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Archived Discussion => 2014 => Results Discussion => Victoria => 2008 => Topic started by: xox.happy1.xox on December 17, 2008, 10:27:50 am

Title: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 17, 2008, 10:27:50 am
I was wondering if anyone knew how to do the study score analysis like Cuppa had done for the previous two years? ---> http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,1415.msg19758.html#msg19758


There's karma in it for whoever can do it...  ;)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Odette. on December 17, 2008, 10:35:50 am
I was wondering if anyone knew how to do the study score analysis like Cuppa had done for the previous two years? ---> http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,1415.msg19758.html#msg19758


There's karma in it for whoever can do it...  ;)

Sounds tempting.... but I'll pass :P
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 17, 2008, 10:36:52 am
I was wondering if anyone knew how to do the study score analysis like Cuppa had done for the previous two years? ---> http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,1415.msg19758.html#msg19758


There's karma in it for whoever can do it...  ;)

Sounds tempting.... but I'll pass :P

Hehe, don't worry Odette, you always get karma from me anyways. :P
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Odette. on December 17, 2008, 10:39:21 am
I was wondering if anyone knew how to do the study score analysis like Cuppa had done for the previous two years? ---> http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,1415.msg19758.html#msg19758


There's karma in it for whoever can do it...  ;)

Sounds tempting.... but I'll pass :P

Hehe, don't worry Odette, you always get karma from me anyways. :P

Wooooooooooooooo! :P
I'm just too good lol...
Would be good if someone does make a study score analysis for '08 though :D
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 17, 2008, 10:47:04 am
I was wondering if anyone knew how to do the study score analysis like Cuppa had done for the previous two years? ---> http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,1415.msg19758.html#msg19758


There's karma in it for whoever can do it...  ;)

Sounds tempting.... but I'll pass :P

Hehe, don't worry Odette, you always get karma from me anyways. :P

Wooooooooooooooo! :P
I'm just too good lol...
Would be good if someone does make a study score analysis for '08 though :D

You're the best. :)

Hehe, whoever does it will get the first karma from me. :P (Or maybe not, but still karma nevertheless. :))
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 17, 2008, 01:47:31 pm
yes someone make something like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Fyrefly on December 17, 2008, 04:12:17 pm

Speaking of... Odette, ur karma has shot thru the roof the last couple of days! XD
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: vcestar on December 17, 2008, 04:14:41 pm
I dont know what you mean analysis. I mean all the results (ENTER and SS) of most members are provided i dont know what more analysis we could do. I say we just leave it there. ???
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 04:15:34 pm
I could probably do it if I had shitloads of spare time.

I just have to revise my string manipulations in Java, or whip out some old programs I had that did exactly this but for a business venture I'm involved in.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Survivor on December 17, 2008, 04:17:10 pm
Yes, if somebody could do this, I would love them for life :D
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: costargh on December 17, 2008, 04:17:48 pm
If someone does this I will + karma them for the rest of their life.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 17, 2008, 04:18:30 pm
If someone does this I will + karma them for the rest of their life.
yerp same
we need daniel15
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 17, 2008, 04:19:12 pm
I could probably do it if I had shitloads of spare time.

I just have to revise my string manipulations in Java, or whip out some old programs I had that did exactly this but for a business venture I'm involved in.
do it excal you'd be the man of Vn for 08. 100+ve karams coming your way
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: psychlaw on December 17, 2008, 04:20:24 pm
I could probably do it if I had shitloads of spare time.

I just have to revise my string manipulations in Java, or whip out some old programs I had that did exactly this but for a business venture I'm involved in.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEE
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 04:21:18 pm
Urgh, I'll (begrudgingly) install the JDK again when I get home and see what I can do...

edit: Ahmad knows Java better than I do though!
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 17, 2008, 04:33:29 pm
I still have my program from last time, so I'll upload a RAR with this year's info as soon as I can be bothered copying down the lists from the Herald Sun website. If you're lucky I'll get it done tonight.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: costargh on December 17, 2008, 04:35:22 pm
EVERYONE START POSITIVE KARMA-ING HIM AS MOTIVATION TO GET IT DONE ASP :D :D
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: psychlaw on December 17, 2008, 04:39:09 pm
I still have my program from last time, so I'll upload a RAR with this year's info as soon as I can be bothered copying down the lists from the Herald Sun website. If you're lucky I'll get it done tonight.
Was it my pm that brought you back :P
I knew it would go to your email!!

THANKS!!!
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Synesthetic on December 17, 2008, 04:42:21 pm
I still have my program from last time, so I'll upload a RAR with this year's info as soon as I can be bothered copying down the lists from the Herald Sun website. If you're lucky I'll get it done tonight.

That would be fantastic and much appreciated.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Mao on December 17, 2008, 04:53:01 pm
it looks like something VB could do :P but i don't have time these few days, and I don't have visualstudio installed right now, gar!

it might be something that can be chucked in to a [massive] excel spreadsheet. probably not a wise idea though as the file size would get ridiculous, and the time it takes to open the file would be tedious....
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 05:09:59 pm
I still have my program from last time, so I'll upload a RAR with this year's info as soon as I can be bothered copying down the lists from the Herald Sun website. If you're lucky I'll get it done tonight.

Publish the code so that we can use it in case you disappear for whatever reason :D

(there are a number of Java developers on this site as well, including myself and Ahmad)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 05:11:19 pm
it looks like something VB could do :P but i don't have time these few days, and I don't have visualstudio installed right now, gar!

it might be something that can be chucked in to a [massive] excel spreadsheet. probably not a wise idea though as the file size would get ridiculous, and the time it takes to open the file would be tedious....

Java (and the other C++ family of languages, with appropriate libraries) is somewhat superior to VB in terms of string manipulation, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Mao on December 17, 2008, 05:47:32 pm
I still have my program from last time, so I'll upload a RAR with this year's info as soon as I can be bothered copying down the lists from the Herald Sun website. If you're lucky I'll get it done tonight.

Publish the code so that we can use it in case you disappear for whatever reason :D

(there are a number of Java developers on this site as well, including myself and Ahmad)

he might have not meant it to be open source


it looks like something VB could do :P but i don't have time these few days, and I don't have visualstudio installed right now, gar!

it might be something that can be chucked in to a [massive] excel spreadsheet. probably not a wise idea though as the file size would get ridiculous, and the time it takes to open the file would be tedious....

Java (and the other C++ family of languages, with appropriate libraries) is somewhat superior to VB in terms of string manipulation, in my opinion.

if it gets the job done, i really don't see the need to classify superiority

Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 17, 2008, 07:20:01 pm
Okay, that was tedious. Next time I'm going to make a scraper to automate copying the lists from the Herald Sun website.

Anyway, here is a RAR containing all the data from 2006-2008: http://www.quppa.net/ (updated)

Remember not to read too much into the 'rankings'. School populations and scaling are not taken into account, and of course some people opt not to have their results published.

I should note that there are 3 scores missing from the file: the Herald Sun's pages for Bosnian, Indo FL and Portuguese weren't published correctly. Perhaps someone with a hard copy of the paper could tell me what the scores should be.

Also, what's 'Music (VCE VET)'? No such subject is listed on the VCAA website.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: costargh on December 17, 2008, 07:23:34 pm
AWESOME LOVE U
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 17, 2008, 07:24:40 pm
Too awesome!!! :D
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: doboman on December 17, 2008, 07:32:42 pm

ERROR

This file is neither allocated to a Premium Account, or a Collector's Account, and can therefore only be downloaded 10 times.

This limit is reached.

To download this file, the uploader either needs to transfer this file into his/her Collector's Account, or upload the file again. The file can later be moved to a Collector's Account. The uploader just needs to click the delete link of the file to get further information.

Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 07:35:17 pm
Someone post it on another site...
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: ell on December 17, 2008, 07:42:32 pm
Mirror ('08 only): http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/2/24/814207/Study%20Scores%2008.rar
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 17, 2008, 07:51:03 pm
Stupid Rapidshare...

I've uploaded it to http://www.quppa.net/
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 08:02:49 pm
Cuppa - mind sharing the source? :)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: chewybacca on December 17, 2008, 08:25:50 pm
Wow! Nice work!

One thing though - how come the LOTE Chinese Second Language and LOTE Chinese Second Language Advanced information are the same? I think you missed the Second Language (not Advanced) section...  ;D

Other than that, great job =p
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Synesthetic on December 17, 2008, 08:30:35 pm
Really grateful for that Cuppa, it makes things a lot easier!
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: chlloe on December 17, 2008, 08:34:11 pm
My computer wont open.

Says cant find file type or something? Im so not a computer person HELP!
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 17, 2008, 10:22:24 pm
One thing though - how come the LOTE Chinese Second Language and LOTE Chinese Second Language Advanced information are the same? I think you missed the Second Language (not Advanced) section...  ;D

You're right, sorry about that. I've uploaded a corrected version (http://www.quppa.net/). Please tell me if you find any other errors.

My computer wont open.

Says cant find file type or something? Im so not a computer person HELP!

You will need a program like WinRAR or 7-zip or WinZIP to open the RAR file. 7-zip is free, so you might as well use that.

Was it my pm that brought you back :P
I knew it would go to your email!!

Yep :P

Cuppa - mind sharing the source? :)

Maybe, but it's not the best code :P

If I hadn't already written it, I would just stick the data into a database and run some queries on it to produce the same set of lists. That probably would have been simpler.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on December 17, 2008, 11:03:46 pm
Cuppa - I have a badge that says 'Real Programmers don't document - if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.'
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Noblesse on December 17, 2008, 11:47:49 pm
Woot for being 32nd student :P (yay for raw scores)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 18, 2008, 12:04:42 am
Woot for being 32nd student :P (yay for raw scores)
i'm 852 :P
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: costargh on December 18, 2008, 12:33:08 am
I'm 1066th by Totals
Quote
1066. Vasili, Costa (St John's Regional College Dandenong): 3 total
   Accounting: 40
   Business Management: 47
   English: 46

and 1394th by Scores
Quote
1394. Vasili, Costa (St John's Regional College Dandenong): 3 total
   Accounting: 40
   Business Management: 47
   English: 46
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Odette. on December 18, 2008, 08:43:14 am

Speaking of... Odette, ur karma has shot thru the roof the last couple of days! XD

I know! I don't even know why lol... maybe this whole being nice thing is finally paying off :D
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 18, 2008, 08:50:42 am

Speaking of... Odette, ur karma has shot thru the roof the last couple of days! XD

I know! I don't even know why lol... maybe this whole being nice thing is finally paying off :D

Hehe, too nice! ;)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: chlloe on December 18, 2008, 09:20:26 am
Yay 2748th by totals.

and 2293rd by scores.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 18, 2008, 09:22:26 am
Not even there! :S... Damn legal and Italian...
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: maybejustmaybe on December 18, 2008, 09:35:56 am
great, thankyou!

but politics is missing from the "by subject" folder?
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Fyrefly on December 18, 2008, 10:44:46 am

More karma than posts!! :D

Congratulations Cuppa, and thank-you! ^_^
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 18, 2008, 11:26:06 am
but politics is missing from the "by subject" folder?

I called the two Politics subjects 'International Politics - International Studies' and 'International Politics - National Politics'.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: maybejustmaybe on December 18, 2008, 04:52:49 pm
hahaha oops, i thought i was probably just missing it but i gave up trying to find it  :-[
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: maybejustmaybe on December 18, 2008, 04:56:41 pm
YAY! our class is number one :)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: xox.happy1.xox on December 18, 2008, 05:00:00 pm

More karma than posts!! :D

Congratulations Cuppa, and thank-you! ^_^

Lolz, I noticed that too! :p
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 18, 2008, 05:23:10 pm
Okay, this will hopefully be the last correction: http://www.quppa.net/

This version includes the 3 scores from Bosnian, Indonesian FL and Portuguese that were left out because the website published them without a number. It will have very little effect on rankings.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on December 25, 2008, 10:17:53 pm
@Excalibur: I cleaned up the source code a little bit and uploaded it: http://www.quppa.net/studyscores.html

Very little documentation, sorry (there's not much code, though). I decided to change it to use hash tables instead of a simple array, which ended up cutting down the processing time from about 1 minute on my machine to about 10 seconds. Great success~ (I still think database queries would be easier...)
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: EvangelionZeta on December 29, 2008, 01:47:44 am
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: dekoyl on December 29, 2008, 02:06:36 am
well this person would likely have done methods last year considering they got 45 in spesh
I don't think that was the point :P

If you look at the aggregate, which is around 211 according to '07 scaling, that's 99.95 right there. Crazy scores with two of the hardest languages available in VCE.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 29, 2008, 01:47:09 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?
no your eyes are quite well.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: lacoste on December 29, 2008, 01:56:42 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?

Wow! That kid is talented! Gotta love the scaling on those subjects!
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: j2bmw on December 30, 2008, 10:20:54 am
I found a website which ranks schools based on VCE/VET/VCAL results (http://bettereducation.com.au/Results/VCE2008Results.aspx) and other aspects (http://bettereducation.com.au/SchoolRanking.aspx).
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 30, 2008, 02:37:55 pm
I found a website which ranks schools based on VCE/VET/VCAL results (http://bettereducation.com.au/Results/VCE2008Results.aspx) and other aspects (http://bettereducation.com.au/SchoolRanking.aspx).
good find. Melbourne high is ranked 3rd, rofl.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: scumel on December 30, 2008, 05:10:02 pm
YAY! our class is number one :)
gom mustve taught us something after all lol
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Synesthetic on December 30, 2008, 05:38:31 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?

2007

1955. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (Xavier College Kew): 2 total
   Accounting: 50
   Mathematics - Mathematical Methods (CAS): 49
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Damo17 on December 30, 2008, 05:42:43 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?

2007

1955. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (Xavier College Kew): 2 total
   Accounting: 50
   Mathematics - Mathematical Methods (CAS): 49
\



WOW!! He must have got the highest aggregate.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Synesthetic on December 30, 2008, 05:53:09 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?

2007

1955. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (Xavier College Kew): 2 total
   Accounting: 50
   Mathematics - Mathematical Methods (CAS): 49
\



WOW!! He must have got the highest aggregate.

That's right, his aggregate was just under 220.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: hard on December 30, 2008, 05:55:39 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?

2007

1955. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (Xavier College Kew): 2 total
   Accounting: 50
   Mathematics - Mathematical Methods (CAS): 49
\



WOW!! He must have got the highest aggregate.
fuck me side ways.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Synesthetic on December 30, 2008, 08:14:09 pm
7. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (4 total)
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 48
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 45

...Holy crap.  Are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a 99.95 with four subjects?

2007

1955. Paikopoulos, Miltiadis (Xavier College Kew): 2 total
   Accounting: 50
   Mathematics - Mathematical Methods (CAS): 49
\



WOW!! He must have got the highest aggregate.

Actually...I'm not quite so sure now.


2008:
5. Hughes, Stephen (Xavier College Kew): 5 total
   Biology: 50
   Chemistry: 49
   English: 50
   LOTE Classical Greek: 49
   Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 44

2007:
1069. Hughes, Stephen (Xavier College Kew): 3 total
   LOTE Japanese Second Language: 45
   LOTE Latin: 47
   Mathematics - Mathematical Methods (CAS): 46


Both their aggregates are ~220.
For Stephen Hughes, he didn't need the 49 in Chem and 46 in Methods in his top six ;D
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: GMK11 on December 30, 2008, 08:26:03 pm
Paikopoulos, Miltiadis

^^^ he got the highest in Vic.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: riadnicolas on December 31, 2008, 01:52:47 pm
i met miltiadis he also did an extension study, UMEP maths
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on January 04, 2009, 03:11:56 am
@Excalibur: I cleaned up the source code a little bit and uploaded it: http://www.quppa.net/studyscores.html

Very little documentation, sorry (there's not much code, though). I decided to change it to use hash tables instead of a simple array, which ended up cutting down the processing time from about 1 minute on my machine to about 10 seconds. Great success~ (I still think database queries would be easier...)

Quick skim over the code and it looks like it's better documented than anything I'd do for myself...

(and least you haven't put the entire program on one line or just simply removed all whitespace altogether...)

I'll just use some tools I have to parse the code and give me a class diagram that'll help me make sense of the classes you've used - but I sort of get the gist anyway.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: excal on January 04, 2009, 03:25:13 am
Code: [Select]
public static void readSubjects() throws Exception {

String dataDir = rootdir + year + "\\Subjects";
File subjectDir = new File(dataDir);

// list of subjects
File[] subjectList = subjectDir.listFiles();

subjects = new Subject[subjectList.length];
subjectSchools = new SchoolListHT[subjectList.length];

System.out.println("Reading data files (" + dataDir + ")...");

long startreadtime = System.currentTimeMillis();

for(int i=0;i<subjectList.length;i++) { ... } 

My understanding is that this snippet of code (including the for loop) reads from a folder of source data files and names the Subject based on the file's name which is presumably in the format "Subject Name 3/4", hence:

Code: [Select]

studyName = studyName.substring(0,studyName.length()-4);

I'm curious to know by what method you used to grab the data files off the Herald Sun website? Was it by hand?
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on January 13, 2009, 12:23:17 am
My understanding is that this snippet of code (including the for loop) reads from a folder of source data files and names the Subject based on the file's name which is presumably in the format "Subject Name 3/4".

That's right.

I'm curious to know by what method you used to grab the data files off the Herald Sun website? Was it by hand?

I did do it by hand, I'm afraid. It's easily the most tedious part about the whole process, and when I can be bothered I intend to make an automated scraper to do it for me for future years.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on January 27, 2009, 07:03:29 pm
I'm not sure if this will interest many people here, but someone kindly sent me data from 1998 and 2000-2005. The archive now contains 10 years' worth of info, which I think is pretty cool.

http://www.quppa.net/studyscores.html

Now I can forget about this for another year...
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: RD on January 27, 2009, 10:03:46 pm
Gunna be a major stalkfest with the old data.
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: lalala on January 27, 2009, 10:12:19 pm
It doesn't work for me  :(
Title: Re: Study score analysis?
Post by: Quppa on January 28, 2009, 12:16:14 am
It doesn't work for me  :(

Do you have 7-zip or WinRAR installed?