, but I don't think it's substantial enough to destroy your mark. I only had a couple of days of study for it and managed to get a decent mark
Also, they seem to throw around statistics that 40% of the medicine intake came from biomed or something like that. either that or 40% of biomed got into med. So if that's your aim in going to UniMelb, it might be something of consideration.
When did they say this?
And also, people have constantly told me that Science subs are the same as biomed ones, but from here everyone says they are actually different and suited towards human biology, which suits me better.
The core subjects are different, the elective subjects for your 50 point major will be the same (ie shared with BSc students). Second year is where it's really noticeable, you do the two 25pt core subjects that cover everything (biochem, anatomy, physiology, immuno, micro, genetics etc.). At the end of your degree you'll emerge with very similar knowledge if you majored in similar areas.
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Yeh - I think the content of Physics for Biomed is quite good...just I've heard that it's not taught that well. I didn't actually do it though, so your first-hand experience is probably better. Did many people manage to get H1's who did Physics for Biomed?
I should also have qualified what I meant about the similar subjects. If you choose to do BSci with an eye towards a postgrad med degree, then your subject choices will be such that you cover quite similar material as the Biomed cohort. That said, the Biomed course automatically facilitates more core and elective choices that are specifically linked to humans, while subjects you take in BSci may cover a broader range of topics (but some perhaps in not as much depth). The names of the core subjects ARE different. The electives between the two degrees overlap though.
Re: 40% statistic - there was some lunch thing for people with "guaranteed places" into all graduate degrees and the dean of admissions was there. When people were asking him questions, it came up and spread through our first year biomed cohort like wildfire.
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^huh..?
an anatomy and physiology subject = Principles of Human Structure and Integrative Human Physiology
and also biochem subject is required.
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I am totally looking at Biomed atm. All the choosing in science is putting my off haha. I know I will pick the wrong thing by mistake and probably miss a prereq somewhere.
And also, people have constantly told me that Science subs are the same as biomed ones, but from here everyone says they are actually different and suited towards human biology, which suits me better. :)
Here are the subjects you need to satisfy the prerequisites:
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,10665.msg132757.html#msg132757
If you are intending to PG med through BSc it doesn't make much difference. I thought parts of first year science subjects were horribly boring (Biology - botany, zoology), obviously subjects like these are not meant to target specifically students with an interest in Health Sciences. But thats OK as you can get through these easily.
Second year prerequisite subjects are quite similar to Biomed subjects. They are within the MDHS faculty so you are pretty much safe from having to learn plant and animal science. Subjects like anatomy and physiology have similar lecture material compared to the anat/physiol covered in Biomed. However if you want to learn the other stuff covered in Biomed core subs like Pharmacol and Cell Biol, you can take them as separate subjects.
If you had the choice, I would say go for Biomed, but if you can't, Science isn't a bad choice and you have nothing to lose :)
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Physics for Biomed is bad because they try to teach physics from scratch to people who have not done any physics before, taking you up to a second semester first year level in the space of one semester. This means that your 1/2 knowledge may help you a bit.
But also, some questions are super ambiguous and unclear. The content by the end of Physics of Biomed is a lot of what you would get from Units 1/2/3/4 + Life Sciences (the subject for people who have done VCE) minus detailed studies. Yet there were questions in the prac Biomed exam which I couldn't do. Lots of good students who did Physics for Biomed struggled, and I am not convinced that this was entirely their fault for not knowing their stuff. On the prac exam too, there was a question which had an "answer" that was completely impossible. I helped someone write an e-mail to query and they admitted it was wrong.
Life Sciences covers a lot of the same content, but the questions are quite clear, the lecturers are generally good (particularly the later ones), and does less diversity and more detail on certain concepts. However, I think it would be a struggle if you hadn't done Units 3/4 seeing as there are a lot of concepts such as magnetism and detailed electricity and general concepts (eg. circular motion) which are only brought in for the Yr 12 course.
That said, I can probably help to give a clearer picture when the results for this semester come up - I'll talk to others in biomed about it.
what about physics for BSci, if you havnt done vce physics should we take it or go back to vce physics?
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I didn't do a first semester physics subject but I have a strong suspicion they just teach it from scratch in Physics 1. So if you haven't done physics but you do BSci physics in Semester 1, you should be ok. I had a friend who did that (hadn't done VCE physics) and did my Physics 2 subject with me in second semester and they seemed to cope.
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Physics results are out - big spread of marks in both physics subjects. People who did Physics for Biomed have told me they have a feeling their results were scaled slightly, but I know two people who did really well (a 93 and a 92). Some people who didn't do as well, spready from mid 60s to mid 70s.
Similar results with Physics 2: Life Sciences, which is what I did. I got 93, which I'm pretty happy with (though I was hoping for maybe one or two percent higher since my current result means my exam was just on the cusp of 90% and I thought I did a bit better). Similar spread across the board with other friends who did it though. In short, both physics seem to have similar results after any scaling that may or may not have been done. In my opinion, ours was still better organised and less ambiguous questions, though both have interesting subject content. Also goes to show that it is very possible to get high marks in either - people who got high marks in Physics for Biomed were similarly uncertain coming out of the exam because of ambiguous questions. Overall, it appears harder to get in the top end of physics than some of the other first year subjects (notably biology, where there were some higher 97+ scores and maths, where 100 is very possible).
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Physics results are out - big spread of marks in both physics subjects. People who did Physics for Biomed have told me they have a feeling their results were scaled slightly, but I know two people who did really well (a 93 and a 92). Some people who didn't do as well, spready from mid 60s to mid 70s.
Similar results with Physics 2: Life Sciences, which is what I did. I got 93, which I'm pretty happy with (though I was hoping for maybe one or two percent higher since my current result means my exam was just on the cusp of 90% and I thought I did a bit better). Similar spread across the board with other friends who did it though. In short, both physics seem to have similar results after any scaling that may or may not have been done. In my opinion, ours was still better organised and less ambiguous questions, though both have interesting subject content. Also goes to show that it is very possible to get high marks in either - people who got high marks in Physics for Biomed were similarly uncertain coming out of the exam because of ambiguous questions. Overall, it appears harder to get in the top end of physics than some of the other first year subjects (notably biology, where there were some higher 97+ scores and maths, where 100 is very possible).
can you explain difference bw both physics and if its worth doing if you havnt done vce phys? for (BSc). btw are you Bsc or biomed?
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I'm in Biomed - as part of the biomed course, you have to do a unit of physics in 2nd semester.
If you haven't done VCE Physics, you must do "Physics for Biomedicine". This is only available to Biomedicine students.
If you have done VCE Physics, unless you performed exceptionally poorly, you must do "Physics 2: Life Sciences and Environment". This subject can also be accessed by Science students, most of whom will have done Physics 1 in Semester 1 (which is not available to Biomed students). For science students who have done Physics 1, there are various Physics 2 streams (one could intead of life sciences, do mechanical physics, or "advanced" physics). For biomed students, there are only the two options mentioned above.
The difference between the two subjects, I believe, is that the first (Physics for Biomed)assumes that you have done no Physics before, because there is no opportunity to do Physics 1 for Biomed students and they have not done 3/4. They attempt to start from scratch and move quite quickly through kinematics and motion (eg. momentum, constant accel equations, projectile motion etc. etc.) before covering the same areas of study in Physics 2: Life Sciences (which leaves out kinematics and does just thermal, fluids, electrostatics, circuits, magnetism and radiation). Obviously the latter covers each topic in more detail, having a stronger foundation and more time to work with, but essentially the same broad topics and broad ideas are covered.
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I really want to learn some of the physics before uni starts. What text do you use in Physics for Biomed?
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They use "R Knight, B Jones and S Field, College Physics: A Strategic Approach, 2nd edition Addison-Wesley, 2010."
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/PHYC10007
That has details on the subject
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They use "R Knight, B Jones and S Field, College Physics: A Strategic Approach, 2nd edition Addison-Wesley, 2010."
https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/view/2011/PHYC10007
That has details on the subject
Thanks.
What is a common textbook which I can learn physics from over the summer?
I just want to download it now because I can't buy this book until I know I'm in, and I want to get ahead if possible. :S
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To learn first year physics, try and get a copy of Halliday/Resnick/Krane, which is very comprehensive.
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To learn first year physics, try and get a copy of Halliday/Resnick/Krane, which is very comprehensive.
I was going to message you haha. Thanks!
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Just about any textbook will be fine for 1st year chem/bio/physics/maths because it's not particularly specialised at all. Knight was decent but I didn't use it much (hell the VCE textbook is probably fine)
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Thanks. These books are pretty big.
Other than the obvious such as motion and electricity, what other areas/chapters should I focus on?
This is the semester 1 outline:
Mechanics: in the context of human and animal movement (introduction to Newton's laws of motion, energy transfer and transformation).
Waves: the basis of modern physics including lasers;
Fluids: blood flow, respiration (pressure in fluids, fluid flow, viscosity);
Thermal physics: energy balance of living organisms (thermal energy, temperature, heating processes, first law of thermodynamics);
Electricity and magnetism: bioelectricity, nerve conduction, electrical safety (forces between electric charges, electric circuits, resistance, capacitance, magnetic forces);
Atomic physics and lasers: fluorescence imaging and spectroscopy (structure of the atom, photons, spectroscopy, interaction of light with matter);
Radiation: radiation safety, therapeutic uses of radiation (the atomic nucleus, isotopes, nuclear decay and radiation, physical and biological half-life, ionising radiation); and
Imaging: modern biomedical imaging (X-rays, CT-scans and angiography, ultrasound imaging, positron emission tomography).
Learn this stuff?
Good thing I kinda have done half of it before so it shouldn't be too hard. :)
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If you post a picture of the contents page of one of your textbooks I'll tell you what to learn. I still have all my old lecture notes for physics, I might be convinced to check them when I put this semester's stuff into the box
Those categories are very broad and if you study "blood flow" you'll inevitably end up learning extra/unnecessary content
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I still have access to my portal with all the physics life sciences stuff :). I'll see what's suitable for you to look at (cos there is some overlap) when I get back home. If I were you though, I would choose one or two topics (probably motion and electricity, possibly waves) and learn them in detail because some people have felt that they're the hardest to grasp very, very quickly (some concepts such as energy and work especially)
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Thanks for the help so far every one. As I haven't really done physics properly before, and apparently it is pretty fast paced, it is best that I start now. :)
This is from Physics for Scientists and Engineers.
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Check out 1.5 because converting units is a pain but it's more of a nuisance than anything else.
Otherwise from memory for physics for biomedicine:
2.2 - 2.7
All of vectors will be covered in semester 1 so don't bother
4.1 - 4.8
5.2 - 5.3
6.1 - 6.2
7.1 - 7.4
8.1 - 8.9
9.1 - 9.5 (can't remember if inelastic was on the course)
13.1 - 13.14
In theory you should know oscillations/waves but nobody bothered and it wasn't assessed
20.1 - 20.4
21.1 - 21.10
23.1 - 23.8
24.1 - 24.6
25.1 - 25.7
26.1 - 26.7
27.1 - 27.4
28.1 - 28.5
29.1 - 29.4
Bits of 30 and 31, can't remember
For light, you need to know the particle/wave theory models but the application is limited
There will be a (very) tiny amount of introductory QM, ie Pauli exclusion principle, but don't bother learning it beforehand it's all simple
41.1 - 41.11
42.5 - 42.10
Definitely didn't realise how big the textbook was before I offered to do that lol
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Check out 1.5 because converting units is a pain but it's more of a nuisance than anything else.
Otherwise from memory for physics for biomedicine:
2.2 - 2.7
All of vectors will be covered in semester 1 so don't bother
4.1 - 4.8
5.2 - 5.3
6.1 - 6.2
7.1 - 7.4
8.1 - 8.9
9.1 - 9.5 (can't remember if inelastic was on the course)
13.1 - 13.14
In theory you should know oscillations/waves but nobody bothered and it wasn't assessed
20.1 - 20.4
21.1 - 21.10
23.1 - 23.8
24.1 - 24.6
25.1 - 25.7
26.1 - 26.7
27.1 - 27.4
28.1 - 28.5
29.1 - 29.4
Bits of 30 and 31, can't remember
For light, you need to know the particle/wave theory models but the application is limited
There will be a (very) tiny amount of introductory QM, ie Pauli exclusion principle, but don't bother learning it beforehand it's all simple
41.1 - 41.11
42.5 - 42.10
Definitely didn't realise how big the textbook was before I offered to do that lol
thanks. appreciate it. sorry if it took you ages.
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Nah i was just watching the cricket, I didn't mind
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Nah i was just watching the cricket, I didn't mind
so for BSc doing physics is recommended if we havnt done vce phys? Can the gamsat choose any phys topic that 1st yr covers?
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If you didn't do VCE physics then yes, you have to study physics at some point if you plan to sit the GAMSAT (well you don't HAVE to, but you're an idiot not to).
You can conceivably learn it yourself but there's a lot of content to cover. ACER claim that it's year 12 level only but some of the questions definitely seemed harder than that. Take the introductory physics subject for the students who didn't do VCE physics (there's a thread on this somewhere)
The GAMSAT can choose any physics topic but it'll probably limit it to electric circuits, force/weight and light
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If you didn't do VCE physics then yes, you have to study physics at some point if you plan to sit the GAMSAT (well you don't HAVE to, but you're an idiot not to).
You can conceivably learn it yourself but there's a lot of content to cover. ACER claim that it's year 12 level only but some of the questions definitely seemed harder than that. Take the introductory physics subject for the students who didn't do VCE physics (there's a thread on this somewhere)
The GAMSAT can choose any physics topic but it'll probably limit it to electric circuits, force/weight and light
ah alright, you wouldnt happen to have any gamsat S3 sample qs? You have done it before havnt you>?
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I can dig some out if you want to see them sure.
e, here you go. if you can't do them don't be surprised/worried. if you give them a shot there's an answer key somewhere if you PM me the results
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lol - those questions look quite hard...very glad I'm not doing the GAMSAT next year...
I used Physics: A strategic approach (not the one for Engineers and Scientists), and these were our chapters (slightly different, partially cos our subject is a bit different...I would go with Russ' ones first for Physics for Biomed off a no-physics background): [numbers from the latest edition]
10.1, 2 5; 11.1, 2, 3, 4, 5; 12.5, 7, 8 (thermal)
12.3, 13.1 - 7 (fluids)
20.1 - 6, 21.1 - 9, 22.1 - 6, 23.1 - 8, 24.1 - 7, 25.1 - 5 (electrostatics, circuits and magnetism)
29.2, 30.1, 2, 4 ; Chapter 30.2, 3, 4 ; Chapter 30.5, 6 ; Chapter 29.1, 3, 4 (the H atom spectrum) 7, 9; Chapter 28.1; 28.2; 30.7 (radiation)
But if you haven't done physics before, I'd definitely start with motion (Newton's Laws, etc. in detail)
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I can dig some out if you want to see them sure.
e, here you go. if you can't do them don't be surprised/worried. if you give them a shot there's an answer key somewhere if you PM me the results
great thanks russ, were exactly are these qs from? acer?
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Yes. From one of the practice booklets they publish and I can tell you that they're pretty damn similar to the real thing
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lol im just doing the first one now, cant remember anything is it C?
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Haven't found the answers yet but yeah that looks right
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Here are my answers to those questions, let me know if anyone disagrees... So as to not spoil it for everyone, the answers are 'white' so you have to highlight this post to see them :P
9. C 10. B 11. B
12. B
13. D
14. A 15. D
16. A 17. B 18. C
19. B 20. D 21. A
22. D 23. C
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Questions here are quite similar to the actual questions...
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I've looked on the first page, but my sister wants to know how her GPA is calculated (She goes to Monash)
She has a:
Weighted Average Mark (WAM) of 70.87, but only a GPA of 2.6?
This doesn't really correspond to Russ' theory of 80+ = 7.0, 75-79 = 6.5 etc?
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I think Melbourne goes by a 7 GPA point system whilst Monash has a 4?
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I've looked on the first page, but my sister wants to know how her GPA is calculated (She goes to Monash)
She has a:
Weighted Average Mark (WAM) of 70.87, but only a GPA of 2.6?
This doesn't really correspond to Russ' theory of 80+ = 7.0, 75-79 = 6.5 etc?
I think Russ posted for Melb Uni, which has a max GPA of 7.0, whereas monash has a max GPA of 4.0.
More details here:
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,34762.0.html
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Yep just found this for her:
http://www.monash.edu.au/exams/gpa-wam.html
So to get into Med however, you use your WAM to determine the Med Req's (As per the GAMSAT link Russ posted)
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Monash use 4 point system but you can't say that your WAM is 71 so your GPA is therefore 6.0
You have to convert every mark into its equivalent and then average/weight those appropriately.
So to get into Med however, you use your WAM to determine the Med Req's (As per the GAMSAT link Russ posted)
This confuses me..?
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Monash use 4 point system but you can't say that your WAM is 71 so your GPA is therefore 6.0
You have to convert every mark into its equivalent and then average/weight those appropriately.
So to get into Med however, you use your WAM to determine the Med Req's (As per the GAMSAT link Russ posted)
This confuses me..?
Nah it's OK, all good now.