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VCE Stuff => VCE Business Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Business Management => Topic started by: jsimmo on June 18, 2008, 04:50:03 pm
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Is the induction process part of the establishing or maintenance phase of the employment cycle?? My text book says it is part of the maintenance phase, however, I have other books that say it is in the establishing phase???
(My initial response would be that it is part of the maintenance stage, however it does make sense that it could also be in establishing) :-\
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What the hell are you talking about? What part of the course is this from? Are you ahead deeper into Unit 4 than I am?
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What the hell are you talking about? What part of the course is this from? Are you ahead deeper into Unit 4 than I am?
It's in the 'Human Resource Management' chapter. If you are using the VCTA text book it is chapter 4.3 - The employment cycle: Establishment. The text book is extremely vague on this area (it doesn't really cover the steps in the establishment phase), so, I am using my A+ Publishing and Leading Edge study guides to help me with it.
The steps in the establishment phase are; job analysis, job description and job specification, recruitment procedures, selection processes, employment arranges ..AND i am not sure if induction is included (my original question)
EDIT: (If you are using the VCTA text book) look on page 211 at the employment cycle diagram - the steps are stated around the the central stages (establishing, maintaining, terminating)
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Ok. Yeh we're up to 4.2 so thats why I was like wtf lol.
HR seems easy
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Yeah, it is very easy to understand the key concepts. Industrial relations seems like it will be the most difficult topic in this chapter.
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With the abolition of WorkChoices, is it still necessary to know that area of the course? I've been meaning to ask my teacher that for a while
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With induction, there is really no right or wrong answer. My text book last year contended that it was part of the maintenance phase, while other books stated that it was part of the establishment stage.
I would probably opt to believe that it is part of the establishment phase.
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With the abolition of WorkChoices, is it still necessary to know that area of the course? I've been meaning to ask my teacher that for a while
Yeah, I was just talking about that with a mate and I would assume you would still need to understand or have some knowledge of it. In The Leading Edge Book it has a timeline of the important events regarding employee relations, so I guess it would fit in with that timeline and be used as a reference when describing the history and development of the laws
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With the abolition of WorkChoices, is it still necessary to know that area of the course? I've been meaning to ask my teacher that for a while
Yes, it would be necessary because you are supposed to be acquainted with all changes that have occurred to the industrial relations since the 1990's.
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Is the induction process part of the establishing or maintenance phase of the employment cycle?? My text book says it is part of the maintenance phase, however, I have other books that say it is in the establishing phase???
lol i was worrying about the same thing last year, my textbook said one thing, while another textbook said the oppposite. When there is conflict between textbooks, you can safely assume that examiners will accept both.
However, I would say that it is part of the establishing phase.
The definition of an induction is a form of training conducted at the BEGINNING of an employment relationship, to familiarise the NEW employee with all aspects of their job, the details of the organisation and an outline of the policy and procedures. To me, it makes more sense for induction to be a part of the establishing phase, as the organisation establishes/integrates the employee into the business for the first time.
To me, the maintaining phase is concerned with employees that are already established into the business or fully integrated, and the maintaining phase (as the name suggests) is to provide incentives to motivate current established employees.
With the abolition of WorkChoices, is it still necessary to know that area of the course? I've been meaning to ask my teacher that for a while
Yeah, I was just talking about that with a mate and I would assume you would still need to understand or have some knowledge of it. In The Leading Edge Book it has a timeline of the important events regarding employee relations, so I guess it would fit in with that timeline and be used as a reference when describing the history and development of the laws
good question, although the WorkChoices legislation has been abolished, it is still important to understand the timeline that jsimmo was talking about. the focus points you need to remember are the changes from a centralised system to a more decentralised system and i don't think you need to get too caught up into the details such as 'safety nets' and all that. this is my just my opinion, but i think because there has been so many changes to the legislation and all the textbooks haven't changed yet, it is likely that they won't ask any specific questions about the legislation itself. as long as you understand the major shifts and when the occured and all about AWAs, Collective Agreements and Awards etc etc.
sorry about the long windedness guys!
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Thanks Elaine for clarifying all of that!!!
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Thanks Elaine for clarifying all of that!!!
no problem, i'm glad i could help. man all this stuff brings back memories haha
and JSIMMO YOUR LITTLE ANT!!! lol
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Thanks Elaine for clarifying all of that!!!
no problem, i'm glad i could help. man all this stuff brings back memories haha
and JSIMMO YOUR LITTLE ANT!!! lol
hahaha! hopefully good memories?
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Thanks Elaine for clarifying all of that!!!
no problem, i'm glad i could help. man all this stuff brings back memories haha
and JSIMMO YOUR LITTLE ANT!!! lol
hahaha! hopefully good memories?
ahh just makes me reminicise about the times in bus man class where i would thank god that i would never have to think about decentralised, centralised systems, AWAs and all that crap ever again lol.
haha but alas!
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ELAINE... summarise the most important points of Unit 3 in 1 minute startin from now.
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go!!!
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ELAINE... summarise the most important points of Unit 3 in 1 minute startin from now.
Dot points
go!!!
HAHA costa do you want my brain to explode from that much activity? or even from activity for that matter.
btw does anyone feel like they seriously can't be stuffed with studying and all that crap atm, with exams finished and the holidays coming up? to me, the holidays have already started :P
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ELAINE... summarise the most important points of Unit 3 in 1 minute startin from now.
Dot points
go!!!
HAHA costa do you want my brain to explode from that much activity? or even from activity for that matter.
btw does anyone feel like they seriously can't be stuffed with studying and all that crap atm, with exams finished and the holidays coming up? to me, the holidays have already started :P
yeah i have that feeling now :) maaajor bludge time
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ELAINE... summarise the most important points of Unit 3 in 1 minute startin from now.
Dot points
go!!!
AHAHA yes....so lazy atm!!!
HAHA costa do you want my brain to explode from that much activity? or even from activity for that matter.
btw does anyone feel like they seriously can't be stuffed with studying and all that crap atm, with exams finished and the holidays coming up? to me, the holidays have already started :P
AHAHA yes....so lazy atm!!!
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DEF agreed!!!
i havent done work all week. the most work iv done is highlightin my text books and rehearsin my lines and songs and shit :)
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Did anyone get the latest 'newsletter' from TSFX??? If you did you would know that this exact time of the year is when the majority of students slack off because of the end of exams and the 2 weeks till holidays.. they say that you should continually study over the next 2-4 weeks to get ahead of everyone else - so don't slack off!!! haha
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god I'd burn out if i studied continually for that time.
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I'll take my social and psychological wellbeing over my ENTER thanks :P
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I'll take my social and psychological wellbeing over my ENTER thanks :P
lol! I'm sure you are able to balance the two? It wasn't saying that you should do HOURS of homework - but merely just staying ahead of class ect
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DEF agreed!!!
i havent done work all week. the most work iv done is highlightin my text books and rehearsin my lines and songs and shit :)
I wouldn't worry too much about it people. After mid years I basically did nothing for two weeks and it didn't impact on me too negatively. You seriously need to take a break occasionally.
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Besides, the break could help springboard u with motivation for Unit 4.
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The September holidays are pretty full on though. No relaxing allowed in those holidays!
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Did anyone get the latest 'newsletter' from TSFX??? If you did you would know that this exact time of the year is when the majority of students slack off because of the end of exams and the 2 weeks till holidays.. they say that you should continually study over the next 2-4 weeks to get ahead of everyone else - so don't slack off!!! haha
lol that's what prompted me to ask you guys if you were studying heaps or not
coz they said we should utilize the next 6 weeks of 'downtime' to maximise our enters and get ahead.
lol whatever.
Besides, the break could help springboard u with motivation for Unit 4.
hehe that's my justification