ATAR Notes: Forum
Uni Stuff => Faculties => Law => Topic started by: Julianne on March 03, 2011, 06:10:40 pm
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Currently, I have my heart set on becoming a solicitor, however, I am unsure about which uni I will be able to get into. The only universities I have considered are Melbourne or Monash as I like the prestige they carry with them. However, I know I will not be getting a 97+ enter score so I'm just wondering if anyone has any recommendations at other options or universities that are looked upon favorably that I could possibly attend. I have considered the Melbourne model and don't believe in wasting my time with arts when I'm not guaranteed a spot in law at the end of it. I am also considering arts at Monash however that would result in an 8 year course and its daunting, the idea of getting a full time job at 26 haha. I would love it if you could offer some words of wisdom to help me with my dilemma.
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You seem to have answered your own question. You want to do law, but you're not willing to go to a uni that's not sandstone. Of the two Victorian options, you'll only consider Monash but you don't think the required score is realistic.
If you want to study law, you'll have to compromise one/some of those decisions. Doing law at Deakin or VU will be significantly easier to get into, but you'll probably face some sort of barrier based on prestige, since that's fairly well entrenched in the legal community as far as I can tell. If you want to avoid that risk and stick with Monash/Melbourne, you'll have to contemplate doing post graduate law and risking not getting in. Plenty of students graduate from the JD (or equivalent) every year, so it's not like it's a lesser options
You can also go interstate, but I don't think the clearly in score at a comparable university is going to be significantly lower than at Monash.
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ANU - 96?
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The Monash option won't necessarily mean an 8 year course. You can always get an internal transfer if you do well. I met someone today that was doing 2nd year Arts degree and had just started 1st year Law.
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ANU - 96?
Yup, ANU has plenty prestige (as far as I know), but 96 is the minimum you need, I think. Getting a 96 won't guarantee you get in.
Are there any double degrees that lower the entry requirements? (Com/Law at Monash is 98.25 as opposed to 98.55 in just Law). I know it doesn't make that much of a different, but it may be what you need?
Also, Burberry - since when did you become just "burbs"?!
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I think a 96 would be clearly in at ANU, not certain. But all double law degrees are 96, like comm/law and arts/law.
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Apply for a scholarship at Bond University. Get involved in some of their competitions, show interest in the university. That place is the place for studying Law.
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Apply for a scholarship at Bond University. Get involved in some of their competitions, show interest in the university. That place is the place for studying Law.
My school entered a team in the "High School Mooting Competition" run by Bond University; I'm in the team. This.
The best team and best advocates are offered 40% scholarships to undertake a Bachelor of Laws degree at Bond, subject to the student meeting the University’s entry requirements.
Also, someone last year at my school got into Arts/Law at ANU with an ATAR score of 96.5.
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Another vote for ANU - it's up there with Melbourne/Monash in the G8 and due to the unpopularity of Canberra has a lower cut-off.
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Apply for a scholarship at Bond University. Get involved in some of their competitions, show interest in the university. That place is the place for studying Law.
My school entered a team in the "High School Mooting Competition" run by Bond University; I'm in the team. This.
I participated the last two years and made it to Nationals last year. I would have applied but I wanted to do Engineering. My friend who applied got in though, simply because we studied legal studies and made it to Nationals in the Moot. Good luck! Well worth the experience.
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ANU, you can get in with a 96. Hence, that's why I considered it, though I decided not to attend for now because I felt I wasn't ready to go interstate. I just turned 18 and yeah, I am still a baby.
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Apply for a scholarship at Bond University. Get involved in some of their competitions, show interest in the university. That place is the place for studying Law.
My school entered a team in the "High School Mooting Competition" run by Bond University; I'm in the team. This.
:O My school sent me an email today asking me if I wanted to be in a team and I said I'd like to... that means that if I end up getting in my school's team we might be against each other! D:
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:O My school sent me an email today asking me if I wanted to be in a team and I said I'd like to... that means that if I end up getting in my school's team we might be against each other! D:
Cool! Hopefully you get into your school's team. =] It would be awesome to compete against another VN-er. I'm not speaking though; I chose to play the role of solicitor. The two other members of my team are speaking - senior and junior counsel. The chances of us meeting are quite high I reckon; there aren't many schools in Victoria doing this competition from what I was told.
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I was going to do mooting for a friends team who were short but apparently I actually have to be a law student :(
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What's the ATAR requirement for Law, Arts/Law or Comm/Law at Bond Uni?
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What's the ATAR requirement for Law, Arts/Law or Comm/Law at Bond Uni?
Doesn't say - this? It's not really clear. Though, I dare say it's less than Monash University's requirements. You could probably get into Bond University with a lower ATAR score than you would at Monash as long as you can pay. =\
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You apply to Bond before you receive your results and it's based on extra-curricular and grades. For example, I was offered law a couple of days before the English exam and only had to satisfactorily pass VCE to accept my offer.
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I know this is out of context, but
JD + Under Grad is 7 years and Monash Double is 5 years right? o.O
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At Monash University... you can do Commerce/Law, Science/Law, Arts/Law etc - any double degree at Monash University with Law is 5 years. At UoM, I think it takes 6 years... 3 years undergraduate (undergraduate degrees at UoM are all 3 years now), in addition to 3 years JD. Correct me if I'm wrong... I'm not too sure though. Here's more information about JD at UoM.
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At Monash University... you can do Commerce/Law, Science/Law, Arts/Law etc - any double degree at Monash University with Law is 5 years. At UoM, I think it takes 6 years... 3 years undergraduate (undergraduate degrees at UoM are all 3 years now), in addition to 3 years JD. Correct me if I'm wrong... I'm not too sure though. Here's more information about JD at UoM.
5 years if you're willing to overload for a year, 5.5 if you're not, and 6 years for engineering/law
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ANU has tons of prestige (many say its the best law uni in the country) and not a particularly high atar required. On the downside, you'd be living in Canberra...
TBH I don't think an Melbourne based employer will distinguish between the two as much. Correct me if I'm wrong Ninwa.
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Between ANU and UoM/Monash? Probably not
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Hmm if you want to do international law, ANU would be pretty amazing. You can do internships at the White House as a subject for IR (if I'm correct), and there are also exchanges and programs in places like Geneva.
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So ANU law cut-off is 96 or is that the minimum ATAR required? 96 seems too good to be true.
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So ANU law cut-off is 96 or is that the minimum ATAR required? 96 seems too good to be true.
Well, its isolated from metropolitan life, thats the trade off?
PS: Lol Chris, thats something, I for one can't do. Good on you :smitten:
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So ANU law cut-off is 96 or is that the minimum ATAR required? 96 seems too good to be true.
Well, its isolated from metropolitan life, thats the trade off?
I'll take it. Especially if I can talk my way into some sort of study abroad arrangement for a year or something. And I reckon I could put up with Canberra for 9 months a year... This is starting to look more and more like a number 1 preference.
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Canberra's very underrated. A big advantage people forget is everything is in walking distance - even nightclubs.
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What about your friends/family and expenses >;?
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Canberra's very underrated. A big advantage people forget is everything is in walking distance - even nightclubs.
LOL. Just LOL. (Actually, one of the guys in my lab works at Moose and was talking about it today, but that's another story...)
I live at a college with a lot of law students, and although I don't feel qualified to comment about what it's like to be involved in tutes and lectures, it seems as though the course is very rigorous. And, as I said before, there are a heap of international opportunities for ANU law. In addition, a lot of the people here doing law don't want to be lawyers - a lot want to go into politics, and there's probably more political opportunities here than anywhere else in Australia.
On the topic of living in Canberra, I'm going to say that it's not that bad. I'm not going to lie - I do miss Melbourne quite a bit at times, but that's more because I miss seeing my friends and my family. If you move out of home to almost anywhere in the world, you're probably going to feel that way. If you study on campus (anywhere, I presume), you'll make a lot of friends, and life will be so much more social than at home. ANU's generous with scholarships - you "only" need 99.50+ for $6,500 per year, and if you get 99.90+ you get $12,500 per year, provided that you maintain a HD average in non law subjects or 75 average in law. Part time work is easy to come by here, and it pays quite well - you could make in excess of 100 bucks per week if you studied law.
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Canberra... nightclubs.
nightclubs = a bunch of guys standing around listening to an ipod on shuffle, right?
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Not quite actually :P Although I'm not the best person to talk about the nightclubs...
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Canberra... nightclubs.
nightclubs = a bunch of guys standing around listening to an ipod on shuffle, right?
I haven't clubbed in Melbourne before, but Melburnians here haven't been complaining about the clubs as far as I know.
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Part time work is easy to come by here, and it pays quite well - you could make in excess of 100 bucks per week if you studied law.
I don't know if you mean good for a law student or good because you're a law student but I make more than that and my degree isn't that prestigious.
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Oh, it's not because you're a law student per se - it's just that law has very few contact hours, so it'd be very easy to pick up work during the week (so finding a job shouldn't be a hassle at all). On the other hand, science students here (and probably at most universities) have hectic schedules, so it's hard to find a job on weekdays, which limits employment prospects.
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Are you going to do a postgraduate after your Law degree?
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Appianway doesn't do Law.
I do, and I'd say most don't do postgraduate. Law in a combined degree (almost everyone does it combined) takes five years. Anything on top of that could mean you're at uni for almost a decade. I might do honours for French because I *think* (having done 0 research at all) it only takes a year extra.