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Archived Discussion => 2009 => VTAC Offers => Results Discussion => Victoria => Tertiary Admissions - Offers/Queries/Guidance => Topic started by: costargh on December 15, 2008, 12:27:53 pm
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For those of you who have been following my situation and PM'ing me etc, I thought it would just be better to sum it all up in a thread rather than re-tell it in every post/pm.
Historical information:
1. I got 24 in methods in 2007
I ended up with an ENTER of 96.95 this year, enough for Commerce at Melbourne and Monash.
Edit: BTW, Im not one of those smart azns who bolsters their ENTER up with methods and spesh and LOTE's. (Im not azn at all). I'm actually really into commerce. My subjects were all commerce related. 47 in Business, 46 in English, 40 in accounting, 40 in Legal, 36 in Further maths, 33 in Economics, 24 in Methods , 4.3 increment for Retail Operations certificate.
I called both Melbourne and Monash Uni and they both rejected me (or said I can't be accpepted into commerce) because of my 24 in methods. Im going to go to Monash tomorrow to plead my case. Totally sucks but oh well.
Melbourne lady said to go to another intsitute and do commerce and then traansfer in 2nd year but meh.
Might do Comm/law at deakin and try transfer to monash if i feel like it... meh
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should have done better at methods. lol.
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:2funny: joke that sucks
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that's kinda fucked...seeing as you got PWC award and dominated the business related subjects. Surely they could make an exception..try and get an interview rather than asking on the phone..it'll appear more sincere, maybe.
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I don't know but I was thinking, what if you ask them to give you some kind of test to complete that is methods related? Or perhaps ask to attend some classes prior to commencing your studies at either Monash or Melbourne, which would cover what you need to know in regards to methods?
Good luck.
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aww u poor thing!
good luck at monash
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I want to give you my methods score!!! I don't even need it for anything :S
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Wow great ideas guys. Do Monash 'make interview's per-say' or is it just like at the counter thingo?
And yeh maybe I can ask if i can do a test or something or attend classes etc. THANKS
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I thought Monash had like ... summer school bridging courses sorta things. I think there's one for biology, for med students who hadn't done it in VCE ... there might be a maths one too. No harm in asking at least! Good luck :)
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I thought Monash had like ... summer school bridging courses sorta things. I think there's one for biology, for med students who hadn't done it in VCE ... there might be a maths one too. No harm in asking at least! Good luck :)
Awesome. Ill write that down and remember to ask. thanks!
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There should be a head of business (I don't know the exact title) who you could make a meeting with just to discuss your situation and they might consider.
No harm in trying.
If this doesn't work out.. which uni are you going to attend and what course?
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I'm so cut I got over 25 in Methods when I don't even need it. :S... Can we give study scores away? :P
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I'm so cut I got over 25 in Methods when I don't even need it. :S... Can we give study scores away? :P
Heck if I could I'd give Costa my 42 in Methods... I didn't even need it to get in >_>
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Keep nagging by phone and in person. I have had many of my students over the years get into courses by planting themselves outside the door of the Dean/Professor in charge. Make them so sick of you that they offer you a place so that you stay away!! Don't put Deakin Uni down. I have a close friend with a Business degree from Deakin who is a CFO at 33 (Oh and he earns a fortune). You don't need a Melb or Monash degree to make it big.
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Do you mean dont 'diss' Deakin or dont put Deakin on my preferences?
LOL i dont recall putting deakin down... (ie. bagging it)
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By the way I mean don't put Deakin Uni down as in don't underestimate it or bag it. They are a good Uni.
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I'm not sure how strict Melbourne and Monash both are, but given that you got over the required ENTER (well over in Monash's case), your methods score was only one point out, you did respectably in further maths this year, and you've demonstrated your aptitude at commerce with your PWC award, you might be able to plead your way in.
Bridging courses may also be a good idea. Given that you have an okay maths knowledge already, you may be able to finish one over the summer. If you decide to enroll in one, inform them. Open Universities offers some that you can do at home and I'm pretty sure you can pay off the course fees (which aren't very high in the first place) through FEE Help, here's a link:
https://www.open.edu.au/wps/portal/cxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4h3NQTKRJoDWUG--iH6UfpR-aWJoXmZJc75Kan6kaF-PsZG-gXZiZEAGWh0BQ!!
You can start these unilearn bridging units any time and choose to do an optional exam, or not. You have up to 12 months (from the date you enrol) to complete each individual unit.
If you choose to sit the optional exam offered as a part of each unit, you will be awarded a Certificate of Achievement with a grade and percentage mark. This certificate may be used for evidence of achievement. If you choose to complete the progress tests only, you will receive an ungraded Certificate of Completion.
I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for or not, but it's worth asking Melbourne or Monash if they'd accept this. If not, check out local TAFEs, Adult Education centres (like CAE) and places like Monash College.
Other than that, perhaps you can get a teacher who particularly likes you (or your principal if you can manage that) to write a letter of reference. Or if you could get someone from PWC to write something for you, that would be awesome (a bit of a stretch though).
This is a lot of bother, and you might not be accepted at either uni for Commerce in the end, but it's worth a try. Do you have anything better to do until uni starts? In any case, keep reporting on what's going on, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
If all that doesn't work, you can transfer after your second year or go to another uni (Deakin, for instance). There's still lots you can do.
EDIT: fixed link (hopefully)
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You didn't bag it but by the way you wrote you obviously think very highly of the Monash and Melb courses. I am just saying that the Deakin courses out there in the work force may have the same reputation.
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I'm so cut I got over 25 in Methods when I don't even need it. :S... Can we give study scores away? :P
Heck if I could I'd give Costa my 42 in Methods... I didn't even need it to get in >_>
Haha, I don't even know why I chose it. :P... Mainly scaling, I guess. XD
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Yeh Thanks Eriny. I'm really appreciative of all this help everyones giving. It's really giving me ideas. I've got plenty of time now to try and mastermind a way to sneak into Monash Commerce lol or UoM.
Ill definetly suggest doing a bridging course or something as such.
You didn't bag it but by the way you wrote you obviously think very highly of the Monash and Melb courses. I am just saying that the Deakin courses out there in the work force may have the same reputation.
Ok fair enough. I definetly regard Melbourne and Monash courses as being great options. But nonetheness doing Law/Commerce at Deakin would be a great option. Just clearing that up. thanks
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I'm so cut I got over 25 in Methods when I don't even need it. :S... Can we give study scores away? :P
Heck if I could I'd give Costa my 42 in Methods... I didn't even need it to get in >_>
Haha, I don't even know why I chose it. :P... Mainly scaling, I guess. XD
Same here... well my teacher recommended I choose methods... looking back it did help with my ENTER :P
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I'm so cut I got over 25 in Methods when I don't even need it. :S... Can we give study scores away? :P
Heck if I could I'd give Costa my 42 in Methods... I didn't even need it to get in >_>
Haha, I don't even know why I chose it. :P... Mainly scaling, I guess. XD
Same here... well my teacher recommended I choose methods... looking back it did help with my ENTER :P
Mine neither... Should have chosen more subjects like Legal and English XD
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Ummm... jst a random point 2 make... I'm pretty sure Monash closes 4 xmas on the 23rd Dec, until the 1st of Jan.
Ha ha... poor hung-ova staff on New Years Day, I reckon XD
Best of luck Costargh!!! U totally, definitely and completely deserve 2 get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: Oh, and if u need some1 4 an inside job... I'm ur girl ;)
We could also ask Jo nicely 2 mess around with the computers a bit... *sneaky eyes*
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I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR THE BEST!!!!! GOOD LUCK
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Man Com/Law sounds so pr0..
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so pro :P
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Ummm... jst a random point 2 make... I'm pretty sure Monash closes 4 xmas on the 23rd Dec, until the 1st of Jan.
Ha ha... poor hung-ova staff on New Years Day, I reckon XD
Best of luck Costargh!!! U totally, definitely and completely deserve 2 get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: Oh, and if u need some1 4 an inside job... I'm ur girl ;)
We could also ask Jo nicely 2 mess around with the computers a bit... *sneaky eyes*
bahah is that even possible? what sorta 'inside job'. omg if jo cood manipulate the system.... i wood actually pay him a very hansom sum! :)
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Yeh Thanks Eriny. I'm really appreciative of all this help everyones giving. It's really giving me ideas. I've got plenty of time now to try and mastermind a way to sneak into Monash Commerce lol or UoM.
Ill definetly suggest doing a bridging course or something as such.
You didn't bag it but by the way you wrote you obviously think very highly of the Monash and Melb courses. I am just saying that the Deakin courses out there in the work force may have the same reputation.
Ok fair enough. I definetly regard Melbourne and Monash courses as being great options. But nonetheness doing Law/Commerce at Deakin would be a great option. Just clearing that up. thanks
I'm gonna do comm/law at deakin. cya there :D
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you should repeat year 12 and do methods
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you should repeat year 12 and do methods
how about no thankyou
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also the pretty damn good score in the Maths/Sci section of the GAT should help your cause.
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thanks. somehow though I think that they'll play it safe and wanna stick to their policy. im going in tomoz to monash. if im successful with convinving monash then i will go and try and convince melbourne
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what are these bridging courses?
will UoM let u in if u do those introductory maths subjects?
nevertheless economics, finance and actuarial studies are all very heavily quantitative, particularly 2nd year and above. i would strongly advise against taking such subjects at the 2nd yr level or above given a study score of 24 for methods.
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Yeh it's a 50/50.. but a fair few things are in your favour.
- Only missed out the required SS by 1.
- PWC award
- Required ENTER for the course(s)
- Good GAT results in Math/Sci
Plus an interview in person detailing all these to the head of the department/whoever is in charge.
anyway, good luck.
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the Deakin courses out there in the work force may have the same reputation.
that's a pretty big "may" :P
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dude u failed, get over it.
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dude u failed, get over it.
not nice.
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dude u failed, get over it.
not nice.
^ idiot. ppl like you disgust me.
and costargh i reckon u have a good chance at convincing them. Fingers crossed for you i hope you get in! Your enter was awesome and dude you were only 1 off the required score. I think they'll appreciate you coming in.
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hey costa.
hate to tell you this but if you had done methods normal a raw 25 would have been easier to get than in cas. but thats the past so dont worry.
You should get your school principal,vce coordinator, careers teacher to write a letter to endorse you. also make a formal interview with the head of commerce faculty with your parents?
but dont do what others said and annoy the heck out of them by calling them up every minute.
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make sure you know every little corner of information about the course of commerce at Monash for the interview, makes you sound pro and eager for a placement at their uni.
lastly, good luck and best wishes.
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Cry me a river. As a future Commerce Student who achieved a decent score of 39 in Methods, I dont think you deserve to get into the course. I worked my ass off to get thatm aswell as juggling all my other 5 subjects. You think you can just waltz in on merit? lmao! Also, seeing your extremely low Economics study score, i just dont think Commerce is for you. Have you thought of another course? Arts?
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and honestly, what kind of idiot finishes year 11, gets 24 for Methods, and chooses to do Further instead of repeating methods, knowing that they wont get in the course they want?
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actually she has a point there, why didnt u repeat methods?
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Why do you only have negative things to say about VN contributors who have gotten awesome ENTER scores, niena18? Perhaps if you actually take into consideration how hard costargh has worked throughout the year to actually achieve his ENTER, and get his awesome study scores, you will reconsider what you have just said.
You should seriously get off other people's cases, and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all! Costargh, I would seriously consider going into the interview and proving that you are what Monash or Melbourne need! I have no doubt that you will get in (just like I had no doubt you would get that awesome ENTER score :P). I would definitely consider you if I had a uni, judging by your other scores, and I mean, 1 point off? Unis should seriously consider who they are dealing with and give you a well earned position, because in all honesty, you deserve it!!! Take them to the cleaners. ;)
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Cry me a river. As a future Commerce Student who achieved a decent score of 39 in Methods, I dont think you deserve to get into the course. I worked my ass off to get thatm aswell as juggling all my other 5 subjects. You think you can just waltz in on merit? lmao! Also, seeing your extremely low Economics study score, i just dont think Commerce is for you. Have you thought of another course? Arts?
Your subjectivity totally neglected his ridiculously high English, business management and accounting scores. These are all subjects which can help him in commerce, and he also won an award for the PwC business competition a while back. I also don't understand your point about 'waltzing in on merit'; isn't that what we're ALL doing? Merit is the whole point of a bloody ENTER. Also, judging from Costa's posts on economics and such in other threads, I think he does have a decent understanding of economics and such. Study scores definitely don't necessarily reflect a person's understanding of a particular subject, and I've definitely seen this occur mostly in commerce subjects. There's alot of people with a very good understanding and passion for business stuff, but just flunk at the VCE equivalent because the stuff you learn is so theory and textbook based that it's quite inapplicable to real life. Overall, I'd say he definitely seems like he's competent enough to study commerce.
and honestly, what kind of idiot finishes year 11, gets 24 for Methods, and chooses to do Further instead of repeating methods, knowing that they wont get in the course they want?
however, I'll pay this point. Nevertheless, keep trying Costa; you seem to have VN's support :]
except niena's
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actually she has a point there, why didnt u repeat methods?
it clashed with his other subjects, ie. accounting.
trust me he tired his best to get into a class to repeat it.....i didnt hear the end of it for months when he realised that it wasn't possible.
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actually she has a point there, why didnt u repeat methods?
it clashed with his other subjects, ie. accounting.
trust me he tired his best to get into a class to repeat it.....i didnt hear the end of it for months when he realised that it wasn't possible.
Nothing worse than a subject clash... Would have done something like Business Management myself (but chose spec instead... Lol, damn scaling initiative XD).
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oh yeah i remember that. such a shame.
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hey costa.
hate to tell you this but if you had done methods normal a raw 25 would have been easier to get than in cas. but thats the past so dont worry.
lol yeh
i worked that out a while ago and posted it somewhere on the forum
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sorry for my rudeness, if u want it so bad, maybe ull get in
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trying to make amends??
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sorry for my rudeness, if u want it so bad, maybe ull get in
Yeah his evident determination will definitely lead him somewhere.
trying to make amends??
No need to be so cynical of everyone; let's accept the apology and move on.
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Apologies FTW! :D
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nawwwww...hug
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GL costa, the situation you're in really sucks.
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and honestly, what kind of idiot finishes year 11, gets 24 for Methods, and chooses to do Further instead of repeating methods, knowing that they wont get in the course they want?
I'm almost certain his school wouldn't allow him or timetable clash.
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
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I'm almost certain his school wouldn't allow him or timetable clash.
If a school wouldn't let me do a subject to meet a prerequisite, I would move school. A phone call to the appropriate person allows a far looser interpretation of school policy.
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Lol, that's like me in legal, which I only scored a 38 in (and somewhat helped hard achieve his 49! XD)
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My dad actually does the timetable for my school, so not only do I get the subjects I want, also get the teachers too :). Still though, I really do feel for you, its an unfortunate situation your in, but I'm sure you'll find some pathway in to commerce. Just quickly, I agree with whoever posted that you should be careful about which commerce stream you enter, my sister got 37 raw in methods and she still struggled with some of the maths she's encountered so far while doing commerce at u.melb.
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Same for me in Business Law at Uni. I don't feel that the mark I got in it compared to the amount that I actually knew. But, I guess, a part of that is the Business / Taxation Law dept. doesn't like giving out marks.
But, I'd have to step and rationalise a little in that, generally, they simply won't consider you if you don't meet the prerequisites (I've seen some of these cases before, although in the case of missing prerequisites - I knew a person who did *really* well with a score in the high 90s, but could not enter Medical Radiations due to lack of a Physics unit). However, I wish you the best of luck in pursuing the contact with the faculty.
I also think Eriny's suggestion is a good one as well - take a bridging course in Maths to meet this requirement through Open Universities or even redo Methods via Distance Education Centre, Victoria, TAFE or the Centre for Adult Education. A plus of this suggestion is that you can do this while taking a 'gap' year of sorts and working for a year.
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why didn't you drop accounting..
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My teachers worked the year 12 timetable around my subjects last year.
Coz I had such a weird combination...
I got a phone call:
Them: "Do u really want 2 do blah blah over chemistry?"
Me: "Yes. ...y... will that b a problem?"
Them: "No, we'll jst have 2 tell a couple of ppl that there's a timetable clash and they will have 2 pick another subject."
Me getting my subject combination meant a handful of others couldn't get theirs... I felt bad, but I really, really hate chemistry XD XD
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and honestly, what kind of idiot finishes year 11, gets 24 for Methods, and chooses to do Further instead of repeating methods, knowing that they wont get in the course they want?
lol this kids a douche bag. I know exactly the type of person you are
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and honestly, what kind of idiot finishes year 11, gets 24 for Methods, and chooses to do Further instead of repeating methods, knowing that they wont get in the course they want?
there's a lot of people like you running around here. annoying fucks.
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niena18 is a bit harsh but right. dude it was dumb. the effort you're going through now to set up an interview or something could've gotten you 25 in methods. think of how mnay peopel struggle wiht methods just for their prereq? or chem? its a prereq. Did you ignore the fact that itwas a prereq?
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niena18 is a bit harsh but right. dude it was dumb. the effort you're going through now to set up an interview or something could've gotten you 25 in methods. think of how mnay peopel struggle wiht methods just for their prereq? or chem? its a prereq. Did you ignore the fact that itwas a prereq?
if you put it like that then it make sense but how niena18 says it just annoys the hell out of me.
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i made the choice and i knew that the chances were slim, i just decided that if i got a good enough ENTER i wood try do it this way. i dont mind doing other courses. it seems that people who are more scared about the ENTER going high if i was allowed in are the ones complainging, ie. neina
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Making a list of reasons for when I try and speak to someone at Melbourne Change of preference day tomoz:
anything else u can think of?
1. Maths GAT scores- 43
2. Further maths- 36
3. Methods score 24- only 1 mark off requirement
4. ENTER 96.95- 1.35 ENTER points over 2007 requirement
5. Underrepresented school
6. Grandfather passing close to exam period last year
7. Willing to do summer bridging course or maths subject concurrently
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8. Passion for the course/uni :P
9. Winner of the PwC State Award for Business Studies
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Making a list of reasons for when I try and speak to someone at Melbourne Change of preference day tomoz:
anything else u can think of?
1. Maths GAT scores- 43
2. Further maths- 36
3. Methods score 24- only 1 mark off requirement
4. ENTER 96.95- 1.35 ENTER points over 2007 requirement
5. Underrepresented school
6. Grandfather passing close to exam period last year
7. Willing to do summer bridging course or maths subject concurrently
Passion for the course
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- PwC award
- top 1% or 2% in the state for business management
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- PwC award
- top 1% or 2% in the state for business management
not sure ill mention the 2nd one. i might mention i got 47 in busman, but heaps of people get high SSs and do this course
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- PwC award
- top 1% or 2% in the state for business management
not sure ill mention the 2nd one. i might mention i got 47 in busman, but heaps of people get high SSs and do this course
It's only those with high SSes that mention their scores. A high score is a high score - particularly in the correct subject field.
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a 36 in further is not really that big an achievement, tbh. i dunno, most of it is year 8-9 maths so it doesn't prove much.
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it does show im not a dumbass at math though.
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it does show im not a dumbass at math though.
Lol, I'm like, the biggest dumbass in maths there is... Don't know how I got 30 and 26 in methods and spec? My only guess was the assessors were on drugs when they marked my paper?
But I reckon you should do the bridging course and get into what you want to do! All those points in the list PROVE that you deserve to do it!
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im in a similar situation to costa but at a lower level. i got 88.75 ENTER and got 23 in methods. i want to do accounting/ banking finance that needs 25 in any maths and a score of 87.2. to me what doesnt seem right is that kids getting 87 and 25 in further will be getting in and i could have easily got 25 in further. i feel for you costa man, GOOD LUCK.
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im in a similar situation to costa but at a lower level. i got 88.75 ENTER and got 23 in methods. i want to do accounting/ banking finance that needs 25 in any maths and a score of 87.2. to me what doesnt seem right is that kids getting 87 and 25 in further will be getting in and i could have easily got 25 in further. i feel for you costa man, GOOD LUCK.
I feel for you man, it's very unfortunate and good luck with getting in!
However... I somewhat think you should have seen this situation coming. If you know you're not the best at maths, and that you need 25 in ANY maths, then why pick methods over further?? Surely you would have stood a better chance at getting 25 in further than methods, which is significantly harder.
Theres probably other factors as to why you didn't do this, but it seems a misguided decision to pick methods over further when you only need 25 raw. Anyways, good luck in getting in man.
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We can't always anticipate what is going to happen.
I had the chance to do Methods again and I chose not to.
What tharri08 says is right though.
Why ISNT the scaled score the important factor in this situation?
Why does someone who got 25 in further get priority over someone who got 23 in methods (which is much harder). Flawed VTAC system.
Bad luck man. I hope you get in. Yet another victim of a flawed policy. There are other members on here who have missed the pre-reqs by 1 mark too who have PM'ed me so there are quite a few of us.
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I agree with ReVeL (unless you were completely unsure as to what courses you wanted and didn't know at the time)
Costa, it's not a flawed VTAC system. It's the university's requirement. It has nothing to do with VTAC being a bastard. Someone who gets 25 in further gets priority over someone who got 23 in methods because they actually met the prerequisite.
It's the uni's call to accept you, and you shouldn't be angry at them when you do not meet their requirements and wish to attain a place, when there are many others who did meet requirements.
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It makes me realise just how hard it was to get my 30 in methods...
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Same for me in Business Law at Uni. I don't feel that the mark I got in it compared to the amount that I actually knew. But, I guess, a part of that is the Business / Taxation Law dept. doesn't like giving out marks.
Tell me bout it ::)
I found that exam fkin ridiculous, and I knew that stupid txtbook bak 2 front (aside from a few pet hates I knew I would have 2 refer 2 in the txtbook).
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Same for me in Business Law at Uni. I don't feel that the mark I got in it compared to the amount that I actually knew. But, I guess, a part of that is the Business / Taxation Law dept. doesn't like giving out marks.
Tell me bout it ::)
I found that exam fkin ridiculous, and I knew that stupid txtbook bak 2 front (aside from a few pet hates I knew I would have 2 refer 2 in the txtbook).
Aww... I want to do business law when I transfer over to Monash in a couple of years... :S... Surely it's not that mind boggling. XD
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I agree with ReVeL (unless you were completely unsure as to what courses you wanted and didn't know at the time)
Costa, it's not a flawed VTAC system. It's the university's requirement. It has nothing to do with VTAC being a bastard. Someone who gets 25 in further gets priority over someone who got 23 in methods because they actually met the prerequisite.
It's the uni's call to accept you, and you shouldn't be angry at them when you do not meet their requirements and wish to attain a place, when there are many others who did meet requirements.
You're missing my point though. It's like a law. If I break a law you can't just automatically say that its my fault for breaking that law. What if the law isn't just? Thats what I am saying. How does a 25 in further take priority over a 24 in methods.
(sorry I should have been directing my rant at the university's not VTAC.. i just get confused sometimes)
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Whilst I feel for you- it will be hard for you to get accepted- which is a real shame. However, think about it from the uni's POV and from that of other Commerce students. Personally, I had to choose methods (a subject that I really hate) over Legal- a subject that I like- just to meet to pre-requisite for Commerce. My ENTER was affected- because I would have definately got a higher score had I not chosen Methods. However, I spent a lot of time this year- fighting to ensure that I stayed on top of methods. It hardly seems fair that you get a higher ENTER score than another person- and then try and waltz in to get a spot in commerce, especially given that you had the opportunity to take Methods again.
Whilst it does seem harsh- the uni will argue that the type of Maths required to complete the commerce course- would require at least a 25 in a raw study score- and by allowing you in- it would set a precedent of other students who would "just miss out" on the pre-requisites
I hope that the Uni bends the rules for you- as you seem more than able to complete the course- however, I highly doubt it will happen.
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i don't think the gat scores are too reliable. i recall my gat study scores fluctuating wildly from 2006 to 2007 yet i don't think my abilities changed all that much.
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Same for me in Business Law at Uni. I don't feel that the mark I got in it compared to the amount that I actually knew. But, I guess, a part of that is the Business / Taxation Law dept. doesn't like giving out marks.
But, I'd have to step and rationalise a little in that, generally, they simply won't consider you if you don't meet the prerequisites (I've seen some of these cases before, although in the case of missing prerequisites - I knew a person who did *really* well with a score in the high 90s, but could not enter Medical Radiations due to lack of a Physics unit). However, I wish you the best of luck in pursuing the contact with the faculty.
I also think Eriny's suggestion is a good one as well - take a bridging course in Maths to meet this requirement through Open Universities or even redo Methods via Distance Education Centre, Victoria, TAFE or the Centre for Adult Education. A plus of this suggestion is that you can do this while taking a 'gap' year of sorts and working for a year.
that seems like the way to go, particularly if you can earn enough to be considered independent for youth allowance purposes.
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costa will get through it without a doubt.
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im not too fussed anymore guys.
eveyrone here seems to be much more passionate about it than me (either passionate that i dont get in, or passionate that i do get in).
im happy doing somethign else... so hopefully this just just dies and is forgotten.
perhaps i will do distance ed methods, but not sure not likely.
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im not too fussed anymore guys.
eveyrone here seems to be much more passionate about it than me (either passionate that i dont get in, or passionate that i do get in).
im happy doing somethign else... so hopefully this just just dies and is forgotten.
perhaps i will do distance ed methods, but not sure not likely.
Well good luck with what ever you decide to do next year :)
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im not too fussed anymore guys.
eveyrone here seems to be much more passionate about it than me (either passionate that i dont get in, or passionate that i do get in).
im happy doing somethign else... so hopefully this just just dies and is forgotten.
perhaps i will do distance ed methods, but not sure not likely.
Future law student! :D
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im not too fussed anymore guys.
eveyrone here seems to be much more passionate about it than me (either passionate that i dont get in, or passionate that i do get in).
im happy doing somethign else... so hopefully this just just dies and is forgotten.
perhaps i will do distance ed methods, but not sure not likely.
Well good luck with what ever you decide to do next year :)
thankyou much appreciated ;)
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im happy doing somethign else...
Arts! hehe
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hmm probably not for me, but nothing against arts itself :)
com/law at deakin is appealin yet scary at the same time.
any thougths on Law Brendan? Ive noticed uv dropped law... is it that bad? :S advice?
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Same for me in Business Law at Uni. I don't feel that the mark I got in it compared to the amount that I actually knew. But, I guess, a part of that is the Business / Taxation Law dept. doesn't like giving out marks.
But, I'd have to step and rationalise a little in that, generally, they simply won't consider you if you don't meet the prerequisites (I've seen some of these cases before, although in the case of missing prerequisites - I knew a person who did *really* well with a score in the high 90s, but could not enter Medical Radiations due to lack of a Physics unit). However, I wish you the best of luck in pursuing the contact with the faculty.
I also think Eriny's suggestion is a good one as well - take a bridging course in Maths to meet this requirement through Open Universities or even redo Methods via Distance Education Centre, Victoria, TAFE or the Centre for Adult Education. A plus of this suggestion is that you can do this while taking a 'gap' year of sorts and working for a year.
that seems like the way to go, particularly if you can earn enough to be considered independent for youth allowance purposes.
Come to think of it, I'm actually eligible for YA due to my IBL scholarship.
Doubleplusgood!
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hmm probably not for me, but nothing against arts itself :)
com/law at deakin is appealin yet scary at the same time.
any thougths on Law Brendan? Ive noticed uv dropped law... is it that bad? :S advice?
You seemed more set on economics and commerce. The study of the law is a totally different ball game. You've got to ask yourself: Why do you want to study law? Do you want to be a lawyer?
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I'm not too sure. I dont even think I am capable of studying economics now that I got my results back.
I kinda wanna study law because I think it'll be a challenge and it seems interesting but I guess I dont know too much about it which is why I want some advice and thoughts on what studying law is actually like.
I'm not sure if I want to be a lawyer.
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I had to drop acc or eco and i wasnt willing to do that. i wouldnt change my decision anyway. i loved economics even though i got 33. not to sound cocky but my score doesnt do justice to my understanding of economics. u can ask anyone on here, not that i have to answer to you or anything.
Same for me in Business Law at Uni. I don't feel that the mark I got in it compared to the amount that I actually knew. But, I guess, a part of that is the Business / Taxation Law dept. doesn't like giving out marks.
Tell me bout it ::)
I found that exam fkin ridiculous, and I knew that stupid txtbook bak 2 front (aside from a few pet hates I knew I would have 2 refer 2 in the txtbook).
Aww... I want to do business law when I transfer over to Monash in a couple of years... :S... Surely it's not that mind boggling. XD
Course content isn't *THAT* bad, but I am certain that that exam was DESIGNED not 2 b finished.
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Well, a law degree opens soooooo many doors to you. You don't have to be a lawyer! :)
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Well, a law degree opens soooooo many doors to you. You don't have to be a lawyer! :)
what can you be then?
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In the last 24 hours I have gone from 99% sure going to do com/law at deakin to very little chance that i am going to do law at all.
its just really kinda scary
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very little chance that i am going to do law at all.
WHAT WHY???
what can you be then?
politician, diplomat, judge, CEO, teacher ... lots and LOTS of things
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very little chance that i am going to do law at all.
WHAT WHY???
what can you be then?
politician, diplomat, judge, CEO, teacher ... lots and LOTS of things
Or you could be a consultant for a legal TV show, do something really random
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i dont think its the right choice for me.
i think my hear lies with commerce/business and id rather do masters or somethign than do law... id probbly suicide if i did law
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i think my hear lies with commerce/business and id rather do masters or somethign than do law... id probbly suicide if i did law
:'(... Suicide? Noooooo, law is fun, costargh! I swear! :)
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I've also got a choice to make.
Im eıther goıng to choose RMIT (management) ın the cıty or La Trobe (busıness) ın bundoora.
I prefer to go to rmıt as ıts closer to where ı lıve about 15-20mıns publıc transport whereas la trobe ıs about an hour by car.
Busıness at la trobe ıs a general commerce degree whereas RMIT's I dont really know ıf ıts specıfıcally management or a commerce degree.
My famıly members want me to goto La Trobe but ım not sure yet.
Whıch unı ıs better ın my case?? Is there a hıgher chance of me gettıng a job wıth La Trobe or Rmıt? Whıch one ıs more prestıgıous? etc etc
any extra ınfo wıll be hıghly apprecıated
Need advıce ASAP!!!
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In answer to your question, I tend to lean on the side of RMIT being more prestigious than La Trobe, particularly in the field of media and business. I went to open day for both universities, and RMIT's seemed to have more knowledge about what they do and where their graduates go, as opposed to La Trobe, who had never had such lectures.
I'd go with your gut and go to RMIT, but ultimately it is your decision, and what you would like to do in the future.
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In answer to your question, I tend to lean on the side of RMIT being more prestigious than La Trobe, particularly in the field of media and business. I went to open day for both universities, and RMIT's seemed to have more knowledge about what they do and where their graduates go, as opposed to La Trobe, who had never had such lectures.
I'd go with your gut and go to RMIT, but ultimately it is your decision, and what you would like to do in the future.
I agree with Alana bout the gut thing.
It's ur choice, not ur family's.
If u wanna g2 RMIT, then g2 RMIT.
I've heard they're quite good in terms of business/commerce subjects.
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i know a professor at RMIT and he is good
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and to costargh you can always do com/law and drop the law component if you don't like it.
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i know a professor at RMIT and he is good
RMIT over La Trobe. :)
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Yeah I went to a Melbourne Uni thingy and they said if you did well in further you could do like a math course over the summer so that should be alright
Can you elaborate a bit more?