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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: Em. on February 20, 2011, 05:31:29 pm
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Ok.. Im stuck b/w choosing psych or legal... ???
I want to be a midwife ..
What r the pros n cons of each subject?
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Really depends on your interests if you ask me.
I'm doing both and I prefer Legal simply because I just really really like the subject.
Psych isn't bad either, and the two have similar study techniques.
Just go with interest if you ask me.
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If you do poorly (<40) in Psych you get scaled down [con].
Legal scales up [pro]
Psych exam has 45 MCQ [pro]
Legal doesn't [con]
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Psych's considered easier and more useful, isn't it?
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If you're not serious about both, or want to know the easiest selection in regards to legal or psychology, pick psychology. you'll find it easier to grasp the concepts as opposed to legal which requires dedicative effort and thorough refinement of response skills. pick psychology; I do both so I would know (:
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Really depends. If you find you'll enjoy both equally, think about which one may be more beneficial (i think legal complements english well as it is a writing subject). Also think about the teachers, and the cohort, if you have a strong psyh cohort and good teacher, go with psych, same goes for legal.
Personally i enjoy legal, but i do not do psych so i can't comment on that.
Both have a new study design this year, so on terms of that - they are equal.
Good luck
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If you do poorly (<40) in Psych you get scaled down [con].
Legal scales up [pro]
Legal doesn't scale up as far as i know. In fact, psych and legal's scaling was almost identical last year, psych just scaled down a little more...
Unless this 'scaling up' is a new thing for this year :/
And, to answer the question... I agree with what nacho said is depends on teachers and cohorts and which subject you prefer.
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Ouch, they're both new study designs aren't they?
I'd just go for the one you like most, legal probably has the most 'real-life' applications though.
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Yeah, I really hope the new study design doesn't give the exam writers a good reason to completely challenge the past previous exam patterns - I don't want to get screwed over..
But then again, doesn't the first year of a new study design usually translate to an easier exam? Correct me if I'm wrong ..
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Yeah, I really hope the new study design doesn't give the exam writers a good reason to completely challenge the past previous exam patterns - I don't want to get screwed over..
But then again, doesn't the first year of a new study design usually translate to an easier exam? Correct me if I'm wrong ..
Either very easy or very hard. I think BM had it hard (51/65 cut off? - luken confirm?)
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Ouch, they're both new study designs aren't they?
I'd just go for the one you like most, legal probably has the most 'real-life' applications though.
Yes to first statement.
Um hell no to second. Very personal opinion there. Psych studies states of consciousness...how you sleep, why you sleep, what happens when you sleep, how your brain works (I made a relevant thread on that....)...I'd say Psych is more relevant.
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Do whatever seems more easier for you, but I think Psychology is a better option.
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I'll go with psych, but then again I'm biased I like the subject. I think it's more relevant to real life whereas the law is constantly and what happens if you decide to move to another country...
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Um hell no to second. Very personal opinion there. Psych studies states of consciousness...how you sleep, why you sleep, what happens when you sleep, how your brain works (I made a relevant thread on that....)...I'd say Psych is more relevant.
Because that's not a 'very personal opinion' there... the examples you gave for Psych weren't relevant to real-life situations, whereas a background knowledge in 'law' is always decent enough to have to troll teh peoplez.
As for the topic at hand, do whatever interests you more. I suggest reading the study design.
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I do both. Psych is more interesting and is a subject that is applicable to real life, but legal is much more USEFUL to real life. I like both equally but I know my knowledge of VCAT will help me more than my knowledge of REM, for example. it's just that psych can be more interesting.
I'll be honest, legal is underrated in it's difficulty, and if you chose based on return on investment, then psych is the way to go. If you are considering law, well whilst legal won't help with uni, save for one lecture, it will give you a good idea if you have an interest in that field at all.
PM me if you want more info about this.
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Um hell no to second. Very personal opinion there. Psych studies states of consciousness...how you sleep, why you sleep, what happens when you sleep, how your brain works (I made a relevant thread on that....)...I'd say Psych is more relevant.
Because that's not a 'very personal opinion' there... the examples you gave for Psych weren't relevant to real-life situations, whereas a background knowledge in 'law' is always decent enough to have to troll teh peoplez.
As for the topic at hand, do whatever interests you more. I suggest reading the study design.
Um obviously? I wrote 'personal opinion' and than 'I'd say' providing an alternative view. I fail to see how it's not relevant? You can tell what type of consciousness you in (and others), what stage people are sleeping in, why they're sleeping more, why're they're irritated at 4am...tell which hemisphere of your brain you like, explain why when you touch hot things you retract immediately....lol the list is endless.
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How much of that are you really going to be using in the real world though? It's cool to know it, but what actual application does it have?
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Psychology is much easier than legal. You actually need to be able to write well in order to get into the 40s, as opposed to psychology, which is essentially multiple-choice questions and short answers. And the good thing is that if you are thinking of studying law in uni, VCE legal studies can be some sort of indicator, of the content you would be looking at for law in uni, though it is a much more simplified version. But in the end, it depends on where your interest lie.
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How much of that are you really going to be using in the real world though? It's cool to know it, but what actual application does it have?
None whatsoever
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Psych has definitely gotten much harder due to the study design change.
As for the easy or hard exams because its first year of the design, I would say don't worry about it as everyone does the same exam anyway.
and both Psych and Legal will stay the same if not go up a tad this year I reckon.
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If you do poorly (<40) in Psych you get scaled down [con].
Legal scales up [pro]
Psych exam has 45 MCQ [pro]
Legal doesn't [con]
I heard from the tsfx lecturer that psychology might be scaling up this year because it is a new course?
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The fact that it's a new course won't make a difference (in and of itself). The marks people get on the exam will determine the scaling
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If you do poorly (<40) in Psych you get scaled down [con].
Legal scales up [pro]
Psych exam has 45 MCQ [pro]
Legal doesn't [con]
I heard from the tsfx lecturer that psychology might be scaling up this year because it is a new course?
As far as I know scaling isn't calculated until the end of the year ie. after all exams are finished so there is no way he could predict this....
I don't know if the bolded text has been discussed already but legal scales down!! NOT UP
It scaled up 0.25 for me but I got 49
not sure but I think anything below ~45 or so would scale down
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If you do poorly (<40) in Psych you get scaled down [con].
Legal scales up [pro]
Psych exam has 45 MCQ [pro]
Legal doesn't [con]
I heard from the tsfx lecturer that psychology might be scaling up this year because it is a new course?
As far as I know scaling isn't calculated until the end of the year ie. after all exams are finished so there is no way he could predict this....
I don't know if the bolded text has been discussed already but legal scales down!! NOT UP
It scaled up 0.25 for me but I got 49
not sure but I think anything below ~45 or so would scale down
Ah see I knew it scaled up something....( i only know of higher-end scores ). So it scales down? Hmm - guess you learn something everyday !
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Students generally do very well in legal exams, the benchmark is higher.
Though saying that Psychology at MHS is VERY strong. Last year at my school most scores were around 40 or under?
My friend at MHS got 50 tho ;p
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You can tell what type of consciousness you in (and others), what stage people are sleeping in, why they're sleeping more, why're they're irritated at 4am...tell which hemisphere of your brain you like, explain why when you touch hot things you retract immediately....lol the list is endless.
I am still not convinced that Psych has more relevance to the real world than Legal.
I mean, if you are watching other sleep so intently, then you've got your own psychological issues...
@Em: Go with Legal, they scale similar but I think Legal definitely has more real-life applications and sounds far more interesting
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Do you really have any evidence at all? You're just throwing opinions out there and you don't even do the subject...
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I did Psych and the relevance to the real world is fairly minimal. The amount of times understanding sleep, memory, visual perception, cognition etc. will actually be useful is a pretty low number
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Just because psych involves many things we use everyday, doesnt mean the stuff you actually learn is going to be applicable to real life, sorta like maths methods.
Legal on the other hand, gives you a better idea of what is actually keeping you from freely being able to attack me, and also especially with disputes, had I been aware of vCAT a few years ago, I could've suggested it to my dad so he could deal with some dickhead of a neighbour who decided to poison one of our trees
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Yeah, in my opinion, Legal is far more applicable, in terms of real-life situations, than the other subjects I did - Methods, Chem, etc..
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Psychology if you are useless, Legal if you are not
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Psychology if you are useless, Legal if you are not
+1
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In all seriousness though, if you want to be a midwife, Pyschology may be of some small help
Though ATAR, it is probably best not to suggest that less than 40 is a "poor" score :P
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Psychology if you are useless, Legal if you are not
*Cough* ... Geography if you are useless, Legal if you are not :P
And hey, that was my opinion of <40. Besides it's VN...nerds on this!
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Psychology if you are useless, Legal if you are not
*Cough* ... Geography if you are useless, Legal if you are not :P
Geography actually has a lot more real-life applications, and is far from useless. Without the 'useless' people who study geo, I'm sure many more would have been tragically involved in the disatsters of the QLD floods and NZ earthquakes.
I see the employed psych community has contributed {insert synonym of 'nothing'} to of recent to real life applicability.
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Geography has more real life application than any of my other subjects LOL!
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Jesus to the both of you.
Throughout this whole thread I haven't used the word 'applicable' ONCE. I use 'relevant'
And clearly I was joking as taiga did Geography....and didn't score that well :P
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I haven't done either of the three subjects (including geo), so I am taking an unbiased and unequivocal stance in this thread. In reality: Geo > Legal > Psych.
In terms of (relating back to OP) applicability or relevance to real life (seeing as both subjects scale similarly and both have new study designs this year), I would have to side with Legal. After reading ATAR's biased and flimsy defense of psych (which he is most certainly entitled to), I stand by this stance.
@Em: Legal > Psych
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Jesus to the both of you.
Throughout this whole thread I haven't used the word 'applicable' ONCE. I use 'relevant'
And clearly I was joking as taiga did Geography....and didn't score that well :P
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/applicable
–adjective
applying or capable of being applied; relevant; suitable; appropriate: an applicable rule; a solution that is applicable to the problem.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/applicable
–adjective
applying or capable of being applied; relevant; suitable; appropriate: an applicable rule; a solution that is applicable to the problem.
LOL ;D
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Wow.
Let's make this quite clear.
If something is applicable you can APPLY it to life.
If something is relevant it shows a correlation or some sort of link with life - not necessarily applicable.
Far out kids - grow up.
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Just because you study psychology doesn't mean you can play mind games on us. :P
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Just because you study psychology doesn't mean you can play mind games on us. :P
;D
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Please stop generalizing about what score is good or not, yes I wasn't happy with my Geo score, but I would be a douchebag if I went around in public saying I did poorly, because to most of the state it is a good score.
Anyway we should keep this on topic, though I don't think the thread is going anywhere :P
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Please stop generalizing about what score is good or not, yes I wasn't happy with my Geo score, but I would be a douchebag if I went around in public saying I did poorly, because to most of the state it is a good score.
Anyway we should keep this on topic, though I don't think the thread is going anywhere :P
Taiga, you told me yourself you weren't happy which I take as permission to just state a fact. If it was anyone else I would not comment but I knew your aims, school etc.
Besides you called my subject useless ::)
This thread has the majority saying Psych with the exception of Rohitpi's vehemence against it.
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This thread has the majority saying Psych with the exception of Rohitpi's vehemence against it.
The psych 'majority' of yours have deemed 4 of your posts in this thread a -5 community respect... (AN record?)
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Please stop generalizing about what score is good or not, yes I wasn't happy with my Geo score, but I would be a douchebag if I went around in public saying I did poorly, because to most of the state it is a good score.
Anyway we should keep this on topic, though I don't think the thread is going anywhere :P
Taiga, you told me yourself you weren't happy which I take as permission to just state a fact. If it was anyone else I would not comment but I knew your aims, school etc.
Besides you called my subject useless ::)
This thread has the majority saying Psych with the exception of Rohitpi's vehemence against it.
haha maybe you got me, but I did rectify it in the next post in which I did in fact recommend psychology.
never take my word as fact, or you will get nowhere LOL, and no one knew my aim for geo LOL
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This thread is going nowhere
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This thread has the majority saying Psych with the exception of Rohitpi's vehemence against it.
The psych 'majority' of yours have deemed 4 of your posts in this thread a -5 community respect... (AN record?)
Why don't you actually read the thread where Psych is endorsed for being less english-like and easier.
Psychology is much easier than legal. You actually need to be able to write well in order to get into the 40s, as opposed to psychology, which is essentially multiple-choice questions and short answers. And the good thing is that if you are thinking of studying law in uni, VCE legal studies can be some sort of indicator, of the content you would be looking at for law in uni, though it is a much more simplified version. But in the end, it depends on where your interest lie.
If you're not serious about both, or want to know the easiest selection in regards to legal or psychology, pick psychology. you'll find it easier to grasp the concepts as opposed to legal which requires dedicative effort and thorough refinement of response skills. pick psychology; I do both so I would know (:
Can't be bothered posting more.
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Easiness doesn't equate to 'betterness' or higher study scores. Nor does 'less English-likeness'. Every subject contains and needs English knowledge!
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Easiness doesn't equate to 'betterness' or higher study scores. Nor does 'less English-likeness'. Every subject contains and needs English knowledge!
I meant Legal has full short-answer questions with essay-like answers and Psych has half MCQ. The distinction is clear.
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Easiness doesn't equate to 'betterness' or higher study scores. Nor does 'less English-likeness'. Every subject contains and needs English knowledge!
+1, I think ATAR's missing the point (and hence, now this thread is too)
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Psychology helps with picking up girls. Hence, why you should study psychology.
Legal won't pick up girls, if you intend to impress her with cases of child abuse and peace organizations.
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Easiness doesn't equate to 'betterness' or higher study scores. Nor does 'less English-likeness'. Every subject contains and needs English knowledge!
+1, I think ATAR's missing the point (and hence, now this thread is too)
I think you should read the above post :)
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Yeah, the distinction is very, very clear, and I think that distinction was made 3 pages ago. The point is, the structure of an exam isn't exactly proportionate to a higher study score in a subject.
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Yeah, the distinction is very, very clear, and I think that distinction was made 3 pages ago. The point is, the structure of an exam isn't exactly proportionate to a higher study score in a subject.
Lol what? Your missing the point - LEGAL IS MORE ENGLISH-BASED hence your post of 'everything needs english' is too generic.
It's up to the OP to decide if he/she likes English or not.
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Psychology helps with picking up girls. Hence, why you should study psychology.
Legal won't pick up girls, if you intend to impress her with cases of child abuse and peace organizations.
Legal Studies can help some people when it comes to picking up girls, letting them know whats Legal, and what isn't
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Well you've got to know how to apply the language to do ANY exam don't you?! Just because Legal has a more English-based kind of exam doesn't mean that it's any easier/harder to get high marks in, IMO anyway.
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Well you've got to know how to apply the language to do ANY exam don't you?! Just because Legal has a more English-based kind of exam doesn't mean that it's any easier/harder to get high marks in, IMO anyway.
Yes to bolded statement. No to non-bolded statement - like I said, depending on the English skill of the person!
I for one SUCK. Not all of us pull off 35 Study scores with one essay werdna...
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This thread is going nowhere
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@Em: apologies for the state of the thread, hope you got your question answered