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VCE Stuff => VCE Humanities => VCE Arts/Humanities/Health => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Ancient History => Topic started by: Menang on November 29, 2010, 10:59:56 pm
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Yup yup yup :)
I'm doing it. Are you? :P
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You're not going to find too many people on here studying it :P
I did, best subject even if it did lower my score!
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Sadly my school doesn't offer it :(
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i did it this year, sadly the outcome was not what i expected although a very good course to study and learn
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Yay Renaissance! :D
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Yup yup yup :)
I'm doing it. Are you? :P
Out of curiosity, is there any reason why you did revs first and then ren? Is the study design for revs changing next year?
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Ren is the sort of subject where you would really benefit from a year of history class experience
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Yup yup yup :)
I'm doing it. Are you? :P
Out of curiosity, is there any reason why you did revs first and then ren? Is the study design for revs changing next year?
Hahaha, actually, I never really thought about what Russ said, though it's quite true.
No real reason. Ren and philosophy are both impulse subjects. I only decided to do Ren towards the end of last year, and philosophy came even later. :)
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Me :) \
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I just had my first class!
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Yeah!!! Finally, people on VN who do Ren! :)
How have you found it so far? I love it, but there's so. much. reading! :P
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Ditto. It's an awesome subject but I have a whole bundle of reading to do before next week.
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Ditto. It's an awesome subject but I have a whole bundle of reading to do before next week.
So far, though, Robert Hole has been relatively easy to read and take notes on.
Alison Brown is much harder, imo, to write notes on! :S
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The only quote you need is "The fragmented nature of the Renaissance city made recommendations and introductions and access to networks a necessity." (Weissman)
I used that in every essay I wrote, my teacher got kinda pissed at me eventually lol
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The only quote you need is "The fragmented nature of the Renaissance city made recommendations and introductions and access to networks a necessity." (Weissman)
I used that in every essay I wrote, my teacher got kinda pissed at me eventually lol
Ahahaha, thanks. :P
We haven't quite got up to that yet though. :P
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True, you'd be doing Humanism and city states right now yeah? I have a ridiculous amount of Ren notes, lemme see if I can find them
Sigh, memories, I wish I hadn't given up on classics/renaissance after year 12 :(
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Yup, I've only had two classes so far, so we've mainly been doing the city states and the geography of Italy. :)
We had the best first lesson ever - our teacher brought in colour pencils so we could colour in the different city-states. :P
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I remember doing that as well. Let me know if you want any notes later in the year, I have a heck of a lot of Ren stuff (typically)
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Thanks! I'll definitely ask if I want anything. :)
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It's really interesting, but there's a lot of work to it. Does anyone know much about the city of Ferrara? I want to do part of my assignment on it, but there's really limited information on it (Geography I know, and the basics of its ruling class, but I need to know about it's economy). Anyone got any helpful hints/sites or anything?
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Wow, Ferrara? We haven't done much yet, and my personal reading so far has focused more of Florence, so I can't say.
Russ?
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It's a small kind of independant city-state within the Papal States. I only chose it for part of the assignment because I didn't wanna pick a state we go into a lot of detail about soon. Turns out it's harder than I thought, but I found the info I needed, so don't worry now =D
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I'm late but the only two things I know that will be much use are the Council of Ferrara/Florence and the fact that it was instrumental to the Venice/Papacy war and the Tiepoline Conspiracy in 1310
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Thanks, I did make those points in the assignment actually. I'm at least glad to hear I was on the right track xD
Also, a general question; what text book are you guys using? Did you have any other reccomended study guides or texts? I'm trying to get a wide range of sources so that I can examine different view points etc.
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Thanks, I did make those points in the assignment actually. I'm at least glad to hear I was on the right track xD
Also, a general question; what text book are you guys using? Did you have any other reccomended study guides or texts? I'm trying to get a wide range of sources so that I can examine different view points etc.
We use Robert Hole's Renaissance Italy as our main overview book.
My teacher photocopies a lot of extra reading for different point of views. I've never been a believer in buying extra study guides, but my school library has a ton of extra books on the Renaissance in Italy which has so far proved helpful. Currently I'm reading Christopher Hibbert's The Rise and Fall of the house of Medici which is actually really readable and informative. (Incidentally, Hibbert is also a historian of the French Revolution for all the Revs kids interested).
I also bought Patricia Brown's Art and Life in Renaissance Venice, which was on the school booklist, but we haven't looked at that yet.
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That's great, actually. We're using Robert Hole's text as well, and I bought The Rise and Fall of the House of Medici the other day on a whim, so I'm glad to hear it's worthwhile. We get a whole heap of hand outs as well, and our library is pretty good, but I'm always keeping an eye out for more options, so let me know if you find any really helpful ones, and how Art and Life In Renaissance Venice goes for you, if you don't mind :)
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That's great, actually. We're using Robert Hole's text as well, and I bought The Rise and Fall of the House of Medici the other day on a whim, so I'm glad to hear it's worthwhile. We get a whole heap of hand outs as well, and our library is pretty good, but I'm always keeping an eye out for more options, so let me know if you find any really helpful ones, and how Art and Life In Renaissance Venice goes for you, if you don't mind :)
Oh wow, that's awesome - we're reading similar books! :)
I'll let you know about Art & Life when we start it in class. We won't start it for a while, though.
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I'm just wondering if Renaissance Italy is a more difficult subject than Revolutions? I always assumed Revolutions was harder but I noticed Renaissance Italy gets marked up a lot more. Or is that just because the ordinary school is less likely to offer it?
My school is pretty average, and it offers Revolutions and not Renaissance Italy.
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I'm just wondering if Renaissance Italy is a more difficult subject than Revolutions? I always assumed Revolutions was harder but I noticed Renaissance Italy gets marked up a lot more. Or is that just because the ordinary school is less likely to offer it?
My school is pretty average, and it offers Revolutions and not Renaissance Italy.
Renaissance Italy is considered to be the most difficult of the histories (hence it being marked up most). However, difficutly depends mostly upon the person. Obviously some people would find Renaissance easier than Revolutions - maybe they like it better, or find the concepts easier to grasp than those of Revolutions. I don't know if that helped, but I'm not sure that there is a 100% correct answer to that question sorry.
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On a side note, I find it amusing that all three of us are interested in Arts/Law at Monash xD
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I had Arts/Law on my preference list as well! (don't ask where)
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Thanks for your help! Yeah Law/Arts does seem to be a pretty popular course :P
Much more versatile than a single Law degree... or even a single Art degree. I'm not putting all of my cards on getting in, but if I do my absolute best, that's all I can ask for.
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Whoo Arts/Law! :)
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Wow Menang! 46 in Revolutions! Mind you, I expect nothing less from a Mac Robertson's girl :P
From your picture and your quote, can I assume you did the French and Russian Revolutions? I'm doing those by the way :)
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Wow Menang! 46 in Revolutions! Mind you, I expect nothing less from a Mac Robertson's girl :P
From your picture and your quote, can I assume you did the French and Russian Revolutions? I'm doing those by the way :)
Haha, thanks. :) I loved Revs last year, and would absolutely do it again if I could. :P
Yeah, I did France and Russia! It's a great combination of countries to do. May I know which one you're doing for each semester (and do you have an idea of which ones you'd like to do for each section of the exam)?
France is a great deal more difficult than Russia, imo. (Generally the French and Chinese revolutions are considered to be the more complex ones compared to the Russian and American).
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I'm doing the French Revolution in Semester One and the Russian Revolution in Semester Two. I couldn't imagine doing the French Revolution in Semester Two, considering you don't have much more than a term to cover it. I don't know much about the Russian Revolution as of yet, but I absolutely adore the French Revolution :D There is an astounding amount of information that we need to cover to really grasp an understanding!
I'm not sure what I'll be doing for the exam yet. I suppose it will be whatever I'm more comfortable writing on :P
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I'm doing the French Revolution in Semester One and the Russian Revolution in Semester Two. I couldn't imagine doing the French Revolution in Semester Two, considering you don't have much more than a term to cover it. I don't know much about the Russian Revolution as of yet, but I absolutely adore the French Revolution :D There is an astounding amount of information that we need to cover to really grasp an understanding!
I'm not sure what I'll be doing for the exam yet. I suppose it will be whatever I'm more comfortable writing on :P
Yup, you're absolutely right - I did France in Semester One, too. France's AoS1 is relatively short, where as France's AoS2 is ridiculously long, twisty and complex. Russia's the opposite - AoS1 is really long where as AoS2 is probably the shortest of them all - which fits quite well with the length of the terms.
Personally, I'd recommend Russia for the last section of the exam (the section with the extended essay response). Russia's AoS2 is short and straightforward enough that organising a big essay for it will be much, much simpler than organising a big essay for France AoS2.`
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Haha righty-o! Thank you very much for your advice :)
I did think AoS1 for the French Revolution was quite straightforward! I have accelerating ahead of the class, but I haven't reached AoS2 yet. At least I'll be prepared to get overwhelmed though =P
I couldn't imagine AoS2 for the Russian Revolution to be incredibly complex; it only covers a couple of years after all!
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Well maybe we'll all see each other at Monash next year in Arts/Law. Although a 98ish ATAR score is looking a little hard to acheive at the moment (I'd only need a 94 with SEAS, but that's still a lot to ask).
Menang; My teacher actually mentioned your school today. Said she was meeting your teacher, who is also an exam writer/marker, correct? God I'd kill for that opportunity!
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My school is classed as "underrepresented", but I'm not too sure what ATAR I require to do Law/Arts. Hopefully is significantly less than 98, 'cause I'm definitely going to struggle to get that! :O
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Well maybe we'll all see each other at Monash next year in Arts/Law. Although a 98ish ATAR score is looking a little hard to acheive at the moment (I'd only need a 94 with SEAS, but that's still a lot to ask).
Menang; My teacher actually mentioned your school today. Said she was meeting your teacher, who is also an exam
writer/marker, correct? God I'd kill for that opportunity!
My Rens teacher? Wow, I never knew he was a marker/exam writer! 0_0 I shall attempt to find out. His name is Mr John Stewart, just in case anyone is interested.
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Well maybe we'll all see each other at Monash next year in Arts/Law. Although a 98ish ATAR score is looking a little hard to acheive at the moment (I'd only need a 94 with SEAS, but that's still a lot to ask).
Menang; My teacher actually mentioned your school today. Said she was meeting your teacher, who is also an exam
writer/marker, correct? God I'd kill for that opportunity!
My Rens teacher? Wow, I never knew he was a marker/exam writer! 0_0 I shall attempt to find out. His name is Mr John Stewart, just in case anyone is interested.
Hmm, well I can't remember the exact name, but I'm pretty sure it was a female - any female Ren teachers there? She was telling me that she's got to go down to Melbourne for a Ren teacher's convention or something where exam writes and markers all give an insight into what to expect etc. Apparently we're one of two non-Melbourne non-Private highschools in the state to do Renaissance History, so we seem to be the oddballs :)
Jarryd; It's pretty easy to find out. Your teachers should know, if not I'm sure the VCAT site should tell you. I'm pretty sure you get an extra two points for an underrepresented school, and an extra two points for a rural school. I'd say most you could hope for would be about 4 points lower, for a first round offer. Might make all the difference though :) And it might change from course to course and uni to uni, so I wouldn't take it as a steadfast rule or anything.
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Well maybe we'll all see each other at Monash next year in Arts/Law. Although a 98ish ATAR score is looking a little hard to acheive at the moment (I'd only need a 94 with SEAS, but that's still a lot to ask).
Menang; My teacher actually mentioned your school today. Said she was meeting your teacher, who is also an exam
writer/marker, correct? God I'd kill for that opportunity!
My Rens teacher? Wow, I never knew he was a marker/exam writer! 0_0 I shall attempt to find out. His name is Mr John Stewart, just in case anyone is interested.
Hmm, well I can't remember the exact name, but I'm pretty sure it was a female - any female Ren teachers there? She was telling me that she's got to go down to Melbourne for a Ren teacher's convention or something where exam writes and markers all give an insight into what to expect etc. Apparently we're one of two non-Melbourne non-Private highschools in the state to do Renaissance History, so we seem to be the oddballs :)
Jarryd; It's pretty easy to find out. Your teachers should know, if not I'm sure the VCAT site should tell you. I'm pretty sure you get an extra two points for an underrepresented school, and an extra two points for a rural school. I'd say most you could hope for would be about 4 points lower, for a first round offer. Might make all the difference though :) And it might change from course to course and uni to uni, so I wouldn't take it as a steadfast rule or anything.
Really? As far as I know, Mr Stewart is the only Rens teacher - this year and last year.
There is another history teacher - Mrs (Marina) McAlpine who teaches Revolutions, but I don't think she teaches Rens, or at least she didn't last year and she doesn't this year... ?
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Well maybe we'll all see each other at Monash next year in Arts/Law. Although a 98ish ATAR score is looking a little hard to acheive at the moment (I'd only need a 94 with SEAS, but that's still a lot to ask).
Menang; My teacher actually mentioned your school today. Said she was meeting your teacher, who is also an exam
writer/marker, correct? God I'd kill for that opportunity!
My Rens teacher? Wow, I never knew he was a marker/exam writer! 0_0 I shall attempt to find out. His name is Mr John Stewart, just in case anyone is interested.
Hmm, well I can't remember the exact name, but I'm pretty sure it was a female - any female Ren teachers there? She was telling me that she's got to go down to Melbourne for a Ren teacher's convention or something where exam writes and markers all give an insight into what to expect etc. Apparently we're one of two non-Melbourne non-Private highschools in the state to do Renaissance History, so we seem to be the oddballs :)
Jarryd; It's pretty easy to find out. Your teachers should know, if not I'm sure the VCAT site should tell you. I'm pretty sure you get an extra two points for an underrepresented school, and an extra two points for a rural school. I'd say most you could hope for would be about 4 points lower, for a first round offer. Might make all the difference though :) And it might change from course to course and uni to uni, so I wouldn't take it as a steadfast rule or anything.
Really? As far as I know, Mr Stewart is the only Rens teacher - this year and last year.
There is another history teacher - Mrs (Marina) McAlpine who teaches Revolutions, but I don't think she teaches Rens, or at least she didn't last year and she doesn't this year... ?
Yes, mr Stewart has been the Renaissance teacher at macrob for at least 20 years. He even has notes dated back in the 90s
He also wrote atlases and a geography textbook.
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Yeah, the majority of Renaissance classes are at the old private schools. If you check the list of top scores, pretty much all of them come from rather well known schools. It's just because the resources are expensive and the knowledge is fairly specialised, so it's hard to find a decent teacher. My teacher had a ridiculous amount of resources, mostly because his father was a Renaissance historian so it's unfortunately a privilege thing
Jarryd; It's pretty easy to find out. Your teachers should know, if not I'm sure the VCAT site should tell you. I'm pretty sure you get an extra two points for an underrepresented school, and an extra two points for a rural school. I'd say most you could hope for would be about 4 points lower, for a first round offer. Might make all the difference though Smiley And it might change from course to course and uni to uni, so I wouldn't take it as a steadfast rule or anything.
You might want to check this, as far as I know you don't get flat bonus points.
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Yeah, the majority of Renaissance classes are at the old private schools. If you check the list of top scores, pretty much all of them come from rather well known schools. It's just because the resources are expensive and the knowledge is fairly specialised, so it's hard to find a decent teacher. My teacher had a ridiculous amount of resources, mostly because his father was a Renaissance historian so it's unfortunately a privilege thing
Jarryd; It's pretty easy to find out. Your teachers should know, if not I'm sure the VCAT site should tell you. I'm pretty sure you get an extra two points for an underrepresented school, and an extra two points for a rural school. I'd say most you could hope for would be about 4 points lower, for a first round offer. Might make all the difference though Smiley And it might change from course to course and uni to uni, so I wouldn't take it as a steadfast rule or anything.
You might want to check this, as far as I know you don't get flat bonus points.
Yeah, they've only been doing Renaissance at my school for 4 or 5 years. Our resources are getting there, and the school is on a regional uni campus so we can access other stuff, but it's not nearly as advanced as private schools. We also don't have select entry, so you kind of have no choice as to who you're stuck in a class with :(