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VCE Stuff => VCE Humanities => VCE Arts/Humanities/Health => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Geography => Topic started by: Chihiro on August 19, 2008, 09:33:15 pm
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Surely someone here must be doing geography?
.......Anyone?
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Don't worry.
No one does Renaissance or National Politics, which I do.
This means no one can be better than me. Therefore, I am the best on VN (in those particular subjects).
If no one does Geography, you are the best in that subject. :)
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heh, I remember geography being taken really seriously at my school, in yrs 7and8, but when it came to vce, only 5 people did it
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We have two classes of Geography at my school (it's quite popular for the year 11's). We got, I think, 4 or 5 above 40's in it last year.
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Aww... I wish I had Geography at my school... I always wanted to know if the world was round ever since grade 1... :)
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Don't worry.
No one does National Politics
No one?! NO ONE?!!!
*cries*
Pfft. :P
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I found someone! Yay!!!!!!!
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This means no one can be better than me. Therefore, I am the best on VN (in those particular subjects).
I like the way you think! I am the best on VN at Music Styles (to my knowledge)
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we have geography next year! should i pick it? does it get scaled up? any good?
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Umm so far this year it's been pretty dry and really lacked a lot of structure, though that's probably my teacher. However, Unit 3 involves a mandatory field trip so that's always good and some of the case studies we've been doing have been really interesting.
I think it got scaled up one last year, which is pretty suprising. I think it has the potential to be a really easy subject as it is mostly rote learning, like legal studies which I see you're doing this year. I'm hoping for 42+.
Any other secret Geographers lurking amongst our midsts? I'm sure there are, just don't want to admit to it...;)
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This means no one can be better than me. Therefore, I am the best on VN (in those particular subjects).
I like the way you think! I am the best on VN at Music Styles (to my knowledge)
Hehe, and I am the best on VN at Italian!
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yeh i did it last year, i got 50 dont mind helping u guys if u really need it.
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you did?! how? lol
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Yep im a geographer :) good subject. Im hoping for mid to high 30s will see how we go i guess.
And 50 WOW! Want to sit my exam for me?
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i'm doing it next year! (if the class runs)
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you did?! how? lol
bit of work throughout the year, but i didnt really do that much. 5 or so practice exams and some reading. Good advice is to do your own research, dont just rely on the book.
To the person who thinks you can rote learn the subject think again, look at the past exams, practically 50% of the exam was unseen data. Last years was an exception probably 25%. Hardly any of the questions they ask you are text-book style questions, a hell of a lot of it is application
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Hey!
have you got any tips on doing well in the Geo exam??!!
Because my teacher reallllly sux!!!
He completed a bachelor of Arts which makes him (technically) eligible to teach any humanities subject. (thats what he said) He didn't even study the subject (geo) at uni only at yr 12!!!!!
So i have a teacher who has never taught the subject nor has he ever taught a VCE subject!!!
Please help me!!!!!!
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you did?! how? lol
bit of work throughout the year, but i didnt really do that much. 5 or so practice exams and some reading. Good advice is to do your own research, dont just rely on the book.
To the person who thinks you can rote learn the subject think again, look at the past exams, practically 50% of the exam was unseen data. Last years was an exception probably 25%. Hardly any of the questions they ask you are text-book style questions, a hell of a lot of it is application
yer so far i've done 5 prac exams and i've received a 53 on the first, 57 on the second, 58 on the third and full marks for the last two. These were done in order of date. Also these are out of 60 and two of these are VCAA. did you get a statement of marks?
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what exams have you guys done? ive only done the 2 most recent vcaa ones because they have stuff on the mdb as well as a leading edge one which i could scan and upload if you like. has anyone done anything different/got other suggestions because ive run out of exams to do...
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amm you can do the vcenotes one that costa and firefly* put together?
i think that's how you spell it*
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I did Geo last year if any1 wants any help
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tips on the murray darling basin stuff please.
theres just so much info and I don't know what to remember.
what did you get?
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tips on the murray darling basin stuff please.
theres just so much info and I don't know what to remember.
Know 3 or 4 Case studies
Last year i made sure i knew
Cotton Growing (upper darling)
Rice Growing (Riverina)
Coorong and Lower Lakes
Salinity at various places in the mallee
know geographic characteristics for each place
potential conflicts and groups involved
policies and strategies
successfulness of these policies and strategies.
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I found someone! Yay!!!!!!!
make that two :)
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I found someone! Yay!!!!!!!
make that two :)
thats for pol i mean sorry
not geog :(
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Can someone post MDB notes?
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Hey,
I'm doing geog and loving it. Anyone got any predictions what might be on the exam? or more prac exams to do? I've run out :(
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I reckon it'll be a bit harder than last year. Umm I think they'll pull some swifty with the local resource, like a left of field question- all questions relating to it have been way too easy. Human population I'd imaine would have an interpretational question. Ummm not sure what else. In the lecture I went to, they stressed the importance of knowing how to use the 'higher order' spatial concepts such as spatial interaction and spatial change over time, so I'm learning a lot about them, like where they fit in to each area of study.
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does anybody have any good summaries or info about CONFLICT over water use in the MDB?
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Is anyone else doing desertification as their global phenomenon?
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Yes I am. Can this forum fire up a bit!, too quiet! I've almost learnt all my notes.
How are people structuring their evaluation of future MDB strategies?
And also for human population what case studies are you learning? I'm doing Kenya, Italy and China (do I need to know a response at a local scale?) How are you structuring these?
What's everyone aiming for? 44+ personally.
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i really have no idea what score im gunna get, aiming just to get above the state average. it will be a massive surprise for me on dec 15
for human population, im doing italy, china, and australia
feel free to post up any 'evaluate THIS' responses you've written, for MDB or population. id really like to see some from other people, theres very little to compare to.
I don't really think you need a local scale population.
if u want i can type up some of my population questions, but my MDB are fair bad.
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dont do china, people do it and they fail miserably look at the past assessment reports
china was in the past, even though the one child birth policy still exists it had its main effects 20-30 years ago.
Now china have a gender imbalance and an ageing population
so its kind of hard to talk about it being a mainly young country or an ageing country when so much shit is going on with its population.
Also make sure you know a response at a local scale, its examinable
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how about on the 07 vcaa exam? it asks for 2 countries that have implemented policies to manage an aspect of their population.
china brought in the one child policy to manage an increasing population/overpopulated country
and when i evaluate it, i always mention their gender imbalance - its good to address short term effectiveness, and long term problems
if it asks for an ageing population, ill do italy/australia
except you need something on the other end of the scale to them, which is china ? ?
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how about on the 07 vcaa exam? it asks for 2 countries that have implemented policies to manage an aspect of their population.
china brought in the one child policy to manage an increasing population/overpopulated country
and when i evaluate it, i always mention their gender imbalance - its good to address short term effectiveness, and long term problems
Exactly. That's what I've always done. Then again you did get 50 Ben so it's fair enough that you are a voice of authority.
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r u kidding?, China was in the past 30 years ago, there are plenty of examples of a young population
Kenya, Brazil, Pretty much any country in South America and Africa (that isn't overcome by aids) has a young population, do a bit of research.
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but i wouldnt refer to china for a young population question - chinas perfect to write about a change in population characteristics - brought about by a government policy with both short and long term impacts
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both short and long term impacts
any country has long and short term impacts and they are easy to find and identify,
this is why i was put off china (from various assessment reports)
“Some poor choices included just Europe, which was not specific enough
and included countries that did not have a declining population, China, Australia and Japan”
Less successful students failed to accurately identify the ‘aspect of their population’ that the strategy was addressing or identified them incorrectly. For example, ‘China’s One Child Policy was designed to reduce China’s population’ – in fact it was designed to reduce China’s population growth. There is a great difference between ‘population’ and population growth’ and students need to appreciate that precise language is needed.
Although some students referred to appropriate strategies in China, such as pensions and aged care facilities, there were also many who wrote about China’s One Child Policy. Most students who referred to China discussed responses to the One Child Policy and did not discuss the ageing population, which is a by-product of the One Child Policy. The One Child Policy was not a response to an ageing population but an attempt to reduce the rate of China’s population growth. Many responses appeared to have been pre-prepared and were presented without students understanding what they were writing. In a significant number of cases, the responses on the ageing population in China were adequate, but also included a lot of irrelevant information about why the One Child Policy had been introduced. China could have been a very good example of a country with an ageing population, but students needed to say what was being done to manage it.
you gotta be careful what you say and how u say it, the examiners will get peed off if say something in the wrong way with china
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hmm thats the thing with geog, you always seem to have to mention >9000 different factors and details, but you get a whopping 4 lines to do it in, and it's worth 2 marks.
"Most students who referred to China discussed responses to the One Child Policy and did not discuss the ageing population, which is a by-product of the One Child Policy."
whats wrong with saying
china introduced the one-child policy to manage a high rate of 'population growth'
mention more details about its aim to limit the popN to 1.2billion by the year 2000
then talk about how it was very effective in the short-term, as the fertility rate dropped to 1.7, which is below replacement levels
then about how in the long-term, due to societal wants of a male, the population is estimated to have the number of bachelors increase from 50million to 70million by 2025
why would we need to mention 'the ageing population, which is a by-product of the One Child Policy'
EDIT: btw, im not attempting to argue, i'm just trying to make sense of the info i DO know, and have been taught throughout the year by my teacher. would be a bit of a bitch to turn around and forget china after the work i've done on it, and everything ive been taught.
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^^ Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat.
And I can see what nicklaz is saying, as long as you specifically stipulated 'population growth' and built upon this through quantification, then I can't see how you could go very wrong.
Thanks for offering advice though Ben, it's really handy to have a 50 student amongst our midst!!
Editss: Ben, what are the parts of the course that you recommend learning exceptionally well?
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if you think you know it inside and out and you feel your 100% correct about every aspect of the policy and consequences of it then by all means go for it.
I was trying to show that its such a complicated scenario that if you are irrelevant in your response or use incorrect titles such as population instead of population growth they will mark you down for it. I chose when I did it to have a clear cut response, two for ageing (italy and australia) and one for a young population (kenya) cos really they are the only two kinds of population change you are going to be tested on.
Have a look at the assessment report, those responses to the population questions are what I wrote. I didn't use stuff that other people used, like few people knew that in Kenya the fertility rate increased in the 1990's which the book failed to mention. I just went a bit extra and researched it further and came up with my own stuff which was different an accurate. One thing assessors like is someone that is different and shows a solid understanding of what the question is asking. With china cos theres so much to know you might be inclined to go off topic or mention something irrelevant that draws away from your response.
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Fair enough actually. Though I still think China is possible.
If they ask for a response on a local scale, is Australia okay or does it have to be more specific ie Shepparton?
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BOX HILL!
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yeh you gotta say local like a city or municipality, the one in the book is shit about shepparton is shit
go to a local council website find a policy on retirement or ageing, or on the other side children and a young population, (i did the knox city council early years plan) and research it.
Did u want me to write up a post about stuff u need to know?
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and also ben, im a tad confused about Australia's super-annuation strategy thingo
Is this an accurate statement?
"it allows working adults to make a pre-tax deposit from their salary into their super-fund... it is a financial incentive available to all and promotes economic self-reliancy among the ageing population. It reduces the economic burdon on the gov etc.."
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Did u want me to write up a post about stuff u need to know?
That would be ace =] !!
Now I'm worried though, I never really focusedon a local response and I don't think I'd have time to learn a new one..
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yeh thats pretty good, but are you talking about the 9 or so % compulsory super that is mandatory paid by employers
or voluntary contributions by people into their super fund?
edit: lol chihiro i made one the day before the exam, plenty of time just have a look on a council website they are easy to finde
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voluntary contributions made by people, which are tax-free - meaning an incentive to make bigger contributions thus taking pressure off the government when they become old fogies.
and yeah, i'd love you to tell us anything you want- don't feel obliged to though. however, know that i appreciate it, and will definately find it extremely useful!
i often wish this forum was full of people discussing geog, like the methods one.
it's great to hear thoughts and info from other people, especially somebody who got 50!
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Yeah I know. Dedicated geog stalwarts are few and far between. And I really need to do well in it after the raping I received at the hands of methods today.
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voluntary contributions made by people, which are tax-free - meaning and incentive to make bigger contributions thus taking pressure off the government when they become old fogies.
spot on and you might hate english but this is the perfect time to use it well. Say something like "reduces the dependency-ratio", keep the stuff like "incentive" make it sound like you know what you are talking about.
Also I don't know if the government still do this, but when I did geog last year the howard government used to match super contributions dollar for dollar up to $1500
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i really hate the way in this subject, you need to show the examiners "you know what you're talking about" lol - why cant it just be 1 mark - stating the policy, 1 mark - giving evidence, 1 mark - evaluation
but i suppose if you have the detail to do that.. you usually are capable of writing in a way that shows you "know what you're doing"
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let's talk about the MDB guys!!
theres no way i learn better, than reading shit other people have said on internet forums.
i guarantee when i get into the exam i'll have a mental image of all the advice in this thread, and will be able be able to quote it word for word.
i have a bizarre memory
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What are people doing for their global phenomenon?
And what are people writing on for their conflict within the MDB?
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If the question says outline a policy, do we just have to outline the policy and its stratergies? Or then do we have to evalute it? Keep in mind this is only a 3 mark question.
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I'm doing global fishing, i think i've got a pretty strong grasp on it atm.
and if it says outline a policy, just outline it. make sure you read the instructional terms in questions properly
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desertification.
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I was thinking the mark allocation meant you had to mention three things. And btw what year are all you guys in?
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Hey, just with Australia's ageing population/declining birth rate, I'm not quite sure why this is the case. With Italy I've got 4-5 solid, quantified reasons but I;m struggling with Australia. Can someone help me out or lead me to a site/publication that has some facts.. Thanks.
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add me to msn ill send u some shit
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Do you really think we need more than 2-3 factors for each case studies
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This is great guys. Ive been neglecting geog in favor of my other top 3 so i need to put in a big last minute effort before Friday. And Im doing desertification ;)
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I was top Geography student and was sent for national competition but my school doesn't have Geo in VCE... I wanted to move school but teacher influenced me to stay....>,<
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How many case studies are people learning for 'conflicts over water use in the murray darling basin region'?
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I'm using the barrages at the coorong and plug the pipe. May do another for a third backup.
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Hey,
I do geography!! It is one of my best subjects :) 10 people do it at my school (in year 12). For the most part I really enjoy it and find it very relevant to our lives. I'm hoping for at least a 45 :S We'll see how that goes....
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Yo I'm doing VCE geogrpahy through Distance Education at Parkdale Secondary (outer-south east Melbourne.) My teacher is a tough marker, he is a bit of perfectionist. So far I've been a marked a High (top end of high he says), Very High, and I am waiting on my result for the most recent SAC.
How is everyone else going? Do you think geography will be marked up?
Does anyone know how the SAC 2 essay for unit 4 will be set out, and whether it will include information from both units?
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Yeah Geography is my favourite subject. I imagine that the exam will be very competitive and difficult though.
SAC's vary from different schools, so I couldn't tell you how it will be be set out.