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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Monash University => Topic started by: ange on June 16, 2008, 06:04:15 pm
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Are there currently any monash students who are doin law at monash?
if so can u please explain to me what is expected of us, what prior knowledge we must have and what a reasonable enter score would be?
also what sort of law double degree courses r unique and what subjects must u undertake in order to do law there?
i went to the seminar but it left me with even more questions which uinfortunately were not answered :(
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Look on VTAC and also Monash university websites..
The ENTER and prerequisites will be found on bot websites.
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cheers
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i think ninwa is
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prior knowledge we must have and what a reasonable enter score would be?
prior knowledge: none required.
reasonable ENTER: 99.4 and above
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i think ninwa is
I thought you were aswell???
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Brendan is at UoM, Ninwa is at Monash
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what is expected of us, what prior knowledge we must have and what a reasonable enter score would be?
I'm not sure what you mean ..... ?
We're expected to do shitloads of reading lol and to turn up to lectures prepared (but nobody does it) and uhh yea please explain exactly what you mean lol
No prior knowledge needed though in first yr there is a subject in semester 1 called "intro to legal reasoning" and apparently some of the stuff we learnt there were taught in legal studies. But don't go dropping subjects and taking up legal because we weren't actually examined on that stuff lol
ENTER I think is 99 for straight law and 99.4 for most double degrees
also what sort of law double degree courses r unique and what subjects must u undertake in order to do law there?
These are all the double degrees with law available:
Bachelor of Aerospace Engineering / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Arts / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Biomedical Science / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Business (Banking and Finance) / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Commerce / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Engineering / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Music / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Performing Arts / Bachelor of Laws
Bachelor of Science / Bachelor of Laws
Med/Law is pretty unique :P there's only about 5 ppl doing it this year
http://www.monash.edu.au/pubs/handbooks/courses/2708.html
^ is the course plan for a law degree
So there's subjects which are compulsory, and then there's "quasi-compulsory" subjects which you must do if you wish to practice as a lawyer, and then there are elective subjects.
The number of law subjects you do in a year also depends on what your other degree is. For me, arts/law, and for commerce/law, there's 2 arts subjects and 2 law subjects this year. For med/law, they don't start law subjects til 2nd year. For engineering/law they only have the 1 law subject for 1st year
... those are the only double degree combos I know about
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Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery / Bachelor of Laws
Just a note that you must be actually be accepted into Med/Surg, applying for the law component at the end of your first year of the med course.
It is also academic suicide :P
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that must be the most demanding and intense course i have heard about
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It's fairly intense
You would simply not have a social life, haha
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Would any one person actually utilise all those degrees at one time?
Eg.
10am Brain Surgery
2pm Doing the rounds at the hospital
6pm Meeting with corporate clients seeking legal advice
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Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery / Bachelor of Laws
Just a note that you must be actually be accepted into Med/Surg, applying for the law component at the end of your first year of the med course.
It is also academic suicide :P
I think it would only ever be useful to do get taste of both fields, and then decide on one profession and stick with it as soon as possible. You can't be both a doctor and a practicing lawyer at the same time.
You will be better at one of the fields and when you know which one that is, you ought to specialize in that field.
All individuals are different, but once you know that you will go into a certain profession, then it no longer, in my view, makes any sense to spend an extra 3/4 years and $$$ to undertake another degree.
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I think it would only ever be useful to do get taste of both fields, and then decide on one profession and stick with it as soon as possible. You can't be both a doctor and a practicing lawyer at the same time.
You will be better at one of the fields and when you know which one that is, you ought to specialize in that field.
All individuals are different, but once you know that you will go into a certain profession, then it no longer, in my view, makes any sense to spend an extra 3/4 years and $$$ to undertake another degree.
I met a med/law guy at the law students introduction night.
He told me that he started med, found the work far too easy and relaxed, and therefore decided to take up law "for fun".
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haha, wait unti he does his med VIA's in years 2 and 4
Where all previous semesters of content are examinable
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Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery / Bachelor of Laws
Medical Negligence is a growing area...
If you don't get in at VCE level, don't panic. Apply for an Arts / Comm degree at Monash and work to do really well in it. It takes a 75% average across the year to be very competitive for lateral entry.
I received a 93.75 ENTER and would have easily gained a place in Law had I wanted to (86% average - I would've liked to, but other constraints in my current course prevent me from doing so).
Just a note that you must be actually be accepted into Med/Surg, applying for the law component at the end of your first year of the med course.
It is also academic suicide :P
I think it would only ever be useful to do get taste of both fields, and then decide on one profession and stick with it as soon as possible. You can't be both a doctor and a practicing lawyer at the same time.
You will be better at one of the fields and when you know which one that is, you ought to specialize in that field.
All individuals are different, but once you know that you will go into a certain profession, then it no longer, in my view, makes any sense to spend an extra 3/4 years and $$$ to undertake another degree.
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how many years is the accelerated program in bachelor of law?
and in bachelor of law/science??
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Because I won't get 99 (I don't even think I will get 90 :() I am thinking of doing Law at Vic Uni, and then transferring after 1 year to Monash. Will they allow me to do that, even though I originally came from Vic Uni (not too prestigious in my opinion)?
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Because I won't get 99 (I don't even think I will get 90 :() I am thinking of doing Law at Vic Uni, and then transferring after 1 year to Monash. Will they allow me to do that, even though I originally came from Vic Uni (not too prestigious in my opinion)?
Absolutely :) I have a friend who did that actually! (we bag her about her VU past :P)
how many years is the accelerated program in bachelor of law?
and in bachelor of law/science??
What's this accelerated program? Never heard of it ...
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Because I won't get 99 (I don't even think I will get 90 :() I am thinking of doing Law at Vic Uni, and then transferring after 1 year to Monash. Will they allow me to do that, even though I originally came from Vic Uni (not too prestigious in my opinion)?
Absolutely :) I have a friend who did that actually! (we bag her about her VU past :P)
How difficult is that?
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well how many years is ur law/arts degree?
the accelerated is just doing the course in a shorter time span.
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bubble, I'm not sure how hard it was, I think she had to get distinctions or something, I never really asked :P but I do know that first year law at VU didn't count as first year law at Monash - i.e. she did one year of law at VU and then came to Monash and did first year law again.
lacoste, arts/law is "5.3 years", no idea what the 0.3 is but yeah. I've never heard of any "accelerated program", however there are ways of finishing your degree earlier by overloading on units, or doing summer semesters, etc.
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Bachelor of Medicine / Bachelor of Surgery / Bachelor of Laws = Major OVERKILL.
:buck2: :buck2: :idiot2:
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For straight LLB, requirements last year were:
SS of 30 in English (any)
99.30(CSP); 94.50(Fee).
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Some 2008 clearly-in ENTERS for Monash law double degrees:
Aerospace Engineering/Law = 99.05
Commerce/Law = 99.05
Engineering/Law = 99.15
Science/Law = 99.2
There is so much irony in the fact that the enters 4 the double degrees r lower than the 1 4 straight law.
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That's because there's a misconception about ENTER cut-offs
The are determined by competition for entry, they are not arbitrary
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I wonder why there's more competition for straight law though ... I would've thought that more people would wanna do a double degree
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Can someone explain to me how you can go from VU (Law enter 87) to Monash (law enter 99...)
Wouldn't everyone try and do that if they missed out, and how do they choose you to do that?
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yeh, I've heard, not at all sure that "pathways" is much easier, ie: doing Arts at Monash then transferring to law
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Can someone explain to me how you can go from VU (Law enter 87) to Monash (law enter 99...)
Wouldn't everyone try and do that if they missed out, and how do they choose you to do that?
that really depends on Monash's policy. contact Monash [and specifically the law school if you can] and they might be able to give you some answers.
but regardless, you'll want a very nice looking academic transcript =]
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IMO, Internal transfers @ Monash r easier than starting somewhere else and transferring 2 Monash.
If u're trying 2 transfer 2 Monash, u need a very prettiful transcript.
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Yeah, I know heaps of people who transferred to law from arts, commerce, even performing arts (?!), but only one who managed to come from VU
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So basically, if we get into any course at Monash (even the ones which require a minimal ENTER score), and complete one year, then we can just transfer into straight law?
If this is the case, all of my problems are solved! :))
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Its highly competitive from what I hear...
Also, can courses be transferred after a semester or do some courses require a full year of study to be completed before applying for transfer? My bro applied for Eng from Sci, but I'm not sure if it differs for other courses/faculties.
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I'm pretty sure for law it's a full year. Not sure about Eng tho costa.
xox.happy1.xox, it's not that easy, I think you need a distinction or high distinction average in your course. I really have no idea how the performing arts person got into law, but generally the transfers have been from arts or commerce
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You'll need a HD average to be competitive.
In retrospect, I could've done it (86% average) if I had wanted to - and I only got 93 for an ENTER.
In other words, if you're keen and willing to put in the hard yards in your first year of your degree, you may very well get into law via a lateral transfer.
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is there a reason why some people say law isn't that good and stuff...or is it just down to personal opinion?
looking at doing law/arts...anyone doing that? would like to know how it is, thanks :)
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I'm doing arts/law at Monash :) and having a lot of fun with it! Arts is the coolest degree EVER :P
That said, law is one of those subjects where unless you really have an interest in it, it'll be hell to study ... be prepared for lots and lots of reading!
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You'll need a HD average to be competitive.
In retrospect, I could've done it (86% average) if I had wanted to - and I only got 93 for an ENTER.
In other words, if you're keen and willing to put in the hard yards in your first year of your degree, you may very well get into law via a lateral transfer.
i went to the open day today and they said they accepted people with a 70 average although a couple said a 80 average would 'easily' get you in and the cut offs around 75ish...
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I'm doing arts/law at Monash :) and having a lot of fun with it! Arts is the coolest degree EVER :P
That said, law is one of those subjects where unless you really have an interest in it, it'll be hell to study ... be prepared for lots and lots of reading!
lol, reading isn't really work for me, so i guess that should be alright. byy coolest, what do you mean exactly? :p like, what's good about it haha.
ah, i should've gone to monash's open day -_-
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it's cool because of the huge range of subjects you can do ... from languages to psychology to philosophy to sociology to linguistics to literature to journalism to politics to international law etc etc
I'm biased, but I reckon arts subjects are some of the most interesting and rewarding ones that you can study ... though I do admit many of them are useless once you graduate into the real world ... but that's what the law side of my degree is for ;)
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it's cool because of the huge range of subjects you can do ... from languages to psychology to philosophy to sociology to linguistics to literature to journalism to politics to international law etc etc
I'm biased, but I reckon arts subjects are some of the most interesting and rewarding ones that you can study ... though I do admit many of them are useless once you graduate into the real world ... but that's what the law side of my degree is for ;)
that sounds pretty good, really interested in journalism so good to know i can do that. excepptt, having a look now, its not available at clayton? that sucks lol.
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it's cool because of the huge range of subjects you can do ... from languages to psychology to philosophy to sociology to linguistics to literature to journalism to politics to international law etc etc
I'm biased, but I reckon arts subjects are some of the most interesting and rewarding ones that you can study ... though I do admit many of them are useless once you graduate into the real world ... but that's what the law side of my degree is for ;)
that sounds pretty good, really interested in journalism so good to know i can do that. excepptt, having a look now, its not available at clayton? that sucks lol.
yeah it's only offered at caulfield. my friend has to take the shuttle bus to get to her journalism classes