ATAR Notes: Forum
Administration => Site Discussion => General Site Discussion => Topic started by: gerald_mcdonald on April 08, 2011, 01:45:35 pm
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When are people expecting an influx of users to arrive?
It seems as though virtually everyone who is using AN is a VNe'r?
do the administrators/mods got any ideas?
...just curious?
when do we expect them to be beaming with activity?
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it would take a bit of time, AN is still new. I'm sure when VN was first setup it took time for it to grow. But other than that, I don't really know =p
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it would take a bit of time, AN is still new. I'm sure when VN was first setup it took time for it to grow. But other than that, I don't really know =p
how long did has VN been here? do you know?
do you think it will take a long time for AN overall to receive new members for the non VCE sections?
could it be empty like this for more years to come?
is everyone optimistic or pessimistic about this?
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I personally think that if we leave it alone there is no way that it will expand, but there are some things which I reckon can draw users in.
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I personally think that if we leave it alone there is no way that it will expand, but there are some things which I reckon can draw users in.
Elaborate on these 'some things' o wise one? :P
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I personally think that if we leave it alone there is no way that it will expand, but there are some things which I reckon can draw users in.
Elaborate on these 'some things' o wise one? :P
Yes, I'm interested too!
What have you planned?
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I believe that AN will take a while to grow.
It will also need growth by people talking about it which may take a while since most members here are from Victoria.
It may take months or it may take a year or two.
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Could have got something here to kick things off against BoS
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how long did has VN been here? do you know?
do you think it will take a long time for AN overall to receive new members for the non VCE sections?
could it be empty like this for more years to come?
is everyone optimistic or pessimistic about this?
Not too sure, I think this is it's fifth year. I'm sure everyone's optimistic.
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I posted a thread in suggestions called "Streamlining ATARNotes" , such that the boards weren't divided, categories were more broad, and students would be able to discuss aspects of their own courses which are similar to those in other states.
There is not that much reason why a VCE Maths Methods student cant answer some SACE Maths Methods questions, or a student studying Maths at a University isn't able to help students in other states in any applicable Maths Subject.
A lot of texts for English between states are similar, and some subjects eg. "VET", LOTE etc. are EXACTLY the same in different states.
So questions to do with Chemistry from any state would go in a communal Chemistry board, and question specifically to do with VCE Chemistry (eg. Exam papers) would go in it's on sub-board.
Some people say we should take it slow, but I don't think that will realistically work, this straight away makes it such that there is a community READY for students from other states. At the moment we seem to be sitting down and hoping that some day 4 students from another state see this website, and start telling all their mates.
The website as a whole would have greater pulling power, and if successful would allow for notes between different states to be exchanged, and in all in all would just allow for a better experience.
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i rkn it is just word of mouth... i mean if we made an effort to spread the word that AN is a national forum not just melbourne (coz it started as just VCE) but ye all these things take time, i dont think VN go to the point it is today that quickly, from memory i think it was around a year when things really got going.
A way too speed things up could be just doing a tour type of thing (havings like seminars at cetain schools)... send emails to every school in the nation. Send an email to education departments in each state sayin that there is a new resource helping students. Get something in the paper if u haev connections like....a news article or sumthing coz this really will help the nations school kids. I also think once things get up and going... u cud always have like state moderators or sumthing .
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The thing is that people in other states need to have the initiative to start something, because at the moment (as of this point of time right now) there appears to be close to nothing which we can offer them academically, because they will generally be oblivious to the bustling activity going on in the VN portion of the forum.
Sending out info to schools in my opinion is rather wishful thinking, the school itself doesn't have much reason to spread the word. They DO have that incentive with VN (it was advertised by some staff at my previous school) as it already has a bunch of stuff to help students academically, asking schools to advertise to kids that there is an empty forum and they have to do a LOT of work/spreading to get something out of it is far too great of an ask...
Yes, it can happen, but whilst in their final years of schooling it would be a hard task to find a group of kids with enough initiative to try make something of their state forum out of nothing.
We DO get some kids from other states signing up, but at the moment they have not got much reason to stay.
That said, I think moving OGD to the national forum, and UMAT etc to the national board is very much a positive step :)
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Just wait for BoS to crash again...
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Just wait for BoS to crash again...
;D
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I definitely agree with taiga, in that the website needs to be more streamlined. It's pretty confusing at the moment.
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Have you guys had a look at vbulletin? (yes I am aware of the associated costs)
It is however one of the best demonstrations of how a forum layout should be. Clean, customizable and easy to navigate. (Something I feel this site should improve on.)
Membership issue...
Advertise EVERYWHERE. So many people at my school had no idea that this site even existed!
They are now seeing improvement in their marks and are finding that they can deal with the stress better.
This site is incredible, don't get me wrong, However it does need to improve in area's if we are to see an increase not only in membership numbers, but returning and contributing members as well.
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Advertise EVERYWHERE. So many people at my school had no idea that this site even existed!
That's because people are innately selfish and they realise the value of this site and hence don't spread it (basic psych).
An influx of members will cause the practice exams currently available to lose its value if everyone has access.
An example:
can you guys change it to next year?
More atar notes users = more people accessing resources(exams) = more competitive vce
+1 Not really the spirit of AN, but still .... :)
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Advertise EVERYWHERE. So many people at my school had no idea that this site even existed!
That's because people are innately selfish and they realise the value of this site and hence don't spread it.
An influx of members will cause the practice exams currently available to lose its value if everyone has access.
An example:
can you guys change it to next year?
More atar notes users = more people accessing resources(exams) = more competitive vce
+1 Not really the spirit of AN, but still .... :)
Losers
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It is sad, is it not? Selfish people like this are awful! :0
But the point of the site is to help people. Not just the ones that are lucky enough to ponder on to the site.
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It is sad, is it not? Selfish people like this are awful! :0
But the point of the site is to help people. Not just the ones that are lucky enough to ponder on to the site.
Or, after you complete VCE, you can spread it around. Killing two birds with one stone.
a)You have a competitive edge with ATARNotes.
b) You Can Advertise it, after you "pwn" Or " got owned" by VCE :).
Muahahahah! Though, I"m not an endorser of this idea, cause I like to encourage my friends to go on to this website. To no avail ):
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I get this to I told about 30 people about the site and only about 4-5 people came back to tell me how much the love the site.
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The majority of my selfish selective school mates joined up but only took praccy exams etc hahah, the only two that I think went on to post/contribute were Burbs and Teewreck.
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The majority of my selfish selective school mates joined up but only took praccy exams etc hahah, the only two that I think went on to post/contribute were Burbs and Teewreck.
Do I not exist? :( :'(
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hrmm that is true... however, the problem i think is just that we do not have a dedicated posters/helpers/staff in the other state forums... i mean VN had BoS ditchers who already were helpful and stuff plus ... not saying we arent familiar but like... the structure of other states is kinda different and i think that the communal feeling that we are in this together isnt there for the other forums whereas it is in here.. I mean like u dont see us posting in BoS NSW forum like subject wise... medstudentsonline do quite well coz they all have common goals/are in similar situations as in its quite universal(UMAT/GAMSAT)..
If u think about it the creator of VN (great enwiabe) did vce so he had knowledge on how to help us and stuff when it first started.... plus he had like a handful of helpful vce students posters from the BoS revolt =P and we spread the word to other students since we were all in melbourne.
All im saying is...when AN was launch... it didnt have a starting sample of staff/members their to spraed the word or help the forum for other states. I rkn we shud do what taiga said since he is on the right track about streamlining...however ill add by saying that it shud only be for particular subjects ... like languages or other subjects which do not have such a big input in the forum we alraedy have to test things out. Just start by basic transitions. We could also have a national.. maths forum, english forum, business forum etc... for general enquriies to start things off.and once there is enough of a market you can split it...
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The majority of my selfish selective school mates joined up but only took praccy exams etc hahah, the only two that I think went on to post/contribute were Burbs and Teewreck.
Do I not exist? :( :'(
He didn't refer you?
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The majority of my selfish selective school mates joined up but only took praccy exams etc hahah, the only two that I think went on to post/contribute were Burbs and Teewreck.
Do I not exist? :( :'(
He didn't refer you?
Oh I get it. Ah yeah haha I found VN through other means -.-
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I think the problem is you need an initial community already in place to get the ball rolling. Individuals aren't going to join the site unless there is a pre-existing community. I like Taiga's idea the best. It would be a good way to build up a community form other states, then once the numbers are high enough we can think about subdividing the forums into each state.
At the moment, unless you can organise a bunch of people to simultaneous join and use the other boards, nothing is going to happen...
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Yeah at the moment people from other states aren't going to stay; the forums are empty, there are no notes..
taiga's idea will work to start forming a user base
I say it should be organised by subject THEN state, as was suggested earlier. I remember how crap the Victorian section of BoS was, and that was because it was completely segregated from everything else - as AN is now.
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Would it be possible to get ahold of the subject outlines and course requirements for other states as you can with VCAA study designs, then abstract the portions of notes for VCE that fit and post them as notes in the other state forums? this would create content to draw people in.
with a bit of digging, you can find them for HSC here, usually under the 'syllabus' item on the left of each study's page:
http://arc.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/go/hsc/std-packs/
So all the parts of maths, chem or italian VCE units which apply to the HSC ones could be put up as notes. A lot of work in some cases, not so much in others.
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Going with the subject -> state idea
I think that on the forum home page you have recent notes uploads, then on each subject section (which is national) you have recent notes for that specific section. Notes can be used interstate - for science subjects the underlying concepts are the same; essays and notes for english/languages are useful no matter how closely they are related to the specific tasks they are preparing for, etc.
They may be less relevant for humanities subjects..
Pulling out the relevant bits would be too much work xD
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I think the problem is you need an initial community already in place to get the ball rolling. Individuals aren't going to join the site unless there is a pre-existing community. I like Taiga's idea the best. It would be a good way to build up a community form other states, then once the numbers are high enough we can think about subdividing the forums into each state.
At the moment, unless you can organise a bunch of people to simultaneous join and use the other boards, nothing is going to happen...
Best post in this thread.
FSN started initially because a group of discontent VCE students on BoS decided to start up their own site. That then snowballed into what it is today. If we were to make the other state boards active, we must somehow gather a local community that is already active. (streamlining might work, but the 'you are in a different state' makes it a lot harder)
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As much as I hate to admit it... I think it's quite obvious that I was 100% wrong about subdividing the states forum-wise.
After stage 2) of the plan goes ahead and we've had the expo, we'll look at integrating the communities into one forum.
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As much as I hate to admit it... I think it's quite obvious that I was 100% wrong about subdividing the states forum-wise.
After stage 2) of the plan goes ahead and we've had the expo, we'll look at integrating the communities into one forum.
ETA on Stage 2?
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As much as I hate to admit it... I think it's quite obvious that I was 100% wrong about subdividing the states forum-wise.
After stage 2) of the plan goes ahead and we've had the expo, we'll look at integrating the communities into one forum.
ETA on Stage 2?
Hopefully before the expo :P
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As much as I hate to admit it... I think it's quite obvious that I was 100% wrong about subdividing the states forum-wise.
After stage 2) of the plan goes ahead and we've had the expo, we'll look at integrating the communities into one forum.
ETA on Stage 2?
Exactly what I was thinking.
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What's stage 2?
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What's stage 2?
That's the whole point....which is why I asked for an ETA.
Haha I have to admit enwiabe, you are very skilled at causing drama/tension/anticipation.
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I think the problem is you need an initial community already in place to get the ball rolling. Individuals aren't going to join the site unless there is a pre-existing community. I like Taiga's idea the best. It would be a good way to build up a community form other states, then once the numbers are high enough we can think about subdividing the forums into each state.
At the moment, unless you can organise a bunch of people to simultaneous join and use the other boards, nothing is going to happen...
Best post in this thread.
FSN started initially because a group of discontent VCE students on BoS decided to start up their own site. That then snowballed into what it is today. If we were to make the other state boards active, we must somehow gather a local community that is already active. (streamlining might work, but the 'you are in a different state' makes it a lot harder)
This is quite true. I was and technically still am a member of BoS although I have not been on there for a year. Although since it was primarily based in NSW it was hard to get help from people who were doing VCE since there was not that many people who cross checked the forums.
I think this is all a learning experience though as enwiabe pointed out. Was happy to point out that a mistake was made and as a result has learned from it and will change the forum accordingly in an attempt to boost activity across the board.
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What's stage 2?
That's the whole point....which is why I asked for an ETA.
Haha I have to admit enwiabe, you are very skilled at causing drama/tension/anticipation.
I just thought I missed the thread or something..
Hopefully it's huge like the revolution :D
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What's stage 2?
That's the whole point....which is why I asked for an ETA.
Haha I have to admit enwiabe, you are very skilled at causing drama/tension/anticipation.
I just thought I missed the thread or something..
Hopefully it's huge like the revolution :D
Or huge like the downtime when the revolution happened :P
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Stage 2 is when we tell you that those threads from the April Fools forum are actually true and we were floating the idea to gauge consumer response
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Damnit Russ!
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Stage 2 is when we tell you that those threads from the April Fools forum are actually true and we were floating the idea to gauge consumer response
shhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :tickedoff:
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As much as I hate to admit it... I think it's quite obvious that I was 100% wrong about subdividing the states forum-wise.
After stage 2) of the plan goes ahead and we've had the expo, we'll look at integrating the communities into one forum.
Not to mention no one ever did any sort of SEO on the other sites so they're almost impossible to find. :p