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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: costargh on November 19, 2007, 06:14:09 pm
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Lol... and the never ending debate continues...
Just wondering... has anyone that does debating ever gotten a topic about relegion? (Eg. Does God exist?) Lol. that would be very very awkward
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Just wondering... has anyone that does debating ever gotten a topic about relegion? (Eg. Does God exist?) Lol. that would be very very awkward
nahh I doubt they'd do it at school things anyway, due to being politically correct or some shit
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Yer thats what I've always thought.
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Lol... and the never ending debate continues...
Just wondering... has anyone that does debating ever gotten a topic about relegion? (Eg. Does God exist?) Lol. that would be very very awkward
anyone here actually do debating at school :shock:
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Yep. Well I'm not sure if I'll do it next year. I did adjudicating for an intra-school debate a few weeks back and apparently the principal was blabbing on about me at the staff meeting the next morning =)
Go Me =)
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I do debating and Public Speaking at school.
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yes i'm a debater.. anyone adjudicating next year?
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I love debating! I must have done at least 20 over my secondary school career :P And yeah, I'm adjudicating! I think I'm gonna be at the camberwell or scotch venue.
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how are u supposed to win these debates anyway
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omfg deliberately make those scotch bitches lose for me :P
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Anyone in the keyzy district? hehe
Bloody Gayelberry
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is anyone a master-debater?
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nerds
Piss off
lol
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is anyone a master-debater?
Never heard that one before...
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is anyone a master-debater?
LOL, no, but I'm a maths-debater. :P
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Personally? I love to mass debate.
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Personally? I love to mass debate.
oooooooooooold joke... :lol:
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i debated this year
in the geelong region
I'm a third speaker normally
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i debated this year
in the geelong region
I'm a third speaker normally
ey BA22, what school do you go to in geelong?
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Personally? I love to mass debate.
LOL, that sounds better - the joke in our region is 'maths debate'.
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i debated this year
in the geelong region
I'm a third speaker normally
ey BA22, what school do you go to in geelong?
Trinity from colac
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Personally? I love to mass debate.
LOL, that sounds better - the joke in our region is 'maths debate'.
They must have lisps there. Has anyone noticed that it's incredibly mean to have an "s" sound in lisp?
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Yeh, mass debate sounds much better. Yes, it's discrimination :P
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What is a master debater?
I usually am third speaker/writer.
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What is a master debater?
I usually am third speaker/writer.
It's supposed to sound like 'masturbator'.
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What is a master debater?
I usually am third speaker/writer.
It's supposed to sound like 'masturbator'.
lol
I get it now. I have heard of maths-debater though. Maths debaters, what nerds they are?
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2nd speaker. I hate adjudicators that obviously don't want to be there. We had one adjudicator that literally turned around and was lookin @ the wall at the back of the room while one of our speakers was speaking. I think someone made a complaint.
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lol
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Chester Porter QC, "The gentle art of persuasion" (2005):
"At school I was quite a good debater and captained my school’s debating team against the teams of other schools. Team debating teaches valuable lessons in performing tasks and keeping to the point, and I acquired a good deal of experience in these.
Unfortunately, school team debating introduces people to advocacy too early. In advocacy, you put forward arguments in support of a proposition, regardless of whether you believe in it yourself. Team debating teaches you to do just that.
Although I gained a great deal of experience in debating at school and later at university, I soon learn that there were too many negatives in team debating. Emotion tended to be fienged rather than real, and arguments were made in order to win debating points from adjudicators, rather than to convince the audience. Young speakers and older ones too, tended to be smart show-offs and at times the distinction between wit and lack of manners became blurred.
I was a university adjudicator and saw and heard many debaters some of whom later became barristers. Team debating no doubt taught fluency, verbal skills and slick argument. But I think the real ability to persuade is a different skill altogether.
At university, I far preferred the parliamentary debates, the weekly Union Nights modeled on the Oxford Union where causes were debated by those who believed in them. My experience began there as a seventeen-year-old student among much better debaters.
When one has been a schoolboy captain of debating, there is a tendency to lose modesty as one is cheered by sympathetic audiences. My initial lack of success at Sydney University soon revived much of the modesty I had lost at school.”
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yes i'm a debater.. anyone adjudicating next year?
Yep. Although being in Canberra, I don't know how many dabates I'll actually be able to adjudicate. I asked them, and they said that's fine and also actually gave me the email of the Canberra debating organisation.
I debated in year 7, 8, 9 and 12 and was always first speaker until in my second debate in year 12, someone decided that they'd had enough of being 3rd speaker. I actually prefer third. If you do what they call 'thematic rebuttal' then the adjudicators love it. Basically, rather than bringing up every single point the other team made in the whole debate and saying why each point is bad, you just figure out the main strands of their argument (usually there's only one or two) and say why they're bad. Thirds get it easier than I thought!
I wasn't much good at secret topics though unless I wrote out my entire speech in that hour including rebuttal (which is eventually what I did). I seem to fall apart if I don't have preparation.
I don't know why I did it because beforehand I was always terribly nervous, but I don't know, I guess there was a geeky adrenaline buzz. And I got best speaker in all of my debates last year apart from one. It is essentially lying though, I couldn't count how many times I've argued for something I don't agree with, but the issues are hardly ever contentious, so most of them I didn't really care about either way. I'd like to say that it helped build my confidence and ability as a public speaker, but I don't know if it has. It has made me think about structure a lot more though and I'm sure it's intellectual stimulation. And it's something to put on my CV too.
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is anyone a master-debater?
Fail :P.
mass-debating ftw
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I'm a masturbator... oshi
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yes i'm a debater.. anyone adjudicating next year?
Yep. Although being in Canberra, I don't know how many dabates I'll actually be able to adjudicate. I asked them, and they said that's fine and also actually gave me the email of the Canberra debating organisation.
I debated in year 7, 8, 9 and 12 and was always first speaker until in my second debate in year 12, someone decided that they'd had enough of being 3rd speaker. I actually prefer third. If you do what they call 'thematic rebuttal' then the adjudicators love it. Basically, rather than bringing up every single point the other team made in the whole debate and saying why each point is bad, you just figure out the main strands of their argument (usually there's only one or two) and say why they're bad. Thirds get it easier than I thought!
I wasn't much good at secret topics though unless I wrote out my entire speech in that hour including rebuttal (which is eventually what I did). I seem to fall apart if I don't have preparation.
I don't know why I did it because beforehand I was always terribly nervous, but I don't know, I guess there was a geeky adrenaline buzz. And I got best speaker in all of my debates last year apart from one. It is essentially lying though, I couldn't count how many times I've argued for something I don't agree with, but the issues are hardly ever contentious, so most of them I didn't really care about either way. I'd like to say that it helped build my confidence and ability as a public speaker, but I don't know if it has. It has made me think about structure a lot more though and I'm sure it's intellectual stimulation. And it's something to put on my CV too.
there's an ANU debsoc (debating society), has regular debates throughout the year. one of my friends did it; he loved it.
you can also debate for your college in the interhall competition, though i imagine the competition to get in the debating team would be quite stiff at burgmat (everyone's into that kinda thing there).
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Yeah, I'm thinking of doing debating at uni. I was talking to someone who did it at Monash and even went overseas to debate!
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Me and enwiabe were discussing the difference between argument and persuasion on msn, and I think there is an important difference that is worth sharing with my fellow FSNers:
You have to see the distinction between arguing and persuasion. You could very well argue endlessly but in the end persuade and convince no one. If i knew there was 0 probability of persuading or convincing anyone, then I simply wouldn't bother arguing. What is the point? If i simply like the process of arguing in itself, regardless of whether i achieve the objective of persuasion, then I would debate kopite personally and endlessly but I didn't, because my objective was persuasion, and I saw little prospect of that occurring if I debated him in private.
"I have distinguished between confrontation and persuasion, It is many years now since Dale Carnegie, a pioneer in public speaking and personal development training, made the important distinction between argument and persuasion in his bestselling book 'How to Win Friends and influence People', first published in 1936. His book is not so frequently read today but many of his points are worth remembering. He advocated avoiding arguments in one-on-one conversations because if you won you provoked, if you lost you were humiliated." Chester Porter QC, 'The gentle art of persuasion' (2005), pp. 8-9