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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Commerce => Topic started by: ReVeL on September 25, 2008, 04:19:20 pm
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Just curious as to if either is more credible/better recognised or if it is perceived to be better taught at either.
I've been hearing RMIT is better, does anyone know if either is at all 'better' than the other, and would it effect employment at all??
Thanks.
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i know that a few accounting firms want their people doing a cadetship, to do a commerce degree at Melbourne or accounting at RMIT, (but this could be because of location)
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Hmm, i'm quite curious too.
I would rather go to RMIT if i don't get into UoM, coz of the location :P
I had always thought Monash was better tho, i've never heard anyone say RMIT is better :(
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if ENTER is any indicator than Monash wins hands down
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What RMIT has got in its favour is they have the 1 year of working at an accounting firm incorporated into the degree in the 3rd year. And IMO you would look more employable coming out of the degree having worked a year than just a 3 year degree at Monash or any other institution for the matter.
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I can understand that opinion but I don't really consider it valid. Swinburne also has a similar program and I wouldn't expect anyone to argue that Swinburne is better based on that program that they have. My uncle owns an accounting firm in the city and in his exact words "I only employee graduates from Melbourne and Monash University". That's not to say that that would be the thoughts of all employers, just one with a nice medium sized firm.
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Interesting, I wonder how other firms view different university degrees.
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I'll put both in my preferences.
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On my preferences I have courses frm Melbourne Uni, Monash Uni and one from deakin which I will most probably take out. MONASH HERE WE COME :)
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I gotta bad feeling I may not get the score for Monash :(, especially after such an unproductive holiday so far. :-\
*still hopes*
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Awww, you still got a month RD :) Wish you all the best~!!
And I think I've made my decision, if i don't get into BCom @ Melb Uni :(
I'm gonna go to RMIT...
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Awww, you still got a month RD :) Wish you all the best~!!
And I think I've made my decision, if i don't get into BCom @ Melb Uni :(
I'm gonna go to RMIT...
You doing Accountancy at RMIT?
If so, why'd you chose it over an Accounting or Commerce degree at Monash?(If you don't mind me asking)
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Call up a few accounting firms and ask for their opinion
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Awww, you still got a month RD :) Wish you all the best~!!
And I think I've made my decision, if i don't get into BCom @ Melb Uni :(
I'm gonna go to RMIT...
You doing Accountancy at RMIT?
If so, why'd you chose it over an Accounting or Commerce degree at Monash?(If you don't mind me asking)
transportation issues. It consumes too much time for her to travel back and forth to Monash (that's what she said).
@Brendan, lol how can you call an accounting firm just to ask that question. "Hi lol, which uni is better for accounting?" Just seems a bit odd.
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Why not? Just give it a go. Ask to speak to the hr/recruitment manager, if its a large firm.
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Awww, you still got a month RD :) Wish you all the best~!!
And I think I've made my decision, if i don't get into BCom @ Melb Uni :(
I'm gonna go to RMIT...
You doing Accountancy at RMIT?
If so, why'd you chose it over an Accounting or Commerce degree at Monash?(If you don't mind me asking)
Hopefully i wont have to go to RMIT :P lolz
I actually would really like to go to Monash, and do Accounting & Finance or Commerce but I live too far :(
It would take me about 1.5 hours just to travel there, so 3+ hours per day.
Another option is to move out, but i don't really want to do that.
So yeah, i'm pretty much choosing RMIT > Monash because traveling would be inconvenient :(
(which is really bad...but i don't want to travel that far, and i want to go to uni in the city :P lol)
Ooops, just realised, Prav already answered for me :P lols. Thanks haha.
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Yeah well, Monash(Clayton) is about 1.5-2 hours travel from my house too.
Still, I put Commerce at Monash 2nd preference(Behind UoM) nonetheless.
I figure, if I just put up with the travel for one year, I will have my P's for 2nd year hence I'll be able to drive out to Clayton which will only take me 40 minutes or so.
So yeah, RMIT Accountancy is 3rd preference but I'm preparing to stick out the travel for one year I'm thinking.
However preferences 2 & 3 could swap... Haven't decided but I think I'll most likely keep Monash #2.
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Awww :( Why cant there be a Monash campus in the city :P haha.
And hmm, i guess driving is an option too, but i don't like the idea of driving :(
If you saw me playing mario cart on wii ... uh ohs... :P
Hmm ReVeL, have you thought about transferring?
And does anyone know if there's any chance of transferring to BCom at UoM after first year?
If so, would going to monash give any advantage? Or would it be about the same as other unis like RMIT?
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Thats a good question Roxxi.. I like the way you think. ;)
Maybe I'll e-mail the UoM and ask about transfer and if your chances of being accepted are dependant on the uni you're transfering from.
ANYWAY, I'm sure you'll probably get into UoM anyway so you won't have to worry about all this shit anyway! haha.
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Awww :( Why cant there be a Monash campus in the city :P haha.
There is :)
its in parkville, near melb uni... and it offers commerce too...
The only catch is, you have to do a pharmacy degree aswell
(So Pharm/Commerce)
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Thats a good question Roxxi.. I like the way you think. ;)
Maybe I'll e-mail the UoM and ask about transfer and if your chances of being accepted are dependant on the uni you're transfering from.
ANYWAY, I'm sure you'll probably get into UoM anyway so you won't have to worry about all this shit anyway! haha.
Awww thanks :) hehe
And if you email them, tell me what they reply to you =)
LoL, i really wish i don't have to worry about all this... haha. But its always in the back of my mind :( I'll be so shattered if i don't get in...
I hope you don't have to worry too much either :)
But i guess you still have until Dec when you get your enter to make your choice about which uni you wanna go to...
I wish you all the best, and hopefully see you at UoM next year :D haha
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Awww :( Why cant there be a Monash campus in the city :P haha.
There is :)
its in parkville, near melb uni... and it offers commerce too...
The only catch is, you have to do a pharmacy degree aswell
(So Pharm/Commerce)
WoW...i never knew that :P
Hmm, what's the enter to get into that?
How many years is it?
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Awww :( Why cant there be a Monash campus in the city :P haha.
There is :)
its in parkville, near melb uni... and it offers commerce too...
The only catch is, you have to do a pharmacy degree aswell
(So Pharm/Commerce)
WoW...i never knew that :P
Hmm, what's the enter to get into that?
How many years is it?
Not sure
but the course info is here...
http://www.vtac.edu.au/cgi-bin/coursesrch/course.cgi?&coursecode=26011
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About the course:
This double degree program is suitable for those who aim to manage or own a pharmacy or who wish to enter into a management role in a hospital pharmacy or the pharmaceutical industry. Students complete their Bachelor of Pharmacy at the Parkville campus and subsequently undertake two years of study (or part time equivalent) for the Bachelor of Commerce at the Clayton campus.
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Awww :( Why cant there be a Monash campus in the city :P haha.
There is :)
its in parkville, near melb uni... and it offers commerce too...
The only catch is, you have to do a pharmacy degree aswell
(So Pharm/Commerce)
WoW...i never knew that :P
Hmm, what's the enter to get into that?
How many years is it?
my advice is that the parkville campus doesn't offer commerce. for the last two years you have to go to clayton for that
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LOL i figured :P hahaaa
See above post >_>
But hmm, i'm not really interested in that course anyways.
And i assume it would require a pretty high enter too :P
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About the course:
This double degree program is suitable for those who aim to manage or own a pharmacy or who wish to enter into a management role in a hospital pharmacy or the pharmaceutical industry. Students complete their Bachelor of Pharmacy at the Parkville campus and subsequently undertake two years of study (or part time equivalent) for the Bachelor of Commerce at the Clayton campus.
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oh damn
lol sorry, should've looked at it first :P
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Haha its ok. Thanks anyways :)
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so what's actually the answer??
i really would like to know which uni will be better..
RMIT or Commerce at clayton..
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I don't wanna argue about which uni is better, coz i suck at arguing and i'd probably lose :P lol
But in terms of employment outcomes, it would differ depending on your employer. Some might perceive Monash more credible, some wouldn't look into it too much, but there is not much chance of RMIT being favoured over Monash. It *could* play a part in their decision making, but there are MANY other aspects to look at, ie Uni marks, experience, extra-curricular activities...
Also, note that at RMIT, the accounting course is Bachelor of Business and at Monash it is a Bachelor of Commerce. And some firms *may* prefer Commerce grads over Business grads.
And i just looked back at my posts earlier...haha
Looks like i changed my mind :P
I've decided on going to Monash and that education>convenience.
So yeah, 3 hours a day of traveling for me, until i move out :D weeeeeeeeee cant wait XD
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Roxxii, whereabouts are you from? I'd have to travel around the same amount of time as you. :( (bus train train bus. sounds like fun.)
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i'm stuck..
i'm choosing between doing a accounting/banking & finance double degree at caufield..
and accountancy at RMIT..
of course i would like to go to monash..it's more highly regarded..(i guess)
and i also like the campus too!..but i would have to travel further..
RMIT..the campus @@..(not as good)..and some emplyers don not prefer RMIT grads??
but i dont have to travel that far..it take me shorter to get there..
and the work experience they offer is very appealing to me..
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i'm stuck..
i'm choosing between doing a accounting/banking & finance double degree at caufield..
and accountancy at RMIT..
of course i would like to go to monash..it's more highly regarded..(i guess)
and i also like the campus too!..but i would have to travel further..
RMIT..the campus @@..(not as good)..and some emplyers don not prefer RMIT grads??
but i dont have to travel that far..it take me shorter to get there..
and the work experience they offer is very appealing to me..
Just ask around, maybe go to the campus, get a feel for the atmosphere, you'll be spending like 3 or more years at the university, you will need to like the atmosphere, also the location of the campus is important, you need to look at whether or not you can afford living on campus...
Honestly... in some cases, as rare as they are, they will look at experience as well as which Uni you attended..
Without going into too much detail... my mother never went to university or tafe [it wasn't that she couldn't get in because she got around 90 something back in the day when it was HSC, with only 3 years of english, in the day when there was no ESL], she just completed some short courses, and now she's Admin, HR and Planning Manager for the company she works for... and it's also possible my mother's employer is thinking of making her Co-owner/General Manager...
Hope that helps :)
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Roxxii, whereabouts are you from? I'd have to travel around the same amount of time as you. :( (bus train train bus. sounds like fun.)
I live in Bulleen, on the east side, in an area where there are no trains near me :(
I have to catch a bus to the city (which will be packed in the mornings with people going to work and uni, plus the traffic will be SO SO bad, i'm predicting around 45 mins or more)
The bus isn't even gonna take me to flinders or something, i'll get off a parliament, it'll go to flinders, stop for a while, then go clayton.
So if you count that as 2 train rides, i'm also doing bus, train, train, bus :D weeeeee fun fun lol ::)
Where do you live? Are you willing to travel that distance everyday? What are your other choices?
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Haha, I live up north (around Thomastown, Epping if that helps). My enter was below Melbourne's clearly-in for Commerce this year, but I called that hotline, and the lady said that I could possibly get in, though it depended on demand. So yeah, it's a toss up between Melbourne and Monash for me. If I get rejected from Melbourne, I'll have to travel to Monash whether I like it or not.
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Oh, i see. Yeah, just put UoM down and hope for the best :)
If you don't get in, you'll get to do the same course as me and see me around...
Win-win situation ;) hahaha
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I don't wanna argue about which uni is better, coz i suck at arguing and i'd probably lose :P lol
But in terms of employment outcomes, it would differ depending on your employer. Some might perceive Monash more credible, some wouldn't look into it too much, but there is not much chance of RMIT being favoured over Monash. It *could* play a part in their decision making, but there are MANY other aspects to look at, ie Uni marks, experience, extra-curricular activities...
Also, note that at RMIT, the accounting course is Bachelor of Business and at Monash it is a Bachelor of Commerce. And some firms *may* prefer Commerce grads over Business grads.
And i just looked back at my posts earlier...haha
Looks like i changed my mind :P
I've decided on going to Monash and that education>convenience.
So yeah, 3 hours a day of traveling for me, until i move out :D weeeeeeeeee cant wait XD
The traveling isn't so bad... u get used 2 it after a while...
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i'm stuck..
i'm choosing between doing a accounting/banking & finance double degree at caufield..
and accountancy at RMIT..
of course i would like to go to monash..it's more highly regarded..(i guess)
and i also like the campus too!..but i would have to travel further..
RMIT..the campus @@..(not as good)..and some emplyers don not prefer RMIT grads??
but i dont have to travel that far..it take me shorter to get there..
and the work experience they offer is very appealing to me..
Just ask around, maybe go to the campus, get a feel for the atmosphere, you'll be spending like 3 or more years at the university, you will need to like the atmosphere, also the location of the campus is important, you need to look at whether or not you can afford living on campus...
Honestly... in some cases, as rare as they are, they will look at experience as well as which Uni you attended..
Without going into too much detail... my mother never went to university or tafe [it wasn't that she couldn't get in because she got around 90 something back in the day when it was HSC, with only 3 years of english, in the day when there was no ESL], she just completed some short courses, and now she's Admin, HR and Planning Manager for the company she works for... and it's also possible my mother's employer is thinking of making her Co-owner/General Manager...
Hope that helps :)
See... I wouldn't even do a degree if I wanted 2 get in2 management... I think exp plays a much more vital role.
Like, a couple of weeks ago I was offered the assistant manager position @ the place where I volunteer.
I politely declined tho... I really want 2 focus on my studies and not have 2 worry bout keeping a bunch of solicitors happy XD
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Oh, i see. Yeah, just put UoM down and hope for the best :)
If you don't get in, you'll get to do the same course as me and see me around...
Win-win situation ;) hahaha
Haha. I wonder how many VNers I'll run into next year without even knowing it.
If I do go to Monash, I'll be able to do the language I want (I was in that stationery store in the city today, and trying to read random words was pretty fun, lol).
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Should I call UoM to see if my application was accepted or not? Urgh. The wait is killing me, just tell me straight if I won't get in, I don't want to wait another month to know my fate :(
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Hey roxxi that's cool you put Monash #2, I will most likely be seeing you next year haha!
Should I call UoM to see if my application was accepted or not? Urgh. The wait is killing me, just tell me straight if I won't get in, I don't want to wait another month to know my fate :(
I assume this is for SEAS? But I don't understand what you mean. They won't consider places until preferences close, will they?
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Hey roxxi that's cool you put Monash #2, I will most likely be seeing you next year haha!
It'd be great to see you at Monash next year hehe, i dont wanna feel lonely and not know anyone :( lol.
VN friends FTW :D
What are your first couple of preferences?
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Hey roxxi that's cool you put Monash #2, I will most likely be seeing you next year haha!
It'd be great to see you at Monash next year hehe, i dont wanna feel lonely and not know anyone :( lol.
VN friends FTW :D
What are your first couple of preferences?
Well, I put my first preference as Commerce at UoM, cause I thought I'd give it a go even though I'm quite unlikely to get in with my ENTER. Then second was Monash, which I'm pretty confident I have the score to get into!
So yeah, Monash here I come most likely! Wooo
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We have the same 1 and 2. :)
I'd laugh if one of us gets into UoM and the other doesn't.
Also, somebody needs to start a 'I don't know anybody and I don't want to be alone' thread, but I suppose that can wait until after january 20 (all the people from my school that I've heard from are either going RMIT or La Trobe, so yeah).
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We have the same 1 and 2. :)
I'd laugh if one of us gets into UoM and the other doesn't.
Also, somebody needs to start a 'I don't know anybody and I don't want to be alone' thread, but I suppose that can wait until after january 20 (all the people from my school that I've heard from are either going RMIT or La Trobe, so yeah).
Yeah, we'll wait until Jan 20 to make that thread because people like you and revel still don't know where you are going yet :P
I really wanna see how many people are going to Monash (Clayton) and how many people will be doing commerce :D
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Haha, I've just spent the whole morning going over my preferences. First is still the same, but I've been tossing up between Arts/Commerce and Commerce. In the end, I ended up where I was yesterday, haha. Instead of doing it as a major in an arts degree, I'll do it through a diploma (which means I can double major in commerce instead of having to do a bunch of arts minors). They didn't really confirm if I could do what I wanted (business faculty transferred me to arts, and then arts said I should ask the business faculty xD), but it should all work out.
Roxxii, I don't have seas or anything like that, so I'll be doing Commerce at Clayton for sure.
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Nawww, well you wont really know for sure until all the offers come out, you still have a little chance :)
But it'd be great if you're gonna do Commerce @ Clayton :D hehe
What do you wanna major in?
Edit: 600th POST!!!!! Weeeeeeeeee :D :D :D :D
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I have no idea, but I'd like to keep my options open. I'd like to try everything before I commit, though I'd have to do accounting in the first semester cos that seems to have extra requirements in order to get accredited. How about you?
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I have no idea, but I'd like to keep my options open. I'd like to try everything before I commit, though I'd have to do accounting in the first semester cos that seems to have extra requirements in order to get accredited. How about you?
U can actually do that pretty easily.
There r 6 compulsory level 1 subjects that all provide a sort of basis and feel for different majors (like.. core units), as well as an additional 2 compulsory units chosen out of 4 (or 5..?) options.
If u really wanted 2 u could do all of them in ur 1st year, meaning that in most cases u won't *really* have 2 pick ur major until u start ur 2nd year.
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Yeah, what I meant was that there are some majors with more than one compulsory level 1 unit. So for accounting, you also have to do financial accounting, which has AFC1000 as a prerequisite. That's the only example I can give, because the page stops listing compulsory units for majors after that (they just start saying x, min of 8 units offered by the department of x), but there are certain units that form prerequistes for further study in a given field. For something like marketing, the other unit is already part of the compulsory six, but if I want to do something like accounting or economics, I'll have to be more careful, I think.
These are the the units you get to choose from, btw. (4 level 1, 1 level 2, so you were right)
* AFC1030 Introduction to financial accounting, or AFC2140 Corporate finance
* ECC1100 Principles of macroeconomics
* ETC1010 Data modelling and computing
* MGC1020 Organisations: contexts and strategies
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Does accountancy at RMIT offer IBL?
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Industry Based Learning?
RMIT seem to have two variants of each of their courses (well the ones I've been interested in, anyway), one goes for three years, the other for four. Looking under the 'A' section on their website only yields their three-year course, but the one with IBL is called the Bachelor of Business (Professional Accountancy).
link to course:
http://www.rmit.edu.au/programs/bp129
link to course outline:
clicky
note: In the VTAC guide, it is only listed as Accountancy. They have four courses listed under that name, but the one with mandatory work experience is '32011'.
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thanks
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Monash FTW!!!!!!!!!!