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Title: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 02:25:06 pm
Did anyone on VN besides myself get 40 raw in Legal last year (and completed their VCE in 2007 also)?

I want to know if 40 goes up or down .1 etc cause I know it doesn't just stay dead straight on 40.
Thanks
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: psychlaw on September 14, 2008, 02:33:53 pm
Did anyone on VN besides myself get 40 raw in Legal last year (and completed their VCE in 2007 also)?

I want to know if 40 goes up or down .1 etc cause I know it doesn't just stay dead straight on 40.
Thanks
yes it does, it stays on 40...
but if anything, legal definately doesn't go up, at any stage

2007 Scaling Report, showing that Legal Studies 40 raw, stays on 40
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 02:40:39 pm
No you dont get it.

No score really stays at where it is after scaling. The scaling report rounds off the scaling to the nearest whole number so if legal goes down .1 to 39.9 it still says it is 40.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: AppleThief on September 14, 2008, 04:19:22 pm
entercalc tells me it stays on exactly 40 (and yes, entercalc does go to one decimal place...maybe it scaled <.1)

Edit: Whoops, sorry I edited my post before I saw you quoted me (below)
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: ell on September 14, 2008, 04:21:09 pm
entercalc tells me it stays on exactly 40 (and yes, entercalc does do decimal places)

but it uses the scaling report.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 04:22:25 pm
LOL! But the entercalc is based on the scaling report so of course it is going to say it's 40. All the numbers in between are only decimals on entercalc when say 40 stayed the same and 45 went up 1 to 46.
Entercalc would make between 40-45 go up in a linear fashion... it is an approximation, not exact value.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: AppleThief on September 14, 2008, 04:23:51 pm
Wait...but for example, if I type in 41 for English Language, it goes to 42.8, yet the scaling report doesn't say decimals...so where did it get the decimal from?
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 04:30:31 pm
You can't get them from anywhere, that's why I am asking someone who did Legal Studies in 2007 and got 40, who can tell me where my mark will scale too. I know my mark won't scale more outside these limits 39.51-40.49 but I would like to know.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: Tina on September 14, 2008, 04:35:38 pm
i got a 40 for legal studies in 2006 and it stayed 40
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 04:38:16 pm
... Wait have you got your ENTER yet?
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: Tina on September 14, 2008, 04:46:09 pm
yeh lol
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 04:49:16 pm
Im not entirely convinced but meh
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: enwiabe on September 14, 2008, 04:53:51 pm
actually dan's enter calc takes a normal distribution with mean and std. dev of whatever VCAA specifies per subject... it's accurate. Suffice it to say Costa, it's irrelevant. Focus on maximising your VCE scores *this* year. :P
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: bubble sunglasses on September 14, 2008, 04:57:01 pm

  yeah, 0.09 or less, presuming it's your 5th or 6th subject won't make much difference
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: Jeffree on September 14, 2008, 05:00:20 pm
whats the point in asking people and then saying you're not convinced when they give you an answer.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 05:05:58 pm
Just because I get an answer doesn't make the answer credible, from a person who has made their first post ever on VN.
Anyways it doesn't matter, I'll take Dan's advice.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: doboman on September 14, 2008, 05:09:25 pm
In 2005, it went to 40.21. Im pretty sure, because a good friend of mine got this. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 05:14:23 pm
Thanks doboman
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: riadnicolas on September 14, 2008, 05:30:10 pm
whats the point in asking people and then saying you're not convinced when they give you an answer.

Why you crying for?
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: Collin Li on September 14, 2008, 06:22:44 pm
Wait...but for example, if I type in 41 for English Language, it goes to 42.8, yet the scaling report doesn't say decimals...so where did it get the decimal from?

It uses the scaling report data, but it gets the decimals by using either a linear model (or some other more complicated one) to guess the scaling at 41 (it will be some value in between 40 and 45, as given by the scaling report)
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 06:28:07 pm
I know it has been answered 100 times but I don't know the answer so I'll ask again (not that it's a big deal, just wondering incase someone else asks me).

If I did Legal in 2007, will by scaling by the same as the scaling for those who graduated in 2007, or will it be compared with 2008 legal studies students?
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on September 14, 2008, 06:35:50 pm
It will stay as the scaling compared to that corresponding year. I done Psych last year, so this will be scaled according to that year, and not the subjects you are completing this year.

Lol, I still have trouble understanding the system. :P
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: bubble sunglasses on September 14, 2008, 06:37:44 pm
  

  " I done Psych last year, so this will be scaled according to that year,"

       It *has* been scaled and will stay the same. Why would you be pitted against this year's cohort which is different to last year's, along with the exam?
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: ell on September 14, 2008, 06:41:01 pm
Yeah, it scales with the year that you completed it, which makes sense - it's only fair that you're compared to other students who completed the same exam as you.
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 06:42:34 pm
I thought so. Thanks
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: bubble sunglasses on September 14, 2008, 06:44:56 pm

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Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: NE2000 on September 14, 2008, 07:31:12 pm

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Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: costargh on September 14, 2008, 07:39:55 pm

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Huh? ;)
Title: Re: Did anyone get a SS of 40 in Legal in 2007?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on September 14, 2008, 07:48:22 pm

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