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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: costargh on September 16, 2008, 12:29:40 am
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http://www.abc.net.au/austory/default.htm
Click on 'The girl most likely'
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Sad story indeed. My condolences go with her parents.
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ah that story was on tv tonight its very sad
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It was very sad...I nearly lost a friend of mine to depression, and the story struck me in a certain way.
To anyone who may be reading this topic that have feelings of depression or any other mental health concern, don't make the mistake of thinking it will just go away. See a doctor - they can do a lot more than you think - and will not cost you anything if you bulk bill.
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It froze my web browser at 5:29 and I couldn't drag the bar down the bottom to get back to that part, do they have transcript anywhere? that is much easier to understand as well :D
catalyst always does transcripts, come on rest of abc.
I personally am not very trusting of the 'professionals', given that in year 9 I went to seek help by myself and the school counsellor who I saw for maybe half the year before simply not rocking up any more, plus the subsequential GP and 2-3 (think it was 2) specialists I was taken to didn't do a thing.
Only a few years later do I understand why.
The only piece of advice I have is that you are not alone, even if it seems that way. there are people out there who share your experiences, even if you haven't met them yet. always.
Btw don't complain about how selfish etc suicide is. If you completely believed that no one cared about you and that you were simply an inconvenience/burden to their lives, would it be selfish then? Coupled onto the belief as well that no one would notice you were gone for a while.
Because I used to believe exactly that.
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That was a sad video :(
Now I'm late for class!
I agree and understand how you feel caramel. I think it doesn't help at all to label suicide as selfish, even if it is a reality. No one has the "right" to experience your presence anyway, that's your choice.
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It froze my web browser at 5:29 and I couldn't drag the bar down the bottom to get back to that part, do they have transcript anywhere? that is much easier to understand as well :D
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2007/s2365960.htm
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It was very sad...I nearly lost a friend of mine to depression, and the story struck me in a certain way.
+1
Really puts your own problems into perspective doesn't it?
Reading stories like these just makes me appreciate what I have even more.
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I remember reading about this story when it occurred earlier this year. It was quite moving to watch seeing a girl our age with everything going for her to be claimed by the black dog that is depression. It also reminded me of my father's battle with depression three years ago where it culminated in him nearly claiming his own life, and how hard it was for me and my family to deal with at the time.
The thing about depression is that there is still a lot of stigma assosciated with it, despite awareness programs such as beyondblue doing their best to educate the public about this debilitating illness. This is since it can be easy to perceive yourself as weak when suffering depression, and hence not wanting to come out about the illness. The facts are that it is a very common condition with around 1 in 5 people who will suffer it at some time in their lives, and in many cases it is something which can come without your control, no matter how well you are traveling in life.
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1 in 5 means that statistically, one of your friends in your group of friends is likely to have depression.
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1 in 5 means that statistically, one of your friends in your group of friends is likely to have depression.
"1 in 5" means that if you kept pulling out random samples of 5 people at a time, and you did this a large number of times, the average number of people with depression that you will observe in those samples will be 1.
edit: actually no that's not really correct since it was "at some time in their lives,"
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I like using uncertain phrases like, "likely" ;)
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seeing a doctor for depression might not be the greatest idea. and tellin other is something that people mite not wanna do because it means ur put "your problems" on someone elses shoulder. sometimes people just DO wanna keep it inside. sometimes people dont have the closest friends like most of us do to tell others. yeah there is "help" but its telling those people that there is help and gettin them to go, that is the hard part.
you relise people dont share unless you ask them. someone wouldnt walk up to u and go..."im sad"... people normally ask "whats wrong" or something along those lines
recently i went to the councilors at school... this was 2007.... first thing they said... everything is kept confidential...
TEACHERS WERE ASKING ME ABOUT THE SITUATION! I WAS SERIOUSLY LIKE WTF???
so personally i never really tell people whats eating me up inside nemore. i just keep it to myself anf hopefully it will fade away.. normally is does but sometimes there are things that just dont. i know from experience before when i wass younger that its a really hard thing to fall out of. but its true about the article. things arnt always what it seems.
i agree with caramel: people who think suicide is selfish REALLY dont have a clue how it feels or what people actually go through.
my input in the whole depression matter
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I don't think it ever completely fades away...
it's always lurking to be brought up in streams of conscienceness only to be shot down and chased off in 5 seconds. But it is still there. That is what annoys me.
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i agree with caramel: people who think suicide is selfish REALLY dont have a clue how it feels or what people actually go through.
I disagree. People with depression to the point of despair may mistakingly believe, as mel put it, that
that no one cared about you and that you were simply an inconvenience/burden to their lives...that no one would notice you were gone for a while.
If that actually holds true, then the taking of one's life would be justified. But in actuality it's surely rarely the case that taking your own life would not have a seriously detrimental effect on the people close to you. It's selfish to kill yourself because you're putting your own suffering before the suffering of others, and it's an extremely difficult moral call to make that your suffering outweighs that caused by your death.
...yeah, my thoughts on the matter.
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i agree with caramel: people who think suicide is selfish REALLY dont have a clue how it feels or what people actually go through.
I disagree. People with depression to the point of despair may mistakingly believe, as mel put it, that
that no one cared about you and that you were simply an inconvenience/burden to their lives...that no one would notice you were gone for a while.
If that actually holds true, then the taking of one's life would be justified. But in actuality it's surely rarely the case that taking your own life would not have a seriously detrimental effect on the people close to you. It's selfish to kill yourself because you're putting your own suffering before the suffering of others, and it's an extremely difficult moral call to make that your suffering outweighs that caused by your death.
...yeah, my thoughts on the matter.
Being depressed is selfish as in self-reflective, not in a way I'd condemn, but inherently so, as one is introspective. "Selfish" is a dysphemistic way of putting it.
Like, if I'm happy, I'm more likely to be nice to someone, as a consequence of my circumstances.
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This is very sad :(
After reading a myriad of research on the topic while studying mental illness in IB psychology, it is my belief that severe depressive disorders (and the majority of mental illness) have a physiological cause (such as neurochemical, structural etc), and that it is near impossible for a patient to control their thoughts, feelings and actions. I think mental illness needs to be treated like any other disease.
The stigma surrounding mental illness in the community is shocking. There is a common misconception that it's an individual's "fault" for being struck by mental illness, and that they can control what's occurring. Unfortunately, these views still exist in the medical community. On the General Adolescent Ward at the RCH, I observed teenagers with mental illness being treated as burdens and second rate citizens. The girls with Anorexia on the ward were treated disgustingly.
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1 in 5 means that statistically, one of your friends in your group of friends is likely to have depression.
"1 in 5" means that if you kept pulling out random samples of 5 people at a time, and you did this a large number of times, the average number of people with depression that you will observe in those samples will be 1.
edit: actually no that's not really correct since it was "at some time in their lives,"
OH HAI CENTRAL LIMIT THEOREM (or Law of Large Numbers, I can't remember -.-)
(also, I'd say that the average will approach 1, as it will only equal 1 given infinite samples).
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It's selfish to kill yourself because you're putting your own suffering before the suffering of others, and it's an extremely difficult moral call to make that your suffering outweighs that caused by your death.
What happened if you believed that no one else would suffer as a result? In fact, they'd be happier?
Ie, it holds true in your own mind what I have said before, and anyone's elses perspective (the 'normal' people) are all false
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If that actually holds true, then the taking of one's life would be justified. But in actuality it's surely rarely the case that taking your own life would not have a seriously detrimental effect on the people close to you. It's selfish to kill yourself because you're putting your own suffering before the suffering of others, and it's an extremely difficult moral call to make that your suffering outweighs that caused by your death.
...yeah, my thoughts on the matter.
As I said previously, I don't believe people with severe depression can control how they are feeling. They just want to end their physical and psychological suffering, and don't really consider the implications of their actions. They're not selfish. And considering they are treated like animals by some doctors, I can see why they feel the future holds no hope.
Quite simply, we just don’t know the causes of depression yet. In the future, it may emerge that depression and other psychiatric disorders are in fact, a cluster of non-fatal (if you don't count in suicide) neurological conditions that have a physical aetiology which manifests itself through psychological symptoms such as erratic mood swings or delusions etc. Who knows! I’ve never really understood the theories of “they can control it”. How on earth can you control something like, having hallucinations or being severely depressed? Which makes me think, even if the condition DID have psychological beginnings; for example due to extreme stress, perhaps the stress actually alters the way the patient’s body functions? WE DON’T KNOW YET! And I am sick of people judging individuals with mental illness. We don't actually know a great deal about mental illness yet, and I really want to dispel the misconceptions about psychiatric disorders.
It is already widely believed that both physiological and psychological factors contribute to the development of depressive disorders. Studies have suggested that heredity and genetic factors, neurotransmitters such as serotonin, and neurological factors such as the size and function of the hippocampus and neurogenesis could be involved in depression. After University, I'd love to do some research on this. I think Neurology is the area I want to specialise in.
Some articles on depression, which discuss the causes:
“Depression, stress and the adrenal axis”
Carmine M. Pariante
Institute of Psychiatry, King’s College London
“A Swedish national twin study of lifetime major depression”
Kendler et al
“Suggestive linkage on chromosome 2, 8 and 17 for lifetime major depression”
VU University, Netherlands
Middeldorp et al
“Relationship of neurotransmitters to the symptoms of major depressive disorders”
Psychopharmological unit, University of Bristol, UK
article on suicidal rats
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It's selfish to kill yourself because you're putting your own suffering before the suffering of others, and it's an extremely difficult moral call to make that your suffering outweighs that caused by your death.
What happened if you believed that no one else would suffer as a result? In fact, they'd be happier?
It would not be selfish if you truly believed that. But since I highly doubt that that applies for anybody in this world, your friends/family/colleagues etc. would perceive it as selfish, with good reason - they can't see what you were thinking.
I see depression as typically a "selfish" illness - you are wrapped up in your own thoughts and feelings. It is like a veil between you and the world. Thus, suicide from depression would fall under this "selfish" banner. This is exactly what Jess has just said - they don't consider the wider implications of their actions.
This does not make them selfish the same way that a billionaire living next to a person facing bankruptcy may appear. I don't mean selfish pejoratively. Self-absorbed? Introspective? I dunno I can't think of a better word, my English phails
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It's selfish to kill yourself because you're putting your own suffering before the suffering of others, and it's an extremely difficult moral call to make that your suffering outweighs that caused by your death.
What happened if you believed that no one else would suffer as a result? In fact, they'd be happier?
Ie, it holds true in your own mind what I have said before, and anyone's elses perspective (the 'normal' people) are all false
Well that's the problem with mental illness: it becomes harder to relate to other people and understand what they're thinking, and easier to justify actions by filling in the blanks with your own negative thoughts. Is it justified to kill yourself if you (let's say mistakingly) think that everyone else would be better off without you? Objectively, no, but subjectively, yes, and a sufferer of mental illness has an extremely subjective viewpoint.
As I said previously, I don't believe people with severe depression can control how they are feeling. They just want to end their physical and psychological suffering, and don't really consider the implications of their actions. They're not selfish. And considering they are treated like animals by some doctors, I can see why they feel the future holds no hope.
Certainly not, many if not most people with chronic depression consider the implications of their actions; it would be immature not to. The suicide rate may be high, but it's not through the roof: most people with severe depression do not kill themselves, because they do not reach the point of despair where they feel that their personal suffering is greater than the possible suffering of others should they die.
I see depression as typically a "selfish" illness - you are wrapped up in your own thoughts and feelings. It is like a veil between you and the world. Thus, suicide from depression would fall under this "selfish" banner. This is exactly what Jess has just said - they don't consider the wider implications of their actions.
The problem with seeing depression this way is that it implicitly suggests that there is some sort of choice in being so self-involvement. Depression may simply be an inability to be happy while everyone else around you is.
Also, in my experience, some people with depression are often self-deprecating in that because they value themselves lowly, such that they see other people as somehow being better people than them. They would even value other people's problems to a greater extent than their own, because in their eyes, the other people's problems are more important, as they themselves are not. So in some cases depression can be almost selfless in that sense.
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I agree with the difficult to talk about part. If I'm feeling upset or whatever, I always think that telling people about it would just be a bummer, that other people are better off not knowing and that I don't want to burden them with my emotion, I want to protect them from feeling bad and I know that I can deal with my being upset better than other people can.
I remember once telling my mum while I was in year 12 that I felt really stressed and tired and she overreacted to the whole thing. Her response wasn't what I wanted and I couldn't communicate with her properly, so I then decided that telling people about emotional things in general is a really bad idea. It's very hard to make people understand, even when one is feeling normal sadness, as opposed to clinical depression.
There is a limit to how much we can reach out to others, and I suppose there is a bit of a barrier. Pain is a shared experience in that everybody feels it sometimes, but it's also an intensely private one. I can't properly explain whatever pain I feel to someone else beyond saying that it's 'bad', and this is a pretty poor indicator of the complexity of someone's emotions.
I also relate somewhat to feeling as though nobody would care very much if I were to stop existing. When I was in primary school I was extremely quiet, moreso than now, and I felt ignored. Sometimes I wondered if I was invisible or even if I existed in the first place. I considered that if I just went away, I wouldn't be missed, or at least not terribly. This isn't how I feel now, but it's still a very real feeling and I can easily see how these kinds of thoughts would motivate someone to just go away. I suppose then, I'd encourage people to acknowledge and talk to people who seem lonely and make sure they know that they are important.
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I was 'depressed' off and on for a while, citing a reason which I now see was largely superficial and irrelevant. I just wasn't doing anything and was susceptible to feeling bad and staying that way for a long time. I'm still really lazy/unmotivated [I do Arts and haven't this year been to a tutorial or got any marks (maybe I should enlist droodles' help :P)], but I know myself better so I can still have fun and also view negative emotions philosophically. Like I was way depressed aged 14 when I was in love with a someone [now my friend] who I couldn't have, but now I'd see it as a more positive emotion, certainly more than apathy.
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The problem with seeing depression this way is that it implicitly suggests that there is some sort of choice in being so self-involvement. Depression may simply be an inability to be happy while everyone else around you is.
Also, in my experience, some people with depression are often self-deprecating in that because they value themselves lowly, such that they see other people as somehow being better people than them. They would even value other people's problems to a greater extent than their own, because in their eyes, the other people's problems are more important, as they themselves are not. So in some cases depression can be almost selfless in that sense.
Yeah, you're right. I don't like using the word "selfish" but can't think of a better one ...
Does anyone look back on their depression and think differently of it now?
Back when I was 15 and "depressed" after breaking up with a boyfriend I was truly feeling low, didn't want to wake up, didn't feel like doing anything, on the verge of doing something stupid etc. But now when I look back on it I don't see it as depression, I see it as me overreacting and being a drama queen.
I wonder why though. I think it might be a result of my parents drilling into me that teenagers do not have the emotional depth to feel things as complex as love, passion, or indeed, depression.
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see my 1st post here for your 1st point and my 2nd for your question :P
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What type of depression are we talking about here? Major Depressive Disorders, or situational depression/ depressed mood? You guys seem to be talking about the latter.
In situational depression or depressed mood, there is an element of control, and the symptoms experienced are in no way as severe as clinical depression.
There is a difference between being quite "down" due to the situation, and being pathologically and continuously unhappy and distressed. I think it is important that people aware there is a distinction between the two, so they don't underestimate what people with Clinical Depression actually experience.
Just to clarify, I was talking about Ongoing Clinical Depression in my previous posts.
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Yeah, you're right actually, Jess
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Also, in my experience, some people with depression are often self-deprecating in that because they value themselves lowly, such that they see other people as somehow being better people than them. They would even value other people's problems to a greater extent than their own, because in their eyes, the other people's problems are more important, as they themselves are not. So in some cases depression can be almost selfless in that sense.
You're just describing "low self esteem", which is definitely a symptom of severe depression. So what came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the person already have low self esteem, making them more susceptible to depression, or did they develop depression and as a result exhibit the symptoms you outlined? Or, did they always possess a depressive personality due to heredity?
Which as I stated previously, I suspect started with a neurological change which the patient cannot control.
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Also, in my experience, some people with depression are often self-deprecating in that because they value themselves lowly, such that they see other people as somehow being better people than them. They would even value other people's problems to a greater extent than their own, because in their eyes, the other people's problems are more important, as they themselves are not. So in some cases depression can be almost selfless in that sense.
You're just describing "low self esteem", which is definitely a symptom of severe depression. So what came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the person already have low self esteem, making them more susceptible to depression, or did they develop depression and as a result exhibit the symptoms you outlined?
Which as I stated previously, I suspect started with a neurological change which the patient cannot control.
Depression first, then self-esteem. Though of course low self-esteem is both a cause and a symptom of depression.
The thing about the neurological causes of depression, such as imbalances of chemicals and hormones in the brain, is that though they can be controlled through medication, they don't address any other contributing factors. Medication won't bring back a family member who has passed away, or the love of a former partner.
At the same time, counselling or dealing with issues such as these won't restore chemical balance to the brain.
The issue is, of course, determining in a depressed person whether things likehereditary predisposition to mental illness, personality disorders, an upsetting event occuring etc. have actually caused the depression, or are a result of it.
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The thing about the neurological causes of depression, such as imbalances of chemicals and hormones in the brain, is that though they can be controlled through medication, they don't address any other contributing factors. Medication won't bring back a family member who has passed away, or the love of a former partner.
At the same time, counselling or dealing with issues such as these won't restore chemical balance to the brain.
Which is why treatment entails both counseling and medication (SSRIs, TCAs etc). The medication used requires modification though. (There's a difference between reactive depression and endogenous depression, mind you.)
But, the theories and possible causes proposed for clinical depression are fairly complex, and quite simply, we don't know the answer yet. I know most people do not understand the nature of the illness.
I must emphasis that there is a difference between Clinical Depression (however there are various types of clinical depression - refer below**) and Depressed Mood. And in some patients, there is no stimulus which acts as a candidate for depression that is identified (endogenous depression). I have read so much research on this, that I am convinced there is some sort of biological basis for types of Clinical Depression, although psychological factors contribute, too. I am trying to dispel this notion that patients with depression can necessarily control their thoughts. This is the way I see it; just like I couldn't control the production of my cancer, they can't control the development of their depression. I've heard the most disgusting comments from people about depression. It's not as simple as "THINK POSITIVE!!!!1111" But I believe most mental illnesses have physiological causes. (Poorly articulated, sorry)
Depression first, then self-esteem. Though of course low self-esteem is both a cause and a symptom of depression.
That was a rhetorical question. No one truly knows the answer to that, unfortunately. Although if you have some research references to this, please link. I'd love to read them, I am quite fascinated by this topic :)
***There are different types of clinical depression. This includes reactive depression, where someone gets severely depressed due to their circumstances, such as a death of a family member. Then there is endogenous depression, where someone is constantly depressed without any obvious trigger. Then there's chronic depression, post natal depression and bipolar disorder. I believe the last 4 have a biological basis.
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Jessie, I sincerely hope you get into med. You're going to make such a good doctor. :D
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Yes, yes she would!
(She lives in a family of people in medicine though, so it's not surprising at all!)
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Does anyone look back on their depression and think differently of it now?
Back when I was 15 and "depressed" after breaking up with a boyfriend I was truly feeling low, didn't want to wake up, didn't feel like doing anything, on the verge of doing something stupid etc. But now when I look back on it I don't see it as depression, I see it as me overreacting and being a drama queen.
I wonder why though. I think it might be a result of my parents drilling into me that teenagers do not have the emotional depth to feel things as complex as love, passion, or indeed, depression.
When I think back about it I reclassify it from feeling bad/alright/must be normal to some form of moderate/severe depression, as since then I have read about it and stuff :P
Jessie, is this a fair call when I was really bad for 10 months, and then another 6 months a year later, am I overreacting or is that right. As in for the first time during the second half of this period (eg month 5-6 ->), not being able to do anything, being continuously disappointed each day at the expected outcome I woke up again, finding maths not fun, feeling physically what I described in that other thread nearly every day, seeing everyday objects and using your imagination to create ways that they could assist in ending it, etc etc
(obviously the 2nd time was a walk in the park compared to the first one, but I stopped handing in school work and doing work in class etc, so I consider it a relapse of sorts)
no one ever told me I was so I just assumed the problem was all my fault and I was a bad person and I wasn't trying hard enough
You are truly leet and know so much more about these things than I ever will
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Depression first, then self-esteem. Though of course low self-esteem is both a cause and a symptom of depression.
That was a rhetorical question. No one truly knows the answer to that, unfortunately. Although if you have some research references to this, please link. I'd love to read them, I am quite fascinated by this topic :)
Heh. Sorry, no, all my knowledge is basically scrabbled from various sources I've read on the interwebs, experiences of my own and of friends, and my mother, who's a mental health social worker.
I certainly agree with you that it's an ignorant statement to make that people who have depression should just think positive, that there's enough of an element of control. That's the point of organisations like BeyondBlue and all that; to make sure people understand that depression genuinely is an illness.
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The thing about the neurological causes of depression, such as imbalances of chemicals and hormones in the brain, is that though they can be controlled through medication, they don't address any other contributing factors. Medication won't bring back a family member who has passed away, or the love of a former partner.
At the same time, counselling or dealing with issues such as these won't restore chemical balance to the brain.
Which is why treatment entails both counseling and medication (SSRIs, TCAs etc). The medication used requires modification though. (There's a difference between reactive depression and endogenous depression, mind you.)
But, the theories and possible causes proposed for clinical depression are fairly complex, and quite simply, we don't know the answer yet. I know most people do not understand the nature of the illness.
I must emphasis that there is a difference between Clinical Depression (however there are various types of clinical depression - refer below**) and Depressed Mood. And in some patients, there is no stimulus which acts as a candidate for depression that is identified (endogenous depression). I have read so much research on this, that I am convinced there is some sort of biological basis for types of Clinical Depression, although psychological factors contribute, too. I am trying to dispel this notion that patients with depression can necessarily control their thoughts. This is the way I see it; just like I couldn't control the production of my cancer, they can't control the development of their depression. I've heard the most disgusting comments from people about depression. It's not as simple as "THINK POSITIVE!!!!1111" But I believe most mental illnesses have physiological causes. (Poorly articulated, sorry)
Depression first, then self-esteem. Though of course low self-esteem is both a cause and a symptom of depression.
That was a rhetorical question. No one truly knows the answer to that, unfortunately. Although if you have some research references to this, please link. I'd love to read them, I am quite fascinated by this topic :)
***There are different types of clinical depression. This includes reactive depression, where someone gets severely depressed due to their circumstances, such as a death of a family member. Then there is endogenous depression, where someone is constantly depressed without any obvious trigger. Then there's chronic depression, post natal depression and bipolar disorder. I believe the last 4 have a biological basis.
can i just ask....
i know my mum has bipolar.... and doctors have said that its likely i have bi polar too due to my behaviour in the recent years lately.
if u know much about bipolar could you let me know about it. much appriciated :)
i dont really wanna look it up... beacuse of the fear that i do have it :(
.xxx.
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can i just ask....
i know my mum has bipolar.... and doctors have said that its likely i have bi polar too due to my behaviour in the recent years lately.
if u know much about bipolar could you let me know about it. much appriciated :)
i dont really wanna look it up... beacuse of the fear that i do have it :(
.xxx.
My aunt is diagnosed with it (I don't believe I have it myself, but all of these 'illnesses' tend to be related to each other). I do not know much about it though apart from the fact she was told it doesn't set in until at least 20s. Oh and you need to experience both sides of it, so if you're as happy as a lark up at 3am occasionally then I'd say it's possible. Otherwise it's just normal depression I guess.
Also, regardless of whether you have it or not, I have found that finding out you have something is the best feeling in the world. There are now other real people in the world who understand you, and are willing to share their experiences etc (:
So I'd say pursue it, but maybe wait until after VCE
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can i just ask....
i know my mum has bipolar.... and doctors have said that its likely i have bi polar too due to my behaviour in the recent years lately.
if u know much about bipolar could you let me know about it. much appriciated :)
i dont really wanna look it up... beacuse of the fear that i do have it :(
.xxx.
My aunt is diagnosed with it (I don't believe I have it myself, but all of these 'illnesses' tend to be related to each other). I do not know much about it though apart from the fact she was told it doesn't set in until at least 20s. Oh and you need to experience both sides of it, so if you're as happy as a lark up at 3am occasionally then I'd say it's possible. Otherwise it's just normal depression I guess.
Also, regardless of whether you have it or not, I have found that finding out you have something is the best feeling in the world. There are now other real people in the world who understand you, and are willing to share their experiences etc (:
So I'd say pursue it, but maybe wait until after VCE
yeah i might wait till after....
but still it haunts me.... i already have a medical condition and another illness will just make me feel a bit outta place i guess? :uglystupid2: :idiot2:
like in primary school and some of high school... i didnt fit in AT all... i was like lonely to the max.
you know from experience something like this is the best thing to know...?
im afraid *guys* might run away... therefore thats another reason LOL ;D
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Well it depends on whether you want to find out or not I guess.
From my experience, my whole life I wanted an answer as to why I was different and now I have one =)
I didn't fit in either, I can count the number of times I 'went outside' (ie saw friends outside of school) from years 7-12 in total using my fingers (I think I just made it onto needing both hands :P). And since then I have lost contact with virtually all of them, I occasionally talk to someone in year 10 this year on msn/almighty facebook chat but that's it :P
Also, yes some people will run away but those ones aren't good enough for you in the first place so it doesn't matter. There are people out there who will accept you for who you are.
Oh and I say wait until after for two reasons: time should be precious atm, and it might mess with your head for a while trying to come to terms with it/accepting it depending if it is anything and if so, what it is. You don't need to take that risk at this point in time :P
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One of my teachers has bipolar (the collective student body has diagnosed her though). We set it as the feisty side in her ;)
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I PM'd you both :)
One of my teachers has bipolar (the collective student body has diagnosed her though). We set it as the feisty side in her ;)
Eh that's probably not bipolar disorder. Unless you witness her having manic episodes where she is completely inappropriate and exhibits behaviour like rapid, pressured or unintelligible speech, grandiosity, decreased need for sleep, hyperactivity, excessive optimism and inappropriate sexual activity (eg. removing clothes in public) for a week, and then being normal the next week. And then perhaps having a depressive episode the week after.
(Contrary to popular belief, bipolar disorder isn't "sad one minute, angry the next, happy the next", that's just mood swings. It's actually manic for one week, normal the next week, and having a depressive episode after that for 2 weeks.)
Diagnosis criteria:
-There must be two or more episodes of mood disturbance, one of which must be mania.
-Manic episodes must last for at least one week and be severe enough to markedly disrupt social and occupational functioning. The manic episode is accompanied by increased energy and includes a number of the symptoms outlines above.
-Depressive episodes must last at least 2 weeks.
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like in primary school and some of high school... i didnt fit in AT all... i was like lonely to the max.
you know from experience something like this is the best thing to know...?
im afraid *guys* might run away... therefore thats another reason LOL ;D
Aww... *hugs dusty*, we had the same problem in primary school! I was the token 'loner', and everyone would laugh at me because I had no friends. Then there was this one girl, who always talked to me, and didn't care that I was alone or anything. I always used to go to bed crying because someone could possess such positive attributes towards me. Then, at graduation, I was the only one smiling; I guess because I didn't want to see any of them ever again.
I had the same problem with boys as well. I asked this guy out in primary school, and he sprinted like a cheetah was chasing him, and I broke down there and then. I was depressed then. ;) The same thing happened in high school, though :(
Counseling never worked... I never talked because I thought it was natural for every girl to get rejected by guys... It's just nature, right? And about the teasing... Umm...
I guess I have never fitted in to anything... Except for VN of course ;D
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So many strong people on VN ... what an inspiration
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like in primary school and some of high school... i didnt fit in AT all... i was like lonely to the max.
you know from experience something like this is the best thing to know...?
im afraid *guys* might run away... therefore thats another reason LOL ;D
Aww... *hugs dusty*, we had the same problem in primary school! I was the token 'loner', and everyone would laugh at me because I had no friends. Then there was this one girl, who always talked to me, and didn't care that I was alone or anything. I always used to go to bed crying because someone could possess such positive attributes towards me. Then, at graduation, I was the only one smiling; I guess because I didn't want to see any of them ever again.
I had the same problem with boys as well. I asked this guy out in primary school, and he sprinted like a cheetah was chasing him, and I broke down there and then. I was depressed then. ;) The same thing happened in high school, though :(
Counseling never worked... I never talked because I thought it was natural for every girl to get rejected by guys... It's just nature, right? And about the teasing... Umm...
I guess I have never fitted in to anything... Except for VN of course ;D
I know how good does it feel to fit in somewhere :P even tho they are internet buddies for the time being. ive met like a couple of you guys before... ITS NOTHING LIKE SCHOOL we like come from all over vic and yeah it feels good to fit in :)
btw with guys : ive totally given up. like... because i dont fit in... ive come to the point where i dont ask ANY GUY out... lucky for me some have asked me.
i still dont fit in, in my school. we have clicks at out school. obviously im in the nerd, unpopular group.
i can count all my friends on i think 1 hand... maybe 2.
but it pays off :) i get hw done kekekeke
i guess... music gets me through school i go to class quietly. do my work day finishes and i study. inside of school i dont wanna be seen. outside of school i can totally be myself. its such a reliefe. xox.happy1.xox you really make me smile on this site. when i try and make u smile and tell you that i believe in u. i actually feel like... maybe im worth something... <3
JESS: like i told u over msn. you'll do GREAT wonders after u finish med! ur such a great person to talk to!
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ahh schoolyard politics =P
Looking back i should have associated more with girls, to develop my political skills and emotional intelligence.
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LOLLLLL "to develop my political skills"
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ahh schoolyard politics =P
Looking back i should have associated more with girls, to develop my political skills and emotional intelligence.
LOL.
Yeah, I started a bit late too, but I don't mind - anything younger is a bit ridiculous anyway.
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ahh schoolyard politics =P
Looking back i should have associated more with girls, to develop my political skills and emotional intelligence.
Lolz. Reminded me of
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exercise.png)
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LOL
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meh, lost on me
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Interesting personal account of someone who had clinical depression:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/mental_health/article6925762.ece