ATAR Notes: Forum

VCE Stuff => VCE Mathematics => VCE Mathematics/Science/Technology => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Mathematical Methods CAS => Topic started by: lshak on July 06, 2011, 11:34:36 am

Title: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: lshak on July 06, 2011, 11:34:36 am
I feel so dumb lol but would anyone be able to help me with some of my holiday h/w? :)

My teacher sucks and I have no idea how to do these! haha they are probably really simple but range/domain has always confused me -_-

(http://i54.tinypic.com/5uqyj8.jpg)

(http://i51.tinypic.com/33eln9s.png)

(http://i54.tinypic.com/2l9bo1.png)

(http://i51.tinypic.com/10p7jgg.png)

I wouldn't have a clue how to do these on my CAS either  :-\


Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: pi on July 06, 2011, 11:38:30 am
4. Dom when the part inside the root is greater or equal to 0 (ie when the function exists). In this case,


B

5. Clue, the 'cusps' indicate that it is a magnitude graph. Looking a the y-int (which would be (0,-a) if the graph was not a magnitude), it must be option C.

6. Semi-circle. therefore E.

7. Inverse. You'd get D. Thanks moekamo, my bad :(
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: b^3 on July 06, 2011, 11:42:02 am
5. It is going to be a mod because of the all positive above the axis, so the orginal would be (x-root(a))(x+root(a))=x^2-a
so the equation is |x^2-a| so asnwer is c.

Edit: Beaten, Rohitpi, so fast :)
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: moekamo on July 06, 2011, 11:46:58 am
5. that looks like x^2-a except that it is positive between -sqrt(a) and sqrt(a), so we have a |x^2-a| graph. so C

6. this is a the lower half of a semicircle of radius 2 and center at (0,0). hence the range is [-2,0]. so E

7. range of f inverse = domain of f. so ran = [1,3]. so D


EDIT: Beaten, except Rohitpi you got the range of f, not f inverse! im pretty sure its D :P
7. Same as above. You'd get C.
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: pi on July 06, 2011, 11:51:17 am
EDIT: Beaten, except Rohitpi you got the range of f, not f inverse! im pretty sure its D :P
7. Same as above. You'd get C.

+1, I needed to expand my window ;D Couldn't see the whole question
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: pi on July 06, 2011, 12:03:32 pm
^^^ For Q4, the graph has a 'closed circle', it exists at x=-3

woops

It happens. :)
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: lshak on July 06, 2011, 12:12:33 pm
Wow so fast haha thanks so much guys! :D

Uhmm what would this one be? :P

For which of the following would an inverse function exist regardless of the domain?
A. parabola
B. truncus
C. circle
D. hyperbola
E. absolute function graph
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: moekamo on July 06, 2011, 12:24:32 pm
hyperbola, if you draw a horizontal line anywhere it will only cross the function once, all the others have two crossing points.
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: brightsky on July 06, 2011, 12:30:17 pm
think about it logically, if you reflect a many-to-one function about the line y=x, then the resulting graph would have a one-to-many relation (i.e. if you put a vertical line through it, it will cross at more than one point), hence not being a "function". the question asks for an inverse FUNCTION, so only the functions with one-to-one relations work.
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: lshak on July 06, 2011, 12:49:18 pm
Ahh I get it, thanks so much!

Edit/  Okay what about this one?

(http://i52.tinypic.com/28ic48k.png)

For (a)...Is the domain just [-3,3] ?
For (c) is it  3 +or- squareroot k  (I just guessed )
And for (d) is it k>0 ??

....And I have no clue how to do (b)  :P

Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: hairypenis on July 06, 2011, 06:24:18 pm
i think i got the same test as you! i haven't got my result back but i had no idea how to do that question ^^^either lol
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: xZero on July 06, 2011, 06:37:11 pm
a) [-3,3]
b) [-3+k,3+k]
c) +or- sqrt(9-k^2)
d) k>3
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2] - just post bump next time! :)
Post by: taiga on July 06, 2011, 06:55:11 pm
i think i got the same test as you! i haven't got my result back but i had no idea how to do that question ^^^either lol

That's because you're the same person? :S

I personally don't mind if you just post "bump" to get your question noticed.

PM me if I'm wrong, if not let me know which one of your (3) accounts you'd like to keep :)

You're not trying to do anything bad so obviously just take it as advice not to do it again :P

------------------------------------------------------------------------

This graph is a a circle with radius 3. centre at (0,k). hence the y values of the range are K+3 and k-3, the domain is from [-3,3]

edit: xZero has it my bad :P
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: kamil9876 on July 07, 2011, 12:00:21 am
Interesting, according to the rest of the world in question 7 f would not have an inverse (a technicality, need to change the codomain) but I guess in vce it does. Fun Fact.
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: xZero on July 07, 2011, 01:43:21 am
Interesting, according to the rest of the world in question 7 f would not have an inverse (a technicality, need to change the codomain) but I guess in vce it does. Fun Fact.
Was trying to figure out why cant it have an inverse but failed miserably :( don't see anything wrong with R as the codomain, care to explain? thanks
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: kamil9876 on July 07, 2011, 10:49:56 am
Most likely in vce it does have an inverse so for your purposes you should probably ignore me.

Just saying that according to the mathematical community it wouldn't. Check the definition here. Wiki also uses this definition here and it even says that:

Quote
When using codomains, the inverse of a function ƒ: X → Y is required to have domain Y and codomain X.

But in question 7, R is "too big" for a codomain. If instead that question had the codomain as [2,6] then it would be fine according to this definition.

It's a better definition in higher mathematics when you're doing more complicated things. But since in vce you are only interesting in sketching graphs etc. I guess we don't need such a definition.
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: xZero on July 08, 2011, 03:35:37 am
hahah i see, didn't know a function can only have an inverse if its a bijection
Title: Re: Help please? :) [unit 2]
Post by: kamil9876 on July 08, 2011, 11:56:08 am
But as I said before, be careful, judging by the question maybe VCE thinks otherwise.