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VCE Stuff => VCE Business Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Business Management => Topic started by: chubz90 on September 09, 2008, 05:02:50 pm
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hey guys, i got my sac back today and i was quite happy with my score, although one thing i dont get...
Okay i only lost one mark through the whole SAC but i dont know why, it just seems so stupid to me.
This was the question, 'Refer to the newspaper article opposite and give reasons why valued workers are less likely to take time off. In my answer i said that if workers have high morale they are less likley to take less time off [or somthing along those lines]. And what the teacher did was cicle 'morale' and write next to it define. Now the thing is the question was worth two marks and i recieved one, which i dont think is fair also considering i wrote a good slab. The thing is the SAC had very little to do with the word morale,nor was it a business term studied within that area of study or hell throughout Business studies. I mean she has confused the hell out of me, when do i define and when dont i. I spend soo long defining all the possible terms that im always last to finish. I'm just gonna go bonkers here. :uglystupid2:
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have you talked about this with your teacher?
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Did you say why they would have high morale?
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Ha! Ok what you need to remember is this.... 1. Define key words in the question, 2. Define any words which a business related in your answer.
Although at UNI LEVEL this isn't required. -grins- Got introuble on Monday for it Dx
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Ha! Ok what you need to remember is this.... 1. Define key words in the question, 2. Define any words which a business related in your answer.
Although at UNI LEVEL this isn't required. -grins- Got introuble on Monday for it Dx
Are you sure that is required?? I mean, I can't see the point of you answering a question and then defining all the business terminology..
e.g.
The increase in staff morale, the attitude of the staff to the work and the organisation, has boosted the organisations competitiveness, the way in which an organisation strives to deliver products that are beyond that of their competitors, and hence, their productivity, the amount of output per worker input, has increased. Overall, because of the increased morale, the organisations competitiveness, productivity and furthermore, their corporate culture - the shared values and beliefs of staff within an organisation, have all developed and made the organisation an employer of choice - oh, which is an organisation thhat attracts and retains staff of a higher calibre than its competitors :) :) :) :) :).
I don't think its necessary to define all the "business terms" you mention in your response - cos' as you can see it adds complexity and added mess to your answer.
In regards, to chubz90 first post - I think your teacher is wrong - just argue that you thought you didn't need to define morale because it was clearly not directly related to the question and hence, by having it in your answer and linking it back to the question it demonstrates that you know what it means and have the ability to incorporate it into your answers.
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From what I see in your summary of your answer, you never related 'valued workers' to 'morale', but you said you wrote a slab so I guess this doesn't apply if you did. If you didn't, well yeh, you're meant to relate the two since they're not synonymous; one is an effect of the other. So either an explanation or definition should have done the job.
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Just the main words, not every single term.... sheesh -.-
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Yeh, but its just hard to know where to draw the line between 'main words' and just...words? I mean, he got penalised for using morale which seems to most like a pretty standard word after all, not a key business term...but yeh, my post above explains it...i think.
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Yeah, well I would interpret main words to mean key words stated in the question. I don't see the point in defining words that are not actually in the question.
Just the main words, not every single term.... sheesh -.-
Yeah.. but you did say that he should "2. Define any words which a business related in your answer. "
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OK OK LET ME CLARIFY!
Define words RELATING to the AOS, that you use in your answer.... Make sense?
That's my advice, take it or leave it.
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have you talked about this with your teacher?
mmm... not reallyDid you say why they would have high morale?
yep
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I think i will bug the teacher again the next time i have her. But honestly, this isnt the first time. Everytime im very close to a perfect score for a SAC she will always find somthing stupid to point out and take marks away for. Probably she doesnt want to show VCAA that she is an easy marker having someone get full marks or whatever. ehh, ill ask her again for a proper reason why.
But yeah it just confuses the hell out of me, her marking style.
*Odette any such experience with you?
*Jsimmo- you understand what i mean :P
*Not really related, but costa whats with the new profile?
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OK OK LET ME CLARIFY!
Define words RELATING to the AOS, that you use in your answer.... Make sense?
That's my advice, take it or leave it.
I'm sorry but it doesn't make sense and I don't agree with your advice.. but as you say i'll just leave it.
Why are you getting angry (e.g. your caps).. i'm only trying to provide my own advice as well.
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Yes she would down grade me because I did that, so I think if you do what I mentioned earlier you'll get full marks. ^_^
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Yeah i spoke to her today sort of- and shes like yeah it would be considered an important term. I tried putting my point accross that other terms throughout the SAC where mentioned and not really explained but i lost no marks for them and that it was not specificaly in the AOS but frankly i dont think she cared. ehh, im not gonna get into an argument with the teacher over the point, even though she cant really justify her marking [i know it and im sure she does to]. The thing is other kids wrote a crappy respose and amazingly got the full 2 marks, i guess it all depends on the mood of the teacher at the time. On the same note~ its a kind of scary considering the prospect of the examiners marking the exams and the apparent mood they may be in. Anyways its all good i suppose. ::)
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Oh well, good on you for trying! It's a great mark anyway!
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Well theres an easy way around that - just be extremely (excessively?) detailed. We're going through the revision period now in class with our teacher teaching us how to write answers, and we've gone to the extent of pretty much providing 3 points for even a bloody 1 mark question, which I reckon is stupid but well, yeh as my teacher said, its pretty damn good insurance to ensure that you don't lose any marks. And hey, I guess its worked in the past given MHS's BM history...
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NOT FAIR!!! I WANT A 50 FOR BM!!! GIVE ME DETAILDNESS :@
lol
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Yeah i spoke to her today sort of- and shes like yeah it would be considered an important term. I tried putting my point accross that other terms throughout the SAC where mentioned and not really explained but i lost no marks for them and that it was not specificaly in the AOS but frankly i dont think she cared. ehh, im not gonna get into an argument with the teacher over the point, even though she cant really justify her marking [i know it and im sure she does to]. The thing is other kids wrote a crappy respose and amazingly got the full 2 marks, i guess it all depends on the mood of the teacher at the time. On the same note~ its a kind of scary considering the prospect of the examiners marking the exams and the apparent mood they may be in. Anyways its all good i suppose. ::)
the exam gets marked by more than one person doesn't it?
or is that just for english
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Yeah i spoke to her today sort of- and shes like yeah it would be considered an important term. I tried putting my point accross that other terms throughout the SAC where mentioned and not really explained but i lost no marks for them and that it was not specificaly in the AOS but frankly i dont think she cared. ehh, im not gonna get into an argument with the teacher over the point, even though she cant really justify her marking [i know it and im sure she does to]. The thing is other kids wrote a crappy respose and amazingly got the full 2 marks, i guess it all depends on the mood of the teacher at the time. On the same note~ its a kind of scary considering the prospect of the examiners marking the exams and the apparent mood they may be in. Anyways its all good i suppose. ::)
the exam gets marked by more than one person doesn't it?
or is that just for english
Yeah, it gets marked by two people and then the two scores out of 60 are joined together to give you one mark out of 120
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For every subject, I think every exam is marked twice, although there may be cases where its only once. My bio midyear last year definitely got marked by two (hence my half mark). But still, even if its marked by two, every subjective mark lost is still well...HALF a mark lost..and that could add up eventually...It doesn't really fix the problem
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Well theres an easy way around that - just be extremely (excessively?) detailed. We're going through the revision period now in class with our teacher teaching us how to write answers, and we've gone to the extent of pretty much providing 3 points for even a bloody 1 mark question, which I reckon is stupid but well, yeh as my teacher said, its pretty damn good insurance to ensure that you don't lose any marks. And hey, I guess its worked in the past given MHS's BM history...
When did you finish the course??
Other students at my school who got 50's in other subjects last year also did the same routine - created 3 different responses to the one question.. crazy, but I guess it pays off.
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For every subject, I think every exam is marked twice, although there may be cases where its only once. My bio midyear last year definitely got marked by two (hence my half mark). But still, even if its marked by two, every subjective mark lost is still well...HALF a mark lost..and that could add up eventually...It doesn't really fix the problem
From the "VCE Exams Navigator":
Mathematics, Accounting, Biology, Chemistry and Physics examination papers are marked by a single marker because the marking is more objective (answers are more factual in nature)
but yeah there's probably certain cases where they'll have two assessors mark the exam.
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Yeh, I read on the statement of marks that if you apply for one, they'll mark it twice...which is what got me confused over whether its one or two markers. Thanks for clearing that up. (Wonder if I gained half a mark or lost half a mark by applying for a statement of marks...something I'll never find out =P)
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Well theres an easy way around that - just be extremely (excessively?) detailed. We're going through the revision period now in class with our teacher teaching us how to write answers, and we've gone to the extent of pretty much providing 3 points for even a bloody 1 mark question, which I reckon is stupid but well, yeh as my teacher said, its pretty damn good insurance to ensure that you don't lose any marks. And hey, I guess its worked in the past given MHS's BM history...
My ONLY problem is time- im a little slow :P
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i think they get marked twice, and if the marks differ alot then they are marked a third time.