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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: Matt The Rat on June 05, 2008, 01:23:22 pm
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This morning I fractured my writing arm's elbow during training. With exams coming up, I was wondering what the go is?
I know that I can apply for a scribe if I'm unable to write but is special consideration also given? For example, it'd take a hell of a longer time telling someone, who doesn't know Chemistry, how to draw out compounds etc.
Thanks in advance for any info
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You'd be given extra time so that you can communicate with said scribe. People get extra time for all sorts of things, eg needing to stand up and exercise for 5 mins/hour or whatever.
In any case, this is best discussed with your school asap, rather than us. They're used to dealing with these things. Ie ring them now if you're not there atm.
Anyway, hope you get better soon =)
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As well as a scribe, you could also arrange to use a computer if you are able to type. Talk to your VCE coordinator, you will need to arrange a doctor's letter and a personal statement to be sent off to the VCAA ASAP.
Good luck, hope your arm recovers swiftly! :)
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Thanks caramel and jess!
I'm going into school tomorrow morning so I'll organise everything then. Made sure that I got the necessary paperwork at the hospital today so should be alright.
Thanks again
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Reviving dead thread but its acceptable because it saves making a new thread.
Wanted to know if I am eligible for special consideration. From the lecture we got today on applications, apparently special consideration can be for sorta longer term things that have affected your ability to perform in Year 11 and 12 in VCE. I noticed on the lecture that it said two things that may or may not apply to me.
1) Long term illness of a family member
2) Death of a close family member/friend etc
I'll just give you my situation:
Last year (2007), August 14th my grandfather passed away, I don't know how much it affected me but it was kinda hard for a while.
But the one that sorta might be more appropriate was that this year my grandma moved in with us. What ended up happening was that I'd usually come home and I'd be the only one home with her, and I kinda had to look after her for a few hours until everyone got home, usually cooking dinner every 2nd night or so, collecting clothes, getting medicines and stuff for her. Again, I sorta worked around this and my mid-year mark was very good for accounting so I don't know how much it affected me, Um but yeh this was for about 3 months leading up to midyears, then she passed away just after mid-years and so I havent been as hard on myself the last month or so as I was before (even though I as helping out and stuff with my grandma)
um so yeh i dont know what to say, just want to know if i fit under any category. I kinda feel bad for even bringing it up, I dont want to be benefiting from a tragic event but I guess there are these things in place for a reason, but then again Im not sure how affected I was if I did well on my mid-year ( but my other subjects may have suffered as a result on focusin on my mid year ... I dont know)
What sorta documentation do youu need for these sorta things?
Meh any info would be appreciated. kthanx
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Also, what does special consideration mean,. What effects does it have for me
I also found this on the special consideration page.
" The key to providing quality information is to ensure that you concentrate on the impact of your disadvantage and that supporting documentation substantiates this impact. "
Does this mean that you basically have to perform badly to be considered? I can't say that I have been doing badly this year, but I think I could have done better on some SAC's and stuff. Studying for SAC's at hospital is a really inefficient way of studying. Like... does me gettin A+ on a mid-year exam in effect make me too high performing to be considered to have been affected?
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I'm pretty sure to apply for it you need to have been seeing a councellor (could just be a school one or one you've seen outside of school). I think the councellor needs to write a report that goes in with your application.
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Hey costargh,
First of all I'm sorry about your loss.
From my understanding Special Consideration does not affect your VCE results but I think some uni's take it into consideration when your applying.
The following unis use it:
Australian Catholic University
Deakin University
La Trobe University
Monash University
RMIT University
The University of Melbourne
Basically, all you have to do is write up a 'impact statement' saying how this situation has affected you and you also have to select 'special consideration' on your vtac enrolment. I'm not sure how accurate my advice is as I literally read it on the VTAC site now. But you can check it out yourself here:
http://www.vtac.edu.au/seas/special-consideration.html#about
and here........
http://www.vtac.edu.au/seas/special-consideration.html
EDIT: You also have to have a 'statement of support' which can be written by any of your teachers. Its basically supporting what you said in your 'impact statement'. And I'm preety sure your teachers would be more than happy to help!!
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Thanks. I did a bit of reading myself. I don't know how I can show that I have been impacted. Impacted on my results... it's not like I can say that I've got shit marks. That would be lieing...
I dont know what 2 do. I might talk to the careers person, shes better then the VCE co-ord. She knows her shit lol
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yeah, even though you've recieved good marks I think it can still affect you. Yes, it hasn't lowered your marks because clearly you havn't stopped studying b/c of these personal circumstances, but it still would of made a difference emotionally which would affect your Yr 12 study life. If your grandparents both pass away in the space of less than a year than that would be hard to take. The best thing to do is speak to your VCE co-ord and get her/him to help you write your impact statement to increase your chances of being 'granted' special consid, seeing as though you feel it really has affected you. So yeah, go for it!! :)
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Does this mean that you basically have to perform badly to be considered? I can't say that I have been doing badly this year, but I think I could have done better on some SAC's and stuff. Studying for SAC's at hospital is a really inefficient way of studying. Like... does me gettin A+ on a mid-year exam in effect make me too high performing to be considered to have been affected?
I think it just means that they want you to describe how exactly the event disadvantaged you. So basically, the adverse effects that the event had on your life/study.
Also, just apply. It doesn't hurt. The worst that can happen is that they won't accept the application.
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I guess the way I see it, it has made my VCE years, especially this one A LOT harder than it could have been. Not that I wanted a bludge, but it was pretty stressful and stuff at one point. It even got to a stage where I couldn't do homework because my grandma didn't want to be alone while I went and did my hw, so Id'd have to bring my stuff downstairs to be with her but then she would want me to do things for her to help her and stuff so I never really got work done until parents came home to take over.
I think I'll just talk to someone of authority at school.
If anyone has done this process before, please let me know what its like etc.
Thanks
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Does this mean that you basically have to perform badly to be considered? I can't say that I have been doing badly this year, but I think I could have done better on some SAC's and stuff. Studying for SAC's at hospital is a really inefficient way of studying. Like... does me gettin A+ on a mid-year exam in effect make me too high performing to be considered to have been affected?
I think it just means that they want you to describe how exactly the event disadvantaged you. So basically, the adverse effects that the event had on your life/study.
Also, just apply. It doesn't hurt. The worst that can happen is that they won't accept the application.
Yeh thanks. I just think 'impact' is open to interpretation. My marks are/were still good but they might have been even better, or my study/life balance would have been better otherwise and would have had a less stressful year 12 etc
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btw costargh you count yourslef lucky that you have a proper VCE-Coordinator. Our school's VCE-Coord and careers councillor is the same person, talk about 2 in 1, but he can't do his job. He admits it himself!! and to top it of i think he's a pedo...so I don't ever want to go to him. If only I can get special consid for that :-\
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Unlucky you!
One other question, can I apply for scholarships like "Monash University Scholarships for Excellence and Equity"
under the "Difficult family circumstances" category
here are the examples that might be applicable that they have on the site:
Some examples of long-term difficult family circumstances are:
* carer responsibilities (ill children, parent, siblings etc.) <----- I wasn't a 'carer'... I just helped
* death of parent/guardian/relative/close friend/classmate/teacher
* excessive family responsibilities <----- although I wouldn't call them excessive
I don't know.. I think Ill apply anywya
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looking at this, costargh, sorry about your loss. You should consider what category to apply for, as you can only apply for once for a particular incident.
1) for long term effects, such as the loss of your grandparents, should be listed in SEAS. these require an impact statement as well as documents where required. Talk to your careers advisor about these. SEAS application may allow you to be admitted in a course where you do not have high enough ENTER or do not meet the minimum score on prerequisites. Accounting for last year's loss should definitely be noted in SEAS as this can be used to appeal for your MM score.
2) for disadvantages in year 11/12, such as looking after your grandmother (excessive responsibilities), applies to anything that is not long-term. These help you in a similar manner.
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Unlucky you!
One other question, can I apply for scholarships like "Monash University Scholarships for Excellence and Equity"
under the "Difficult family circumstances" category
here are the examples that might be applicable that they have on the site:
Some examples of long-term difficult family circumstances are:
* carer responsibilities (ill children, parent, siblings etc.) <----- I wasn't a 'carer'... I just helped
* death of parent/guardian/relative/close friend/classmate/teacher
* excessive family responsibilities <----- although I wouldn't call them excessive
I don't know.. I think Ill apply anywya
yes. if you apply for SEAS you will automatically be considered for all scholarships offered by Monash.
not sure about special considerations tho
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So theres a difference between SEAS and special consideration?
"SEAS application may allow you to be admitted in a course where you do not have high enough ENTER or do not meet the minimum score on prerequisites."
Do you have any evidence to support that?
I just thought it was for ENTER only.
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yes. if you apply for SEAS you will automatically be considered for all scholarships offered by Monash.
not sure about special considerations tho
Really? I thought you had to apply for scholarships individually through VTAC... geez shows how much I know!
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So theres a difference between SEAS and special consideration?
"SEAS application may allow you to be admitted in a course where you do not have high enough ENTER or do not meet the minimum score on prerequisites."
Do you have any evidence to support that?
I just thought it was for ENTER only.
I believe that is the case, but I'm not exactly sure... I haven't seen any materials that say so either ways...
maybe that varies depend on individual universities' policies. you might want to contact UoM or Monash directly to see their policies
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Does this mean that you basically have to perform badly to be considered? I can't say that I have been doing badly this year, but I think I could have done better on some SAC's and stuff. Studying for SAC's at hospital is a really inefficient way of studying. Like... does me gettin A+ on a mid-year exam in effect make me too high performing to be considered to have been affected?
I think it just means that they want you to describe how exactly the event disadvantaged you. So basically, the adverse effects that the event had on your life/study.
Also, just apply. It doesn't hurt. The worst that can happen is that they won't accept the application.
Yeh thanks. I just think 'impact' is open to interpretation. My marks are/were still good but they might have been even better, or my study/life balance would have been better otherwise and would have had a less stressful year 12 etc
I'm applying for a few catrgories and the evidence I have is letter from primary school principal and high school, I am also getting co ordinators and social worker from centrelink that hadle my case.
You can show other things how it affected your results, like I have, by getting attendance records amd in your persoanl impact statement just say how you could not study or perform as well as you would have liked to.
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So theres a difference between SEAS and special consideration?
"SEAS application may allow you to be admitted in a course where you do not have high enough ENTER or do not meet the minimum score on prerequisites."
Do you have any evidence to support that?
I just thought it was for ENTER only.
I believe that is the case, but I'm not exactly sure... I haven't seen any materials that say so either ways...
maybe that varies depend on individual universities' policies. you might want to contact UoM or Monash directly to see their policies
Hmm kk thanks.
I'm applying for a few catrgories and the evidence I have is letter from primary school principal and high school, I am also getting co ordinators and social worker from centrelink that hadle my case.
You can show other things how it affected your results, like I have, by getting attendance records amd in your persoanl impact statement just say how you could not study or perform as well as you would have liked to.
Thanks. Will keep those things in mind
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So theres a difference between SEAS and special consideration?
"SEAS application may allow you to be admitted in a course where you do not have high enough ENTER or do not meet the minimum score on prerequisites."
Do you have any evidence to support that?
I just thought it was for ENTER only.
I believe that is the case, but I'm not exactly sure... I haven't seen any materials that say so either ways...
maybe that varies depend on individual universities' policies. you might want to contact UoM or Monash directly to see their policies
Special consideration just applies to year 12 I think. However, SEAS has to be a lifetime thing, such as a dependent family member, abusive living environment etc that has not only affected high school but also primary school in some cases.
You need evidence to supprt all the categories that you apply for and have a personal impact statement (of 2,500 words max).
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very sorry to hear about what has happended bro.
same story happened with my sister last year grandma died bad family problems..etc
she filled out all these special consideration forms.
It helped.. got her into melbourne medicine with a 97.5 or something. she reckons you need a 99 to get in normally. I can find out more info if you need.
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very sorry to hear about what has happended bro.
same story happened with my sister last year grandma died bad family problems..etc
she filled out all these special consideration forms.
It helped.. got her into melbourne medicine with a 97.5 or something. she reckons you need a 99 to get in normally. I can find out more info if you need.
Firstly, sorry about your loss.
Yeh that would be great if you could find out some info on the process or whatever... anything she knwos about it would be appreicated.
Mao: I spoke to careers lady. She was helpful, gave me a booklet thingo to read. And Im gonna see her again later this week cause I had to rush off to do a SAC. From what I have read special consideration relates to year 11/12, while SEAS applies to longer term things (ie. more than year 11 and 12). I only had things happen in year 11 and 12 so I think I will be applying for special consideration. And from what I have read, you must have met the requirements in a course to gain access even with special consideration... but I have decided Im gonna put some silly courses at the top and see if they let me in... I cbf explaining now. maybe another day lol
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Can I apply for both special consideration and SEAS?
I cant find anything on VCAT that says I cant?
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Can I apply for both special consideration and SEAS?
I cant find anything on VCAT that says I cant?
lol; VCAT. Getting confused with Legal Studies?
I always thought Special Consideration was a part of SEAS. I know you can apply for both Special Consideration and Access and Equity, if that helps. Those are the two sub-categories of SEAS to my knowledge (which is limited on this matter)
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Can I apply for both special consideration and SEAS?
I cant find anything on VCAT that says I cant?
lol; VCAT. Getting confused with Legal Studies?
I always thought Special Consideration was a part of SEAS. I know you can apply for both Special Consideration and Access and Equity, if that helps. Those are the two sub-categories of SEAS to my knowledge (which is limited on this matter)
ahaha yeh I always say VCAT (victorian civil and administrative tribunal) instead of VTAC because of legal studies.
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Pretty irritated.
Went to get my statement of support filled in and signed yesterday. Head of Commerce said she'd speak to someone about it (about procedures and policies etc). Came back to me today...
Quoted from Head of Commerce, passing on a message from the Deputy Principal of Studies
Basically it's not worth it. Your grades this year haven't been bad enough and therefore we can't fill in your statement of support.
This is in direct contrast to the Careers Counselors view that regardless of my marks I should apply for special consideration because although my marks have been good, they could have been better.
So sick of my school. They are a hindrance on my education and opportunities. Special consid probably wouldn't have done anything for me anyway but the schools attitude agitates me.