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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: Jessie_mCPHERSON on May 02, 2011, 01:27:40 pm
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i heard that you get called curry and stuff there if you look indian
is this true?
how can we stop racism in australia?
i think it's horrible how all the smart kids r becoming racist... :(
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yea,
my brother who goes to melbourne high was persecuted by a group of asians in biology once. they did all these experiments and stuff to him
now he's korean
racism is well and thriving in melbourne high school,
the brilliant minds of tomorrow have been plagued and we need to do something to stop it before we are all doomed
i also have suspicions of the user "Mao" and what his true intentions are..
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It's not really racist. Well, it is, but because the majority of the people are cultured anyway, it's mutual racism. A generally accepted break down is that one-third of the school is Asian, one-third Indian/Sri Lankan etc, and one-third 'White' (Aussies, Europeans etc). Everyone's aware of the cultural stereotypes of each group and we all played along with them and didn't get offended because we know everyone's joking. Hell, even the teachers would crack the same racist jokes but it's just part of the culture of the school because the majority of people are cultured anyway. You can't really discriminate when no one in the school is a majority in itself - each group alone was a minority when compared to the remainder.
I remember my English teacher who recently came from America was shocked at the dynamics of the school, since yeh, it was pretty blatantly racist with people just calling each other the curries, Asians, Jews etcetc, and she compared this to calling someone nigger in America where that'd pretty much get you bashed or worse immediately. But yeh, it's just mutual acceptance. The label is something used more affectionately rather than with malice. This then contrasted with coming into uni where me and a few other friends from MHS, as well as a few other schools with a similar culture (Haileybury comes to mind) realised that we couldn't be overtly racist to anyone anymore and get away with it. Was initially quite hard working around that awkward moment when someone actually got offended by the word 'curry' =/
But honestly, it's actually the opposite of true racism. It's kind of paradoxical racism I guess because we only make racist comments because we don't actually see race as something to be ashamed of or to be much considered. You end up just getting so caught up in the multi-cultural nature of the school that race seems like a non-issue anymore. It's really because we know that everyone's not racist that we are able to crack these sorts of jokes, since we all know that we're all kidding and it's just some light-hearted humour. This is just my (poor explained) take on it, but I'm sure most other MHS boys would agree with me, or at least have a vague idea of what I'm talking about, on the dynamics of the culture. It's pretty difficult to explain really; it's something you need to experience yourself to understand.
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You will find that in MHS that term is never used in a derogatory manner.
That said, I think you're just trying to poke fun.
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It's not really racist. Well, it is, but because the majority of the people are cultured anyway, it's mutual racism. A generally accepted break down is that one-third of the school is Asian, one-third Indian/Sri Lankan etc, and one-third 'White' (Aussies, Europeans etc). Everyone's aware of the cultural stereotypes of each group and we all played along with them and didn't get offended because we know everyone's joking. Hell, even the teachers would crack the same racist jokes but it's just part of the culture of the school because the majority of people are cultured anyway. You can't really discriminate when no one in the school is a majority in itself - each group alone was a minority when compared to the remainder.
I remember my English teacher who recently came from America was shocked at the dynamics of the school, since yeh, it was pretty blatantly racist with people just calling each other the curries, Asians, Jews etcetc, and she compared this to calling someone nigger in America where that'd pretty much get you bashed or worse immediately. But yeh, it's just mutual acceptance. The label is something used more affectionately rather than with malice. This then contrasted with coming into uni where me and a few other friends from MHS, as well as a few other schools with a similar culture (Haileybury comes to mind) realised that we couldn't be overtly racist to anyone anymore and get away with it. Was initially quite hard working around that awkward moment when someone actually got offended by the word 'curry' =/
But honestly, it's actually the opposite of true racism. It's kind of paradoxical racism I guess because we only make racist comments because we don't actually see race as something to be ashamed of or to be much considered. You end up just getting so caught up in the multi-cultural nature of the school that race seems like a non-issue anymore. It's really because we know that everyone's not racist that we are able to crack these sorts of jokes, since we all know that we're all kidding and it's just some light-hearted humour. This is just my (poor explained) take on it, but I'm sure most other MHS boys would agree with me, or at least have a vague idea of what I'm talking about, on the dynamics of the culture. It's pretty difficult to explain really; it's something you need to experience yourself to understand.
To summarize, in shinny's opinion piece, he contends that MHS is not racist.
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You will find that in MHS that term is never used in a derogatory manner.
That said, I think you're just trying to poke fun.
You'll see that in "most schools," they will share the same culture.
To Summarize: No one gives a shit.
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You will find that in MHS that term is never used in a derogatory manner.
That said, I think you're just trying to poke fun.
You'll see that in "most schools," they will share the same culture.
To Summarize: No one gives a shit.
Damn straight.
It's good that you care about racism and all, but no offence, good luck finding a solution.
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Any form of 'racism' at MHS is usually a humourous thing, I really think actual racism is a bare minimum at MHS. The amount of different races at MHS really sets you up for future interactions with people, I've seen students from other schools with not many diverse cultures not knowing how to react/respond to people from other cultures (does that even make sense?)
Eh, whatever, the cultural diversity is a good thing at MHS, and racism is low. Yea
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You can't really discriminate when no one in the school is a majority in itself - each group alone was a minority when compared to the remainder.
Of course you can. I have no idea about MHS but you can discriminate against a majority.
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You can't really discriminate when no one in the school is a majority in itself - each group alone was a minority when compared to the remainder.
Of course you can. I have no idea about MHS but you can discriminate against a majority.
Well, you'd pretty much get discriminated right back at you. What I meant was discriminate...uhh, effectively? As in without significant consequences or resistance.
EDIT: By the way, interesting topic to consider for anyone doing I&B.
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It's not really racist. Well, it is, but because the majority of the people are cultured anyway, it's mutual racism. A generally accepted break down is that one-third of the school is Asian, one-third Indian/Sri Lankan etc, and one-third 'White' (Aussies, Europeans etc). Everyone's aware of the cultural stereotypes of each group and we all played along with them and didn't get offended because we know everyone's joking. Hell, even the teachers would crack the same racist jokes but it's just part of the culture of the school because the majority of people are cultured anyway. You can't really discriminate when no one in the school is a majority in itself - each group alone was a minority when compared to the remainder.
I remember my English teacher who recently came from America was shocked at the dynamics of the school, since yeh, it was pretty blatantly racist with people just calling each other the curries, Asians, Jews etcetc, and she compared this to calling someone nigger in America where that'd pretty much get you bashed or worse immediately. But yeh, it's just mutual acceptance. The label is something used more affectionately rather than with malice. This then contrasted with coming into uni where me and a few other friends from MHS, as well as a few other schools with a similar culture (Haileybury comes to mind) realised that we couldn't be overtly racist to anyone anymore and get away with it. Was initially quite hard working around that awkward moment when someone actually got offended by the word 'curry' =/
But honestly, it's actually the opposite of true racism. It's kind of paradoxical racism I guess because we only make racist comments because we don't actually see race as something to be ashamed of or to be much considered. You end up just getting so caught up in the multi-cultural nature of the school that race seems like a non-issue anymore. It's really because we know that everyone's not racist that we are able to crack these sorts of jokes, since we all know that we're all kidding and it's just some light-hearted humour. This is just my (poor explained) take on it, but I'm sure most other MHS boys would agree with me, or at least have a vague idea of what I'm talking about, on the dynamics of the culture. It's pretty difficult to explain really; it's something you need to experience yourself to understand.
I got what you're saying, like MHS is 'post-race' or something like that. I know nothing about MHS, but surely in an environment where race and stereotyped differences between races, wouldn't it then be easier to have tensions about race and some degree of segregation (even if it's self-segregation)? I suspect that MHS has a fairly unique population though and I'd accept what you'd have to say on it.
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There's definitely some sense of segregation in terms of the cultural groups largely sticking together for the most part, but I wouldn't say there's any tension between groups. I think the lack of tension is due to other factors though - the academic nature of the school, general school pride, respect for the community (quite a large thing given almost every student takes public transport) etc. It's hard to deconstruct and understand it. I see your point though and can imagine a similar composition in another school ending up quite messy.
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Racism is only an issue if you turn it into one.
And on the point of segregation, it does remain true that the majority of us prefer to hang with our own race. However that does not mean we hate the other races. We are actually really accepting of them and although we all make stereotypical remarks at each other, we all know that we are joking and have a good laugh. It's just that we prefer to hang with our own race because we usually have similar interests and can relate to each other. Like I said, racism is only an issue if you turn it into one.
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I would say there'd be more racism in country schools where there are Asians who haven't been to primary school with the rest of the students.
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Ye ShImMy Is RiGhT, BuT wRiTiNg LiKe ThIs mAkEs Me WaNt To ShOoT yOu.
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It isn't racism. Racism constitutes hatred or prejudice, but at Melbourne High, it's really just there, existing as a non-derogatory means of referring to people in incredibly lighthearted fashion.
Segregation can happen but it's never really due to race itself, but more so social friendships and stuff.
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Wow @ the justification of using racial slurs because you're "joking" and "everyone does it"
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Racism? I thought we got rid of that...
and @comeatmebrah and the woman OP, 0/10. Both of you. Trolling is a art.
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and @comeatmebrah and the woman OP, 0/10. Both of you. Trolling is a art.
Spot on Chrisjb.
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Racism? I thought we got rid of that...
and @comeatmebrah and the woman OP, 0/10. Both of you. Trolling is a art.
Except I'm not trolling?
Learn 2 internet.
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For clarification if I was trolling my post would have looked like this:
So the other day my chink friend walked up to me and said "hey wigger whats going on" to which I replied: "Not much cunt-eyes just hanging out with this nigger over here" to which my friend nigger jim replied "Yeah me and this honkie were just discussing them rag heads in our maths lectures and how hilarious they look" and then my chink friend said "haha yeah that class is easy because ching chong chung ching"(he started speaking chinese at this point because thats what he does)
BUT ITS NOT RACIST BECAUSE WE WERE JOKING RIGHT?
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Except I'm not trolling?
Learn 2 internet.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION SO I'M GOING TO POINT OUT A GRAMMATICAL MISTAKE
Fixed your post for you.
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Well, yeah of course if you exaggerate the context of what everyone has said and create a hypothetical situation which is intentionally trying to be racist, it's going to be racist. "racism" at MHS extends no further than 'curry', and is really used more by people who willingly associate themselves with the term.
But feel free to stick to your ignorant concessions about the school, we hate more than prince philip n dat
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Racism? I thought we got rid of that...
and @comeatmebrah and the woman OP, 0/10. Both of you. Trolling is a art.
Except I'm not trolling?
Learn 2 internet.
Edit:
For clarification if I was trolling my post would have looked like this:
So the other day my chink friend walked up to me and said "hey wigger whats going on" to which I replied: "Not much cunt-eyes just hanging out with this nigger over here" to which my friend nigger jim replied "Yeah me and this honkie were just discussing them rag heads in our maths lectures and how hilarious they look" and then my chink friend said "haha yeah that class is easy because ching chong chung ching"(he started speaking chinese at this point because thats what he does)
BUT ITS NOT RACIST BECAUSE WE WERE JOKING RIGHT?
LOL wtf.. youhighbrah?
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I used to get beat up at MHS coz I'm Indian
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I used to get beat up at MHS coz I'm Indian
Really ):?
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Not at all
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Keep it on track guys...
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I think this really boils down to what you define as racism. To me (and I'd assume most people are running a similar definition), something cannot really be said to be racist if it doesn't have a (negative) impact on the subject. For instance, in the scenario that comeatmebrah presented, although it is quite exaggerated, I really see no problem in people conversing like that so long as everyone doesn't perceive certain 'racial slurs' to be offensive. Ultimately, these things that you refer to as 'racial slurs' are no more than a part of language. For instance, in a thousand years time, the word 'human', for instance, could probably be seen as something very offensive. To those who live a thousand years in the future, of course, the use of such words would not appropriate, but for us, it's perfectly fine. Same deal goes with the individuals as Melbourne High (and most other schools at that). Certain groups, namely MHS boys, would view such words as 'curry' to be perfectly okay and acceptable, and within that group, just like we don't find the word 'human' to be racist as in the example above, these words won't give off any racist effect. But comeatmebrah does allude to a valid point, because as an outsider, if you are offended by such words as 'curry' and you happen to walk past MHS boys using this word, then, to this outsider, the term racism could perhaps pertinent here.
But yeah, I ramble, but there's really not much point in arguing about this I think.
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as an outsider, if you are offended by such words as 'curry' and you happen to walk past MHS boys using this word, then, to this outsider, the term racism could perhaps pertinent here.
This is why MHS students are no longer permitted to use the terms "jew", "asian", "curry", "that's what she said", etc.
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i rekon the teachers favour white people better... or is it jst me? like they atomatically asume that a white person at melbhigh is really smart... or like smarter than the others..
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Racism incorporates hatred.
There is no hatred at MHS and no tension between different races.
There may, however, be some prejudice against 'gimps'
but they aren't really a race.
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Racism incorporates hatred.
There is no hatred at MHS and no tension between different races.
There may, however, be some prejudice against 'gimps'
but they aren't really a race.
I wouldn't go as far as saying "none".
But compared to most public and private schools, I'd say it's a MUCH more tolerant environment.
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I reckon the teachers favour white people better... or is it just me? like they automatically asume that a white person at Melbourne High is really smart... or at least like smarter than the others.
No....? I don't think so at all.
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i rekon the teachers favour white people better... or is it jst me? like they atomatically asume that a white person at melbhigh is really smart... or like smarter than the others..
No....? I don't think so at all.
I always thought it would've been the other way around ahah.
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Wouldn't you expect less racism in such schools because there are a lot of people of different races? I would have thought those schools where the majority of students are Anglosaxons, would have more racism?
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i rekon the teachers favour white people better... or is it jst me? like they atomatically asume that a white person at melbhigh is really smart... or like smarter than the others..
No....? I don't think so at all.
I always thought it would've been the other way around ahah.
Exactly, if there is any prejudice it is that way. In the end, the spread of intelligent kids to duds is the same in most ethnic groups.
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i rekon the teachers favour white people better... or is it jst me? like they atomatically asume that a white person at melbhigh is really smart... or like smarter than the others..
No....? I don't think so at all.
I always thought it would've been the other way around ahah.
I think she's saying that because asian and indian kids are so smart, for a white kid to be able to get into MHS would make the teachers assume that he is a genius or something. That's the implication I'm getting anyway.
With that said, I completely disagree with the implication. There is no "smarter" race, the reason why there's a higher proportion of Asian / Indian students in MHS is probably because a lot of them are the children of immigrants, and if you look back in history, children of first generation immigrants are very frequently more motivated/made to work harder by their parents, so they can establish themselves in the "new country". I'm not trying to say these kids aren't intelligent because they are, but in my mind you can't really assume ANYTHING based on someones intelligence due to their ethnicity, and that it really just comes down to the individual and how hard they work.
Also, no, there's absolutely no prejudice in regards to teachers favouring one race or another.
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i rekon the teachers favour white people better... or is it jst me? like they atomatically asume that a white person at melbhigh is really smart... or like smarter than the others..
This is definitely just you
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Haven't really read anything but the first post, but I don't think MHS is racist at all. True, Indians/Lankans get called curry, but the mere fact that they call THEMSELVES curry really undermines any idea of racism. For an outsider of the school, the name-calling of 'curry', 'asian', 'white guys', 'bogans', 'halfies', etc. may seem offensive, but in school these are taken in good spirit by everyone (or at least everyone I know), and has even been adopted by a couple of teachers (eg. the common joke: 'turn on the lights, I can't see the curries'). As it is taken for lols, there is no racism whatsoever.
Just my slant.
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For example a person of asian descent may not be able to distinguish between an Indian and a Sri Lankan.
I'm sure many 'curries' cannot either
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For example a person of asian descent may not be able to distinguish between an Indian and a Sri Lankan.
Now, that is actually racist...
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Some of these terms are also used as a matter of convenience.
For example a person of asian descent may not be able to distinguish between an Indian and a Sri Lankan.
Until they get into MHS. I'm fairly confident in my Lankan/Indian distinguishing skills now :P
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Some of these terms are also used as a matter of convenience.
For example a person of asian descent may not be able to distinguish between an Indian and a Sri Lankan.
Until they get into MHS. I'm fairly confident in my Lankan/Indian distinguishing skills now :P
You must teach me. I cannot tell the difference at all (and Mauritians, I get them confused in that group too).