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Administration => Site Discussion => General Site Discussion => Topic started by: excal on August 02, 2008, 04:51:02 am
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Merely changing the format from blogspot to YouTube does not make it any more legitimate.
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I think there should be no financial benefits for him if he is using this site to try to scam people.
This means removing his Buy/Sell thread. Are you reading this?
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Refer to this thread here: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,3814.msg45216.html#msg45216
Perfectscore created another account to decieve members (it was shown to have the same IP) and pretended to be another individual. The alias was 'eous55_Utube id'. This also happens to be her/his (perfectscore's) YouTube address which is displayed in their name (youtube.com/eous55) which is currently being used to spam members.
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ahaha
"Age: 20" from that youtube account
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Well, I'm posting a warning message on his Buy/Sell thread now.
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lol 891 youtube friends!
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Interestingly enough, he would require another 12 youtube friends to actually construct a proper triangle.
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he should be reported to the ASIC or SEC, wherever he lives :P
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Yay, I was waiting for someone to post this thread. :D
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all gone ppl
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lol its a scam free forum now!
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all gone ppl
question begs, why did it exist in the first place?
I eagerly await your answer.
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all gone ppl
question begs, why did it exist in the first place?
I eagerly await your answer.
me too
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question begs, why did it exist in the first place?
I eagerly await your answer.
bump
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Karma; use it.
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Karma; use it.
don't abuse it
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Karma; use it.
don't abuse it
Or you'll lose it
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Karma; use it.
don't abuse it
Or you'll lose it
but don't disrepute it
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cos u just might bruise it
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well, since u guys 'like' forums (since you guys are on this one) i thought u might enjoy it.
oh well, don't worry then
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well, since u guys 'like' forums (since you guys are on this one) i thought u might enjoy it.
oh well, don't worry then
Er, what?
How does that enpyramid scheme have anything to do with this forum? Non sequitur anyone?
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This is out of proportion... Yet the question still stands... I am sure everyone is eagerly awaiting a response.
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how is it a pyramid scheme? such a scheme does not exist- it is just a forum; much like this one
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how is it a pyramid scheme? such a scheme does not exist- it is just a forum; much like this one
If Wikipedia has an article on it, I'm sure it has to exist (and be well known)...
YouTube isn't a forum. It's a video publishing site, and you had videos on your account that were suggestive of pyramid schemes. In fact, your previous blog did too, if you looked at my analysis:
(http://symposia.voodooed.net/images/unpaidtotype.jpg)
I still don't find that explanation satisfactory. I eagerly await such a response.
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how is it a pyramid scheme? such a scheme does not exist- it is just a forum; much like this one
If Wikipedia has an article on it, I'm sure it has to exist (and be well known)...
YouTube isn't a forum.
I wasn't talking about youtube and also you only refer once; it is not a pyramid scheme if you earn from only the person above you and thats where the buck stops.
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Same thing with blogspot. It isn't a forum.
Umm...'BUT if you tell all your friends and family, YOU GET 25% of WHAT THEY EARN!!' (from blogspot...included in the picture)
What.
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what what? samwell
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I quoted your blogspot page to emphasise the point that you were promoting a pyramid scam.
What, meaning I am (still) seeking an explanation for this.
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I am still waiting.
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we all are... so explain or the negative karma shall multiply tenfold
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Still waiting.
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Excalibur, how come you revenge negative karma everyone that gives you neg karma except coblin? (Not saying that Coblin should be neg karma-ed)
Some sort of hierarchical power structure? Attacking those lower than you on VN?
ALL THESE IN THE LAST 3 DAYS??? DUDE.... cmon
Excalibur (+37/-18) perfectscore (+0/-17) - *looks at watch* In topic
Excalibur (+37/-18) gfb (+3/-14) - that's not a reason to karma; you know the rules.
Excalibur (+37/-18) ingramjack48 (+0/-4) - you karma revenge me, i'll do it right back.
Excalibur (+37/-18) ingramjack48 (+0/-4) - lurk moar.
Excalibur (+37/-18) bucket (+14/-9) - coblin, brendan and many, many others...
Excalibur (+37/-18) perfectscore (+0/-17) - Still waiting..
Excalibur (+37/-18) perfectscore (+0/-17) - Waiting...
Excalibur (+37/-18) perfectscore (+0/-17) - I am still waiting.
Excalibur (+37/-18) bucket (+14/-9) - lol - I think caramel has already established my gender.
.... and I think this sums it up
User MAX smiting [neg karma-ing] other users Excalibur - [33]
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4 people have been on the receiving end of the majority of his smites
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Still waiting.
I'm still waiting because I have nothing else to do other then negative karma weak members, and wait for some explanation thats obviously never going to come and I know that the explanation is never going to come, but what the heck I'm going to be a prick anway, despite the fact that the person has even taken off there "scam site" a while ago. This is because I am a power hungry blob, and am the most hated person on VN (evident through me being the highest smited person on VN) but my Karma is still 18 because of one person who gave me about +20 karma alone.
Huh?
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Still waiting.
I'm still waiting because I have nothing else to do other then negative karma weak members, and wait for some explanation thats obviously never going to come and I know that the explanation is never going to come, but what the heck I'm going to be a prick anway, despite the fact that the person has even taken off there "scam site" a while ago. This is because I am a power hungry blob, and am the most hated person on VN (evident through me being the highest smited person on VN) but my Karma is still 18 because of one person who gave me about +20 karma alone.
Huh?
@ ingramjack - you'll find that a large proportion of the smiting on my account is revenge smiting on the part of the other person (note that this pool contains maybe 4 people), and various return fires. The idea isn't to revenge karma people for marking your post bad. Have you noticed how I haven't smited hard, like I don't with coblin?
we all are... so explain or the negative karma shall multiply tenfold
Hell, you even encouraged it.
most hated person on VN
What?
Excalibur, how come you revenge negative karma everyone that gives you neg karma except coblin? (Not saying that Coblin should be neg karma-ed)
@ Costargh - because at least he has legitimate reasons for doing so...unlike those who revenge karma me for making otherwise (at which point I return the favour) legitimate smites. Just take a look at the first blow thrown and the respective post.
'perfectscore' is an exception, and deserves absolutely no pity unless evidence to the contrary is presented (which I doubt will happen). I have absolutely no respect for scammers, or those who try to. I really don't care if I absoultely drive him/her into the ground as far as this community is concerned...s/he deserves nothing less.
In all honesty, though, the 'karma' system as its applied here is useless. It's almost as though I cannot mark a persons post as a bad post without copping a 'revenge' karma back...which is not the idea of the system. I believe the way Whirlpool (as much as I despise the quality of some posting/moderation over there...) does it is quite good.
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You can only assume 'perfectscore's' intentions. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she is a scammer. I know that his/her sites are suspicious looking but suspicion doesn't always lead to guilt.
There are dozens of bad posts on this site daily, no doubt some by myself every so often. But I think everyone accepts that, everyone knows who posts shit. You can't compain that people revenge smite you when you do exactly the same.
I guess the choice is up to you considering you have the access to the karma system like everyone else here, but excessive use of the karma system in a negative manner, IMO is not the best way to use it. And the fact that you have to get other people to boost up your karma, reflects on your insecurity at the perception you might face for continually neg karma-ing others.
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You can only assume 'perfectscore's' intentions. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she is a scammer. I know that his/her sites are suspicious looking but suspicion doesn't always lead to guilt.
There are dozens of bad posts on this site daily, no doubt some by myself every so often. But I think everyone accepts that, everyone knows who posts shit. You can't compain that people revenge smite you when you do exactly the same.
I guess the choice is up to you considering you have the access to the karma system like everyone else here, but excessive use of the karma system in a negative manner, IMO is not the best way to use it. And the fact that you have to get other people to boost up your karma, reflects on your insecurity at the perception you might face for continually neg karma-ing others.
I already discussed the nature of the blogspot site, and I would think that everyone is in agreement that the YouTube channel is an even more blatant example. The fact that he, after being asked by enwiabe to remove the blogspot link, replaced it with the YouTube profile strongly suggests a) lack of remorse and b) contempt.
Furthermore, I would argue that this is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. Thus, in the context of burden of proof, I'd argue that it only need to be proven on a balance of probabilities.
I have no qualms with people using the karma feature to mark bad posts - that's the feature's intention. But to grab any old post that has no possibility of offending anyone and marking it as bad for the purposes of 'karma revenge' is not the feature's intention.
I have no control over what caramel does with karma on me. You are making a distinct assumption that, as she is my girlfriend, I'm pressuring her to applaud me. This isn't the case. I can tell you, though, that she does not like the fact that people karma revenge - rather than mark bad posts bad - and therefore has a desire to remedy that.
I reiterate, but the system as it stands is open to abuse.
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Fraud would be a criminal matter : burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt
I was more-so referring to "cos you told me to?" - ninwa.
Harressing someone is not the intention of the karma system. If your intention is to mark bad posts, how can you justify daily smiting perfetscore for in your opinion being a scammer. Thats not the intention of the system and therefore you are abusing it. If you think perfect score is a scmmmer then let others know, but how can you say others are not using the system for its intention while you are doing the same thing?
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Fraud would be a criminal matter : burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt
I was more-so referring to "cos you told me to?" - ninwa.
Harressing someone is not the intention of the karma system. If your intention is to mark bad posts, how can you justify daily smiting perfetscore for in your opinion being a scammer. Thats not the intention of the system and therefore you are abusing it. If you think perfect score is a scmmmer then let others know, but how can you say others are not using the system for its intention while you are doing the same thing?
I already said it, I do not apply the same rules to scammers.
Fraudulent misrepresentation is a civil matter. You are right that fraud is a criminal matter - and is harder to prove in this instance - but I can't prosecute for it anyway.
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LOL!!!
Ok, so the system has a purpose but you can choose to abuse that purpose because you've got a divine right to use a system specifically designed for bad posting, to illustrate potential scammers. Yeh real cool.
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LOL!!!
Ok, so the system has a purpose but you can choose to abuse that purpose because you've got a divine right to use a system specifically designed for bad posting, to illustrate potential scammers. Yeh real cool.
i agree with costa here simply because you tell people not to abuse it when you do that exact thing.
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LOL!!!
Ok, so the system has a purpose but you can choose to abuse that purpose because you've got a divine right to use a system specifically designed for bad posting, to illustrate potential scammers. Yeh real cool.
The means justify the ends.
Scammers are, after all, a threat to everyone's RL wellbeing.
I might add that perfectscore is actively avoiding answering the question, which gives minor (circumstantial) credence to my contention that he has attempted to engage in fradulent activities.
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But your continually misuse of the karma system will only continue to set examples and precedents for other members who will see the karma system as a 'good and bad posting identification system + anything else that fits under the sun' system.
It's almost as though I cannot mark a persons post as a bad post without copping a 'revenge' karma back...which is not the idea of the system.
So what is the idea of the system then?
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But your continually misuse of the karma system will only continue to set examples and precedents for other members who will see the karma system as a 'good and bad posting identification system + anything else that fits under the sun' system.
It's almost as though I cannot mark a persons post as a bad post without copping a 'revenge' karma back...which is not the idea of the system.
So what is the idea of the system then?
I've said it once, and I'll said it again - scammers (and others who engage in activities that actively harm the 'real life' wellbeing of others, and could be potentially criminal) ought to be identified for the safety of everyone on this forum, if not ejected.
The karma system can be piggybacked for this very purpose. Do remember that it is more or less agreed that the said person was advertising links that were easily fraudlent misrepresentations, if not a complete scam.
Otherwise, it ought to be used to mark bad posts ONLY. The pattern of karma usage ought to be, and indeed is mostly, different. 'Karma revenge' would fall out of scope in this instance, however.
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Meh I give up. Nite
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I was more-so referring to "cos you told me to?" - ninwa.
just to clear things up
I'd had lotsa sugar that night and barged into IRC offering free + karma to everyone. excal was one of several who accepted my generous offer :D hence around that time you'll see I +'d several people for no good reason :P
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The means justify the ends.
you meant the end justifies the means.
unless, abuse of system justifies security? :P
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The means justify the ends.
you meant the end justifies the means.
unless, abuse of system justifies security? :P
Shh. It was getting late :P
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Karma is just what the users on FSN think of you. If you see a particularly useful or insightful post, you should click "[positive]" on their name, to reward them +1 to their Karma. If you see a useless, crappy, or annoying post, give the user a "[negative]" to change their Karma by -1.
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,816.msg13902.html#msg13902
I believe the karma system should be used to indicate whether or not a post was useful, therefore as a moderation tool. We should develop a policy, visible to everyone but enforced by moderators, to ensure that karma is used for that purpose (that is, the reason provided is specific to the post and not the person).
This never happened (to the best of my searching knowledge). I don't think its necessary top make a polcy, I think people should just use it for the right reasons and not harass people because of a suspicion of scamming.
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there should be a "sleeping" emoticon :P
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Costa, before you bag other people for abusing karma: Surely you remember that you and Odette gave each other positive ones nearly every day over a month?
Not that anyone can see it now, but if you look at his profile at this point in time, his karma has been changed 93 times and the table accounts for 70, deleted accounts don't show up. Now while it is possible that other deleted people karmad you, at least 20 of those come from Odette. So get off any moral high horse :P
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If you have a problem with Odette giving me karma then take it up with her (oh you can't lol)
Odette was one of the most helpful members ever on the history of this site
Maybe you'd also like to look at your own karma plus your bf's karma.
:)
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I don't, I'm just saying don't whinge that people abuse the karma system when you've personally participated in doing so.
Because modifying posts is cool: I have never said anything regarding my own opinion of the use of the karma system. I am just pointing out that you have abused it yourself yet are unhappy to see others do the same.
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I don't, I'm just saying don't whinge that people abuse the karma system when you've personally participated in doing so.
Because modifying posts is cool: I have never said anything regarding my own opinion of the use of the karma system. I am just pointing out that you have abused it yourself yet are unhappy to see others do the same.
But I haven't abused the system. I + karma'd odette because her posts were good and she was helpful, to me personally and to other members. Just because it was as you say '20' or so doesn't mean its an abuse of the system. Also, your theory presumes that odette had never given me karma before that one month or after that one month so I highly doubt what your saying is true to the extent that you speak.
I use karma to identify good and bad posts. Excalibur has shown he doesn't. I hope your relationship doesn't blind your judgment.... that would be unfortunate.
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I don't, I'm just saying don't whinge that people abuse the karma system when you've personally participated in doing so.
Because modifying posts is cool: I have never said anything regarding my own opinion of the use of the karma system. I am just pointing out that you have abused it yourself yet are unhappy to see others do the same.
But I haven't abused the system. I + karma'd odette because her posts were good and she was helpful, to me personally and to other members. Just because it was as you say '20' or so doesn't mean its an abuse of the system. Also, your theory presumes that odette had never given me karma before that one month or after that one month so I highly doubt what your saying is true to the extent that you speak.
I use karma to identify good and bad posts. Excalibur has shown he doesn't. I hope your relationship doesn't blind your judgment.... that would be unfortunate.
Ad hominem, lol.
I've said it twice now, and I'll say it again. I do respect the 'rules' (for want of a better word) of the karma system - except in two circumstances: a) when the person is acting in a fraudulent or criminal manner and subsequently deserves no protection of the rules of this forum and b) when I receive a revenge karma for a legitimately smited post (especially when thrown at any old post).
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I can understand why people would use revenge karma, and half the time it can still be linked to a bad post because you are usually in an argument when you receive neg karma so you probably will report a post as bad because you don't agree with it. I have done this too as have most people.
But a) is stupid
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How is it stupid?
I've already given sufficient evidence, without counter-evidence, to say that he could be engaging in fraudulent misrepresentations.
The end justifies the means to protect the well-being of those on the forums - short of a complete ban.
I'm not sure if you've realised this or not, but scammers are the scum of the earth if you ask me - and they should be afforded no protections from a community such as ours.
Until evidence to the contrary is presented, I shall maintain my stance.
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How does increasing his/her negative karma "protect the well-being of those on these forums".
It essentially does nothing.
NOTHING
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I know I'd look at it if I were about to engage in a financial transaction with someone...especially if new to the forums (and not knowing the community / culture).
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Yeh and I think the person involved in the financial transaction would have realised by now ( 8 times you have neg karma-ed him/her) that he or she MAY be dodgy.
Was 7 times not adequate? Maybe you should make it 10... maybe then and only then, the potential customer will realise the message you are trying to convey...
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Have you not noticed that I've stopped?
I'm satisfied that the effect is now noticed, given your replies regarding it.
You did read my mind though, I was intending to stop at 10.
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If you said that a long time ago I wouldn't still be responding to these posts.
thanks
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oright sorry to be the party pooper here but it's really kind of well... sad to be debating for 2 pages on karma. costa yer your right abuse of karma is not the way to go.
excalibur, well your right scammer's arne't cool.
but just leave it there. honestly who really cares about karma?
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Did you not read the post right above yours? lol
thanks though mediator :P
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Did you not read the post right above yours? lol
thanks though mediator :P
oh i never saw them :p but no worries, ORDER, ORDER!
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how do you suppose i am scamming people, since i am not selling anything?
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maybe just for clarification you can tell us what ur site/product is, how it works, who is affected and what it means for us and what it means for you
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well, it is not a product. it is simply a forum like this one (which i tried to explain before) in which you have discussions. It is like yahoo answers; except instead of getting 'points or reputation' you get money.
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i think 'ugly, annoying waste of time/space' would be more suitable a description than 'scam'. I can't see too many people here investing a single second of time in it.
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perfectscore you are annoying.
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perfectscore you are annoying.
he just asked me to "maybe just for clarification you can tell us what ur site/product is, how it works, who is affected and what it means for us and what it means for you". which i am doing
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perfectscore you are annoying.
he just asked me to "maybe just for clarification you can tell us what ur site/product is, how it works, who is affected and what it means for us and what it means for you". which i am doing
congrats, but i find you annoying.
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well, it is not a product. it is simply a forum like this one (which i tried to explain before) in which you have discussions. It is like yahoo answers; except instead of getting 'points or reputation' you get money.
Blogspot / YouTube is not a forum.
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it is a link to the forum
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No it isn't.
It's a link to Blogspot.
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which is a link to another website
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this thread reminds me of
"are too"
"am not!"
"are too!!!"
"AM NOT !!!! :@"
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which is a link to another website
I'm not concerned about what the page you linked to links to, I am merely concerned about the presentation of that page.
Explain that.
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lol costargh
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Again? Links to more spam crap
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2ms2b5s.jpg)
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well spotted Jess
i saw it too
it's gone now
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(http://omploader.org/vcGFu/lol.JPG)
again....
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why does he have +1 karma? no1 gave him positive karma and it says he has (+1/-18)
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A member who has deleted their account probz gave it to him/her
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perfect score, take that ummmmm of your profile thingo. It's still linking to http://www.freewebs.com/vogued/ your a total idiot.
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Hey, what is the issue with perfect score? Sorry i CBF reading 6 pages of posts.
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he keeps posting scam websites on his sig
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there's an issue with you to danieltennis
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Why are you so obsessed with me? Why can't you let go of the past man? Stop taking things too seriously.
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don't be a playa hata
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LOL
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your a total idiot.
do you want to repeat that? who are you to judge
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your a total idiot.
do you want to repeat that? who are you to judge
Why are they harassing you?
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your a total idiot.
haha oh really?
you're???
Who's the idiot now? :P
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your a total idiot.
haha oh really?
you're???
Who's the idiot now? :P
:P nice spotting costa
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your a total idiot.
haha oh really?
you're???
Who's the idiot now? :P
ownage
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btw danieltennis, i don't hold grudges. but you keep on posting silly comments like "if your heart desired etc etc" (yer i know :P) and that's just annoying. If you stop acting like an idiot then i'll have nothing against you.
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Fine, but if the threads get dull, i will spark it up.
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I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, danieltennis.
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Fine, but if the threads get dull, i will spark it up.
with what? useless, yet annoying posts? try contribute something that's worthwhile rather than philosophical mambo jumbo with little meaning.
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I cant make any promises, my friend
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I cant make any promises, my friend
yet you say ..
Why are you so obsessed with me? Why can't you let go of the past man? Stop taking things too seriously.
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B4L!!!
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this thread belongs to "Sweet Nothings"
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indeed it does
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Why are you so obsessed with me? Why can't you let go of the past man? Stop taking things too seriously.
Letting go of the past? If we all did that, the field of Law would be seriously dismembered (for lack of precedent).
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this thread belongs to "Sweet Nothings"
There's still a serious purpose behind it =o.
You did mean, split and then move to Sweet Nothings :P
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Lol, I sent perfectscore a rather calm PM asking him/her why the links existed on their profile and why they created another fake account, I got no response, but got negative karma for it:
perfectscore (+1/-20) jessie0 (+24/-2) - reasoned abuse in a PM
I might be wrong (unlikely), but the fact that there was no response/ justification at all just confirms my belief that they are just trying to scam. Meh.
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heh, not sure enwiabe has said anything about this as yet
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heh, not sure enwiabe has said anything about this as yet
He has asked perfectscore to remove previous links.
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Another dummy account: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=558
(http://omploader.org/vcGVl/unpaid2.jpg)
enwiabe: can you IP x-check please?
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Disregard IP check, match confirmed: http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,3814.msg45448.html#msg45448
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...and what a subtle user name! eous55_Utube id!
haha.
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ah omg so much talk about perfectscore just ban him from the site lol
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Is Pefectscore a guy or girl?
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No one knows.
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perfectscore is a guy, i bought those smartstudy methods books off him a while ago.
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No more perfectscore.
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We need his dummy accounts (kopite was one of them iirc?) such as eous_Utube removed too. I'd even go as far as to recommend an IP ban.
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ok we should just poll who wants perfectscore permanently banned, and majority rule?!lol
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We need his dummy accounts (kopite was one of them iirc?) such as eous_Utube removed too. I'd even go as far as to recommend an IP ban.
Not kopite.
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=39
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Urgh, not another one.
enwiabe: DO SOMETHING. Scammers are trying (but failing so far) to assimilate into a community of (relatively) impressionably youngsters.
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As far as I know, he's gotten rid of the links. If he persists with his scam then I will take further measures to prevent him from doing it again. There is no concrete rule about having multiple accounts so long as they're not trolling/being a nuisance. Instead of getting your panties in a bunch and trying to hang this person in a style very much reminiscent of a witch-hunt "MAJORITY RULES, GRAB YOUR TORCHES AND LET'S LYNCH HIM!!!!11", leave it to me. I know what I'm doing, and I'd rather not go down the lynching road.
That said, perfectscore, if you're reading this, you are walking a very thin rope here. I do advise that you do not continue to link to your scam websites. I acknowledge that you have stopped and thank you for that, but please do not continue in the future as shown by excal's screenshot. Such actions will be met with punitive responses.
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enwiabe - I'm referring to the dummy accounts that he has created:
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=558 (confirmed IP match)
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=39 (suspected) - blogspot page contains a reference to 'eous'.
These profiles still contain links.
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Mkay, all links have been removed - now put the torches down. Slowly. Slowly. Good boy.
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i prefer the lyncing we can sacrifice one person! LOL
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Mkay, all links have been removed - now put the torches down. Slowly. Slowly. Good boy.
Hah...but an IP ban will prevent any future problems, as whoever uses that IP is a known troublemaker. That is, unless, you're willing to keep a close eye on the IP for further accounts registered.
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???
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utube? what year are you in? are you even in vce?
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Year 12.
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Funny that your first post should be here.