ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Faculties => Law => Topic started by: burbs on January 09, 2011, 01:28:28 am
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Currently I am considering Comm/Law or Arts/Law at ANU, Monash or Melbourne.
My question is pretty broad:
What should I be aware of before I set myself on law this year? Not so much how hard it is at uni, more it usefulness in the job market, how to best maximise my chances of a job (do double degrees help more, if so which ones, what about languages...).
How long before lawyers make a decent living? Where is the money at? I'm not doing it for the money, but I would like to know.
Cheers, oh and any other advice like which uni is best etc.
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From what I've heard: it's a crowded/competitive job market. If you're the best you'll get noticed but otherwise it's hard work after graduation to work your way up. No idea when the money starts.
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I'm also interested to know about this - aiming to get into exactly the same courses as Burberry! ;D
Would love to do the JD at Melbourne Uni, but the cost of even the CSP place is just way out of reach.
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Would love to do the JD at Melbourne Uni, but the cost of even the CSP place is just way out of reach.
Really? It's not that outrageous, especially when you consider the government pays it.
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Hang on.. :-\ How much of the $100,000 JD course does the Govt pay? (I thought students had to pay all of this?)
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Where did you get 100k from? Law subjects are ~1k each for a CSP student and it's a 3 year degree so I thought it was closer to 30k?
The government will pay all of that but you have to pay them back eventually
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Oops, what I meant was a full-fee placement - an ATAR of 99.00+ (and specific requirements from my performance in an Arts course) would give a full-fee placement. A CSP place would need a 99.90+.. but I assume you can still apply for a CSP once the undergrad is complete?
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You absolutely do not need to get 99.9+ to get a CSP place in a graduate degree
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I've been looking through the profiles of some lawyers in the big firms, and the majority of them have BA/LLB or BComm/LLB qualifications - I haven't come across any solicitors with postgrad qualifications like a JD or Masters yet.
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I'm also gonna do law at uni. The only problem is that I'm gonna take a gap year and that would mean that melbourne uni JD would take me till i'm about 25 or 26 to complete... This seems like a long time :( So I reckon I'll end up settling for Monash Arts/Law or perhaps Deakin Arts/Law depending on my atar so that i'm not there for so long.
I've been looking through the profiles of some lawyers in the big firms, and the majority of them have BA/LLB or BComm/LLB qualifications - I haven't come across any solicitors with postgrad qualifications like a JD or Masters yet.
Isn't it a relatively new model?
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How old were the lawyers in the profiles?
he only problem is that I'm gonna take a gap year and that would mean that melbourne uni JD would take me till i'm about 25 or 26 to complete... This seems like a long time
It's really not. 6 years for ugrad + JD compared to 5 years at monash is only one year either way.
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Here are a few:
http://www.mauriceblackburn.com.au/our-people/professional/brooke-dellavedova.aspx
http://www.mauriceblackburn.com.au/our-people/professional/damian-lynch.aspx
http://www.mauriceblackburn.com.au/our-people/professional/irina-lubomirska.aspx
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Currently I am considering Comm/Law or Arts/Law at ANU, Monash or Melbourne.
My question is pretty broad:
What should I be aware of before I set myself on law this year? Not so much how hard it is at uni, more it usefulness in the job market, how to best maximise my chances of a job (do double degrees help more, if so which ones, what about languages...).
How long before lawyers make a decent living? Where is the money at? I'm not doing it for the money, but I would like to know.
Cheers, oh and any other advice like which uni is best etc.
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From what I've heard from teachers, you won't be able to survive in law if you're not passionate about it.. and I mean really passionate. I think in some cases there are even 12-hour working days involved - the workload would be tough I'd imagine, but it'd also be a really rewarding job. I've never given Medicine or Dentistry a thought - apart from the fact that I despise maths/sciences, I'd much prefer sitting in an office all day, instead of doing hands-on work like doctors and dentists.
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In answer to Azure's question, if you get 99+ you can still apply for a cap place, if you don't get the CEO place you can still fall back on the full fee place.
Also remember that there is fee help which allows you to pay the course fees back once you start working, this still applies for full fee places....
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In answer to Azure's question, if you get 99+ you can still apply for a cap place, if you don't get the CEO place you can still fall back on the full fee place.
Lol "CEO" place :D Thanks
Yeah, I have a long time to think about whether to do JD or not. Just consider the permutations of:
- BComm (Economics major) with DipMSc (Pure Maths)
- BSc (Computer Science major) @ UoM
- Master of Actuarial Studies @ Macquarie/ANU
- JD @ UoM
where at least one of BCom and BSc must precede a graduate degree and any of them (apart from BCom which I will start with) can be included/excluded. :P I say to myself "Have fun choosing". :) See - combinatorics can play an important role in real life situations!
Aren't you in my year? 2011 Year 11? You're so far ahead (planning-wise) :o
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Expensive if your SLE runs out
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Yeah. It's 7 EFTSL or whatever they call them (or 7 standard full time years).
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Currently I am considering Comm/Law or Arts/Law at ANU, Monash or Melbourne.
My question is pretty broad:
What should I be aware of before I set myself on law this year? Not so much how hard it is at uni, more it usefulness in the job market, how to best maximise my chances of a job (do double degrees help more, if so which ones, what about languages...).
How long before lawyers make a decent living? Where is the money at? I'm not doing it for the money, but I would like to know.
Cheers, oh and any other advice like which uni is best etc.
Usefulness: not so much if you want to be a lawyer. The market is WAY saturated with law school graduates. You'll need a pretty awesome average, extra-curriculars and work experience to get a competitive advantage. Also with popular law graduate preferred industries like diplomacy/international relations. Obviously languages will help there, no idea about law firms though.
Money is at being a barrister, or judge. Or corporate lawyer - big companies = big $$$.
Monash is the best in Victoria, ANU I think is one of the best in Australia by reputation (some rankings don't agree but I don't know).
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From what I've heard from teachers, you won't be able to survive in law if you're not passionate about it.. and I mean really passionate. I think in some cases there are even 12-hour working days involved - the workload would be tough I'd imagine, but it'd also be a really rewarding job.
Plenty of lawyers hate their jobs, you can still do good work while disliking it. Disagree re: rewarding but I don't really have the experience to back it up
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What do you think about Melb Uni?
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What do you think about Melb Uni?
Not to go off topic or anything, but if you want an indication, I know someone who finished VCE in 2010 - she got an ATAR score of 99.4. UoM offered her a guaranteed place for JD Law, though she has to pay $50,000 for the PG course. UoM told her that she can sit the LSAT and if she does well, doesn't have to pay anything and even if she doesn't do that well, she's still guaranteed of a place for JD.
This probably doesn't answer anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning in the context of things and to anyone interested in doing JD Law at UoM.
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I assume that's just her getting a CSP place. I find it really odd that they'd be offering scholarships 3 years in advance to students who haven't committed to it.