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Archived Discussion => Written Examinations => 2008 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Business Management => Topic started by: RD on November 14, 2008, 02:35:41 pm
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Enwiabe is a faggot, discuss.
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nailed it! great exam. a+ :)
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l ive lost four marks already.... wa did people say for hrm in employee relations, strategies for the closure and did u need to suggest a layout for the operations strategy question
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YAY!!! ITS ALL OVER!!!
I think I did pretty well. I think it may have been too easy. Hopefully over 40
HR strategies for closure I put redundancy packages and exit interviews.
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HR strategies for closure I put redundancy packages and exit interviews.
I wrote Redundancy package and voluntary redundancy... fucking felt stupid doing that question
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HR strategies for closure I put redundancy packages and exit interviews.
I wrote Redundancy package and voluntary redundancy... fucking felt stupid doing that question
Aren't they basically the same thing?
Like a redundancy package can be voluntary or forced upon you. thats what i wrote.
for the three levels of planning
front line- lower management
operational- middle
strategic?-senior
i wrote that and then i looked in Access Ed notes after the exam they had operational and frontline as the same and the middle management one being tactical. but looked in my text book and it has it as frontline operational and strategic
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Praying that the cut-offs go down, exam felt pretty difficult.
HR strategies for closure I put redundancy packages and exit interviews.
I wrote Redundancy package and voluntary redundancy... fucking felt stupid doing that question
Aren't they basically the same thing?
yeah thats why I felt retarded cause I couldn't think of anything else.
anyway, gotta get packing, going to QLD tomorrow.
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Praying that the cut-offs go down, exam felt pretty difficult.
HR strategies for closure I put redundancy packages and exit interviews.
I wrote Redundancy package and voluntary redundancy... fucking felt stupid doing that question
Aren't they basically the same thing?
yeah thats why I felt retarded cause I couldn't think of anything else.
anyway, gotta get packing, going to QLD tomorrow.
have fun man! im sure u did alrite. dont worry about vce anymore!
Weeeee its ovaaaaaaaaaa
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wat did people say for hrm in employee relations, strategies for the closure and did u need to suggest a layout for the operations strategy question
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for the three levels of planning
front line- lower management
operational- middle
strategic?-senior
i wrote that and then i looked in Access Ed notes after the exam they had operational and frontline as the same and the middle management one being tactical. but looked in my text book and it has it as frontline operational and strategic
yeah its ... strategic planning. - senior managers
Tactical planning. - middle mangers
Operational planning - front line managers.
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WWOOOOOOOOHHOOOO!! That exam was bliss! So happy everything is finished now!!
For the HR strategies I put voluntary redundancy packages as well as interviews that discuss job outplacements.. interview skills and references so that the employees can find a replacement job.
VCAA are cruel... adding all those extra lines for the questions!! My hand was going to come off after the first 5 minutes!! I thought I wouldn't have enough time but I finished everything and used up all the extra space at the back.
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I dont think u understood me.
in diffenrt texts they do it differnt ways
in the steve barille text book they do
strategic
operational
front line
but in access ed notes (and possibly A+ notes, not sure)
they have
strategic
tactical
operational/front line
soo im saying obviously if u explained them the right way but just had any of those names for them then it shood be alrite yeh?
also, how did people do the indicators of corporate culture?
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I dont think u understood me.
in diffenrt texts they do it differnt ways
in the steve barille text book they do
strategic
operational
front line
but in access ed notes (and possibly A+ notes, not sure)
they have
strategic
tactical
operational/front line
soo im saying obviously if u explained them the right way but just had any of those names for them then it shood be alrite yeh?
also, how did people do the indicators of corporate culture?
For that planning question I put: strategic (senior management/CEO), tactical (middle management-HR manager) and front-line planning..
if you explained them you will get the marks.. did anyone fully 100% link each level back to the case study? I linked strategic planning to the case study about the merge.. and how it is a long term plan that affects the overall direction... blah blah
I didn't really explicitely mention the specific organisation for the other levels... i think it will be fine cos it was a broad question that didn't say 'link it the organisation..' or anything like that.
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It was an easy exam.
My teacher told me the strategic thing for HR. Packages and help finding employees will do the trick.
I am not sure about you guys who wrote exit enterviews but I guess that could work.
My only worry was the Socially responsible question other than that everything was fine.
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Jayden: I only linked back strategic cause it was merger and ceo level. the others i didnt really link back. i just gave examples.
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Jayden: I only linked back strategic cause it was merger and ceo level. the others i didnt really link back. i just gave examples.
Yeah same.. that should be good :D
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I had no idea about that HR strategies thing. I used change tactics. xD
And for that facilities design and layout, I didn't know what to do. I said something about moving a facility closer to the docks or something so that it would be quicker to get the parts into production.
For corporate culture, I just said mission statement and employee behaviour.
I didn't provide examples unless they specifically stated it. It was something I might have added it if I had the time, but my mind was dead after the first hour, so I'm pretty lucky that I even finished.
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
other than that, pretty easy exam. a bit long though. for corporate culture i wrote about relations amongst employees + relationships b/w mgmt and employees.
anyway, i couldnt give a fuck, its OVER FUCK YOU VCE
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
Nah, you didn't have to link them back [i hope not].. I just linked back strategic planning to the case study but thats about it.. for tactical and front-line I used generic examples.
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Don't have to that was a general question
Linking back will just show that you are smart and understand them perfectly kind of thing.
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
Nah, you didn't have to link them back [i hope not].. I just linked back strategic planning to the case study but thats about it.. for tactical and front-line I used generic examples.
ah okay, and did you have to give examples?
all i did was strategic is done by top level of mgmt with an intention of achieving set obj in the next 3-5 years
and then the same for operational and front line planning (those are the ones right?)
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
Nah, you didn't have to link them back [i hope not].. I just linked back strategic planning to the case study but thats about it.. for tactical and front-line I used generic examples.
ah okay, and did you have to give examples?
all i did was strategic is done by top level of mgmt with an intention of achieving set obj in the next 3-5 years
and then the same for operational and front line planning (those are the ones right?)
I only gave examples because it was a 6 mark question so I wanted to milk out everything I knew about that topic haha.. I just wrote more so I could fill up all the writing space.
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
Nah, you didn't have to link them back [i hope not].. I just linked back strategic planning to the case study but thats about it.. for tactical and front-line I used generic examples.
ah okay, and did you have to give examples?
all i did was strategic is done by top level of mgmt with an intention of achieving set obj in the next 3-5 years
and then the same for operational and front line planning (those are the ones right?)
I only gave examples because it was a 6 mark question so I wanted to milk out everything I knew about that topic haha.. I just wrote more so I could fill up all the writing space.
ahh okay fair enough lol. i reckon it would be 3 marks for identifying the levels and then 3 marks for describing it. hopefully examples aren't needed.
reckon this exam was easier than last years? i didnt really do 07 under time constraints.
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
Nah, you didn't have to link them back [i hope not].. I just linked back strategic planning to the case study but thats about it.. for tactical and front-line I used generic examples.
ah okay, and did you have to give examples?
all i did was strategic is done by top level of mgmt with an intention of achieving set obj in the next 3-5 years
and then the same for operational and front line planning (those are the ones right?)
I only gave examples because it was a 6 mark question so I wanted to milk out everything I knew about that topic haha.. I just wrote more so I could fill up all the writing space.
ahh okay fair enough lol. i reckon it would be 3 marks for identifying the levels and then 3 marks for describing it. hopefully examples aren't needed.
reckon this exam was easier than last years? i didnt really do 07 under time constraints.
I reckon it was harder.. yeah. Only because a lot of people wouldn't have been able to actually write enough to fill up the spaces and get the full marks. Most people would have got stuck on the matrix structure.. those HR strategies and the questions about competitiveness and social responsibility issues. They covered the basic topics but had the questions in a tricky sort of way... a lot of people from school left really early [only like 4 other people stayed till the very end].. which would indicate that most people found it hard or to long.
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For the "define employee relations and explain roles" did you guys/girls use POLC?
And also, what did everyone say for the Facilities and Design Layout response?
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fudgee, i didnt link back the levels of planning to the CS..were we sposed to? :(
Nah, you didn't have to link them back [i hope not].. I just linked back strategic planning to the case study but thats about it.. for tactical and front-line I used generic examples.
ah okay, and did you have to give examples?
all i did was strategic is done by top level of mgmt with an intention of achieving set obj in the next 3-5 years
and then the same for operational and front line planning (those are the ones right?)
I only gave examples because it was a 6 mark question so I wanted to milk out everything I knew about that topic haha.. I just wrote more so I could fill up all the writing space.
ahh okay fair enough lol. i reckon it would be 3 marks for identifying the levels and then 3 marks for describing it. hopefully examples aren't needed.
reckon this exam was easier than last years? i didnt really do 07 under time constraints.
I reckon it was harder.. yeah. Only because a lot of people wouldn't have been able to actually write enough to fill up the spaces and get the full marks. Most people would have got stuck on the matrix structure.. those HR strategies and the questions about competitiveness and social responsibility issues. They covered the basic topics but had the questions in a tricky sort of way... a lot of people from school left really early [only like 4 other people stayed till the very end].. which would indicate that most people found it hard or to long.
awesome :D so that means getting a 55 this time might not necessarily mean a 43 like my friend got.
for the role of HRM i just wrote about how it was his duty to satisfy both org and employees in terms of pay and conditions and stuff :/ and just wrote a whole load of BS on that
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Only seven people stayed behind (out of 50) till the very end.
Sanjay, I hope not. That flew over my head. I just talked about remuneration and conditions. How it was important to keep costs down but also be enough to retain/attract employees. :(
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and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
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hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
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I thought it was pretty long- and had a bit of ambiguity about it
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and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
i did fixed position layout. :)
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hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
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hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
woah haha, i didnt go into anywhere near that detail. you are so going to get a 60/60 :P
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hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
Did you Do POLC for the Employee relations question (i.e. the roles)?
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this exam was shithouse. No IPO no centralised v decentralised industrial relations? wtff
realistically 56 out of 60
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hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
woah haha, i didnt go into anywhere near that detail. you are so going to get a 60/60 :P
lol.. I wrote so much.. my hand was shaking after the first 5 minutes... I seriously didn't think I would finish!
hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
Did you Do POLC for the Employee relations question (i.e. the roles)?
Nope. I don't think that using the POLC was necessary. I think the question was more asking about the role that HR managers play in employee relations. I said how they negotiate with employees so as to better improve relationships and staff morale.. negotiate with trade unions... ensure that contracts (Awards, collective agreements) are being implemented and correctly followed... just basically everything surrounding the employee relationship and improving the organisations culture.. blah blah
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hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
woah haha, i didnt go into anywhere near that detail. you are so going to get a 60/60 :P
lol.. I wrote so much.. my hand was shaking after the first 5 minutes... I seriously didn't think I would finish!
hey, random question but which exam was harder, this yrs or last yrs?
I did the 07 one.
This years was slightly harder.
and for facilities design and layout i talked about using a product layout lol..i dno if thats right.
I just defined facilities design and layout... and then I talked about how the company (Crispy Cleaners or something?? hhah) could implement a product layout in the China factory so that parts and products are produced in a sequential line, hence increasing productivity and saving time and effort.. and then I said that the factories in Australia could implement a process layout where the washing machines can be moved around the organisation to the different sections so that it can be completed at the highest standard..... blah blah..... then just mentioned how rearranging the layout so as to optimise movement and space will better improve the organisation!!!!! and it goes on and on..
Did you Do POLC for the Employee relations question (i.e. the roles)?
Nope. I don't think that using the POLC was necessary. I think the question was more asking about the role that HR managers play in employee relations. I said how they negotiate with employees so as to better improve relationships and staff morale.. negotiate with trade unions... ensure that contracts (Awards, collective agreements) are being implemented and correctly followed... just basically everything surrounding the employee relationship and improving the organisations culture.. blah blah
the roles question was worth 4 marks. also it said the role that "insert name here" could use as human resource manager. Pretty sure that it was polc.
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It was skills not roles.
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@kelep: it wasn't. the question was - define employee relations and discuss the role the HRM plays in it. or something like that. didn't specify the use of a role or anything like that.
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I dont think it was POLC for employee relations. If someone asks yiou what your role is, you dont say "planning organising leading and controlling" lol
the role of the HR manager is to negotiate conditons and pay for employees and to ensure all parties (employers and employyees) are happy with the outcome.
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^it wasn't. the question was - define employee relations and discuss the role the HRM plays in it. or something like that. didn't specify the use of a role or anything like that.
Yeah, I agre... It was basically just asking what does the HR manager do (what tasks... activities..) in regards to employee relations - not the actual management roles.
If it was talking about roles, it would have specifically said..
'Identify and describe two management roles that ____ would use in order to effectively implement good employee relations'.
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i wrote for the HRM employee relations that a hrm is reposnible for planning, organising, leadding and controlling all matters to do with employess as efficiently and effictively as possible... and then went on to talk about how with the matter the hrm would be involved in the maintence of the employees and/or dismissal ...then talked bout relationship with hrm and employees and negotiations ect. ?
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I wouldn't worry much about that question. It was ambiguous like you don't know what it is answer.
Definately not POLC that has nothing to do with that kind of role. I wrote heaps on that just couldn't lose 4 marks lol.
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I dont think it was POLC for employee relations. If someone asks yiou what your role is, you dont say "planning organising leading and controlling" lol
the role of the HR manager is to negotiate conditons and pay for employees and to ensure all parties (employers and employyees) are happy with the outcome.
Sweet- that's what I said- but quite a few people from my school (which isn't a stupid school by any means!) said they used POLC.
For the facilities question- I screwed it up a bit- cause I did it last amd it was near the end and I had written too much. I just said how the firm could use a layout- to make the older machines more prominant in the store to ensure the older machines are sold- and then chucked something in about the supply chain.
I couldn't really see (at the time) how the product or process layout would apply to a firm that wasn't actually making the machines- or so I thought :P
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THE QUESTION WAS COMMING DIRECTLY FROM THIS DOT POINT (below are notes from A+ notes - doesn't directly mention POLC ):
– the role of human resource managers in employee relations, under a decentralised approach
There are three stages at which the Human Resource Manager might be involved in Employee Relations.
1) HRMs are often involved as employer representatives in the process of negotiating new agreements
This can involve long discussions with workers and/or their unions, keeping in mind the legal requirements as well as the organisations financial situation.
2) HRMs are responsible for making sure that the agreements are implemented correctly
3) HRMs may be required to negotiate in times of industrial unrest and disputes
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Looks like the majority of you did well on the exam, well done everyone, ^_^
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hey oddette, you got 40 raw didnt you? for BM. do you know what mark you got for your exams?
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she got a 40 after scaling
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I dont think u understood me.
in diffenrt texts they do it differnt ways
in the steve barille text book they do
strategic
operational
front line
but in access ed notes (and possibly A+ notes, not sure)
they have
strategic
tactical
operational/front line
soo im saying obviously if u explained them the right way but just had any of those names for them then it shood be alrite yeh?
Probably late in responding to your question about the different terms various texts use... but from my understanding, examiners are aware of the fact that students have different texts.
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she got a 40 after scaling
ohh, my bad
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I didn't get the SoM, I only got the SoR, if it helps I got an A+ ...
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I dont think u understood me.
in diffenrt texts they do it differnt ways
in the steve barille text book they do
strategic
operational
front line
but in access ed notes (and possibly A+ notes, not sure)
they have
strategic
tactical
operational/front line
soo im saying obviously if u explained them the right way but just had any of those names for them then it shood be alrite yeh?
Probably late in responding to your question about the different terms various texts use... but from my understanding, examiners are aware of the fact that students have different texts.
coool thanks
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I thought it was pretty good, some vague and trick questions with the indicator of the culture thing, and was stuck on the social responsible question but then I finished the exam like 1/2 hr early (I dont know if thats a good thing) so I had time to go back and add more just to make sure I get marks, hopefully nearly full marks cos I need a 45+ argh. Thankfully no IR yessss.
And all you lucky people who are finished now, still got one more next weeek!
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hey guys you know the indicator for culture - was it like dress code, relations among staff, communication channels or was it was it ask for kpis which indicate culture... weird stuff
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hey guys you know the indicator for culture - was it like dress code, relations among staff, communication channels or was it was it ask for kpis which indicate culture... weird stuff
For that question I put: style of dress and language among staff and the prevailing management style. It was just asking what can you look at to determine the type of culture within an organisation.
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yeh thanks dude so did i - i put willingness to achieve and relations amongst staff. I put kpis for each to make sure
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it said two so i put amongst staff and as my second between staff and management, im not sure if its 100% correct
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it said two so i put amongst staff and as my second between staff and management, im not sure if its 100% correct
yeh thats exactly what i did. should be right, they are characteristics of corporate culture..
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My favourite subject all year
the exam was alot easier then expected from the previous years 07 and 06. It looks like everyone has done well, gratz to all of you. Hopefully i can sement a study score of 40+, averaging fairly high and hopefully i've done well on the exam, fingers crossed =]. with everyone doing well looks like it will be scaled down more this year =(
btw was it the kotten's 8 step theory which best suited the question of motivational theory on lewn's?
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My favourite subject all year
the exam was alot easier then expected from the previous years 07 and 06. It looks like everyone has done well, gratz to all of you. Hopefully i can sement a study score of 40+, averaging fairly high and hopefully i've done well on the exam, fingers crossed =]
btw was it the kotten's 8 step theory which best suited the question of motivational theory on lewn's?
not sure what you mean with the last sentence? you seem to have muddled it up a bit? For the change management strategy I chose Lewins - mainly because it was easier to remember and much easier to write on :P
For the motivational theory I chose Maslows.. which was also easy to write on. The trouble with these questions is just trying to link everything back to the case study.
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kotters and lewins are not motivational theories. they are change management theories if thats what u mean.
and u can use either. they cant specify which one u MUST use. apparently the new busman study design which comes out i think in 2-3 years or something wont have lewins theory there anymore
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all you ppl are wrong my dad is a business management accessor and the hr strategies that are correct is good pay and safeworking conditions. and you will get full marks if you explained employee relations as 'the relationship between the human resources management and the customers.my dad is going to change my results to 50 study score and all you little kents can lickadikaday.
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HAHA!...TROLL!
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we are being taken over by BoS members - burn at the stake.
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all you ppl are wrong my dad is a business management accessor and the hr strategies that are correct is good pay and safeworking conditions. and you will get full marks if you explained employee relations as 'the relationship between the human resources management and the customers.my dad is going to change my results to 50 study score and all you little kents can lickadikaday.
See here:
http://boredofstudies.org/
A place more suited to you.
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all you ppl are wrong my dad is a business management accessor and the hr strategies that are correct is good pay and safeworking conditions. and you will get full marks if you explained employee relations as 'the relationship between the human resources management and the customers.my dad is going to change my results to 50 study score and all you little kents can lickadikaday.
Hands over a medal.
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LoL :P
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That guy fails in so many ways...
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hr strategies - did you guys get performance appraisals to help determine candidates for retrenchment and offer redundancy packages to make life easier for spiteri or whatever his name was?
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hr strategies - did you guys get performance appraisals to help determine candidates for retrenchment and offer redundancy packages to make life easier for spiteri or whatever his name was?
performance appraisal wouldn't apply because all employees were sposed to be kicked out
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Of the other two plants tho
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hm but wasn't the question solely to do with the people who were no longer needed? because the case study said, bob was appointed to deal with all staff exiting matters or something like that
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the exam was ambiguous. Since when are busman exams like that
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it didnt say all were being retrenched, just said it was closing down, surely not all wouldve been retrenched, hence the need for a performance appraisal to determine which should be totally let off, or others who could be transferred to other factories
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In order to discuss whether they shud be transferred to alternative plants, it shud have been used as a HR strategy.
since the plant was closing down, ALL employees wud be made redundant.
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i agree with avram_grant.. i stated performance appraisals aswell