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Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 14, 2007, 01:23:02 pm
Yes, I know I have created this thread pre-maturely, but I wanted to be the one to create it! :P
Title: Re: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 14, 2007, 01:37:18 pm
Quote from: "joshuamorgan"
Yes, I know I have created this thread pre-maturely, but I wanted to be the one to create it! :P


Haha fair enough :)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 14, 2007, 01:37:35 pm
I r gud at t3h biz.

And I wanted to be the first to spam in it. :D I win :D
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 14, 2007, 01:39:46 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
I r gud at t3h biz.

And I wanted to be the first to spam in it. :D I win :D


Haha :P

Hmm since this is the exam thoughts thread... what type of questions do you think they'll ask?
I have a feeling that they might not ask for both a motivational theory or change theory, so far the trend seems to me one of them not both :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 14, 2007, 01:45:28 pm
I think they'll ask everything.

Maybe not obscure stuff like 6 sigma or the 7S framework (which I don't know and don't intend to cram on the day).

Certainly simple definitions, employment cycle, change but I suppose more specifically APPLICATION.

For example, how a front-line manager would handle change, or what they would do in decision-making.

That would be the bummer. But you know it's gonna come up.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 14, 2007, 01:51:17 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
I think they'll ask everything.

Maybe not obscure stuff like 6 sigma or the 7S framework (which I don't know and don't intend to cram on the day).

Certainly simple definitions, employment cycle, change but I suppose more specifically APPLICATION.

For example, how a front-line manager would handle change, or what they would do in decision-making.

That would be the bummer. But you know it's gonna come up.


True, i hope they just asked something i havent studied lol... i'll end up making crap up then ..
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 14, 2007, 01:55:14 pm
Quote from: "Odette"
Quote from: "kingmar"
I think they'll ask everything.

Maybe not obscure stuff like 6 sigma or the 7S framework (which I don't know and don't intend to cram on the day).

Certainly simple definitions, employment cycle, change but I suppose more specifically APPLICATION.

For example, how a front-line manager would handle change, or what they would do in decision-making.

That would be the bummer. But you know it's gonna come up.


True, i hope they just asked something i havent studied lol... i'll end up making crap up then ..


Don't worry! As long as you mention the words "efficiency" and "profitability" you should get at least a mark.

i.e. I don't know what HRM is, but here goes...

HRM is the management of the human resource function. Effective management will lead to happier employees, and higher productivity as a result.

Yeah I know it's actually the management of the employment relationship. But it does sound plausible, no?
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 14, 2007, 01:57:30 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
Quote from: "Odette"
Quote from: "kingmar"
I think they'll ask everything.

Maybe not obscure stuff like 6 sigma or the 7S framework (which I don't know and don't intend to cram on the day).

Certainly simple definitions, employment cycle, change but I suppose more specifically APPLICATION.

For example, how a front-line manager would handle change, or what they would do in decision-making.

That would be the bummer. But you know it's gonna come up.


True, i hope they just asked something i havent studied lol... i'll end up making crap up then ..


Don't worry! As long as you mention the words "efficiency" and "profitability" you should get at least a mark.

i.e. I don't know what HRM is, but here goes...

HRM is the management of the human resource function. Effective management will lead to happier employees, and higher productivity as a result.

Yeah I know it's actually the management of the employment relationship. But it does sound plausible, no?


I dont think you'd get a mark for that ... maybe the effective management part but not HRM is part..

It's like saying market share is a share in the market :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: elaine on November 14, 2007, 04:45:42 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
Quote from: "Odette"
Quote from: "kingmar"
I think they'll ask everything.

Maybe not obscure stuff like 6 sigma or the 7S framework (which I don't know and don't intend to cram on the day).

Certainly simple definitions, employment cycle, change but I suppose more specifically APPLICATION.

For example, how a front-line manager would handle change, or what they would do in decision-making.

That would be the bummer. But you know it's gonna come up.


True, i hope they just asked something i havent studied lol... i'll end up making crap up then ..


Don't worry! As long as you mention the words "efficiency" and "profitability" you should get at least a mark.

i.e. I don't know what HRM is, but here goes...

HRM is the management of the human resource function. Effective management will lead to happier employees, and higher productivity as a result.

Yeah I know it's actually the management of the employment relationship. But it does sound plausible, no?


haha that is so true- if in doubt, mention effeciency, profitability, effectiveness or productivity.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: KryptoN_ on November 14, 2007, 07:45:17 pm
Dunno if you guys have seen this but: http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/exams/examcovers2007/Oct_Nov_2007_exam_covers/2007busman-cov.pdf

3 questions :D. I hope it's a similar length to the 2005 exam :).
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: elaine on November 14, 2007, 08:27:26 pm
awesome- 3 questions! but they'll just be really looong

2005 exam was awesome
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 14, 2007, 10:27:06 pm
"omg todays exam was soo hard ! i rekon i failed!!!"

sorry i wanted to be the first to say how the exam was  :P
even if im 2 days early =)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 14, 2007, 11:30:06 pm
LOOL.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 15, 2007, 06:17:08 am
Quote from: "costargh"
"omg todays exam was soo hard ! i rekon i failed!!!"

sorry i wanted to be the first to say how the exam was  :P
even if im 2 days early =)


1 year early, more like it?
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 09:23:47 am
lol yeh pretty much

im nurturing business next year. Im making that bitch my 50!!! haha probz not but i wanna kill it though. from what i heard its soo easyyy just need to remember stuff
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 15, 2007, 09:47:06 am
Quote from: "costargh"
lol yeh pretty much

im nurturing business next year. Im making that bitch my 50!!! haha probz not but i wanna kill it though. from what i heard its soo easyyy just need to remember stuff


Remember stuff and apply it to real life situations :P
Don't worry I'll help you get a head start to business if you like... I might send you a few resources to help you :)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 10:55:54 am
Why thankyou Odette.
You're far too kind =)
cheers lover xox lol
^^^ dont take that the wrong way haaha
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 15, 2007, 11:01:07 am
Quote from: "costargh"
Why thankyou Odette.
You're far too kind =)
cheers lover xox lol
^^^ dont take that the wrong way haaha


I wont lol :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 04:45:06 pm
(k)
hehe

Anyone wanna be a plumber? My dad wants an apprentice haha
Bloody skills shortage making his old bones break
Woops off topic haha
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 15, 2007, 04:46:27 pm
Quote from: "costargh"
(k)
hehe

Anyone wanna be a plumber? My dad wants an apprentice haha
Bloody skills shortage making his old bones break
Woops off topic haha


Lol...
Me i want to be one ;) haha
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 04:51:14 pm
Lol grr. i think i have to work with him over the holidays to give him a hand. on top of hungry jacks. 2 years and going strong =)

-the burgers are better @ hungry jacks :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 15, 2007, 04:52:57 pm
Quote from: "costargh"
Lol grr. i think i have to work with him over the holidays to give him a hand. on top of hungry jacks. 2 years and going strong =)

-the burgers are better @ hungry jacks :P

Aww lol... speaking of which mums getting me some this evening :P..
I might end up working at a Subway over the summer holidays ahhhh! lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 15, 2007, 04:54:01 pm
LOL, make a new thread in the 'General Non-VCE Discussion' forum, you lazy bastards... 8)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 15, 2007, 04:56:46 pm
Quote from: "joshuamorgan"
LOL, make a new thread in the 'General Non-VCE Discussion' forum, you lazy bastards... 8)


It's related to business... well kind of lol so its ok =]
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 15, 2007, 04:58:40 pm
Lol yeh!
Hungry Jacks is a mult-national company!!! (branch of of burger king) =P

so its business related haha
subways yum
illl sway u some hjs burgers for some subs?  :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 15, 2007, 05:01:46 pm
Quote from: "costargh"
Lol yeh!
Hungry Jacks is a mult-national company!!! (branch of of burger king) =P

so its business related haha
subways yum
illl sway u some hjs burgers for some subs?  :P


Alright, sure thing =] lol ..

Subway, eat fresh :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: ankit123123 on November 15, 2007, 08:23:44 pm
damn, where is the rest of the paper, we want more than just the front cover ! = p

im going to die tomorrow. ARGH.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 06:59:56 am
Quote from: "ankit123123"
damn, where is the rest of the paper, we want more than just the front cover ! = p

im going to die tomorrow. ARGH.


Aww nah, you'll be fine, don't stress :)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 16, 2007, 08:01:30 am
ZOOOOMG, theres like only 2 hours to go.

Ok, now i'm nervous...

--------------------Lets see how this goes-------------------------------------------
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 08:03:48 am
Quote from: "AppleXY"
ZOOOOMG, theres like only 2 hours to go.

Ok, now i'm nervous...

--------------------Lets see how this goes-------------------------------------------


Aww don't be nervous, you know your stuff =]
Trust me I know ^_^ I read your practice exam paper hehe...
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: costargh on November 16, 2007, 09:00:12 am
GOODLUCK EVERYONE!!!!

I have a strange feeling that Odette is trying to get to 1000 posts before her exam haha
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 09:24:10 am
Quote from: "costargh"
GOODLUCK EVERYONE!!!!

I have a strange feeling that Odette is trying to get to 1000 posts before her exam haha


Lol yeah I am ... 4 more left :P woot woot ... !!
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 09:28:41 am
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD LUCK EVERYONE I KNOW YOU'LL DO WELL !! =]

Remember to read each question carefully and remember to use definition, explanation and example =]
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 16, 2007, 10:00:53 am
:o in 45 MINUTES PEOPLES!, in 45 good long heartstopping kneestapping  minutes!
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 16, 2007, 01:16:00 pm
WHATS UP PEOPLES?!!?!!!! THAT EXAM, ONLY 3 QUESTIONS, IT WAS MY DREAM COME TRUE PPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOPLES! I AM SO HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPY! PROLLY LOST LIKE 3-5 MARKS. MAN THAT WAS THE S*T! WOO. WOO. WOO. :P

what did people write for the motivation question! and the driving forces. I wrote shareholders and employees for the conflicts views :)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Nick on November 16, 2007, 02:00:24 pm
Quote from: "AppleXY"
WHATS UP PEOPLES?!!?!!!! THAT EXAM, ONLY 3 QUESTIONS, IT WAS MY DREAM COME TRUE PPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOPLES! I AM SO HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPY! PROLLY LOST LIKE 3-5 MARKS. MAN THAT WAS THE S*T! WOO. WOO. WOO. :P

what did people write for the motivation question! and the driving forces. I wrote shareholders and employees for the conflicts views :)



THAT EXAM WAS BLISS!!!

Motivation question- David McClelland's 3 types of motivation- I said that all her strategies would appeal to one or more of the motivations stated in his theory.

Driving forces- Management
Restraining forces- what did you put for that?? I put Unions- because they'd be almost removed from the bargaining process due the decentralisation.

Conflict- Employees would agree with the change, as it enhances flexibility etc. Unions would oppose it- limits their power.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 16, 2007, 02:19:39 pm
Unions oppose the change?

I assumed the change was from AWAs to Enterprise Bargaining.

Unions support the change!

Anyhow, the exam was TOO SIMILAR to last years!!!
Otherwise, it went smoothly. Last question was worded weird, but otherwise, no major dramas.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Nick on November 16, 2007, 02:39:35 pm
Why would unions support it? Enterprise bargaining basically removes their right to negotiate because its done between management and employees- their role is basically removed, so they can't support the workers.

AWA's are a form of enterprise agreements- they are the same thing.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 02:41:01 pm
AHHH I HATED THAT EXAM... NO MENTION OF THE DECENTRALISED SYSTEM AND CENTRALISED SYSTEM!!!

Anyways overall it was too easy :P ... but i finished like 10mins before :)
Lucky though, i had time to fix the last qn lol... =]

How did everyone else go??

I think I might have gotten 58+/60 lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 16, 2007, 02:42:16 pm
Enterprise bargaining can be done with union representatives. It is a group form of agreement as opposed to individual AWAs.

In short, for unions, Enterprise Bargaining > AWAs.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 16, 2007, 02:43:30 pm
Quote from: "Odette"
AHHH I HATED THAT EXAM... NO MENTION OF THE DECENTRALISED SYSTEM AND CENTRALISED SYSTEM!!!

Anyways overall it was too easy :P ... but i finished like 10mins before :)
Lucky though, i had time to fix the last qn lol... =]

How did everyone else go??

I think I might have gotten 58+/60 lol


omg... confident.

I thunk aigh mite git scayled doyne kvite a beet
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 02:46:19 pm
It's collective agreements that unions can get involved in not AWAs =]
Enterprise bargaining consists of: AWAs,CAs
I think so, correct me if i'm wrong :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 02:48:46 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
Quote from: "Odette"
AHHH I HATED THAT EXAM... NO MENTION OF THE DECENTRALISED SYSTEM AND CENTRALISED SYSTEM!!!

Anyways overall it was too easy :P ... but i finished like 10mins before :)
Lucky though, i had time to fix the last qn lol... =]

How did everyone else go??

I think I might have gotten 58+/60 lol


omg... confident.

I thunk aigh mite git scayled doyne kvite a beet


Nah, it's just i gave it all i had lol... hope they dont think i cheated or something :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Nick on November 16, 2007, 02:50:46 pm
Enterprise bargaining consists of: AWA's, Collective Agreements. There is no difference. And it didn't mention the workers were already on AWA's at all? I don't understand what you mean sorry.

Enterprise bargaining can be either AWA's or Collective Agreements.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 02:52:28 pm
Quote from: "Nick"
Enterprise bargaining consists of: AWA's, Collective Agreements. There is no difference. And it didn't mention the workers were already on AWA's at all? I don't understand what you mean sorry.

Enterprise bargaining can be either AWA's or Collective Agreements.


Exactly that's why i didnt mention unions :P i said something about employee's attitudes(restraining) and management (driving)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 16, 2007, 02:52:30 pm
I should have written "VCAA is socially irresponsible because their exams frequently cause mental anguish to the majority of 50,000 students who are the future of society. With such high-ranking government departments destroying the minds of our young, what are we teaching them to be? This unethical behaviour must be stopped, as human rights to happiness are being breached on average 30 days every year."

Too bad. I'll just have to get marks for my real response then.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 16, 2007, 02:53:35 pm
Quote from: "Nick"
Enterprise bargaining consists of: AWA's, Collective Agreements. There is no difference. And it didn't mention the workers were already on AWA's at all? I don't understand what you mean sorry.

Enterprise bargaining can be either AWA's or Collective Agreements.


I think I lost a couple of marks.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 16, 2007, 02:57:26 pm
I never comment on exams/tests until I receive my results :P

I was however able to provide detailed answers for every question (I also utilized the entire 'extra space' part at the end of the paper), apart from the human resource strategies question - that stumped me (simply can't remember it) so I just made up some bullshit. :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 16, 2007, 03:03:39 pm
lol, same, i was like "uh-oh" so i just explained about Shortlisting and interviews

Hope its riight.

For Driving forces, i put competitors. And Restraining Forces the mistrust between management and employees because it would be hard to implement change, hence, it wouldn't be sucessful or effective without proper procedures etc etc.


I put Maslow. (self-esteem)

yeah.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 16, 2007, 03:13:01 pm
Hah, yeah - I crapped on about being a socially responsible company would attract many applicants and that sufficient job analysis - with the development of appropriate job description/specification would attract the appropriate person to fill the job.

For driving forces I wrote down the manager - it stated in the case study that he wanted to implement enterprise margaining to improve productivity and the relationship between managers and employees.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 03:25:04 pm
Hey guys and girls would they accept 2 HR strategies as 2 different methods of recruitment? (internal and external) ?? I wasn't too sure
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 03:51:15 pm
Anyone ?? Lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: KryptoN_ on November 16, 2007, 03:52:15 pm
Quote from: "AppleXY"
lol, same, i was like "uh-oh" so i just explained about Shortlisting and interviews

Hope its riight.

For Driving forces, i put competitors. And Restraining Forces the mistrust between management and employees because it would be hard to implement change, hence, it wouldn't be sucessful or effective without proper procedures etc etc.


I put Maslow. (self-esteem)

yeah.


You do realise the question referred to recruiting? Recruiting is all those activities involved in forming a pool of applicants from which to select the most appropriate. What you've discussed is selection.

As for me, I thought it was a bitch :(, but then again, I'm always negative.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Trigger_003 on November 16, 2007, 04:29:58 pm
Does anyone know the exact question there?
Hmm. Come to think of it, I guess you could have written about background checks, interviews, etc. of those from the pool, but I always considered those to be lumped into the one HR strategy.
I wrote about diversity management and rewards management, both enhancing the performance and creating an EOC status, with diversity having the added benefit of say, cultural perspective creating a better experience for international guests. Those kinds of people could be considered to be 'best for the business' in that regard, which is the logic I took.

If the first was intended and not enough people addressed it or they have enough complaints, they may always take another look at the question and reconsider the possible answers if it seems ambiguous.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 04:34:54 pm
Think it was something about 2 HR strategies that could be used in recruiting staff... not sure =]
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: KryptoN_ on November 16, 2007, 04:49:03 pm
Aren't background checks and interviews selection strategies?

Edit: btw I'm pretty sure it asked for HR strategies which will allow them to recruit the best people.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 04:54:40 pm
Quote from: "KryptoN_"
Aren't background checks and interviews selection strategies?

Edit: btw I'm pretty sure it asked for HR strategies which will allow them to recruit the best people.


Oh thats the qn lol ...
Well i guess the wording is what confused people ...
I guess to recruit and recruitment are slightly different...
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Trigger_003 on November 16, 2007, 05:01:02 pm
Yeah they are selection strategies, but selection is part of the employment cycle which just so happens to be under HRM. It's open to interpretation I guess.

Lol that's what I was thinking the question was too - Odette freaked me out! Hopefully we're right... makes more sense for them to ask that imo.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 16, 2007, 05:33:58 pm
I was surprised at the remarkable similarity between this paper and last year's. No "big" change management question (damn), similar questions...

Strange of VCAA.

Also, with the Enterprise bargaining question, I assumed that the workers were on AWAs to base my answer (I indicated so as well as it wasn't given in the case study).
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 05:36:24 pm
I guess if you mentioned that unions could be a restraining force if the company introduced AWAs(explaining what AWAs are) it should be fine.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: JamieV5N on November 16, 2007, 06:28:21 pm
The exam overall was pretty easy. I am happy with how I went. Hoping for around 57+ ... We'll see in just over a month!! :P
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: elaine on November 16, 2007, 06:31:21 pm
how do we access our results?
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: JamieV5N on November 16, 2007, 06:33:39 pm
On Monday 17th December... at 7 am... we can use http://results.vcaa.vic.edu.au ... and login using our VTAC number.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 06:35:21 pm
Quote from: "elaine98"
how do we access our results?


you can wait for the letter :P or go to the link that jamie suggested and for the scaled score go into vtac =]
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: joshuamorgan on November 16, 2007, 06:53:44 pm
Quote from: "elaine98"
how do we access our results?


As you're in Year 11, like myself, the 'VTAC PIN' is simply your date of birth. For me, for example: 6th October = 0610. You can register for SMS service (which is what I am doing, the Results site is likely to be slooowwww). Details are here: http://vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce_results_enter.html
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 16, 2007, 06:59:22 pm
:oops: forgot she's in year 11 lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 16, 2007, 07:09:13 pm
BSSS, SO I WAS WRONG?! but recruitment, i don't get it, it should be apart of selection. FUCK.

noo, i can't get it wrong. Oh well. Now i'm stfed :p


The 6 mark question was extremely weird. Extremely.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Trigger_003 on November 16, 2007, 08:08:03 pm
Recruitment IS part of selection lol. It's also one of the HR strategies (no 6: http://freestudynotes.com/VCEforum/viewtopic.php?t=272). I guess it only really depends on how you put it. Stop being a drama queen dude - a 42+ raw only needed an 80.8% score last year. You're fine![/url]
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 16, 2007, 10:29:52 pm
I did fairly well, yes the last question was very weird I kind of procrastinated on it because I had 20 minutes to spare lol it was just so oddly worded.  Anyway i'm pretty sure I sussed it out and got it right, don't ask me what I wrote because I can't remember but I know it related.

I soo wanted a question to discuss an organisation you've learn on management of change.  All there was was the elements and I did Australia Post.  And also, I know I got the second defintion wrong "best practice' ahah oh well, all in all good exam
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Juztine on November 16, 2007, 10:31:46 pm
overall the exam was ok...no necessary inclusion of real life example OMG!

but there were 2 i was quite iffy with...lol what did people write for HR strategies to recruit the best applicants? i think i got that wrong. and also, negative and positive of TWO aspects of EB & SR? eh ?

btw i think to succeed in BM exam you can't under-bs or over-bs...you have to get it justtt right
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 16, 2007, 10:33:37 pm
Quote from: "Juztine"
overall the exam was ok...no necessary inclusion of real life example OMG!

but there were 2 i was quite iffy with...lol what did people write for HR strategies to recruit the best applicants? i think i got that wrong. and also, negative and positive of TWO aspects of EB & SR? eh ?



I said a job description/job specification, and background checks of potential employees to check possible gaps in employment history and past offences?  Hopefully its ok
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 16, 2007, 10:47:26 pm
LOOOOL. DRAMA QUEEN. lol i'm not a drama queen. i'm just passionate about losing marks, it irritates me alot :p

lol i'm sorry. :p woo ...
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Juztine on November 16, 2007, 11:04:18 pm
Quote from: "igs07"
Quote from: "Juztine"
overall the exam was ok...no necessary inclusion of real life example OMG!

but there were 2 i was quite iffy with...lol what did people write for HR strategies to recruit the best applicants? i think i got that wrong. and also, negative and positive of TWO aspects of EB & SR? eh ?



I said a job description/job specification, and background checks of potential employees to check possible gaps in employment history and past offences?  Hopefully its ok


ohhh phew lol. yeah i said make a job analysis that would attract suitable applicants...and the 2nd one i said empower existing employees to allow for devlopment of skills for career advancement ?? dunno if thats right tho :S
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 16, 2007, 11:16:42 pm
Quote from: "Juztine"
Quote from: "igs07"
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overall the exam was ok...no necessary inclusion of real life example OMG!

but there were 2 i was quite iffy with...lol what did people write for HR strategies to recruit the best applicants? i think i got that wrong. and also, negative and positive of TWO aspects of EB & SR? eh ?



I said a job description/job specification, and background checks of potential employees to check possible gaps in employment history and past offences?  Hopefully its ok


ohhh phew lol. yeah i said make a job analysis that would attract suitable applicants...and the 2nd one i said empower existing employees to allow for devlopment of skills for career advancement ?? dunno if thats right tho :S


Yeah its open to interpretation, as long as you aruge it right you're fine.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 17, 2007, 10:16:30 am
Yeah, if you justify your answer then you should be fine as long as it is a HR strategy of course ;)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 17, 2007, 11:14:41 am
I'm worried because BM is just so godamn easy that everyone would have done well, minus those who don't give a damn.  No wonder it gets scaled down massively.  Hopefully a 36-37 scaled, but I can just picture getting the results and it being 33 or something lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Juztine on November 17, 2007, 11:23:10 am
Quote from: "igs07"
I'm worried because BM is just so godamn easy that everyone would have done well, minus those who don't give a damn.  No wonder it gets scaled down massively.  Hopefully a 36-37 scaled, but I can just picture getting the results and it being 33 or something lol


hahah yeah...though I think the exam was relatively easy to the majority of us on here..simply cause we give a damn. My Bm class I am probably only 1 of 3 people out of a class of 30 that want to actually do well in the subject. Honestly the rest of my class get <50% everytime in the sacs and after the exam, they all came out asking me things like, "what the hell is a service firm" etc.

so yeah...let's hope the rest of the state is like that as well  :shock:
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 17, 2007, 11:28:31 am
Yeah, most people in my class didnt even attempt the exam, and some left questions out...
After the exam i was asked (by someone who i was competing with all year in SACs) what operations management was, i was like you're kidding right, like seriously people who don't even do bus.man know what operations management is...

What is this world coming to lol!!
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 17, 2007, 12:09:34 pm
What is the world coming to?  Who cares! that makes me feel good.  I'm surprised  how many people doing their exams just don't give a damn, especially going to a private school, what have your parents been paying the money for? I guess thats what my motivation was, doing well for mum and dad, and myself of course
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 17, 2007, 01:07:34 pm
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What is the world coming to?  Who cares! that makes me feel good.  I'm surprised  how many people doing their exams just don't give a damn, especially going to a private school, what have your parents been paying the money for? I guess thats what my motivation was, doing well for mum and dad, and myself of course


Yeah same here :)... it's just sad to see people waste their potential like that
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Nick on November 17, 2007, 05:13:28 pm
Quote from: "Trigger_003"
Recruitment IS part of selection lol. It's also one of the HR strategies (no 6: http://freestudynotes.com/VCEforum/viewtopic.php?t=272). I guess it only really depends on how you put it. Stop being a drama queen dude - a 42+ raw only needed an 80.8% score last year. You're fine![/url]


What do you mean to get 42 raw you only needed 80.8? How do you find that out?
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 17, 2007, 06:43:00 pm
VCAA publish their grade distributions at

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2006/statssect3.html

This tells you what sort of scores you need for a certain grade.

It's not 42. It's "drop 11 marks in BM and get a ~40 raw".

This is very favourable. a 20% A+ range is MASSIVE when compared to other more competitive subjects.

Again, too many duds do BM, which is good for us generally (sorry to those that thought it was hard, don't be offended, I mean those that don't try at all).

I think the most easiest marks lie in the elements of an operations system. 4 marks for free! Inputs, Processes, Outputs. What's so hard?!
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Nick on November 17, 2007, 08:11:38 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
VCAA publish their grade distributions at

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2006/statssect3.html

This tells you what sort of scores you need for a certain grade.

It's not 42. It's "drop 11 marks in BM and get a ~40 raw".

This is very favourable. a 20% A+ range is MASSIVE when compared to other more competitive subjects.

Again, too many duds do BM, which is good for us generally (sorry to those that thought it was hard, don't be offended, I mean those that don't try at all).

I think the most easiest marks lie in the elements of an operations system. 4 marks for free! Inputs, Processes, Outputs. What's so hard?!


95% of people doing bus man would be duds. That definately was 4 marks for free! Bus man is embarrassingly easy...

Yeah I know about the grade distributions, I'm just interested as to how you can work out "40 raw" derives from losing 11 marks? Sorry if this sounds dumb but I don't understand how you worked that out.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 17, 2007, 08:14:56 pm
You're not the only one Nick, I don't know either :oops:
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 17, 2007, 09:21:17 pm
Quote from: "Odette"
You're not the only one Nick, I don't know either :oops:


This is like terribly nerdy... so here goes! (I'm turning into coblin)...

Odette, you do further. VCAA's Study Scores are normally distributed with a mean (average) of 30, and a standard deviation of 7.

If you use a calculator, the probability of getting above 40 is approximately 10%.

In most subjects, the chance of getting an A+ is also 10%.

So, we can similarly conclude that 10% of people get A+ and get 40.
Consequently, as the cut-off for a BM A+ is dropping 11 marks, hence dropping 11 marks almost assures you of a 40.

Unfortunately, VTAC rectifies that absurd situation though by immediately kicking you in the groin, saying "LOL!!!" a couple of times, kicking you in the groin again and then scaling you down three points for good measure.

This only affects about 51% of the BM population, however. The other 49% simply get scaled down three points.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 17, 2007, 09:25:24 pm
Oh i get it lol... thanks mate :)
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 18, 2007, 12:45:14 am
Unrelated, but still can't get over the fact that english drops a point if you get 35-37ish. WTF? what is the point?  and BM going down 3 even if you get 40-42.  VCAA is bullshit
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 18, 2007, 08:26:55 am
Quote from: "igs07"
Unrelated, but still can't get over the fact that english drops a point if you get 35-37ish. WTF? what is the point?  and BM going down 3 even if you get 40-42.  VCAA is bullshit


You're not an attentive kid. I just said VTAC scale you down, not VCAA. There is no point in blaming VCAA, they simply correct your exams and provide a raw score, which VTAC then scale.

Sigh...

The point of scaling is to make everything equitable. Of course, English is compulsory so most do it. Essentially, at the lower study scores, there are duds that do English that scale the subject down. Say, they get 35 in English, but on average 33 raw in other subjects. English goes down two. This is simplified, but an example of the system.

BM is similar. Too many dud students do BM, get insane scores but in their other subjects screw up big time. BM scales down to reflect these duds. It's the way it is, so get a 50 to avoid scaling. Simple.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 18, 2007, 08:49:15 am
Man, I wish bus. man wasn't scaled so harshly. It means that I have to get 43 raw to get 40 scaled... urgh. :(
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 18, 2007, 09:47:59 am
Aww curse you bus.man lol ... i think i've lost a few marks... so possibly 47 for me maybe lower :cry:
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 18, 2007, 10:12:05 am
Sorry dude I don't really pay attention, both have 4 letters both start with V
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 18, 2007, 02:37:34 pm
Oh btw guys and girls... i probably wont be on fsn when results come out... so ill share the result the minute im free =] lol

Anyways qn: if i lost say 2 marks on the exam what study score am i looking at??

Oh and btw what did everyone say the benefits of conducting a SWOT analysis were??

Thanks guys and girls ^_^
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: kingmar on November 18, 2007, 02:54:35 pm
Quote from: "Odette"
Oh btw guys and girls... i probably wont be on fsn when results come out... so ill share the result the minute im free =] lol

Anyways qn: if i lost say 2 marks on the exam what study score am i looking at??

Oh and btw what did everyone say the benefits of conducting a SWOT analysis were??

Thanks guys and girls ^_^


50 if not 48+ knowing your SAC scores.

I wrote the benefits of a SWOT analysis as assisting in the process of planning, and detailed a few objectives that they achieved that had to be planned for that a SWOT analysis could have identified.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 18, 2007, 02:57:16 pm
Quote from: "kingmar"
Quote from: "Odette"
Oh btw guys and girls... i probably wont be on fsn when results come out... so ill share the result the minute im free =] lol

Anyways qn: if i lost say 2 marks on the exam what study score am i looking at??

Oh and btw what did everyone say the benefits of conducting a SWOT analysis were??

Thanks guys and girls ^_^


50 if not 48+ knowing your SAC scores.

I wrote the benefits of a SWOT analysis as assisting in the process of planning, and detailed a few objectives that they achieved that had to be planned for that a SWOT analysis could have identified.


Awesome thanks ^_^

I just outlined how a SWOT analysis would assist in planning... is that right? lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 18, 2007, 03:20:57 pm
Haha I totally screwed the SWOT, totally wrong, how many marks was it?
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 18, 2007, 03:22:06 pm
I think it was like 3-4 marks not too sure =]
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 18, 2007, 03:46:38 pm
Damn thats a few, hopefully it may be two?  I talked about a strength of the company (internal) and an opportunity (external) of the company which sounds totally wrong lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 18, 2007, 03:55:09 pm
Quote from: "igs07"
Damn thats a few, hopefully it may be two?  I talked about a strength of the company (internal) and an opportunity (external) of the company which sounds totally wrong lol


Nah that's kind of right ...
Strengths and Weaknesses (internal)
Opportunities and Threats (external)

^_^
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: AppleXY on November 18, 2007, 03:55:13 pm
I wrote for SWOT

- Allows the business to identify its position in the Internal/External Environments
- Allows educated plans to be brought up
- Then the business can select the right one.


And SACs mean jack. I heard of person from BoS who was av. in SACS and got 100% for the exam which yielded him a 50.
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 18, 2007, 03:55:57 pm
Quote from: "AppleXY"
I wrote for SWOT

- Allows the business to identify its position in the Internal/External Environments
- Allows educated plans to be brought up
- Then the business can select the right one.


That's right :)  :D
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: igs07 on November 18, 2007, 04:10:21 pm
Yeah your marks are weighted more to your exam.  I know a kid in English last year who was getting 'Competent' all year, the 3rd lowest from 'Outstanding' and got a 39 in English.

So for the SWOT i'll hopefully get half the marks fingers crossed
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 19, 2007, 06:39:49 pm
Yeah maybe ^_^ good luck lol
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Nick on November 22, 2007, 08:25:57 am
For the first question it was a MOTIVATIONAL theory we had to explain wasn't it? Not a change theory? Because everyone is saying they wrote about Kurt Lewin and he is a change theory...
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Odette on November 22, 2007, 08:53:33 am
Quote from: "Nick"
For the first question it was a MOTIVATIONAL theory we had to explain wasn't it? Not a change theory? Because everyone is saying they wrote about Kurt Lewin and he is a change theory...


Yes it was a motivational theory lol ... ^_^
Title: Exam Thoughts [2007]
Post by: Trigger_003 on November 22, 2007, 08:54:57 am
There was a motivational theory in there. If I remember rightly, there wasn't a change theory we had to specify as such anywhere in the paper.
EDIT: Beat'd