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VCE Stuff => Victorian Technical Score Discussion => Topic started by: itsme on December 15, 2008, 11:32:31 pm
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Does anyone ever get an offer for a course that is below the Fringe?
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Yeah. SEAS people. :)
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hmm, fringe ENTER for comm/law last year at monash was around 98.70 IIRC. Applied for the Non Eng speaking background category in SEAS and got an ENTER of 96.00. is it still possible to get an offer?
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95% of people who got into that course got above the fringe enter.
So yes, 1/20 people get in who are below that enter :P
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how come sometimes the fringe enter is higher than the clearly in??????
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how come sometimes the fringe enter is higher than the clearly in??????
Because, the fringe ENTER usually determines who gets into a particular course, not the clearly-in. Also, it takes into consideration other aspects, whereas the clearly-in judges by ENTER alone (any evidence to check this)?
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I'm wondering the opposite.
In the guide it says the clearly-in enter is: 'the rank at or above which all ranked (eligible) applicants who applied for that course were offered a place.'
For fringe it says 95%. How can the score that 95% got (or above) be lower than the one for 100% of applicants who were offered a place?
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I'm wondering the opposite.
In the guide it says the clearly-in enter is: 'the rank at or above which all ranked (eligible) applicants who applied for that course were offered a place.'
For fringe it says 95%. How can the score that 95% got (or above) be lower than the one for 100% of applicants who were offered a place?
You're misreading the posts....
95% of people who got into that course got above the fringe enter.
So yes, 1/20 people get in who are below that enter :P
In other words, there will be 5% of applicants who entered the course with ENTERs below that of the Fringe ENTER. That's my understanding of it anyway.
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In other words, there will be 5% of applicants who entered the course with ENTERs below that of the Fringe ENTER. That's my understanding of it anyway.
Also in other words, because you have 95% of people who enter the course above the Fringe ENTER, 5% of people will enter the course below the requirement of the Fringe ENTER. :p
But in response to your question champorado: taking Arts at Monash Clayton 2008 as an example, 85.80 was the clearly-in, 82.50 was the fringe, and thus it's confusing of why that is such a case! But, we also notice that 21.43% of round 1 offers were to students below the clearly in ENTER of 85.80.
Thus, although the clearly in was 85.80, because such a large proportion of offers was offered to students below this clearly-in, the Fringe enter is inevitably lower than the clearly-in.
Why? I assume it's because of the middle-band considerations. :)
(Hope I make sense!)
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The fringe enter does not tell you anything other than 95% of people who received a first round offer got above it. It does not guarantee you anything. There are a few confused people here.
Clearly-in: Everyone from the last selection cycle who achieved this ENTER or better (and met subject requirements ie 25 in english or whatever) got offered a place. This is how they select most of the applicants (~80%)
Most courses then have a middle band (~20%). This is where they use criteria other than your ENTER to determine who they should dish out the remainder of the places to. This is because if you were say doing science they'd prefer it if their applicants actually did science subjects in VCE as opposed to humanities ones, and thus give you a little bonus making you more likely to be picked. Stuff like SEAS comes into play here as well.
Once everything is all sorted, they can then calculate the fringe enter, where 95% of people receiving offers got this or better. You can get above the fringe enter and not get into a course, similarly you can definitely get below it and get into it.
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So confusing :(
It makes my head hurt :P
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i wont get into a course thats 83.90 clearly in and 75 fringe even with SEAS will I? :(
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i wont get into a course thats 83.90 clearly in and 75 fringe even with SEAS will I? :(
What was your ENTER?
There is a possible chance if you got 70+. Keep it up there in your preferences.
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Try and look at the % of offers made below clearly IN requirments, if its a high % u still got a chance.
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Try and look at the % of offers made below clearly IN requirments, if its a high % u still got a chance.
the clearly in % was 21.43%
i wont get into a course thats 83.90 clearly in and 75 fringe even with SEAS will I? :(
What was your ENTER?
There is a possible chance if you got 70+. Keep it up there in your preferences.
my ENTER was 72.55.... still got a chance??
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Try and look at the % of offers made below clearly IN requirments, if its a high % u still got a chance.
the clearly in % was 21.43%
i wont get into a course thats 83.90 clearly in and 75 fringe even with SEAS will I? :(
What was your ENTER?
There is a possible chance if you got 70+. Keep it up there in your preferences.
my ENTER was 72.55.... still got a chance??
Thats quite high. Which is good. It means a fair amount of people who got into the course were below the required score, so you too could get in for this year.
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So when they say ranked (eligible) applicants (for clearly-in), they don't include the middle-band, but they include them when calculating the fringe enter?
I think that makes sense. Thanks for the replies.