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Archived Discussion => Written Examinations => 2008 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Psychology => Topic started by: Jurples on November 06, 2008, 10:57:52 am

Title: Exam thoughts
Post by: Jurples on November 06, 2008, 10:57:52 am
How did everyone go?
It was mostly alright for me.. I had trouble with that short answer on Luke and his father (Q8?)
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mariaz on November 06, 2008, 11:00:52 am
it was not too bad. easier then i expected, but i think i stuffed up some silly questions
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 11:14:53 am
Quick question..... the very last question on the paper.. the breach question. i originally wrote that he breached voluntary participation because he coerced people through the extra marks. however i changed with to that he didnt offer withdrawal rights, meaning that participates could withdraw themsevles, and their results, from the study at any time. There was no mention at  all of withdrawal rights in the question. What do you think? Could it be both?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 11:18:53 am
Yeah both of those answers will considered correct as participants have to made aware that they have the right to withdraw and by that fact that the extra marks violate the voluntary participation aspect of the research
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: 85Holly on November 06, 2008, 11:19:32 am
they would have to give you a mark for both considering that they didnt include it in the exam.

i thought it was fairly okay to make up answers to questions you didnt know, m.c was a bit tricky though.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 11:20:06 am
you just made my day verbyla and holly lol. thanks
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 11:22:40 am
mc was fairly easy.
some tricky short answers.
could the results be generalised and did she use random sampling?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: 85Holly on November 06, 2008, 11:23:35 am
lol anytime.

yeah i screwed up that question bad. i had a major freaking mental blank and could only think of the ethical considerations that were already written so i said that the experimentor didnt way up the benefits of the experiment - so basically benifience.
shouldve studied.

x
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: 85Holly on November 06, 2008, 11:25:07 am
i dont think the results could be generalised because they were only specific to that group of students, the experiment was not repeated etc. & i think she did use random sampling... well i dont know how it could have been anything else otherwise. hm?
x
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 11:26:16 am
I found multiple choice fairly straight forward.

Think I might have lost more than 4-5 marks on short answer though :(
The question with Gayle, Luke and the dad was a bit confusing. I put this down (order might be wrong):

Gayle: Punishment
Luke : Positive Reinforcement
Gayle and Luke's Dad: Negative Reinforcement

Also with James, did anyone else say that spontaneous recovery did occur? I think I got that one wrong.

The research investigation was quite easy, for the other descriptive statistic I wasn't sure what to put down, I guessed and put down/defined  'median'?

The results could not be generalised because the sample was not selected randomly, thus not representative of the population.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 11:28:08 am
I put those answers for Gayle, luke and the dad.

 I said spontaneous recovery did not occur, because the UCS never stopped being presented from the CS whenever he went to work, thus extinction did not take place. But i could be wrong, who knows?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: ilovesuck on November 06, 2008, 11:29:40 am
i put the results could not be generalised because of the confounding variable of sex of participants, rendering the results invalid.
 
is this a possible answer?

you cant generalise invalid results ... right?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: 85Holly on November 06, 2008, 11:30:01 am
i dont think james did spontaneously recovered as he never overcame his fear in the first place, just avoided it kind of thing.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:30:43 am
Bah.
I got learning set wrong, I thought it was learning how to make a model (learning how to learn) but no it was B; basketball impeding on the ability to play netball.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 11:31:30 am
what sort of reinforcement did james experience?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:32:00 am
negative I mean.
EVERYONE TO THE CHAT ROOM!
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 11:32:25 am
i put the results could not be generalised because of the confounding variable of sex of participants, rendering the results invalid.
 
is this a possible answer?

you cant generalise invalid results ... right?

correct
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 11:33:24 am
the p value deemed the results to be statistical signifance, therefore generalisations can be made.....?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:34:18 am
they can't be made, because the sample (all females in group 1 and all males in group 2) made the sample unrepresentative of the population.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 11:35:56 am
I said that James received a negative reinforcement as the unpleasant feeling of anxiety had been removed and this lead to an increase in him taking sick days
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 11:36:37 am
yeah fairanough then....
group A would remember the most? 2nd question in memory
Indepedent group design was used?
what would gayles and lukes father do next time?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: cathtacular on November 06, 2008, 11:36:53 am
i had the same answers for the lukes family question
i was so confused by the descriptive statistics i left it to last and put down something random like graphs...
i wrote the results couldnt be generalized to the sampled population because of the variables other than the iv (the only one gender in each group thing) and it couldnt be genralized to the wider population because of the age/intellegance levels etc etc
i said spontanious recovery didnt occor
anyone have the exam??
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: cathtacular on November 06, 2008, 11:37:29 am
i said group a would remember most because they used context cues and recognition.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: nickalaz on November 06, 2008, 11:38:52 am
group A because of
context dependant cues and
recognition being more sensitive than recall

gayles and lukes father would repeat his behavour (send one to room, other allow to play) - because negative reinforcement meant the removal of an unpleasant stimulus (argument) strengthened his response..
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 11:39:25 am
What was the overall feeling of the exam for everyone??????
I didn't feel that the exam was hard, it was straight forward with there not being any little surprises
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 11:40:07 am
Doh guess I got the spontaneous recovery question wrong then >_<

mskwmskw:

I got those answers too :)

I put down: Gayle will less likely argue with Luke in a similar situation again, as punishment has weakened that behaviour from occuring. In a similar situation, the dad would apply punishment again as that behaviour has been strengthened by negative reinforcement (removal of the annoying stimulus, noise).
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 11:40:28 am
yeah i said that the father would repeat his actions.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: cathtacular on November 06, 2008, 11:41:46 am
i didnt talk about the kids in that question just the fathers behaviour was that wrong.?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 11:43:40 am
Is it still possible to get an A+ if I lost around 4-5 marks on the short answer?

Cath:
It would be correct as it only asked for the dad's behaviour.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:44:05 am
some people thought instead of the father they were speaking about Luke and Gayle.
ouch.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:44:23 am
Lulu - no one knows for certain.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 11:46:30 am
yeah lulu u can stilll get an A+ if u lost only 4 or 5 marks for SA. i think u can lose up to 8 marks n get an A+, in the mid year exam u could
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: cathtacular on November 06, 2008, 11:47:46 am
i want someone to put up the exam
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Aurelie. on November 06, 2008, 11:48:21 am
I thought the exam was pretty straight forward.. they avoided a lot of the obvious stuff that'd been on past exams too.
When I first saw that descriptive statistic question I was like oh god, but then I ended up putting down 'mode' . its that stuff isnt it? like median, mode, standard deviation?

I wrote that spontaneous recovery occurred too! But i think its wrong. I kept jumping back and forth between yes and no whilst I completed the rest of the exam. grr
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 11:48:50 am
i thin spontaneous recovery did occur?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: ham on November 06, 2008, 11:49:11 am
i really wanted to get a decent study score in psych.

i lost 2 marks before doubling on the midyear and prbably lost 3 or even 4 today.

anyone predict a score?

cheers
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 11:49:43 am
and ill be posting up the exam asap  ;D
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: j.el-halabi on November 06, 2008, 11:50:35 am
I thought the exam was pretty straight forward.. they avoided a lot of the obvious stuff that'd been on past exams too.
When I first saw that descriptive statistic question I was like oh god, but then I ended up putting down 'mode' . its that stuff isnt it? like median, mode, standard deviation?

I wrote that spontaneous recovery occurred too! But i think its wrong. I kept jumping back and forth between yes and no whilst I completed the rest of the exam. grr
my mate he got A+ on the mid years yeah, and he's got highest sac scores in our school.. he put PIE GRAPH for that question.. my teacher said it was right!
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:50:39 am
i really wanted to get a decent study score in psych.

i lost 2 marks before doubling on the midyear and prbably lost 3 or even 4 today.

anyone predict a score?

cheers

score = higher than me.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 11:52:42 am
I think the general trend it that u can loose up to 8 marks in total but each year it slightly changes
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 11:54:12 am
The reason why I put down spontaneous recovery...

Spontaneous recovery refers to the reappearance of a conditioned response (anxiety) after a period where the response was thought to be extinguised (the period when he was at home).

Argh :-\
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 11:54:42 am
Yup im pretty sure thats correct. its what i did :)
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 11:54:59 am
Maybe they will accept two answers...
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: cathtacular on November 06, 2008, 11:55:58 am

my mate he got A+ on the mid years yeah, and he's got highest sac scores in our school.. he put PIE GRAPH for that question.. my teacher said it was right!

i wrote bar graph, so maybe if a pie graph was write so was a bar graph :) here hoping

after the midyear did eriny or someone post sample answers to the exam??
i think i remember something about that- good idea :)
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 11:56:09 am
yeh if its explained correctly
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 11:57:19 am
No its not correct as the association between work and this feeling of anxiety was never extinguished, he avoided going to work so that feeling was only avoided.
The next time he goes back he will still get the feeling of anxiety
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 11:57:34 am

my mate he got A+ on the mid years yeah, and he's got highest sac scores in our school.. he put PIE GRAPH for that question.. my teacher said it was right!

i wrote bar graph, so maybe if a pie graph was write so was a bar graph :) here hoping

after the midyear did eriny or someone post sample answers to the exam??
i think i remember something about that- good idea :)

Yeh Eriny and Nick did.
im just scanning in the exam now. shouldnt be too long
would be awesome for sample answers
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sonnypls on November 06, 2008, 11:57:55 am
In need of placebo.
any researchers care to help me?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 11:58:29 am
im quite certain spontaneous recovery did not occur, as whenever the CS was present, the UCS was present all the time. Therefore extinction never occured. But hey, thats just my thoughts!

Also, can anyone else confirm that it was OK to put withdrawal rights on the last question? And also, in the statistically difference question, was it sufficient to say "yes" or did you have to say  "yes, as p < 0.05"?  Cheers!
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 12:00:16 pm
Given that it was a 1 mark question and they only gave us one line to write the answer I'd assume all you needed was yes, although I put down because the probability that chance blablabla too, just to be safe
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 12:01:29 pm
Withdrawal rights was a correct answer for the last question and i assume 'yes' was ok for the last question as it was only worth one mark and usually this means they want an answer which doesn't always need an explanation
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: misskaraleah on November 06, 2008, 12:02:02 pm
I found multiple choice fairly straight forward.

Think I might have lost more than 4-5 marks on short answer though :(
The question with Gayle, Luke and the dad was a bit confusing. I put this down (order might be wrong):

Gayle: Punishment
Luke : Positive Reinforcement
Gayle and Luke's Dad: Negative Reinforcement

Also with James, did anyone else say that spontaneous recovery did occur? I think I got that one wrong.

The research investigation was quite easy, for the other descriptive statistic I wasn't sure what to put down, I guessed and put down/defined  'median'?

The results could not be generalised because the sample was not selected randomly, thus not representative of the population.



QUESTION 8: IN TERMS OF OPERANT CONDITIONINGM STATE WHAT TYPE OF CONSEQEUNCE WAS RECIEVED BY.....

Emphasis on the Consequence. Operant conditioning refers to the principle that enables us to repaet desirable consequences, or avoid undersiable consequences.

Reinforcement or punishment is applied to the consequence and only used to strengthen or weaken beahviour.

So would it be acceptable if i put Positive consequences (reinforcement), negative consequences (punishment) etc.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hopelessxhearts on November 06, 2008, 12:02:37 pm
Pretty sure Spontaneous Recovery didnt occur, because the feeling of anxiety in association with his work was never extinguished..just avoided in James case.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 12:03:16 pm
I found multiple choice fairly straight forward.

Think I might have lost more than 4-5 marks on short answer though :(
The question with Gayle, Luke and the dad was a bit confusing. I put this down (order might be wrong):

Gayle: Punishment
Luke : Positive Reinforcement
Gayle and Luke's Dad: Negative Reinforcement

Also with James, did anyone else say that spontaneous recovery did occur? I think I got that one wrong.

The research investigation was quite easy, for the other descriptive statistic I wasn't sure what to put down, I guessed and put down/defined  'median'?

The results could not be generalised because the sample was not selected randomly, thus not representative of the population.



QUESTION 8: IN TERMS OF OPERANT CONDITIONINGM STATE WHAT TYPE OF CONSEQEUNCE WAS RECIEVED BY.....

Emphasis on the Consequence. Operant conditioning refers to the principle that enables us to repaet desirable consequences, or avoid undersiable consequences.

Reinforcement or punishment is applied to the consequence and only used to strengthen or weaken beahviour.

So would it be acceptable if i put Positive consequences (reinforcement), negative consequences (punishment) etc.

Umm yeah I think that'd be fine, would mine be wrong then? :o

oops posted too late
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Aurelie. on November 06, 2008, 12:04:37 pm
The reason why I put down spontaneous recovery...

Spontaneous recovery refers to the reappearance of a conditioned response (anxiety) after a period where the response was thought to be extinguised (the period when he was at home).

Argh :-\

I did that too. hmm.. I hope its right! I want that A+ damn it!
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: cathtacular on November 06, 2008, 12:06:42 pm
i am soooooooooooooooo glad psych is over :)
just thought id say ...
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 12:06:48 pm
me too lol
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 12:07:20 pm
i am soooooooooooooooo glad psych is over :)
just thought id say ...

Haha yeah, I'll miss it though, it was my fav subject this year :D
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Verbyla on November 06, 2008, 12:07:40 pm
                Classical Conditioning                                                   Operant Conditioning
The reinforcer is the UCS and this precedes the response   The reinforcer follows the desired response

People think that reinforcement can only be used in operant conditioning but it is used in both and comes in the for of negative and positive reinforcement in both cases

I'm pretty sure this is correct
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 12:11:34 pm
ive just uploaded it in another thread
Feel free to download
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 12:15:43 pm
tell me if this is way off to estimate a study score, a mate of mine reckon it's the right maths behind it?
sacs 90%                                           90*0.34= 30.6/2= 15.3.
A+ mid year exam 90%                         90*0.33=29.7/2=14.85
A end of year exam 80%                       80*0.33=26.4/2=13.2
                                                       15.3+14.85+13.2=43.35 raw
                                                       allow for scaling 41.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: rh on November 06, 2008, 12:22:38 pm
haha, all my work throughout the year was for nothing. i think i fucked this up majorly!

sigh, oh well
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: riadnicolas on November 06, 2008, 12:23:25 pm
tell me if this is way off to estimate a study score, a mate of mine reckon it's the right maths behind it?
sacs 90%                                           90*0.34= 30.6/2= 15.3.
A+ mid year exam 90%                         90*0.33=29.7/2=14.85
A end of year exam 80%                       80*0.33=26.4/2=13.2
                                                       15.3+14.85+13.2=43.35 raw
                                                       allow for scaling 41.


with a low A and low A+ its unlikely you'll get 40
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bingbinglanglang on November 06, 2008, 12:36:18 pm
for the very last question do u reckon you cudve put informed consent-because it was first year uni students there may of been some students under 18 hence would have to get informed consent from parnets? wud do u think?

Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 12:37:57 pm
"Prior to the study informed consent was given"

So i think your answer would be wrong :(
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bingbinglanglang on November 06, 2008, 12:45:07 pm
ohhh yeAHHHH ahahaha thanksss..hahah i totally spaced out
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: gardz on November 06, 2008, 12:46:55 pm
any chance the design method could have been repeated measures because of the list they all did prior to the second list? Cheeeers
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hopelessxhearts on November 06, 2008, 12:50:06 pm
Nah, it said they were asked to memorise a different list of 20 words. It was Independent Groups.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 12:51:30 pm
the question about james was it classical or operant conditioning.
im reading mixed responses

Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 12:52:14 pm
im most definite it was operant
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hopelessxhearts on November 06, 2008, 12:55:21 pm
UCS - being critisized
UCR - anxiety
CS - work
CR - anxiety for work

it fits classical.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 12:57:23 pm
i hope sisqo1111 is right
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: misskaraleah on November 06, 2008, 12:57:59 pm
tell me if this is way off to estimate a study score, a mate of mine reckon it's the right maths behind it?
sacs 90%                                           90*0.34= 30.6/2= 15.3.
A+ mid year exam 90%                         90*0.33=29.7/2=14.85
A end of year exam 80%                       80*0.33=26.4/2=13.2
                                                       15.3+14.85+13.2=43.35 raw
                                                       allow for scaling 41.


Is this THE way to work out a ss?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 12:58:52 pm
it was what a psych teacher at my school said. and trust me, he is very smart! been teaching it for over 30 years. and he read the question properly
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: j.el-halabi on November 06, 2008, 01:02:18 pm
UCS - being critisized
UCR - anxiety
CS - work
CR - anxiety for work

it fits classical.
yeh thats what i got..hoping for an A man after B+ on midyear..shattered me:(.. do you think i can get a 38 with that and an average sac mark of 93% over both units?? top of the class in sacs.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bingbinglanglang on November 06, 2008, 01:06:54 pm
omgsh yeah ur situation is just like me!!....but wasnt last semesters exam you had to get above 95% to get an a+? if you got 80% in exam 1, it was equilavent to a B or B+......thats wat i heard??
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 01:07:43 pm
im fairly sure its classical. The anxiety being the CR to arriving at work, the CS.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: username on November 06, 2008, 01:08:46 pm
I said operant conditioning, as there is no reinforcement in classical conditioning. By not coming to work, he was negatively reinforced as it removed the unpleasant stimulus of his boss' criticisms.

I also said spontaneous recovery did not occur, simply because extinction didn't. My reasoning for this is that for extinction to have occurred, James would have needed to feel no anxiety despite his boss' criticisms, which didn't happen since he hid in his house.

What did you guys say about the question with the consolidation theory?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: KeyMan on November 06, 2008, 01:09:42 pm
UCS - being critisized
UCR - anxiety
CS - work
CR - anxiety for work

it fits classical.

I thought it was operant, James not going to work is negative reinforcement, he is taking away an aversive stimulus (going to work) in order to receive a pleasant consequence (no anxiety).

And it wasn't spontaneously recovered as it was never extinguished in the first place.

I stuffed up question 8 a) iii. I though it meant Gayle (the girl) and the father so I thought it was referring to two people. Then when i came out of the exam, I had a second look at my teacher's copy and realised it was asking about just the father. I couldn't answer it properly because I was lost, how do I answer it for both the girl and her father when I've already answered for the girl in the first part of the question. Curse my stupidity ><
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bingbinglanglang on November 06, 2008, 01:10:37 pm
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omgsh yeah ur situation is just like me!!....but wasnt last semesters exam you had to get above 95% to get an a+? if you got 80% in exam 1, it was equilavent to a B or B+......thats wat i heard??
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: j.el-halabi on November 06, 2008, 01:11:07 pm
omgsh yeah ur situation is just like me!!....but wasnt last semesters exam you had to get above 95% to get an a+? if you got 80% in exam 1, it was equilavent to a B or B+......thats wat i heard??

yeah thats what i heard to.. i dunno i hope i can get 38 atleast.. worked my butt off all year just havent prevailed
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hopelessxhearts on November 06, 2008, 01:15:16 pm
Holy shit I think I wrote Classical Conditioning and then put Negative Reinforcement...haha oh dear.
Now I'm just even more confused.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mariaz on November 06, 2008, 01:17:06 pm
i think i did the same, wrote classical conditioning but then wrote about negative reinforcement. oh my im confused. lol and i also sed it wasn't spontaneously recovered because it was never extinguished.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 01:18:23 pm
[quote author=hopelessxhearts link=topic=7098.msg87312#msg87312
I stuffed up question 8 a) iii. I though it meant Gayle (the girl) and the father so I thought it was referring to two people. Then when i came out of the exam, I had a second look at my teacher's copy and realised it was asking about just the father. I couldn't answer it properly because I was lost, how do I answer it for both the girl and her father when I've already answered for the girl in the first part of the question. Curse my stupidity ><

haha yes! that's what I did too, the wording sucked.

"Gayle and Luke's father" - i thought they were from different parents or something random :o

I think i still put the right answer in there somewhere though, for the second part. sigh, couldn't they have just written 'the father'?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bingbinglanglang on November 06, 2008, 01:19:28 pm
hhahaha i did that tooo...i put classical conditioning for the first part and then in the next question wrote negative reinforcement!!
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: nickalaz on November 06, 2008, 01:20:56 pm
im fairly certain it was classical conditioning, for the reasons everyone has given
BUT
if you noticed, AFTER that question, it gave you new information about his situation - it was telling you about how he behaved
that then prompted you to talk about negative reinforcement.

that EXTRA information is what changes everything
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 01:21:21 pm
Holy shit I think I wrote Classical Conditioning and then put Negative Reinforcement...haha oh dear.
Now I'm just even more confused.

couldn't it be a 'hybrid' case? like the second part of the question was where operant conditioning principles applied i.e. negative reinforcement and the first part was referring to classical conditioning?

The way they have set out of question seems like that...how they write a separate scenario for the second part (i.e. sick leave) to trick us into writing the same for both.

sorry if this didn't make much sense...

uh yeah, what the person above said
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hopelessxhearts on November 06, 2008, 01:23:05 pm
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I stuffed up question 8 a) iii. I though it meant Gayle (the girl) and the father so I thought it was referring to two people. Then when i came out of the exam, I had a second look at my teacher's copy and realised it was asking about just the father. I couldn't answer it properly because I was lost, how do I answer it for both the girl and her father when I've already answered for the girl in the first part of the question. Curse my stupidity ><

haha yes! that's what I did too, the wording sucked.

"Gayle and Luke's father" - i thought they were from different parents or something random :o

I think i still put the right answer in there somewhere though, for the second part. sigh, couldn't they have just written 'the father'?

LOL me too. I was like wait, Gayle AND the father? But it already asked for Gayle.. then I realised it was just the father.. they should've been worded as -
Luke:
Gayle:
Their Father:

Since i over analyse everything wayy too much.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mariaz on November 06, 2008, 01:23:18 pm
im fairly certain it was classical conditioning, for the reasons everyone has given
BUT
if you noticed, AFTER that question, it gave you new information about his situation - it was telling you about how he behaved
that then prompted you to talk about negative reinforcement.

that EXTRA information is what changes everything

what did you put for the spontaneous recovery??
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: nickalaz on November 06, 2008, 01:27:22 pm
NO, spontaneous recovery didn't occur
Because he was purely avoiding the unpleasant stimulus - had spontaneous recovery occured, the behaviour had to have been extinct. and there was no evidence to tell us that it had been extinguished.

to me it seems just a trick question, to separate the men from the boys... most people who don't think about it enough, will just assume that it occurs
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mariaz on November 06, 2008, 01:29:49 pm
yeah thats wot i said too. i jst was getting confused cos of other peoples answers.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: username on November 06, 2008, 01:31:58 pm
NO, spontaneous recovery didn't occur
Because he was purely avoiding the unpleasant stimulus - had spontaneous recovery occured, the behaviour had to have been extinct. and there was no evidence to tell us that it had been extinguished.

to me it seems just a trick question, to separate the men from the boys... most people who don't think about it enough, will just assume that it occurs

aahahaha
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: arthurk on November 06, 2008, 02:41:50 pm
lol yeah teacher said no spontaneous recovery occurred
i dont think i did too well even though i studied so much
took more time to do it that i had hoped
anyone else stress over the spontaneous recovery question like i did?
although my whole class wrote no it didnt at the end so i was relieved i did too and teacher confirmed it
my thoughts on the exam
high A low A+
although pray to god high-mid A+:P
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: moshi on November 06, 2008, 02:47:57 pm
im quite certain spontaneous recovery did not occur, as whenever the CS was present, the UCS was present all the time. Therefore extinction never occured. But hey, thats just my thoughts!

Also, can anyone else confirm that it was OK to put withdrawal rights on the last question? And also, in the statistically difference question, was it sufficient to say "yes" or did you have to say  "yes, as p < 0.05"?  Cheers!


i'm not sure if you could just write "yes", i did that in the 2006 vcaa exam in class, and my teacher marked every student who just wrote "yes" as wrong, because according to the examiners report, you needed this:
"The results are statistically significant. The probability that the results occurred by chance alone is stated to be less than five per cent (p < .05)."
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: melaniej on November 06, 2008, 02:51:04 pm
ARGH. I'm so glad it is over. I've been stressing out for ages about it, and now its done.

But I screwed up baaaaad! Made many silly mistakes, put operant for that James question, the second the exam finished, I changed my mind.
Also mind blanked on the research measures, and had a horrible headache the whole time.

BUT PSYCH IS FINISHED!!! :D
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: arthurk on November 06, 2008, 02:53:51 pm
so let's have a psych party yeah:P
only ppl doing psych are invited
xavier college not on list you guys might wreck the place im sorry
nah just kidding u guys can come too:P
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 02:55:14 pm
haha!

congratulations to all psych '08ers! :)
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hard on November 06, 2008, 03:00:45 pm
legal ftw :P
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: killsdow on November 06, 2008, 04:33:56 pm
For the question in research methods about random sampling.

Did anyone say it was?
Because every participant had an equal chance of volunteering to be part of the study, thus it would have been random sampling wouldn't it?

Although I put that it wasn't random sampling... after talking to friends it seems as if it was actually random sampling for the experiment.
Trick question?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: russdog on November 06, 2008, 05:14:45 pm
killsdow sorry i dont think it can be cos the fact that people came forward (volunteering) doesnt make it random
only a certain type of person would want to volunteer, hence its not representative of a true random cross section of the population
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: russdog on November 06, 2008, 05:16:34 pm
can u say "yes, as p<0.05"...is that sufficient or do u need more words?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: killsdow on November 06, 2008, 05:18:53 pm
Doesn't that apply to normal random sampling anyway? Since people that participate in any study must choose to do so voluntarily...
ie. Voluntary participation code of ethics

The more I think about it the more it feels like I got tricked ><"

edit: And I just said yes, it was only worth one mark so it should be fine.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 06, 2008, 06:11:49 pm
a psych teacher at my school said voluntary participation is not one that was breached, been teaching the sub for over 30 years. he did although say that integrity and beneficence were acceptable. he said that some students may not have needed the extra marks or something and those who did participate did it voluntarily, thus it was not breached. he said it in a more complicated way lol
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: mskwmskw on November 06, 2008, 06:13:32 pm
i did random sampling and voluntary participation


Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: jess3254 on November 06, 2008, 06:15:40 pm
YAY! It's over!

I am pretty happy with how I went. I didn't walk out of the examination room thinking, "oh shit I did terribly", so that's a start at least.

I'm going to go check over my answers now to estimate a result haha.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: rena on November 06, 2008, 06:19:34 pm
i am not sure i did wat lulu did i am so confused
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bridgethuss on November 06, 2008, 06:27:20 pm
i liked this exam. thought it was pretty easy, hoping for b+ - a
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sitzamurz on November 06, 2008, 06:29:45 pm
Wait can someone please tell me what they wrote for what the population and sample was of the study and put me out of my misery? It was in the SA section about the research senario...

 :'( ???
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Lulu on November 06, 2008, 06:35:40 pm
Population: 200 first year psychology students
Sample: 40 first year psychology students
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: rh on November 06, 2008, 06:36:42 pm
i added 'from kookaburra uni.' onto the end of each answer...

does that make it wrong?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: moshi on November 06, 2008, 06:53:10 pm
i did that too
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hancakes on November 06, 2008, 07:10:18 pm
i specified 20 male and 20 female in the sample... is that ok?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sitzamurz on November 06, 2008, 07:27:21 pm
For the sample, I wrote this:

40 First Year Psychology students who wanted extra marks

Is that still correct???
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: FromOutside50 on November 06, 2008, 07:30:58 pm
im quite certain spontaneous recovery did not occur, as whenever the CS was present, the UCS was present all the time. Therefore extinction never occured. But hey, thats just my thoughts!

Also, can anyone else confirm that it was OK to put withdrawal rights on the last question? And also, in the statistically difference question, was it sufficient to say "yes" or did you have to say  "yes, as p < 0.05"?  Cheers!


i'm not sure if you could just write "yes", i did that in the 2006 vcaa exam in class, and my teacher marked every student who just wrote "yes" as wrong, because according to the examiners report, you needed this:
"The results are statistically significant. The probability that the results occurred by chance alone is stated to be less than five per cent (p < .05)."

cheers for the reply. i looked at the question in 2006 and it said "are the results statistically significant", to which you would write yes, as p is less than .05.

however today's question was "is there a statisticlaly significant difference between results". The p value might still be less than .05 and there may not be a difference between the scores, which is probably why i didnt add it in hmmmmm.
haha pretty silly that im stressing over one trivial one mark quesiton tho
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: pisspot.2005 on November 07, 2008, 12:20:58 am
i wrote withdrawl rights weren't stated but being psychology students it was assumed that they were aware of it
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: moshi on November 07, 2008, 08:31:07 am
i wrote withdrawal rights as well, because it wasn't mentioned, but most people i know wrote voluntary participation, so i'm kind of worried
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: nickalaz on November 07, 2008, 12:25:47 pm
i put withdrawel rights also - most of the past exams i did, if it didn't mention something, it counted as an ethics breach

and it clearly said "THEY WERE DEBRIEFED"
which made me assume they wanted u to remember something that hadn't been mentioned
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: daniele on November 07, 2008, 12:51:12 pm
Ah, I put justice for the last question. I just couldn't think of anything else so I said that it was unfair (to those who didn't volunteer) that they were able to recieve extra marks just for volunteering.

I didn't write voluntary participation because the fact that they volunteered to take part in the experiment themselves threw me off.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: j.el-halabi on November 07, 2008, 01:03:30 pm
hey you know for the father son daughter scenario, i also put negative reinforcement for the son, because the daughter was fighting with him but the father removed her so that reinforced his behaviour?? any idea if that could be correct.. i can see why people put positive reinforcement to.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hopelessxhearts on November 07, 2008, 01:25:30 pm
Positive reinforcement was the correct answer for the son, because he is getting reinforced (ie. getting the toy) for a particular behaviour (ie. being loud)

Negative Reinforcement was only for the Father, he took away an annoying stimulus (Gayle) and in turn got peace and quiet (positive consequence)

Hope that made sense..
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: amyminchin on November 07, 2008, 09:39:24 pm
The correct answer was the for the last q was voluntary patricipation.

Vocluntary paticipation= participants are not forced to take part in the experiment and can not take part with no negative consequences.

The students who chose not to take part incurred neg consequences thus VP is correct.

Also, I think the sample was: 20 males and 20 female first year psych students from kookaburra uni, and the pop was: first year psych students from kookaburra uni.
the question specifically stated that the researcher was looking the effects of sugar on first year students form kookaburra university.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sisqo1111 on November 07, 2008, 10:41:19 pm
yeh but other answers should be accepted for the ethical breach. such that of beneficence or integrity
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: clau.diia on November 07, 2008, 11:01:06 pm
Quote
a psych teacher at my school said voluntary participation is not one that was breached, been teaching the sub for over 30 years. he did although say that integrity and beneficence were acceptable. he said that some students may not have needed the extra marks or something and those who did participate did it voluntarily, thus it was not breached. he said it in a more complicated way lol

But it WAS breached. They're supposed to want to take part in their study on their own WITHOUT influence from the experimenter. The experimenter, however, offered those who participated a reward thus that would be an insentive to participate and would probably influence students to join the study to pass or something. Maybe those students wouldn't have done it if they didn't have a 'reward' so it was breached.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: sandhya on November 07, 2008, 11:36:43 pm
hey for the spontaneous recovery q - do you know if NO was the only answer? Could you say yes and if you explained it /attempted to, get 1 or 2 marks? It was out of 2 marks. thanks :)
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: gossip girl on November 07, 2008, 11:57:51 pm
james experienced negative reinforcement - he wasn't being told off by his boss, therefore the removal of something negative.
I said operant conditioning for the start of that question, but I'm pretty sure it was classical :S
also, with luke and gayle etc., do you think I would still get full marks if I wrote this:

Gayle: unpleasant consequence (punishment)
Luke: pleasant consequence (positive reinforcement)
Gayle and Luke's dad: pleasant consequence (negative reinforcement)

the way the question was phrased, I thought they were asking whether the consequence was good or bad, but after I got out of the exam I realised that was dumb haha. lucky I put the answer in brackets, do you think that will count?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: hard on November 07, 2008, 11:59:00 pm
hey who want's some pancakes?




























bitches
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bridgethuss on November 08, 2008, 11:03:13 am

also, with luke and gayle etc., do you think I would still get full marks if I wrote this:

Gayle: unpleasant consequence (punishment)
Luke: pleasant consequence (positive reinforcement)
Gayle and Luke's dad: pleasant consequence (negative reinforcement)

the way the question was phrased, I thought they were asking whether the consequence was good or bad, but after I got out of the exam I realised that was dumb haha. lucky I put the answer in brackets, do you think that will count?

oh shit i did the same, except i didnt put in brackets punishment or whatever i just had pleasant and annoying consequence, i also thought the way the question was phrased was a bit confusing haha.
ok so maybe now im looking at a b+ haha
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: extra-UNcool on November 08, 2008, 12:07:53 pm
did anyone notice that the hardest questions in the multiple choice were taken directly from past exams? as well as the wording for a lot of the other questions were pretty weird. looks like they were testing for english comprehension rather than knowledge in the course. i think it was pretty good overall though. research investigations was pretty much a blur though. was it a repeated measures design that they used?
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: username on November 08, 2008, 12:11:51 pm
did anyone notice that the hardest questions in the multiple choice were taken directly from past exams? as well as the wording for a lot of the other questions were pretty weird. looks like they were testing for english comprehension rather than knowledge in the course. i think it was pretty good overall though. research investigations was pretty much a blur though. was it a repeated measures design that they used?

Independent groups. Group one was experimental, group two the control. --> sugar, no sugar.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: morrjs on November 08, 2008, 01:49:55 pm
yea.. the question about preparing at 9.30 the night before for a presentation...and what he should do...was from '07
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: clau.diia on November 08, 2008, 03:08:46 pm
if i wrote independent research design..that's wrong isn't it? I kind of blanked out on the word groups during the exam. Ah well.
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: bridgethuss on November 08, 2008, 03:54:40 pm
i put independent groups. and should the dude have gone to bed? thats what i put haha
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: Eliseblack on November 08, 2008, 04:34:23 pm
yeah if its the same as last years he should go to bed...
although, it was 9.30 at night!!
pretty early if you ask me, he'll just have pre-presentation jitters and not sleep till 12 anyway, silly vcaa!!
Title: Re: Exam thoughts
Post by: GMK11 on November 14, 2008, 09:18:11 pm
hey for the spontaneous recovery q - do you know if NO was the only answer? Could you say yes and if you explained it /attempted to, get 1 or 2 marks? It was out of 2 marks. thanks :)

yeh I'm curious about this too ?

I know the answer was no.
But would you still get 1 mark if u defined spontaneous recovery, even if u said yes?