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National Education => Admissions tests => UMAT => Topic started by: bonghead on November 13, 2007, 08:47:54 pm
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Has anyone done the Umat this year? If so what were your results like? What thoughts do you have about the integrety/validity of the test?
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The UMAT is pretty wierd/retarded/luck/no luck test.
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Yeah, true that. I didn't do the UMAT but I had quite a few friends who did. One worked her butt off because she really wanted to get into Med. and got a pretty disappointing score. The other one did it just because he could, winged it, and got a really good score that could get him into Med. if he wanted - though he doesn't want to. I don't think the UMAT's a very good indicator of hard work which is a shame because I know quite a lot of people who would make amazing doctors (or any other profession that requires a good UMAT score) through sheer hard work. I could be wrong here, but it shouldn't be about somebody's ability to pick out the odd shape or whatever else. For that matter, I don't think it's necessarily a very good indicator of somebody's intelligence either. I know somebody who got a 99 raw as an ENTER and is pretty much the lovechild of Einstein and well, whoever else is smart hahaha and got a pretty shoddy UMAT score.
One friend summed up the UMAT as: 'you've either got it, or you don't.' It sounded a bit defeatist to me but I really can't judge since I haven't done it myself.
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i hated it because i went really badly in it which has screwed me up for uni. I believe some of the questions in section 2 are open to personal interpretation. And section 3 wtf how is it relevant to real life not to mention health science.
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Yeah, true that. I didn't do the UMAT but I had quite a few friends who did. One worked her butt off because she really wanted to get into Med. and got a pretty disappointing score. The other one did it just because he could, winged it, and got a really good score that could get him into Med. if he wanted - though he doesn't want to. I don't think the UMAT's a very good indicator of hard work which is a shame because I know quite a lot of people who would make amazing doctors (or any other profession that requires a good UMAT score) through sheer hard work. I could be wrong here, but it shouldn't be about somebody's ability to pick out the odd shape or whatever else. For that matter, I don't think it's necessarily a very good indicator of somebody's intelligence either. I know somebody who got a 99 raw as an ENTER and is pretty much the lovechild of Einstein and well, whoever else is smart hahaha and got a pretty shoddy UMAT score.
One friend summed up the UMAT as: 'you've either got it, or you don't.' It sounded a bit defeatist to me but I really can't judge since I haven't done it myself.
I could not agree more with everything you said.
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Do you think its possible to prepare for the questions on the Umat?
Would it really help?
Theres been a shitload of controversial opinions and veiws expressed by various sources and im not sure who to believe.
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Do you think its possible to prepare for the questions on the Umat?
Would it really help?
Theres been a shitload of controversial opinions and veiws expressed by various sources and im not sure who to believe.
I'm not sure. My friend who worked her butt off did that whole UMAT preparation thing last year AND this year. I saw her going nuts over all these questions and she didn't really get a good UMAT score. Not a horrible one, mind you, but it wasn't one that could get her into Med. And, like I said, the one who got that awesome score did diddly squat. But there are heaps of other factors that could come into that, I suppose. I guess you could probably prepare in the sense that you should probably get used to the questions so that you get in the right frame of mind for answering them. Maybe learn to think more analytically or logically or whatever that thing tests...however, in the end, the questions are going to be different to the questions that you practise. It's pretty much like doing an IQ test, in my opinion. Can't really study for that.
Hehe, sorry. That's not really helpful. I think, however, that if you want it really bad, you may as well do the preparation. There's no harm in trying :)
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That must be dissapointing for your friend. Is she still going to get into med. What ranking did she get/need? I only got in the bottom 30% and i needed to get into the top 20% for pharmacy :shock: lol at least ill take a gap year next year and have another go at the umat.
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That must be dissapointing for your friend. Is she still going to get into med. What ranking did she get/need? I only got in the bottom 30% and i needed to get into the top 20% for pharmacy :shock: lol at least ill take a gap year next year and have another go at the umat.
She's set her sights on behavioural neuroscience now. I'm not sure, sorry. I didn't really ask because she didn't seem like she was in the mood to tell me. She called and she sounded really bummed and said she got herself a really bad UMAT score and nowhere near what she needed to get. And then we left it at that and then we changed subject because she didn't want to dwell on it anymore. She WAS disappointed, but she says that behavioural neuroscience could be one avenue that would take her into Med. so she hasn't given up hope :]
Yeah, go for it :) I wish you all the best. I'm sure you'll do well :):):)
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Do you think its possible to prepare for the questions on the Umat?
Would it really help?
Theres been a shitload of controversial opinions and veiws expressed by various sources and im not sure who to believe.
I did it this year ... I hated it so much. Stupid thing lol
I did the medentry prep course ... it helped me in that I was exposed to lots and lots of possible questions ... not to mention a few of the medentry practice qs somehow ended up on the real UMAT :P ... however despite spending all that money on that course I still somehow completely misjudged my time and ended up literally guessing half of the exam (since once a section is over you're not allowed to go back to it at all, I just coloured in random circles lol :()
In the end it's up to you and whether you're willing to spend that much money on a course which might not end up actually helping you. I know people who didn't do a course and ended up getting scholarships for medicine. However I also know people who did the course and did awesomely.
Good luck :)
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ninwa:: howdy fellow medentry student. I too was surprised at the repeated question though it did take me a few seconds to register where i'd seen them before.
Well... i supose there is the gamsat to look forward to for some of us lol :(
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ninwa:: howdy fellow medentry student. I too was surprised at the repeated question though it did take me a few seconds to register where i'd seen them before.
Well... i supose there is the gamsat to look forward to for some of us lol :(
hello :)
lol, I saw those qs and I sat there smirking :P and wasting time :(
what on earth is the gamsat? it doesn't sound very nice ...
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I didn't do any prep course. Ideally the UMAT is to predict your intelligence regardless of hard work - your 'stock' abilities if i may put it as that. I got a near perfect UMAT score so i guess i'm in a good position for Med.
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I don't really understand the point of the UMAT. Seems like a weird selection criteria to have. Oh well, if it's the university's decision to select based on it, they have the right to.
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I don't really understand the point of the UMAT. Seems like a weird selection criteria to have. Oh well, if it's the university's decision to select based on it, they have the right to.
I get the point of it: to select people who aren't just smart, but also have the traits a doctor is supposed to have, e.g. empathy, problem solving etc.
I just don't get how the UMAT is an indicator of being a "good doctor" later on. I know a couple of people who would be wonderful doctors, far more passionate about it than I am, and would probably make better doctors than me, who didn't do as well on the UMAT. Seems to me the UMAT is almost cutting out as many potential doctors as it is selecting.
/rant
sorry, I just really don't like the idea of the UMAT :P
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I don't really understand the point of the UMAT. Seems like a weird selection criteria to have. Oh well, if it's the university's decision to select based on it, they have the right to.
I get the point of it: to select people who aren't just smart, but also have the traits a doctor is supposed to have, e.g. empathy, problem solving etc.
I just don't get how the UMAT is an indicator of being a "good doctor" later on. I know a couple of people who would be wonderful doctors, far more passionate about it than I am, and would probably make better doctors than me, who didn't do as well on the UMAT. Seems to me the UMAT is almost cutting out as many potential doctors as it is selecting.
/rant
sorry, I just really don't like the idea of the UMAT :P
But do they actually think that they are inherent traits that cannot be taught to some degree?
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That's what I think too. Passion for the career can't be taught; empathy and problem solving can.
UMAT must die :P
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Yeah, well: if universities think that's how they'll get their best applicants, that's what they should do. However, if universities believe there is untapped potential in people who did not do well in the UMAT, but have shown great VCE discipline, then it is also in their best interests to make sure these people are offered a spot too. It's all about allocation of resources, the university definitely wants to give their places to the smartest students, and if someone really believes there is great potential in these people who have not passed the UMAT, they could open a medical school that enrols these people (or invest in a university to open spots for them, and reap the rewards).
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I personally dislike the fact that nearly all medical schools require a good UMAT score. Then there are all these Prep Courses that say they can help you achieve a better Umat score.
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Yeah, well: if universities think that's how they'll get their best applicants, that's what they should do. However, if universities believe there is untapped potential in people who did not do well in the UMAT, but have shown great VCE discipline, then it is also in their best interests to make sure these people are offered a spot too. It's all about allocation of resources, the university definitely wants to give their places to the smartest students, and if someone really believes there is great potential in these people who have not passed the UMAT, they could open a medical school that enrols these people (or invest in a university to open spots for them, and reap the rewards).
I like that idea!
Melbourne does something like that ... entry to medicine has 3 streams apparently ... a UMAT stream, an ENTER stream and a combined stream. So you can do really well on UMAT and get an ok ENTER and get in, or get an awesome ENTER and average UMAT, or do quite well on both.
It's weird ... I've heard of people getting 96 and getting into medicine and people who got 99 didn't ...
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hey guys, i sat the umat this year too, and it can suck, definetly
But aspiring for medicine is a path that ebbs and flows with dissapointment, elation and motivation. I did terribly on the UMAT, 161 (210%) with an overall score of 54, and i thought i was gone, and my year (i re-entered year 12 specifically for med) was wasted
I'm a rural student, so i'm lucky, which we all need sometimes .to be lucky that is. I've got interstate interviews in jan at the moment (UNCLE & UNSW), so it's a good reminder that victoria is a difficult state to get into medicine. It will be much harder next year due to melbourne cutting undergrad med to become more internationally appealing . .but that's another topic of discussion all together.
Just remember to exhaust all options with applications, i know it's very limited and exceptionally competitive as an undergrad, but any advantage you can find will help. Just because you bombed out on the umat, does not mean yo can't be a doctor a surgeon, it means you have to wait. And wait you should, nobody can tell you can't be, and certianly not ACER and their stupid fuckin test.
And it is stupid, the ranking may well be relative, but as some prospective med students will tell you, some of their friends did very well. Some of these freinds happen to be complete morons. Personally i completed an IQ test two months before the UMAT, very similar questions, and got 165. On another one recently, 138. It's all relative to the questions, and the cohort though . .
But all of that fades away when you get an interview offer, regardless of how shithouse your umat is, you're still in the game, and that's all you need to be.
Adelaide re-invites some previously rejected applicants who got over 99.00 for interview
Melbourne weights section one of the umat
A QLD uni, not sure which, reckons the umat is a croc of shit and don't use it
Monash weights the umat less than interview
Newcastle is almost 100% interview for admission, the umat can be a subranking, and the ENTER is a cut off of 93.8
UNSW has probably the lowest umat cutoffs of any uni, if you predict a high score for yourself, which you should!! the UAI predictor can get you an interview with a umat score like me in general applicant schemes
Rural kids should laugh at the umat, seriously, i totally ballsed up the umat and UNCLE and UNSW patted me on the back and said "there, there simpleton" come anyway. Being rural is awesome. I hear from monash this week whether or not they're gonna pat me on the back and join my umat pity train
So don't worry, it can work out for you if you search every nook and cranny for some conceivable advantage. Be prepared to ring the faculty, and move interstate, it could pay off.
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Yeah, well: if universities think that's how they'll get their best applicants, that's what they should do. However, if universities believe there is untapped potential in people who did not do well in the UMAT, but have shown great VCE discipline, then it is also in their best interests to make sure these people are offered a spot too. It's all about allocation of resources, the university definitely wants to give their places to the smartest students, and if someone really believes there is great potential in these people who have not passed the UMAT, they could open a medical school that enrols these people (or invest in a university to open spots for them, and reap the rewards).
I like that idea!
Hehe, I was promoting the free-market solution, as opposed to what some people would instantly snap to: "the government should intervene and tell universities how to best select their students!"
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Rural kids should laugh at the umat, seriously, i totally ballsed up the umat and UNCLE and UNSW patted me on the back and said "there, there simpleton" come anyway. Being rural is awesome. I hear from monash this week whether or not they're gonna pat me on the back and join my umat pity train
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I seriously hope your right. My only hope to get into monash is to play the pity card due to my shitty umat score. They are really going to have to believe that im some poor, blind, insulated guy who has no idea about the goings on around him haha. I feel guilty winging about my poor situation because personally i dont feel as if ive been disadvantaged at all, especially in regard to the umat. Seeing as its a supposed IQ test your performance should depend on your own intellect not your environment or schooling. Do you think monash will fall for the whole disadvantaged rural thing? They could react differently to the other uni's?
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Monash weights the umat less than interview
Really??? How do you know??
Then there's hope for me after all. I JUST got an interview. Literally. The cut-off was 59 raw and I got 59 raw :oops:
So if I do well on the interview it should make up for it? Yay :P
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Monash weights the umat less than interview
Really??? How do you know??
Then there's hope for me after all. I JUST got an interview. Literally. The cut-off was 59 raw and I got 59 raw :oops:
So if I do well on the interview it should make up for it? Yay :P
Yeh monash favour a good interview and solid ENTER (med solid, so at least 98 ) over UMAT
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I seriously hope your right. My only hope to get into monash is to play the pity card due to my shitty umat score. They are really going to have to believe that im some poor, blind, insulated guy who has no idea about the goings on around him haha. I feel guilty winging about my poor situation because personally i dont feel as if ive been disadvantaged at all, especially in regard to the umat. Seeing as its a supposed IQ test your performance should depend on your own intellect not your environment or schooling. Do you think monash will fall for the whole disadvantaged rural thing? They could react differently to the other uni's?
Monash, UNCLE and UNSW love rural kids
UNSW and UNCLE have entirely seperate schemes for them to apply
Monash have the DRL, which will invite another 60 kids for interview, they'll only like you if you say "yes, i'd really consider working in a rural area". As for that scheme, they will invite applicants with lower UMAT scores than required for the general stream. the cut-off was 59 and i got 54, so if i gt one, it would be cutting it close. The only thing is, this scheme can stil be competitve, and your ENTER would still need to be 95-98, i have heard of kids getting lower, but they had outstanding interviews
Apparently according to medentry, monash weight like:
ENTER: 40%
UMAT: 20%
INT: 40%
**Apparently
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I see. Do you know how much emphasis the victorian college of pharmacy (under monash) place on the umat? Would their stance be any different from mainstream monash?
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hey everyone, yeh i did the umat, but i also went to medentry like a few other people here ahha
i found it was helpful to do it because they exposed me to the style of questions that may be asked, plus their online ranking system was against other people who i guess were also motivated to do their best for it so that was alright.
i ended up with an overall percentile of 90, the sum of the sections was 253. raw score 178
my best section was the 3rd one (98th percentile) haha the one where people dont see the point of :P, although my schools careers counsellor told me that dentistry places emphasis on that section so yay i guess :)
i doubt my enter will be anywhere near the score needed for dentistry at melb uni, so i applied to adelaide, queensland and western australia as well. but section 1 was my worst so i was knocked back by western australia for an interview haha i was outside the top 20 percent for it so yeh... i got an interview for adelaide though.
anyone else get interviews?
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the UMAT is a crock of shit to say it straight out.
it does not test for doctor abilities. my uncle is a paediatric neurologist and i gave him a practice test to and he couldn't understand section 3 and failed overall. go figure.
the whole empathy crap is a farce. if it was on empathy there would be psychoanalysis or something like that, not a multiple choice.
i'm fairly bitter about the test. i did some course before and worked my arse off and got a bad score and had been gunning for med, while a girl at school gets a 250 and has no interest whatsoever, whereas i wanted to work with the red cross in refugee camps in africa. yeah it tests for empathy, my arse.
the UMAT is more stringent than any other test and for good reason, so uni's ensure they don't have to read resumes or sit through thousands of interviews.
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I didn't do the umat, I don't suppose someone could post up an example of a question that tests empathy? Just curious
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well you can't because the test doesn't test empathy. its understanding people and the correct answer is taken by ACER from a phone poll or something of that ilk. so what the majority gives as the answer is correct
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i'm fairly bitter about the test. i did some course before and worked my arse off and got a bad score and had been gunning for med, while a girl at school gets a 250 and has no interest whatsoever, whereas i wanted to work with the red cross in refugee camps in africa. yeah it tests for empathy, my arse.
lol, same here, I worked so hard for this stupid exam, my parents paid like $700 or something for medentry. I only just scraped an interview but I highly doubt my interview skills or my ENTER score will be fantastic enough to make up for my UMAT score.
I'm similar to you except I was going to join umm .... doctors without borders (EDIT: M?decins Sans Fronti?res :P). And I know people who got very high UMAT scores who only want to become doctors because they'll get lotsa money. Bullshit the UMAT selects people with "doctorly" characteristics.
My mum is a doctor. She thinks the UMAT is a pile of crap and that there's nothing in there that uni can't easily teach you later *sigh*
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I didn't do the umat, I don't suppose someone could post up an example of a question that tests empathy? Just curious
Well I guess by empathy you mean section 2 .... so here's a "typical" sort of section 2 question:
Bob's wife, Mary, has been in hospital recovering from a heart attack. The doctor informs Bobs that she is now well enough to return home, although she will need to 'take things easy for a while'.
Bob: I'm glad she can come home now Doctor, but I'm not sure I can look after Mary by myself. We live on our own, you know.
Doctor: Bob, it's natural to feel a little anxious, but the best thing for Mary will be to be back in her own environment.
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In his response, the doctor has
(a) not realised that Bob is concerned.
(b) not really dealt with Bob's concerns.
(c) responded to Bob's concerns effectively.
(d) made Bob feel bad about being concerned.
Following the doctor's reply, Bob is likely to feel
(a) relieved.
(b) empowered.
(c) embarrassed.
(d) apprehensive.
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woahh just trying to answer those 2 Qs gave me a headache, i loathe these type of things especially knowing if you got the first one 'wrong' the second one will be too
id say c and d, whats the 'answers'?
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Is it B and C? LOL Well that's what I think.
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oh wow they're actually health sciences related questions, i thought it was more general.
id say b and d? whats the answer?
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I'm similar to you except I was going to join umm .... doctors without borders (EDIT: M?decins Sans Fronti?res :P).
yeah i was looking into that too. well theres always post grad med, or i could work in advocacy with biomed/law...
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lol melanie you're right :P it's B and D
I still think they're absolutely stupid questions.
Here's another stupid section 2 one:
Elaine is an 89-year-old widow who has lived independently for the past 20 years. She has become very frail and has had a fall resulting in hospitalisation for a broken hip. Since the fall she has had great difficulty walking. The doctor is reluctant to release her from hospital until she can find accommodation in a setting where nursing care is available. Elaine tells the nurse that she is quite capable of looking after herself and is adamant that she is going home.
Which response by the nurse will best help her to deal with Elaine's reluctance to accept supported accommodation?
(a) Talking to Elaine about the available options and inviting her to discuss her concerns about her future.
(b) Explaining to Elaine that 24-hour nursing care, healthy meals and an appropriate exercise program are just what she needs.
(c) Reassuring Elaine that there are many good quality accommodation arrangements that will enable her to stay as independent as possible.
(d) Indicating that she understands Elaine's reluctance to give up her home but feels it is necessary, as Elaine must have nursing care.
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i used to want to do the medecins sans frontieres type thing, i still kind of do, but i dont think i have enough motivation to get through that many years of medicine.. therefore there are probably people that want it more than me. i still want to work in ngos etc, but ill probably do it through more of a law pathway i suppose.
i prob wouldnt have gotten the score for medicine even if i had tried this year. not that i am for law either, but ill get into arts and transfer. nothing really motivated me enough to try hard and excel. oh welle
eta;ahah woohoo i can answer a question. i must qualify to be a doctor now :!:
for the second question. C?
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I'd say it's either A or C, learning towards A
But then, my people skills are utter crap =D
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yeh it defs could be A too. id bet either one of those two. id said C because im not sure ahha. probs wrong
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Its not about your people skills. UMAT is a game of luck.
Sadly, though next year i will be having to do it. Only JCU accepts students without UMAT.
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Answer is A.
Clearly you people would make better doctors than me :cry:
Its not about your people skills. UMAT is a game of luck.
QFT
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I especially hate Section 2. Section 3 is just a click/not click moment in your head. And it is an intense 2 hours.
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I hate all the sections. But section 1 makes the most sense to me.
Section 2 seems so damned subjective and mind-reading-ish - how the hell am I supposed to know what someone is thinking? Everyone is different, feelings don't follow a rule :roll:
Section 3 is gay cos I suck at it :P
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You can spend so much time and money on UMAT and still stuff up big time.
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I hate all the sections. But section 1 makes the most sense to me.
Section 2 seems so damned subjective and mind-reading-ish - how the hell am I supposed to know what someone is thinking? Everyone is different, feelings don't follow a rule :roll:
Section 3 is gay cos I suck at it :P
section 3 is the only one I've seen people practise for at school/before this week at all :P, in study period. I liked those because I could work most of them out, and then had to explain them because the silly umat book they were using didn't have explanations to the answers. Some of them I guessed and couldn't explain though xD
section 1 looks good.
do you have more section 2 questions? just to see if I can do them. Because in RL I would definitely be useless at it. I'm just curious to see that, if all other features of spoken language are removed (eg stress, intonation, pauses, non-fluency features (um), 'body language') and I am left with only the discourse, if in that situation I am better at working out what other people are feeling. Even though these are scripted/fake situations (I hope) it is a reflection of RL and should still be useful.
(sorry for my use of english language words! *goes to corner as punishment*)
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Section 1 is a bit tight on time though.
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AHHH MY EYES! NOT ENGLISH LANGUAGE MUMBO JUMBO!!
... ahem. anyway.
all the sections were tight on time for me in the UMAT ^^ although yes, section 1 was the worst seeing as I only finished half of it -.-
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section 1 is tough if you can't read quickly or you can't process info fast :P
hence why i didnt do well in it haha.
section 3 is really the only one you can practice for (as mentioned above) because theres generally a pattern you can follow, and after a while you become more aware of what to look out for.
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UMAT2008 will be held on Wednesday 30 July 2008.
:o
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Those section two questions seem more like a language ability and interpretation test than an "empathy" one. I got them all right and I'm definitely not doctor material (I get sick when people just talk about arteries, listening to someone sniff/sneeze/cough makes my eyes start to water and I fainted when we were watching a video about hepititis C in year 7, lol).
Just thinking, there is a shortage of rural doctors yet lots of perfectly capable applicants are turned down for medicine. Couldn't there be an admission program for people who could potentially be good doctors but who didn't get the marks to become med students on condition that they agree to work in rural communities for at least 3 years prior to graduation or something?
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Those section two questions seem more like a language ability and interpretation test than an "empathy" one. I got them all right and I'm definitely not doctor material (I get sick when people just talk about arteries, listening to someone sniff/sneeze/cough makes my eyes start to water and I fainted when we were watching a video about hepititis C in year 7, lol).
Just thinking, there is a shortage of rural doctors yet lots of perfectly capable applicants are turned down for medicine. Couldn't there be an admission program for people who could potentially be good doctors but who didn't get the marks to become med students on condition that they agree to work in rural communities for at least 3 years prior to graduation or something?
There is a scheme exactly like that, in fact several
Bonded med places ensure students work in a designated area of need equal to the number of years of their course
Medical rural bonded scholarships (MRBS) allocate $23,000 a year to students who agree to work in rural area for 6 years after their course
Almost all unis have rural entry schemes or admission lists
Monash and melbourne have an extended rural cohort scheme in which students undertake 5 of their 6 clinical semesters in a rural area
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lol, that's good then. It's ridiculous how some rural areas have a shortage of doctors/dentists/mental health professionals/etc., I'm glad that unis are doing something about it.
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A question....
I have been considering Pharmacy at Monash as a course but because 58% of people who took the UMAT beat me, I'm considering Engineering....
but what if....
-I get an ENTER of 95+
-Get the required study scores in my subjects
-Have applied for SEAS (special consideration) in two catergories....
even though i have a crap umat score, would the university offer me a place?
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A question....
I have been considering Pharmacy at Monash as a course but because 58% of people who took the UMAT beat me, I'm considering Engineering....
but what if....
-I get an ENTER of 95+
-Get the required study scores in my subjects
-Have applied for SEAS (special consideration) in two catergories....
even though i have a crap umat score, would the university offer me a place?
depends i guess, you might want to ask the uni to see how much weighting they have on the UMAT
for instance i know that Monash's selection in med is heavily based on the UMAT, so pretty much screw up the UMAT and you won't get considered regardless of how good your ENTER is. On the other hand UoM are more likely to disregard a poorish UMAT if your ENTER is awesome.
don't know if it is the same for pharmacy but more than likely it will be
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Considering the inept medical students that plague hospitals like vermin nowadays, i think its safe to say the umat has very little to do with potential or ability in the medical field. im not sure what would be a better replacement....maybe an undergrad course. an innate sense of logic means little in the big scheme of things, and it can be faked anyway with a good umat course. i think that if the enter score is borderline, then umat should be taken into account.
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bebobebo, if i may say with no offence intended, you are in year 11, so i wouldn't think you'd have the experience to call med students inept. They are underskilled definently, but that's the point.
I can only assume then, that you are refering to communication skills and ability to work under their supervisiors properly, sure that might be the case in some places, but to call it an infestation is highly generalistic. Uni of melbourne don't interview candidates so these skills are not assessed
What do you mean undergrad course?
Med is undergrad at most unis in Australia
An innate sense of logic can mean a lot, logic skills are assessed in an interview, especially at monash where one must perform a de-tech excercise. A person whose skills are more innate reacts more natrually to an interviewer and comes accross as more confident. An innate sense of logic can acelerate your learning of the various modules during the foundation years of the course. Each uni weights the UMAT differently anyway. James Cook uni reckons it's a crock of shit and they ignore it all together. Univeristy of Newcastle only use UMAT as a subrank in final selection, and infact nearly every other university gives the most or equal most weight to the interview. The only university which doesn't do this s melbourne, and their course ceases to take students via this pathway next year
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ive done a few weeks of work experience with medical students and have heard from numerous sources that they dont measure up to overseas students. being layman and all, by undergrad i meant what melb uni is doing by making a general 'biomedicine' course prior to medicine. being a yr 11 and all, all im saying is that there might be better ways to assess potential students' suitability than trivial trivium.
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*Bump for 08ers*
UMAT = Load of Shite.
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UMAT = Undergraduate Molesting Aptitude Test :)
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UMAT = Undergraduate Molesting Aptitude Test :)
LMAO.
For ppl who criticise the UMAT, they have to make the test a bit tough because u obviously need to seperate the ppl at some stage, those who wanna get in and those who dont. Sure everyone reckons they have the desirable qualities, but not every1 can bcum a doctor or wateva.
I think its excellent because since its tough, it tests ur ability to perform under pressure, which is wat docs are often faced with in real life.