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Title: Ransom Discussion Thread
Post by: Tobias Funke on April 08, 2011, 09:59:41 pm
Thought it might be a good idea to have a thread existing solely to talk about Ransom, I don't really expect it to work out too well, but basically if it does, then I and a lot of you will be in a better place by the end of the holidays. Simply put, a discussion of quotes, themes, and big ideas are what I'm hoping for.

So let's begin.
Everytime I see this quote I think it must be significant somehow, but I can't really ascertain the meaning.

"Such a life is death to the warrior spirit" - pg.7
Right now I'm thinking something like American Beauty; that a warrior can gain more from life through death, but yeah, questionable.

Also the significance of Achilles as "the runner"?
Title: Re: Ransom Discussion Thread
Post by: iamtom on April 08, 2011, 10:08:54 pm
I hate this book.

hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate
Title: Re: Ransom Discussion Thread
Post by: pi on April 09, 2011, 06:56:29 pm
Quote from: Tobias Funke on April 08, 2011, 09:59:41 pm
Also the significance of Achilles as "the runner"?


I think what is more significant, is Achilles as a 'wolf' (three references to that).

My interpretation of "runner" might mean to be some link to his father and mortal side.
Title: Re: Ransom Discussion Thread
Post by: iNerd on April 09, 2011, 07:03:16 pm
Quote from: iamtom on April 08, 2011, 10:08:54 pm
I hate this book.

hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate
Is it really that bad? *dreads next year*

:( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Ransom Discussion Thread
Post by: iamtom on April 09, 2011, 08:31:04 pm
Quote from: ATAR on April 09, 2011, 07:03:16 pm
Quote from: iamtom on April 08, 2011, 10:08:54 pm
I hate this book.

hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate
Is it really that bad? *dreads next year*

:( :( :( :(

It's not amazing, no.
Quote from: Rohitpi on April 09, 2011, 06:56:29 pm
Quote from: Tobias Funke on April 08, 2011, 09:59:41 pm
Also the significance of Achilles as "the runner"?


I think what is more significant, is Achilles as a 'wolf' (three references to that).

My interpretation of "runner" might mean to be some link to his father and mortal side.

Could have something to do with the fact he ran from battle when he was offended by Agamemnon.
Title: Re: Ransom Discussion Thread
Post by: 24lover on April 10, 2011, 05:55:24 pm
Quote from: Tobias Funke on April 08, 2011, 09:59:41 pm
Thought it might be a good idea to have a thread existing solely to talk about Ransom, I don't really expect it to work out too well, but basically if it does, then I and a lot of you will be in a better place by the end of the holidays. Simply put, a discussion of quotes, themes, and big ideas are what I'm hoping for.

So let's begin.
Everytime I see this quote I think it must be significant somehow, but I can't really ascertain the meaning.

"Such a life is death to the warrior spirit" - pg.7
Right now I'm thinking something like American Beauty; that a warrior can gain more from life through death, but yeah, questionable.

Also the significance of Achilles as "the runner"?


"Such a life is death to the warrior spirit" - pg.7

when we think of a warrior, we know that they're sacrificing their lives - so they are facing death in battle. however this quote is not referring to the fact that being a warrior means to confront death each time, but to lose what it means to 'live' when you're out there in bloodshed and hatred each war. Achilles is so immersed in the battles between two groups that the only way he knows how to deal with Patroclus' death is to avenge his friend's early death by dragging hector's body for eleven days without any sense of regret or remorse. So in a way, being a warrior was 'death' to Achilles because of how he responded to tragic incidences in his life.

how's that? haha :)