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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: IntoTheNewWorld on February 22, 2011, 08:14:05 pm
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When I started Uni last year I thought I would never do Maths again in my life, and forgot everything related to Methods. For some strange reason I'm now going to complete a major in B.Sci that requires up to linear algebra. I just looked at the Methods 2009 exam and realised I can't do 99% of the questions, and even at my peak I could only understand half. My friend asked me how do you differentiate y = x and I had no idea. I'm also starting Calculus 1 next week.
Am I screweeeed?
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If you can't differentiate y = x, then yeah you're in a fair bit of trouble.
Calc1 is taught pretty solidly though, not being brilliant at maths probably won't be a serious flaw but if it's too tough in the first 2 weeks you might want to consider dropping to the introductory subject
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yes u r. lol!
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yes u r. lol!
+1, lol at the differentiation.
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yes u r. lol!
+1, lol at the differentiation.
+2. Once you relearn it though, I'm sure you'll be fine
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What parts of Methods should I cram most in the next few days? (lol) I presume Calculus 1 would focus mainly on calculus, and not have the probability stuff at least.
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I'd start by
cramming learning basic differentiation and even 'rates of change' if you are struggling a bit. You can work straight out of a yr12 text for those things.
If you feel you are really unsure about things, maybe going over some basic algebra exercises might help too.
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Cramming won't help you at all if you don't know it, the exam is in 12 weeks not next week.
If you wanted to learn some stuff, I'd recommend functions/relations + trig because if you've forgotten that then nothing is going to make sense to you. The trig relationships for triangles come up a lot, as does Pythagoras + the implications
Don't bother learning calc, it's too hard by yourself if you're not confident and tbh it's taught so much better at uni than high school so if you can't learn it during semester then you won't learn it ever.
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this could help
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,38385.0.html
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Thanks guys.
hm I'm going through stuff on Khan Academy, Algebra playlist (fail). Forgot all the graph types and basically all of trig.
I think I've forgotten as much as I have because I didn't really understand it at a deep level when I did Methods anyway - just did practice questions and applied formulas. Did not think that would affect me later on >_>
this could help
http://vce.atarnotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,38385.0.html
Signed up as soon as I saw the email, lol. I'm also hoping my pro maths friends will tutor me.
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For the first tute, you'll be going over circular functions. Best to get on top of that before your first tute. The first tute is just revision of Methods.
In the first topic, you learn about cosec, sec and cot and its identities. Then you go on with arcsin, arccos, arctan. Then the "hard" bit of implied domain and ranges. Then you go on to ellipses, hyperbolae.
After all that, you'll go on to the next topic of vectors and from there it just builds up.
So all in all, master circular functions, then go to differentiation and the likes. :)
P.S. The above advice is only useful, of course, if they haven't changed the order of the course since last year.
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Doubt it, that was the order we did it in in 2008 and there's really no reason to change it (ie polar is always going to be week 11 etc.)
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Doubt it, that was the order we did it in in 2008 and there's really no reason to change it (ie polar is always going to be week 11 etc.)
Yeah, complex numbers was fun. :D Really starts screwing with your mathematical mind if you've never had any exposure to it and Iain Scott made a great soccer analogy with it, haha. The memories...
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I had Deb King, I spent the lecture imagining where else I could be.
Probably explains my exam mark actually.
Actually, that's not true, I really enjoyed complex numbers because it was the reason I loved maths in the first place. There was also the hilarity of watching half the class fail at it, so schadenfreude alert lol
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I had Deb King, I spent the lecture imagining where else I could be.
Probably explains my exam mark actually.
Actually, that's not true, I really enjoyed complex numbers because it was the reason I loved maths in the first place. There was also the hilarity of watching half the class fail at it, so schadenfreude alert lol
haha nice pun. ;)
I went to one of King's lectures and I thought her lectures were pretty good. On the other hand, if you went to either of the Alex's... Then I can understand the meaning of "getting screwed over".
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Find and download (torrent, rapidshare etc) the Calculus 1 lectures from Mathtutordvd. They're incredibly basic (yet relevant), and they'll get you up to speed quicksmart.
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LOL! I went to all of Alex's lectures - the one with the hard surname. He did a pretty crap job at explaining complex numbers...
In response to the post, I reckon you should brush up some Methods knowledge before starting Calc 1, most stuff is assumed knowledge from Methods. They may explain a few things again but you might struggle if you don't remember anything from Methods. Calc 1 is supposed to be like Specialist Maths without all the stuff on forces etc.
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Join the TAP for Calc 1. Don't worry my brother is in year 10 and he came into my room last night and asked me if I could factorise something for him.
I had to get my friend from second year Biomed to do it over msn because I didn't understand what to do. And I still don't understand how she got the answer.
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Join the TAP for Calc 1. Don't worry my brother is in year 10 and he came into my room last night and asked me if I could factorise something for him.
I had to get my friend from second year Biomed to do it over msn because I didn't understand what to do. And I still don't understand how she got the answer.
What's TAP?
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Transition Assistance Program i think
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I've got my first practical (I'm guessing it's more of a tute?) at 10am this monday - first class for the year ARGHHHH :-\.. Should I do anything beforehand? Does anyone know if I need to bring anything? Apart from a pen.
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If it's the microscopy one, you turn up and be incredibly bored for 3 hours.
Otherwise, what you need to bring is the same as every prac - lab coat/goggles/pen/prac notes from the bookshop/any other stuff they list
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I thought that maths pracs are usually computer based.
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They are, but calc1 doesn't have any, so he's asking about either Chem or bio
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he's talking about calculus, derived from his confusion of whether it's a "prac" or "tute".
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he's talking about calculus, derived from his confusion of whether it's a "prac" or "tute".
Was that pun unintentional? lol
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yeah guys sorry I was talking about calc 1..
I'm guessing it is a tute then? It says it's a prac on my timetable :S Guessing that's either a typo or they're disguising a tute as a prac! So yeah, do I need to bring anything specific to it? I missed the introductory calc 1 lecture during o week so I'm pretty clueless with what's going on atm.. Doesn't help that calc 1 isn't on the LMS yet either!
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All Calculus 1 tutorials aren't computer based. The first tute will consist of revision from Methods, so you don't need any Calculus 1 knowledge. If your tute room has multiple whiteboards, then you won't even need a pen because your tutor will get you to work in groups and do the questions on the whiteboard.
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he's talking about calculus, derived from his confusion of whether it's a "prac" or "tute".
Was that pun unintentional? lol
Lol didn't even realise ???
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When I started Uni last year I thought I would never do Maths again in my life, and forgot everything related to Methods. For some strange reason I'm now going to complete a major in B.Sci that requires up to linear algebra. I just looked at the Methods 2009 exam and realised I can't do 99% of the questions, and even at my peak I could only understand half. My friend asked me how do you differentiate y = x and I had no idea. I'm also starting Calculus 1 next week.
Am I screweeeed?
If you can't differentiate y=x then you are in trouble haha maybe relearn the calculus from methods, look through your year 12 textbook if you still have that, just remember to consolidate fundamentals. you'll see that linear algebra doesn't require much calculus so its all good and doesnt rely on much year 12 knowledge either, i know that uom uses the same textbook as monash for linear alg so it should be alright
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When I started Uni last year I thought I would never do Maths again in my life, and forgot everything related to Methods. For some strange reason I'm now going to complete a major in B.Sci that requires up to linear algebra. I just looked at the Methods 2009 exam and realised I can't do 99% of the questions, and even at my peak I could only understand half. My friend asked me how do you differentiate y = x and I had no idea. I'm also starting Calculus 1 next week.
Am I screweeeed?
If you can't differentiate y=x then you are in trouble haha maybe relearn the calculus from methods, look through your year 12 textbook if you still have that, just remember to consolidate fundamentals. you'll see that linear algebra doesn't require much calculus so its all good and doesnt rely on much year 12 knowledge either, i know that uom uses the same textbook as monash for linear alg so it should be alright
Really? Same textbook. But linear algebra is "weird" maths. "Strange" maths that screws with your mind if you've had no previous exposure to it.
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yeah same textbook, both use the book by anton R. pretty good book.