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Archived Discussion => 2008 => Mid-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Psychology => Topic started by: Nick on June 12, 2008, 09:03:19 am
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How did everyone go?
How did it compare to last year? Post your thoughts, questions and comments on the exam here.
If anyone has a copy of the exam, feel free to scan it on here when you get the chance :)
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In my opinion was not as hard as I thought, however there were many questions which would of caught many people offguard.
such as sergio & the camouflaged door.
What did you people think? and how did you fair?
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i agree i didn't think it was as hard as i expected, actually it reminded me a lot of last years paper in terms of difficulty.
i think (hope) i did alright considering the level of study i did.
what did people think about the speech one where the kids parasympathetic ns was activated. i found the wording a little confusing and had to read over it a few times.
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nah he
i agree i didn't think it was as hard as i expected, actually it reminded me a lot of last years paper in terms of difficulty.
i think (hope) i did alright considering the level of study i did.
what did people think about the speech one where the kids parasympathetic ns was activated. i found the wording a little confusing and had to read over it a few times.
oh that one, he's sympathetic was activated, and 5 minutes INTO the speech what would still be active? OF COURSE SYMPATHETIC. para is activated AFTER the threat/whatever is dealt with dear.
but it could be both since, the boy calmed down..
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The hormones secreted by the sympathetic nervous system would still be lingering despite the boy calming down though.
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I know that i lost 1 mark on question 11 multiple choice, but pretty confident about the rest.
How did everyone find it and what did you find the hardest?
NO ILLUSIONS ON THE EXAM!!!!
Mod: Merged with current topic.
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I think i did reasonably ok. not as good as i SHOULD have done.
I did get confused with a few questions.
The one that really got me off guard was about Nick and the Polgyraph for GSR. Do you think it was required to mention the amplitidue og the polygraph when he was lying? Damn im pissed i messed up on that!
nah hei agree i didn't think it was as hard as i expected, actually it reminded me a lot of last years paper in terms of difficulty.
i think (hope) i did alright considering the level of study i did.
what did people think about the speech one where the kids parasympathetic ns was activated. i found the wording a little confusing and had to read over it a few times.
oh that one, he's sympathetic was activated, and 5 minutes INTO the speech what would still be active? OF COURSE SYMPATHETIC. para is activated AFTER the threat/whatever is dealt with dear.
but it could be both since, the boy calmed down..
But it stated that after he started talking he usually calmed down. If the child acknowleges that he can cope with the stress, then it ISNT a threat, so i think it would be parasympathetic, because he acknowleged that he was fine during the speech, only before he became nervous.
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Yeah it really depends on how the question was worded.
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I hate life.
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Ha ha. I feel that same way atm
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But it stated that after he started talking he usually calmed down. If the child acknowleges that he can cope with the stress, then it ISNT a threat, so i think it would be parasympathetic, because he acknowleged that he was fine during the speech, only before he became nervous.
I'm with you on this one.
Overall, I found it pretty good except for a few yucky questions.
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NO ILLUSIONS ON THE EXAM!!!!
Not at all? Not even in the multiple choice? How nice of VCAA lol
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that exam should be thrown in the fire and laughed at!
no ames room saq, no muller-lyer, one question on gas and one on ethics
It wasn't even relevant!...hoping for a 89-90 now....
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There was a few MCs on Ames Room. Nothing on Muller-Lyer however.
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that exam should be thrown in the fire and laughed at!
no ames room saq, no muller-lyer, one question on gas and one on ethics
It wasn't even relevant!...hoping for a 89-90 now....
It's not really surprising that the illusions didn't appear. They were given a good run last year in both SA and MC. I'm sure there must have been at least one Q in MC?
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Yeah it really depends on how the question was worded.
The question said that he clms down when he begins to speak and then it said 5 minutes after the speech started what is activated. It was the parasympathetic NS.
I think i got 85+ I hope..
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Gah, I had sleep-onset & sleep-maintenance insomnia last night.
Stupid stressors.
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No Muller Lyer :D Yay. i hate explaining how it works.
I cant even remember if there were any in the multiple choice.
What did everyone think about that Perceptual Set Question? I used Past Experience.
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Yeah it's parasympathetic for sure..
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The hormones secreted by the sympathetic nervous system would still be lingering despite the boy calming down though.
yer and the follow up question gave it away...somethng like 'what changes in the body might have ocured or whatever'...
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I can't wait for someone to post the exam lol
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No Muller Lyer :D Yay. i hate explaining how it works.
I cant even remember if there were any in the multiple choice.
What did everyone think about that Perceptual Set Question? I used Past Experience.
There were 3 on the Ames ROom i think (multiple choice)
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goddamn it. I wrote sympathetic...
I wrote context and said; that the aimbiguous figure could of had a context of at the beach.
if this was the case, then emma-lee or whatever her name, would be expecting to see a young woman rather than an old woman.
With Kevin if the context was at a bingo hall then, he would be expecting to see an old lady rather than a young woman.
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What did everyone think about that Perceptual Set Question? I used Past Experience.
That was the one with the young woman/old woman pic yeah?
I said past experiece.. the girl perceived the young woman because she was young therefore spent lots of time with young women.
I said the guy could have worked in a nursing home, meaning he spends lots of time with old women.
Overall not a bad exam. But we'll have to see how they mark it!
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What did people right for the slanting of the floor of the Ame's room in the MC? I chose the one with "the floor doesn't slant but the ceiling does".
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The floor of the Ames room is slanted, away from the peephole towards figure A. The answer was A
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I think i did reasonably ok. not as good as i SHOULD have done.
I did get confused with a few questions.
The one that really got me off guard was about Nick and the Polgyraph for GSR. Do you think it was required to mention the amplitidue og the polygraph when he was lying? Damn im pissed i messed up on that!
nah hei agree i didn't think it was as hard as i expected, actually it reminded me a lot of last years paper in terms of difficulty.
i think (hope) i did alright considering the level of study i did.
what did people think about the speech one where the kids parasympathetic ns was activated. i found the wording a little confusing and had to read over it a few times.
oh that one, he's sympathetic was activated, and 5 minutes INTO the speech what would still be active? OF COURSE SYMPATHETIC. para is activated AFTER the threat/whatever is dealt with dear.
but it could be both since, the boy calmed down..
But it stated that after he started talking he usually calmed down. If the child acknowleges that he can cope with the stress, then it ISNT a threat, so i think it would be parasympathetic, because he acknowleged that he was fine during the speech, only before he became nervous.
I think it was parasympathetic too.. the wording of that question was a bit difficult
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What did people right for the slanting of the floor of the Ame's room in the MC? I chose the one with "the floor doesn't slant but the ceiling does".
it does slant, it slants down from the peephole to position A
if you went to the melbourne musuem. you would of had a chance to experience an ames room typed room.
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What did people right for the slanting of the floor of the Ame's room in the MC? I chose the one with "the floor doesn't slant but the ceiling does".
It was option A I thought. only the floor slants
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The floor of the Ames room is slanted, away from the peephole towards figure A. The answer was A
Bugger, knew I got that one wrong.
BTW - wrote parasympathetic for the boy talking as well
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What did everyone think about the stage 4 sleep question?
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The two characteristics I wrote were:
Very difficult to wake someone up in that stage.
If woken up, the person will experience post-awakening lag called sleep inertia.
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Yeah I said Parasympathetic as well. And the associated changes could have been things such as return heart rate to normal, etc etc
And as for stage 4 sleep...
well obviously low freq high amp
and the 2 characteristics
deepest sleep, hard to wake up from!
and i said that it occurs towards the beginning of sleep, not at the end of it
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i said it slants down to figure b (on the left) because... shit, you were right. damn it! arghhhhhhhh
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Yeah I said Parasympathetic as well. And the associated changes could have been things such as return heart rate to normal, etc etc
And as for stage 4 sleep...
well obviously low freq high amp
and the 2 characteristics
deepest sleep, hard to wake up from!
and i said that it occurs towards the beginning of sleep, not at the end of it
Thanks mel. I had the same as you.
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meh i wrote, sleep walking and sleep talking can occur during this stage.
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You could also say that periods of stage 3/4 sleep reduce as the night goes on, leading to greater time spent in REM.
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phew i was stressing about the parasympathetic one...i said the RR rate would fall due to bronchi contracting in the lungs, and that HR would also fall
sleep - i said sleep phenomena can occur in that stage, and that it occurs less often as the night progresses
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i wrote
hard to wake up
and sleep phenomenon can occur, is that not right?
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What did everyone think about the stage 4 sleep question?
i put sleep phenomenon occurs and it's the deepest sleep, therefore being hardest to wake up from.
i'm thinking sleep phenomenon may have not been right. :-\
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Yeah that's fine. It would have been best to specify though- sleep talking, walking and night terrors.
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did anyone find it long?
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You could also say that periods of stage 3/4 sleep reduce as the night goes on, leading to greater time spent in REM.
Damn i wrote that then put a line through my answer and changed it to Delta waves being dominant and sleep pehnomena,
Do you think they would consider my crossed out answer?
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they don't always occur, but they can...so hopefully our answer was correct
what about the variables in the case study question? i said the results would be difficult to generalise to the wider population, but that was a guess and i'm not quite sure
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You could also say that periods of stage 3/4 sleep reduce as the night goes on, leading to greater time spent in REM.
Damn i wrote that then put a line through my answer and changed it to Delta waves being dominant and sleep pehnomena,
Do you think they would consider my crossed out answer?
I doubt it, but you've probably already provided enough to attain the marks anyway.
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What was the experiment design??? (last question) I said independent groups design!!!
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i wrote the confounding variables could cause an unwanted effect.
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Gosh from what I'm being told some of the MC were quite easy??
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What was the experiment design??? (last question) I said independent groups design!!!
Independent groups :D
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Most were
there were some dodgy one's though
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What was the experiment design??? (last question) I said independent groups design!!!
yeah i said that too, and that it prevents the placebo effect
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What was the experiment design??? (last question) I said independent groups design!!!
Independent groups :D
It said two experimental groups!!!!! So it confused me, but i said independent!!
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Gosh from what I'm being told some of the MC were quite easy??
I think it was VERY clear which answers were OBVIOUSLY wrong. Lets put it that way.
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
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Most were
there were some dodgy one's though
Question 14 had me stumped.
About which is the sympathetic NOT dominant over.
I had it down to Increase in Salivation and Relaxation of Lungs etc...
I put the salivation one in the end, when there was about 20 seconds left!
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
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Which nervous system has the subgroups
Sympathetic and Parasympathetic..
anyone?
*sarcasm*
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Most were
there were some dodgy one's though
Question 14 had me stumped.
About which is the sympathetic NOT dominant over.
I had it down to Increase in Salivation and Relaxation of Lungs etc...
I put the salivation one in the end, when there was about 20 seconds left!
I wrote relaxation of airways.
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
it was just one of the multiple choice ones - i said it was caused by damage to the right parietal lobe
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
It was only a Multiple Choice, asking which lobe and hemisphere it would occur. And it didnt say neglect syndrome. It said damage to what area of the brain would result in neglecting the left side of the body...
or soemthing like that
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Most were
there were some dodgy one's though
Question 14 had me stumped.
About which is the sympathetic NOT dominant over.
I had it down to Increase in Salivation and Relaxation of Lungs etc...
I put the salivation one in the end, when there was about 20 seconds left!
I wrote relaxation of airways.
I'm pretty sure it was salivation, because when you are aroused and what not, your mouth goes all dry.
And your airways dilate to let more in, so that WOULD be controlled by sympathetic.
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
why shouldnt they test it?
it was pretty easy anyways
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
It was only a Multiple Choice, asking which lobe and hemisphere it would occur. And it didnt say neglect syndrome. It said damage to what area of the brain would result in neglecting the left side of the body...
or soemthing like that
whether it said it or not, the question was still basically about neglect syndrome
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
It was only a Multiple Choice, asking which lobe and hemisphere it would occur. And it didnt say neglect syndrome. It said damage to what area of the brain would result in neglecting the left side of the body...
or soemthing like that
whether it said it or not, the question was still basically about neglect syndrome
So was it Parietal or Frontal?
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Parietal - right hemisphere
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Parietal. Because a function of the Parietal Lobe is Kinestisia.
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Damn! I had parietal at first but considered that the motor cortex was in the frontal lobe and since the body was neglected I pictured it as not moving so I chose frontal.
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Its not about not being able to move the body, its not being aware that its there.
parietal is responsible for position etc...
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and there was a question about neglect syndrome
Serious? Teachers will be really pissed about that. They shouldn't have been allowed to test that.
why shouldnt they test it?
it was pretty easy anyways
Because under the old study design, "neglect syndrome" was an actual dot point and it was taken off under the new design.
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It still has to do wiht the function of the lobes though doesnt it?
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True, it's related to the lobes but it would be unwise of them to test the knowledge using the actual term "neglect syndrome".
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does anyone have a copy of the exam?
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I second that statement lol
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Mmmm when we got out of our exam, our teachers had a copy of the exam, that they had answered while we were in the exam!
I was too scared to go through it though!
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Hopefully someone will turn up with a copy lol. I really want to go through it.
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The exam was SOO easy! I think i did awesomely.. although i didn't get one mark for that 'what type of groups design is this' near the end. But it's fair cos i didn't really know them. I'm excited tho.. it was SO easy and i'm quite confident a lot of people did really well... not that that's really a good thing tho :S
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you mean exam
your lucky there was only one mention of research designs :D there have been heaps in past exams
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TIME TO BURN MY NOTES!
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I'm keeping my notes :D seems like SUCH a waste!
Plus my posters make my bedroom look awesomely colourful!!
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im going to burn them.
ive written like 976978439978678 pages
we should all get together and have a HUGE bonfire :D
our stupid teacher didn't work out any answers, he just 'looked over it'
but he is a crap teacher, maybe he couldn't answer them, ha.
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it was SO easy and i'm quite confident a lot of people did really well... not that that's really a good thing tho :S
Why is that not a good thing?
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Any estimates for the A+ cut off?
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for stage 4 characterisitics i had
- more than 50% delta waves are present
- the lowering of physiological responses such as heart rate and body temperature ? lol
umm for question 3in short answer about the case study, i didnt really get it and i wrote part a that is "conclusions cannot be drawn to the wider population" is this correct lol?
hated the one about gsr and the polygraph aarggh
bring on august 4th lol
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Any estimates for the A+ cut off?
yeah i would like to know that too
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Im guessing 156/180.... Thats about a loss of 12 marks
Get that on both exams and your looking towards a 38 raw
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Tell me about it. I stuffed up on that the most. What did you end up writing? did you mention control and relevant questions.
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Mm control and relevent questions would be the distinguishing factor between his GSR.
So it would be that the GSR was significantly higher in response to relevent questions rather than the non-emotional control questions that give the baseline response.
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The exam was pretty easy except for a few :D questions.. I had trouble with that (para)sympathetic speech one
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Im guessing 156/180.... Thats about a loss of 12 marks
Get that on both exams and your looking towards a 38 raw
what an absolute load of vomit
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nickalaz, I'm going to warn you now because you're stepping dangerously close to the line. Trolls are not tolerated on this forum. Consider this your first and final warning.
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Tell me about it. I stuffed up on that the most. What did you end up writing? did you mention control and relevant questions.
i said that due to an increased in his electrical conductivity of his skin, his arousal responses would have been higher, leading the poilce to believe that he was lying. i didnt mention control or relevant questions :(
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did anyone know what the answer to question 11 was. about the showing brain activity over time. i picked mri and frmi. but my teacher said it would have been pet and mri
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surely it would have been PET and fMRI, as MRI doesnt show activity.
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oh ok then.
so anyone have an idea about the a+ range?
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The last question was Independent Groups design. I thought the psychology exam was overall easy, however I think the thing that got people was the time we had to complete it in.
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it IS an absolute load of vomit that you can get straight A+'s all year and then get 38
vomit vomit vomit
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what do you mean? as in enough time or not enough? i finished at 10.10 lol
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yeah i thought there was ample time to finish the exam in.
plenty of time to go over and correct my stupid mistakes!
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im worried now that i didnt do as well as i thought after reading this thread :(
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it IS an absolute load of vomit that you can get straight A+'s all year and then get 38
vomit vomit vomit
Troll...
You can get a 37 with A+'s... It just depends where there a high A+ or a low A+
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im worried now that i didnt do as well as i thought after reading this thread :(
same here! felt good after it and then i've come on here and lowered what i think i'll get from 88is to 80 LOL....dam geniuses
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yeh me too. everyone is talking about things that i didnt put in my answers but i knew them aarggh
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Yeah, it will be interesting to see how it is all marked, as there was some ambiguity in some of the questions.
I'm just glad its done with now :) nothing we can do to change it!!
Just ace the end of year :D
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could i just ask, the question that asked use a relevant gestalt principle. i picked similarity, so he could make them the same colour and then they would look alike or something along the lines of that.
was this correct? or was it only figure ground? because the question implied that there was more than 1 correct answer lol
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yeah i was really confidant until i came on here :)
is it just me or has there been this sudden increase in people joining vce ntoes???
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well actually, i know somebody first hand that got
an A on the midyear, A on the end of year, got 39 raw
2007
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could i just ask, the question that asked use a relevant gestalt principle. i picked similarity, so he could make them the same colour and then they would look alike or something along the lines of that.
was this correct? or was it only figure ground? because the question implied that there was more than 1 correct answer lol
Yeah aslong as you justified it well, then similarity could have been accepted. I asked my teacher about that one afterwards.
I said figure ground though, as that is the principle that is involved with camoflauge..
but depending on how you explained your answer then it could have been right.
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could i just ask, the question that asked use a relevant gestalt principle. i picked similarity, so he could make them the same colour and then they would look alike or something along the lines of that.
was this correct? or was it only figure ground? because the question implied that there was more than 1 correct answer lol
Similarity and figure ground will be accepted, as they could both work. I did similarity aswell.
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i think i would have done ok lol
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I didnt make reference to control and relevant questions, but i spoke about the increase in conductivity??? Will that be ohk or not full marks?
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it depends how you said it?
I;m not sure if saying
"an increase in GSR would indicate he is lying" because thats not clearly specifying what the increase was in relation to.
It all depends on your explanation
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does anyone remember the one about emma jane and krik. i wrote one factor would be age, cause i thought that past experience would not have been one.
i hope i was right. does anyone know this is right :(
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I didnt make reference to control and relevant questions, but i spoke about the increase in conductivity??? Will that be ohk or not full marks?
thats what i said, but i think i explained it ok lol so hopefully full marks lol
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does anyone remember the one about emma jane and krik. i wrote one factor would be age, cause i thought that past experience would not have been one.
i hope i was right. does anyone know this is right :(
I'm not sure about age:S
i know it could have accepted past exp. and context.
so say they saw the pic when they were in the company of either young women or old women would have been context,
and past experience, the girl could be young and have lots of young friends, thus exposed to many young women, increasing her likelihood of perceiving it in that particular way!
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i was going to say that.
but i thought it was wrong :( cant i go back in time? lol
does anyone know if they will accept age?
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i was going to say that.
but i thought it was wrong :( cant i go back in time? lol
haha yesss i wish i could go back in time as well! so i could study up a bit more on arousal!
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hopefully they accept age as a factor lol.
i wrote as emma jane may have been young she would have seen it as a women and kirk to be old and see it as an old lady
haha
please let them except it haha
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i said it was past experience, but maybe my explanation talked about context and experience lol.
mannnnnnnn long wait till august.
i think they should have a room joined to each exam room with examiners ready to mark out papers and we get our marks in like an hour :) . in my dreams.
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yeah i was really confidant until i came on here :)
is it just me or has there been this sudden increase in people joining vce ntoes???
second that lol
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question 15 of the multis about broca's what did everyone put?
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what was the actual question
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damage to broca's area would result in....
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hopefully they accept age as a factor lol.
i wrote as emma jane may have been young she would have seen it as a women and kirk to be old and see it as an old lady
haha
please let them except it haha
I think it could only be past experience or context..
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something about speaking and thinking?
is that the one?
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i was expecting the illusions 100% lol!!!! But it was good that they did not come up
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something about speaking and thinking?
is that the one?
Yeh thats it. isaid his speech would be understandable but be interrpted by stuttering..
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goddamn it. I wrote sympathetic...
I wrote context and said; that the aimbiguous figure could of had a context of at the beach.
if this was the case, then emma-lee or whatever her name, would be expecting to see a young woman rather than an old woman.
yeah i said that the girl went to a all girls school so she saw mostly young women.
but the guy (kirk i think) worked at a aged care facility so mostly saw old women.
that was the only SA question that i was a little uncertain about. it confused me wanting an example for both, badly worded/
With Kevin if the context was at a bingo hall then, he would be expecting to see an old lady rather than a young woman.
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something about speaking and thinking?
is that the one?
Yeh thats it. isaid his speech would be understandable but be interrpted by stuttering..
a or c then?
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i didnt choose the stuttering one i dont think, what were the other options?
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make sense - slow and deliberate
nonsense - something about nouns and verbs
make sense - stuttering
nonsense - something about 'a' and 'the'
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mm i said makes sense but is slow and deliberate
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i said make sense slow and deliberate,
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mm i said makes sense but is slow and deliberate
What does the 'deliberate' bit mean?
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They dont deliberately do it and thats why i said B
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like... theyr careful about it, and heavy on the pronounciation of words. like it kinda sounds forced
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they do deliberately do it.
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this has made me alot less confident lol
i guess we all just have to wait untill august
ew
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slow and deliberate..
anyways, exam was okay. i think it can be comparable to last years difficulty, however, some questions would have definitely caught some students off guard (eg ames room floor MC, GSR question, stage door camouflage etc)
i finished in about 50 minutes or so, so time wasnt really a factor (reading time helped alot, i must say. never did reading time for prac exams :P)
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For the Brocas question
So 100% the answer is slow and deliberate? Cause my teacher thinks otherwise, C.
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Your teacher is wrong :D
Using the process of elimination (and logic), that is the only thing it can be
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the short answer question in relation to what type of research design is it?
what was it? independent? but it is said 2 experimental groups....
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the short answer question in relation to what type of research design is it?
what was it? independent? but it is said 2 experimental groups....
Yh i noticed that.. i said independent groups design..
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for 2 characterisits of stage 4 sleep.... r these correct answers?
lowest physiological responses in any stage of sleep
no rapid eye movement
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for 2 characterisits of stage 4 sleep.... r these correct answers?
lowest physiological responses in any stage of sleep
no rapid eye movement
Yeh thats fine i think..
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Question... Define Consciousness
A) Selective, Continuous, Changing
B) Selective, Objective, CHanging
C) Selective, Objective, Subjective
D) Selective, Subjective, Changing
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A
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A for sure
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thats a no brainer. but i think its safe to say that the friggin VCAA didn't think some of the questions through... i mean, some of the multi choice could definately have more than one answer... all i know is that i f*ckin nailed the question about Nicks GSR reading. i gave myself i good pat on the back for it, hahaha
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sweet, got it right....
No mistakes spotted so far; Hopefully I only lost 8 marks in total
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for 2 characterisits of stage 4 sleep.... r these correct answers?
lowest physiological responses in any stage of sleep
no rapid eye movement
i wrote those answers as well except i said:
physiological responses are at their lowest
minimal or no eye movements in the individual.
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I said:
Over 50% Delta Waves
Night Terrors may occur
I'm unsure if the no rapid eye movement characteristic will count because its also a characteristic for every other NREM stage...
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for 2 characterisits of stage 4 sleep.... r these correct answers?
lowest physiological responses in any stage of sleep
no rapid eye movement
Yeah, that's pretty much what I wrote. Stage 4 is characterised by:
-Limited eye movement
-Any physiological response is low. (something like that)
(and generally delta-waves)
As for the exam, I was extremely happy! :) Didn't find it too difficult. A nice contrast to yesterday's exam! Our class had an end of unit 3 party after the exam ;D it was fun.
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in the 2005 exam i think... there was like 4 MC that had more then one correct answer
maybe it will be the same with this
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in the 2005 exam i think... there was like 4 MC that had more then one correct answer
maybe it will be the same with this
You have an awesome name! :P
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a short answer in visual perception....
height in the visual field..... markets n stalls
what did people write for that one?
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I wrote:
Relative size = "The painter could paint two adults in the painting, having one bigger than the other. We would expect both adults to be roughly the same size but the one that casts a larger image on the retina will be perceived as being closer than the one that casts a smaller image on the retina"
Height in the visual field = "The painter could paint one stall closer to the horizon and one further. The stall closer to the horizon will be perceived as being further away and the stall further away from the horizon will be perceived as closer"
I hate short answers, I know the answer but I can never word it correctly.
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I wrote for Relative Size: The market shops and the shoppers near the front of the image would produce a larger retinal image then those who are further away (who would produce a smaller retinal image)
For Height in the Visual Field: The market shops and the shoppers who are the most distant would be painted closer to the horizon, and the ones who are the least distant are closer towards the front of the image
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I wrote:
Relative size = "The painter could paint two adults in the painting, having one bigger than the other. We would expect both adults to be roughly the same size but the one that casts a larger image on the retina will be perceived as being closer than the one that casts a smaller image on the retina"
Height in the visual field = "The painter could paint one stall closer to the horizon and one further. The stall closer to the horizon will be perceived as being further away and the stall further away from the horizon will be perceived as closer"
I hate short answers, I know the answer but I can never word it correctly.
what i wrote was really similar to yours...although i'm not sure how clearly i expressed myself :S
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for 2 characterisits of stage 4 sleep.... r these correct answers?
lowest physiological responses in any stage of sleep
no rapid eye movement
Yeah, that's pretty much what I wrote. Stage 4 is characterised by:
-Limited eye movement
-Any physiological response is low. (something like that)
(and generally delta-waves)
As for the exam, I was extremely happy! :) Didn't find it too difficult. A nice contrast to yesterday's exam! Our class had an end of unit 3 party after the exam ;D it was fun.
where was my invite? I do unit 3 too :(
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you did unit 3. it's over!!
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hate life.
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The Sykoloji was really easy, only problem is that the examiners will have to take marks off for really small and petty things to make an even spread because the stkoloji section of vcaa arent smart enough to realise that a harder exam will produce an even spread without the need of taking marks off for things that dont measure your knowledge, for example: im assuming they will take marks off for the sergio painter question if u did not make any reference to the actual door and the wall and what ever and you merely stated that "the contour of a figure is not noticeable thus the figure is harder to separate from the ground"
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I liked that exam :) it was nice.
I think I did fairly well... the multiple choice=easy. Except stupid Ames Room. >:( but alas.
I said expectation for the ambigous figure one- emma jane had been told she was seeing a pic of a young woman and kirk had been told that the pic was an ambiguous pic so he looked for the old woman.
Age isn't a factor in the perceptual set is it? Isn't it only context, past experience, expectation and something else... maybe it is age? I dont know.
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i dont think you can say age itself, you must elaborate and say that the older woman will hang around next to older ppl and so she will ahve a readiness to perceive the figure as an old lady cause of that. something like that maybe
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Yeah. Did eeryone else find it uber short? I finsihed with like half an hour to spare and spent it annotating my question answer booklet (multiple choice section) with things like "kryptonite. lol. limitations- can't administer PET scan to superman" and such things while double checking everysingle question in the book. I made a stupid mistake in my prac exam (psychological/physiological. GAH!) so i looked over it abotu tne time for such mistakes.
Good luck for the GAT tomoz!
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I wrote:
Relative size = "The painter could paint two adults in the painting, having one bigger than the other. We would expect both adults to be roughly the same size but the one that casts a larger image on the retina will be perceived as being closer than the one that casts a smaller image on the retina"
Height in the visual field = "The painter could paint one stall closer to the horizon and one further. The stall closer to the horizon will be perceived as being further away and the stall further away from the horizon will be perceived as closer"
I hate short answers, I know the answer but I can never word it correctly.
omg. i heard that mark was worth 4 marks!!! i think we were meant to talk about the stalls AND the people in both or something. how else would you get 4 marks from that. i'm doooooomned >_<
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im glad there was no shit on the muller-lyer i hate that shit
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I wrote:
Relative size = "The painter could paint two adults in the painting, having one bigger than the other. We would expect both adults to be roughly the same size but the one that casts a larger image on the retina will be perceived as being closer than the one that casts a smaller image on the retina"
Height in the visual field = "The painter could paint one stall closer to the horizon and one further. The stall closer to the horizon will be perceived as being further away and the stall further away from the horizon will be perceived as closer"
I hate short answers, I know the answer but I can never word it correctly.
omg. i heard that mark was worth 4 marks!!! i think we were meant to talk about the stalls AND the people in both or something. how else would you get 4 marks from that. i'm doooooomned >_<
Maybe it is ur explanation of how it applies to the picture 1 mark for each and how you explain it e.g. closer to the horizon.
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By the sounds of what you guys have been saying (I haven't actually seen the exam yet) I reckon the A+ range will be about 160-180.
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QUESTION
For that relative size and height in visual field question. I forgot to give an example when explaining height in visual field, like drawing stalls closer to the horizon, but I mentioned "he can paint objects closer to the horizon, which will be perceived further away than object painted further away from the horizon". Will I lose a mark?
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QUESTION
For that relative size and height in visual field question. I forgot to give an example when explaining height in visual field, like drawing stalls closer to the horizon, but I mentioned "he can draw objects closer to the horizon, which will be perceived further away than object drawn further away from the horizon". Will I lose a mark?
i think you'd probably need to relate it to an example to get a mark - but maybe a more lenient examiner will mark your paper and give you a mark anyway
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QUESTION
For that relative size and height in visual field question. I forgot to give an example when explaining height in visual field, like drawing stalls closer to the horizon, but I mentioned "he can draw objects closer to the horizon, which will be perceived further away than object drawn further away from the horizon". Will I lose a mark?
I did the same thing. I'm hoping for a mark but I've got a feeling I've lost a few easy ones. :(
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Like moshi said, a more discerning and strict marker won't give you the mark, while a more lenient marker will give you the mark.
It depends on your luck in that regard I suppose.
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i have no clue about how the grades are worked out but im wondering wat did i need to score out of 90 to get an A
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Sounds fair enough.
What were your answers to the question regarding the GSR and polygraph? I've never seen how a GSR graph looks like in my life.
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i have no clue about how the grades are worked out but im wondering wat did i need to score out of 90 to get an A
check out the grade distributions from the last few years, here's the 2007 one:
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2007/section3/vce_psychology_ga07.pdf
they vary slightly from year to year
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Last year you needed between 147-156. That means would would need somewhere between 73 and 78 out of 90 for an A last year. I think the cut off will be slightly higher this year though.
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Sounds fair enough.
What were your answers to the question regarding the GSR and polygraph? I've never seen how a GSR graph looks like in my life.
i haven't seen one either, but i said something along the lines of, the assumption of using the polygraph as a lie detector is that lying produces high physiological responses to questions (i forgot to specify RELEVANT questions) :(, and that since Nick was in an aroused state, his skin's resistance to the electrical current would have been lowered
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I drew a picture but I didn't say what he should draw? I really doubt you were supposed to though. I mean it's saying how he can create DEPTH in the painting not what he should draw in it....
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Moshi that's right by the way
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cool thanks :)
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It's nice to know that "Nick" appeared on the exam this year LOL.
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lol as soon as i saw 'nick' my thoughts switched to this psych forum and i was momentarily distracted
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lol as soon as i saw 'nick' my thoughts switched to this psych forum and i was momentarily distracted
hahahaha that's gold!
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moshi, wat was the research design for the last question, u seem like a smart man
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Independent Research Design...or something like that..
I stuffed that up because my teacher didn't even bother going through it for more than a second.
I want a new psych teacher =(
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lol by the way mskwmskw, i'm a girl ;)
i opted for 'independent groups design'
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sorry moshi, thanks, i sed tht too, im just hearing mixed responses thou
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sorry moshi, thanks, i sed tht too, im just hearing mixed responses thou
thats alright - what did you put for the second part of the question?
my neck's sore from having to turn around 180 degrees just to check the time - i was one of the people in the classroom instead of the main hall, and was facing the back of the classroom where there was no clock attached! i'm definitely bringing a watch next time =="
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My teacher didn't bother finishing the course until like a week before the exam. One day she was away to drive the school bus. The week before that she was away for a week for who knows what. Both our sacs were in our last lesson before the exam.
It's only one mark i guess but it annoys me that she didn't prepare us properly.
Overall the exam seemed pretty easy though.
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well moshi, the 2nd part of the answer was in relation to the single blind procedure, i sed tht it elimantes particiapants expections or actions tht may afffect the experiment in an unwanted way n consquently impacting on the results.....
one last question about the speech question....
parasympathetic nervous system...
brings the body back to a state of homeostatis, therefore decresed heart rate
and
decreased persiparation because the the bodys level of arousal is dropping therefore the body does not need ot be cooled off as much
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yeah that's probably right - im not sure how to explain perspiration, but what you wrote sounds reasonable
for the second part i said it helps to avoid the placebo effect, but now i'm not so sure
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u wood be rite, im not the best at psych, i wood love to get an A
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your answers have seemed to be pretty good so far, so you'll probably get there (:
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moshi, im about to hit the hay but b4 i go one last thing, wat did u say about the lady looking at her hand, cant exactly remember the question.....
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retinal disparity, due to the 6-7cm difference between her eyes
and for the second part of the question, i think you could have written any of the binocular cues, so i chose convergence
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moshi, im about to hit the hay but b4 i go one last thing, wat did u say about the lady looking at her hand, cant exactly remember the question.....
Retinal disparity.
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I did convergence, it could be either one
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so no one has the exam?
to upload? lol
im hoping for an a+ :( hopefully i get it
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were allowed to take copies if we ask the teachers, but no1 did for psych
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were allowed to take copies if we ask the teachers, but no1 did for psych
How devastating lol
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moshi, im about to hit the hay but b4 i go one last thing, wat did u say about the lady looking at her hand, cant exactly remember the question.....
Retinal disparity.
Did we actually have to say retinal disparity? Because the question just asked why her hand cast different images...
so i just said because the retinas are 6-7cm apart, a different picture is cast onto each one
:S
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moshi, im about to hit the hay but b4 i go one last thing, wat did u say about the lady looking at her hand, cant exactly remember the question.....
Retinal disparity.
Did we actually have to say retinal disparity? Because the question just asked why her hand cast different images...
so i just said because the retinas are 6-7cm apart, a different picture is cast onto each one
:S
I would say so, given that retinal disparity is the principle you are explaining. It probably wouldn't matter though if you answered in enough detail.
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it didn't actually ask, i just put it in case the examiners are fussy
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I drew a picture but I didn't say what he should draw? I really doubt you were supposed to though. I mean it's saying how he can create DEPTH in the painting not what he should draw in it....
you're 100% right.. it doesn't say in the questions please give an example of what the artist could draw i.e stalls. You just had to say how he could show depth and distance.
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It only stated why it occurs, so i dont think u had to specifically say it, just explain it.
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phew :) i got heaps worried for a sec!
i'm still so pumped to be finished!
yuck for the GAT tomorrow tho!
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omg...
i put down parasympathetic nervous system for the boy public speaking
and i wrote about the sympathetic nervous system physiological effects!!!!
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i mustve read the question wrong!!11
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how many marks was that anyway? ugh
cant believe it <_<
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i think maybe 3? or 2. didnt think it was a 4
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i think it was 3 marks all up
including the answer
so u'll at least get the one for parasympathetic:)
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3 altogether: one for the nervous system, two for the physiological effects
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even if i get a low a+ ill be happy haha.
hopefully i got top in my school as i am ranked number 1
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oh yeah, and about the brocas one, was it defiently a?
i put down c? hopefully it was one where more than 1 answer was correct lol, like from past exams
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omgoshhhh 2 marks <_<
and i even checked over it and thought iw as still correct......
sighhhh
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pretty sure it was definitely A for the Broca's one. I'm not sure about the stuttering?
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oh yeah, and about the brocas one, was it defiently a?
i put down c? hopefully it was one where more than 1 answer was correct lol, like from past exams
i put down a, but yeah more than one answer can be correct in some cases, like the 2006 exam, i think?
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It can be, but only if its valid!
Which it could be, i have no idea!
Anyone checked about Brocas and stuttering?
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It's referring to the speech itself, so can someone jusify why they believe the speech would be deliberate?
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Deliberate: To think carefully and often slowly, as about a choice to be made.
Meaning they have to think carefully and their speech is often slow.
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I honestly think it could be either.
Stuttering could easily be a characteristic of Broca's aphasia due to the non-fluent nature of the speech being produced.
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I put down slow and deliberate
my wanted score has gone down to 43, hopefully I didn't do too badly but I've spotted a couple of mistakes
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hmm Grivas text book:
page 75, BOX 1:
"Damage to Broca's area often produces speech that is very deliberate, consisting of a few words with a very simple grammatical structure"
And not in the whole book could i find anything about stuttering...
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oh crap lol
hopefully it was one of those that had 2 answers to it lol
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a stuttering forum i frequent seem to be pretty content with stuttering being a physical effect of Broca's aphasia
http://www.stutteringforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295
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What about the colours of the wave lengths question?
It was in MC and it said what would be the best way to measure blue, red and green wavelenths or something.
I think the answer was frequency? does anyone rememeber.
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yeah i remember.
i was pretty definite that it was wavelengths but i may be wrong. i put that down because the visible spectrum of light is measured in wavelengths not frequency i think.
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yeah wavelength.
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It was wavelength. Height is intensity.
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i hope its wavelengths, because i put that down, but now im thinking it was frequency because depending on the high and low frequency of the wavelength, it can change from being blue wavelength to a red wavelength.
because the lower the frequency (shorter) produces blue and the higher the frequency (longer) produces red. Is that right?
Its in the Grivas book....
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It was wavelength im 100% sure!!!!
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so hopefully they will accept both answers lol as alot of people i think put c down as an answer
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so hopefully they will accept both answers lol as alot of people i think put c down as an answer
I said C :(
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me 2 lol,
cause i never read that there speech was deliberate.
but thats probably cause i own the heinemann text book
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me 2 lol,
cause i never read that there speech was deliberate.
but thats probably cause i own the heinemann text book
lol so do I....Must be the worst out of the psych book? I thought it was good until it cost me a mark!!!
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Did anyone get a copy of the exam today?
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i hate the heinemann book.
Hey Nick, my teacher i think picked up the exam, i should be able to get it on monday hopefully and scan it in by monday night. unless someone already has it?
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That'd be great. I'd be very grateful if someone could scan it.
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yeh well i should have it on by monday night, sorry you have to wait so long lol
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That's alright. lol
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Ooh question:
I'm still worrying about the exam, and today, i remembered the question about sleep deprivation?
Did it say physical and psychological effects? and then what long term consequesnces would there be?
I'm pretty sure it said physical... which was odd, because im sure we only covered psychological and physiological effects.
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i said there'd be no long term effects from sleep deprivation
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There would be no long term effects
I just wrote: "None"
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mm i said none too, but i was more wondering about the physical effects?
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oh well i just put 'drooping eyelids' and 'fatigue'
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I put headaches and droopy eyelids
for psychological I put irritability and hallucinations
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but isnt there a difference btwn physical and physiological? i said similar to those answers as well, but i always thought physiological was ffrom within the body, and physical was more external?
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for simplicity, they are the same thing in all VCAA exams (vcaa may use the word physical or physiological)
The only place you may see the words used in different contexts is STAV exams..... (and there just gay, everyone knows that)
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haha gosh i hope so!
we got taught them as different, so hopefully thats all good...
phew. im progressively de-stressing myself :)
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you mean your parasympathetic nervous system is restoring your body to homeostasis :)
haha
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LOL haha
i put droop eyelids and tremor in the hands :) lol
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LOL haha
i put droop eyelids and tremor in the hands :) lol
same!!!!
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was there a question on this exam about people called kirk / emma jane?
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yep sure was
you didnt do it?
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yes there was :D
that question was about perceptual set
I wrote past experience... briefly summarisd...
kirk saw old people cause he was old and lived in a retirement village and so his past experience predisposed him to percieve the ambiguous figure as an older woman
emma jane was younger and she went to school with young girls.... past experience predisposed her to see the ambiguous as a young woman :D
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because would you believe it, apparently my senior school principal wrote some of the exam.
and i hang out with a guy called kirk, and him and a girl called emma-jane (used to) always have arguments in our year 10 genetics class :P
how about that? :)
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r u serious... lol cool
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Did anyone else find the visual perception multis incredibly easy (apart from the one off Ames Room Q)
I think they really tried to tone it down this year cause of all the poor results in it from previous years......
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What did people right for the slanting of the floor of the Ame's room in the MC? I chose the one with "the floor doesn't slant but the ceiling does".
i think you're correct on that one buddy coz i went to visit the aimes room at the museum and the floor was fine but the roof was slanted
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For the Brocas question
So 100% the answer is slow and deliberate? Cause my teacher thinks otherwise, C.
i think your teacher is correct. Can anybody justify why it wouldn't be correct? They would stutter due to being unable to pronounce words properly, therefore having to try extra hard to pronounce words.
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What did people right for the slanting of the floor of the Ame's room in the MC? I chose the one with "the floor doesn't slant but the ceiling does".
i think you're correct on that one buddy coz i went to visit the aimes room at the museum and the floor was fine but the roof was slanted
Lol the floor did slant in the museum, I went there too
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Hey guys you know with that question about Kirk and Emma- Jane or whatever the names were, is it ok if i just say the ambiguous figure was perceived as being either an old or young lady due to their predisposition to ignore ceratin aspects of the stimulant and interpret what they wanted based on the context that the ambiguous figure was percieved in??? without giving all those examples that everybody gave about kirk coming from a retirement village and so on..?
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For the Brocas question
So 100% the answer is slow and deliberate? Cause my teacher thinks otherwise, C.
i think your teacher is correct. Can anybody justify why it wouldn't be correct? They would stutter due to being unable to pronounce words properly, therefore having to try extra hard to pronounce words.
I don't think I need to justify the slow part, because everyone knows its slow. But for the deliberate part.
Book:
Psychology by Grivas, Carter, Down
Page 75, Blue Box 1 titled: Damage to Broca's area and effects on speech
Quote first sentence of 2nd paragraph: "Damage to Broca's area often produces speech that is very deliberate"
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Hey guys you know with that question about Kirk and Emma- Jane or whatever the names were, is it ok if i just say the ambiguous figure was perceived as being either an old or young lady due to their predisposition to ignore ceratin aspects of the stimulant and interpret what they wanted based on the context that the ambiguous figure was percieved in??? without giving all those examples that everybody gave about kirk coming from a retirement village and so on..?
I don't think you would get full marks for that because you had to make up an example for there situation. You didn't explain how context was applied (IE - Was Kirk shown images of elderly people before he saw the ambiguous figure). So I doubt you'd get any marks for just that description.
But if you put context in the first part of that question, you'd get the mark for that
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Hey guys you know with that question about Kirk and Emma- Jane or whatever the names were, is it ok if i just say the ambiguous figure was perceived as being either an old or young lady due to their predisposition to ignore ceratin aspects of the stimulant and interpret what they wanted based on the context that the ambiguous figure was percieved in??? without giving all those examples that everybody gave about kirk coming from a retirement village and so on..?
I don't think you would get full marks for that because you had to make up an example for there situation. You didn't explain how context was applied (IE - Was Kirk shown images of elderly people before he saw the ambiguous figure). So I doubt you'd get any marks for just that description.
But if you put context in the first part of that question, you'd get the mark for that
yeh i mentioned that Kirk and Emma were exposed to the ambigous figure in different contexts and i used the example of old ladies and young ladies respectively.. Oh well well just have to wait and see. Other than that pretty easy paper i say
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what was the answer to:
"blahblahblah ESB can be used to map motor/somatosensory cortex blahblah. why isnt it used often today?"
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Because it cannot be used on the healthy population, due to ethical purposes
Simpler terms: You wouldn't want someone slicing up your skull while your awake, and touching your open brain just for a few tests of where things are
But if someones already having surgery, or if they have brain damage, then it can be used
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Because it cannot be used on the healthy population, due to ethical purposes
Simpler terms: You wouldn't want someone slicing up your skull while your awake, and touching your open brain just for a few tests of where things are
But if someones already having surgery, or if they have brain damage, then it can be used
Yeah, it's invasive, and there are now better methods for looking at brain function.
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umm if i hopefully get the exam tomorrow and scan it in by tomorrow night, am i even allowed to? as in, am i breaking some sort of law? or is it ok?
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lol people have posted pages from the GAT up - if you don't want to post it on the site, maybe just send it via email to people who request it
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i might do that,
i know Nick is desperate to see it lol!
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No, there are no laws against posting the psych exam.
Last year the psych exam was on the net within a few hours and we were all discussing the answers.
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oh ok then
it shall be up by tomorrow night hopefully,
then maybe Nick, you could do some suggested solutions if your up to it? :)
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That'd be great, thanks.
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oh ok then
it shall be up by tomorrow night hopefully,
then maybe Nick, you could do some suggested solutions if your up to it? :)
If enough people want them, I'd be happy to do suggested solutions. I wouldn't be able to get it finalised though until maybe Wednesday night (given my work situation).
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thats fine, take your time ;) your doing us all a favour,
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My multiple choice answers.... 1.............44
1.B D C A A C C D B A B B D C C(wrong) A C A A C B D C C A C B A B D D A C B C B B C C A C C B 44.D
hopefully you all got the same!!!
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I got FOR A0S1
1) B
2) D
3) C
4) A
5) A
6) C
7) C
8) D
9) B
10) A
11) B
12) B
13) D
14) C
15) A
16) A
17) C
18) B (think its wrong :()
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For AOS 2
A, C, B, D, C, C, A, C, B, A, B, D, D
For AOS 3
A, C, B, C, B, B, C, C, A, C, C, B, D
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I got everything the same as Daniel except question 18 :( Can't believe I got it wrong :(
it was such an easy question aswell
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What did everyone get for 14
Question
Which of the following responses is not produced by the sympathetic nervous system?
A) Relaxation of airways
B) Slowing of Digestion
C) An increase in the production of saliva
D) Dilation of Pupils
Me and daniel got C but Eriny thinks A
Which is correct
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Its C...The sympathetic nervous system does relax the airways
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Yeah it's definitely C for sure. The sympathetic NS is responsible for decreasing production of saliva, causing the mouth to feel dry.
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Increase in saliva = increase in digestion = parasympathetic
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alright thanks
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my answers were the same as daniel99's, except for that silly mistake that i made with the ames room question :(
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wow it seems everyone is getting close to full marks
must've been an easy exam. I wonder what the cutoff will be for an A+
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my answers were the same as daniel99's, except for that silly mistake that i made with the ames room question :(
That gives me confidence!!!! Did you also get the bocas one wrong???
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oh whoops actually i said slow and deliberate (A), so those two were the only difference between our answers
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What did everyone get for 14
Question
Which of the following responses is not produced by the sympathetic nervous system?
A) Relaxation of airways
B) Slowing of Digestion
C) An increase in the production of saliva
D) Dilation of Pupils
Me and daniel got C but Eriny thinks A
Which is correct
Bah, sorry. It's C. I can't remember if that was a typo or I got it wrong :P
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What did everyone get for 14
Question
Which of the following responses is not produced by the sympathetic nervous system?
A) Relaxation of airways
B) Slowing of Digestion
C) An increase in the production of saliva
D) Dilation of Pupils
Me and daniel got C but Eriny thinks A
Which is correct
Bah, sorry. It's C. I can't remember if that was a typo or I got it wrong :P
I would say typo! lol you did get a 50..