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Archived Discussion => 2009 => VTAC Offers => Results Discussion => Victoria => Tertiary Admissions - Offers/Queries/Guidance => Topic started by: MjM2 on December 20, 2008, 04:10:00 pm
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As the title says, how much does name/prestige count for a uni? Especially when it comes to employment.
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It depends on the degree ...
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alot, as the word suggests...
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depends on degree and depends on the kind of employment.
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Well, in my case, I was looking at commerce/engineering at Monash or Melbourne.
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theres already an epic thread regarding commerce, the 'final' vote for which uni is better...
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I would say that the amount of reputation a uni possesses has a vast effect on employment prospects. For example, would you hire someone who studies law at Monash uni or Vic uni? (Kinda rhetorical).
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depends on degree and depends on the kind of employment.
+1
Case in point: No-one would hire an Info. Sys. grad from Melbourne Uni over someone from Swinburne, let alone Monash.
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I would say that the amount of reputation a uni possesses has a vast effect on employment prospects. For example, would you hire someone who studies law at Monash uni or Vic uni? (Kinda rhetorical).
Hey! Don't be so cruel, VU is not as bad as most people make it out to be... :'( Poor VU...
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I would say that the amount of reputation a uni possesses has a vast effect on employment prospects. For example, would you hire someone who studies law at Monash uni or Vic uni? (Kinda rhetorical).
Hey! Don't be so cruel, VU is not as bad as most people make it out to be... :'( Poor VU...
VU open day was probably the best open day. It was really good!
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I would say that the amount of reputation a uni possesses has a vast effect on employment prospects. For example, would you hire someone who studies law at Monash uni or Vic uni? (Kinda rhetorical).
Hey! Don't be so cruel, VU is not as bad as most people make it out to be... :'( Poor VU...
VU open day was probably the best open day. It was really good!
Yeah I heard it was pretty good :P Goooooooooooooo VU :) Doing our best to lure you suckers in ;) j/k
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i think its mostly a load of crap. when two people from different unis interview for a job, the employee is gunna hire whoever will be best suited for the job, who has better attributes and is going to be more valuable. they aren't gunna give a toss which uni they went to. why would they hire somebody from UoM, when the guy that went to VU is going to be a better assett to the company? they wouldnt.
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i think its mostly a load of crap. when two people from different unis interview for a job, the employee is gunna hire whoever will be best suited for the job, who has better attributes and is going to be more valuable. they aren't gunna give a toss which uni they went to. why would they hire somebody from UoM, when the guy that went to VU is going to be a better assett to the company? they wouldnt.
Well... ah that is a very rare case. Most places will prefer a UoM/MU student over a VU student.
That's why I'm trying to do courses outside my course to enhance my chances of getting a job :) I've been doing some thinking and I doubt I want to do first year uni AGAIN! so I'll stick with VU :)
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Which uni you go to does certainly help, but that's not the be all and end all. Prospective employers will also look at things like your academic record and extra curricular activites, and once you get established at your respective company/firm, they aren't gonna care about all this.
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i think its mostly a load of crap. when two people from different unis interview for a job, the employee is gunna hire whoever will be best suited for the job, who has better attributes and is going to be more valuable. they aren't gunna give a toss which uni they went to. why would they hire somebody from UoM, when the guy that went to VU is going to be a better assett to the company? they wouldnt.
Well... ah that is a very rare case. Most places will prefer a UoM/MU student over a VU student.
That's why I'm trying to do courses outside my course to enhance my chances of getting a job :) I've been doing some thinking and I doubt I want to do first year uni AGAIN! so I'll stick with VU :)
no, it is not 'very rare'. THEY WILL HIRE THE BETTER PERSON, NOT THE PERSON THAT WENT TO UOM.
however you could argue that the people that get into UoM in the first place are smarter and more determined etc...
put yourself in the employee's shoes, then have another think.
they're going to prefer a person that went to UoM? sure. but they are going to prefer a person that suits the job and will earn their company money, even more.
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i think its mostly a load of crap. when two people from different unis interview for a job, the employee is gunna hire whoever will be best suited for the job, who has better attributes and is going to be more valuable. they aren't gunna give a toss which uni they went to. why would they hire somebody from UoM, when the guy that went to VU is going to be a better assett to the company? they wouldnt.
Well... ah that is a very rare case. Most places will prefer a UoM/MU student over a VU student.
That's why I'm trying to do courses outside my course to enhance my chances of getting a job :) I've been doing some thinking and I doubt I want to do first year uni AGAIN! so I'll stick with VU :)
no, it is not 'very rare'. THEY WILL HIRE THE BETTER PERSON, NOT THE PERSON THAT WENT TO UOM.
however you could argue that the people that get into UoM in the first place are smarter and more determined etc...
put yourself in the employee's shoes, then have another think.
they're going to prefer a person that went to UoM? sure. but they are going to prefer a person that suits the job and will earn their company money, even more.
Don't you mean employer?
Anyways If I were an employer I'd want someone who could get the job done in the most efficient and effective way possible, so experience would be a key factor. However you would think or assume that the student from UoM would be more qualified for the job, as it's really hard to get into UoM, and staying there is also quite difficult, but I don't know, it really depends on the situation at hand. :)
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If I was an employer and I had 100 applications to scan through, I would probably use which uni attended to shorten down applicants.
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If I was an employer and I had 100 applications to scan through, I would probably use which uni attended to shorten down applicants.
same
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yeah me too actually.
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I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
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I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
well there goes any chance of me going to deakin
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I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
s'pose that includes Monash, ANU, Melbourne, USyd, UNSW, UAdelaide and...?
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queensland & WA
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I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
I'll be looking for companies who don't choose their employees through that method :P
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well if you had person A who was BRILLIANT for the job and person B who was awful, you would obviously hire person A regardless of their uni
i think the point is more if person A and B are very close in terms of their interview, employers are more likely to choose the Go8 graduate than the vicuni grad
aaaaaaand i don't mean to offend, i think it's wrong, but that's just the way it works. oh well
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well if you had person A who was BRILLIANT for the job and person B who was awful, you would obviously hire person A regardless of their uni
i think the point is more if person A and B are very close in terms of their interview, employers are more likely to choose the Go8 graduate than the vicuni grad
aaaaaaand i don't mean to offend, i think it's wrong, but that's just the way it works. oh well
I guess you're right in saying that. However not all companies would do that... I'm already offered a job at a firm once I graduate.... and it's not due to my degree.. it's due to my Accounting Software experience. So there is still hope out there for those who don't attend the top universities :) [Note: I was offered this job today, and I don't know if I'll take up this offer yet, though the idea of making partner a couple of years after working there is tempting :o :P]
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UoSE FTW :D :smitten: ;D ;)
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UoSE FTW :D :smitten: ;D ;)
I don't think degrees from there will be worth the paper they are written on (it's such a shame :( )
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I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
I'll be looking for companies who don't choose their employees through that method :P
It's very difficult to find companies like that, though. :(
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^ particularly VU. It has a bad reputation when you compare it to other uni's. Maybe cause of the low ENTER requirements?
(no offence intended)
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I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
http://deakin.edu.au/buslaw/aef/course/murcutt.php
Multi-award winning Deakin graduate, Scott Murcutt is amazed at how his career has taken off since he joined Deutsche Bank's Melbourne office.
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^ particularly VU. It has a bad reputation when you compare it to other uni's. Maybe cause of the low ENTER requirements?
(no offence intended)
None taken. :) Ultimately, I'm planning on only doing law at VU for one year, and transferring to Monash the next year, and possibly redoing my whole course again. (This beats trying to get an ENTER of 99.30 for Monash law first time around any day. :))
@ Prav: ohhh, there may be hope for people like me. :P
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^ particularly VU. It has a bad reputation when you compare it to other uni's. Maybe cause of the low ENTER requirements?
(no offence intended)
I don't know what it is, but for one thing... the content that VU offers for certain subjects aren't easy, just because the ENTER required is low, people think that their course will be easy, but it's not... I mean they do need to keep some sort of quality standard!
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^ particularly VU. It has a bad reputation when you compare it to other uni's. Maybe cause of the low ENTER requirements?
(no offence intended)
I don't know what it is, but for one thing... the content that VU offers for certain subjects aren't easy, just because the ENTER required is low, people think that their course will be easy, but it's not... I mean they do need to keep some sort of quality standard!
I actually agree. All courses are very similar in standard, irregardless if they're part of the Group of Eight or not. The lower ENTER score as opposed to other unis is simply because there is less demand for Law at VU; it does not mean that the educational standards of the uni are in any way less academic than say, that of Monash.
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I don't think it's got anything to do with the ENTER though, they must be superior in some way and that's why more people are applying at Monash or whatever instead of VU.
I've heard of certain companies that just throw out the CVs of people whose degrees aren't from Group of Eight universities.
http://deakin.edu.au/buslaw/aef/course/murcutt.php
Multi-award winning Deakin graduate, Scott Murcutt is amazed at how his career has taken off since he joined Deutsche Bank's Melbourne office.
deakin is well regarded for its commerce degrees and commercial law focus. i dont think theres any stigma attached to these courses....
you sure? damn -_- i was thinking of doing commerce/law there with an intention of doing commercial law..
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wait.. weren't you gunna go to ANU?^
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i was just saying.... Employers would obviously choose UoM and Monash graduates over VU graduates.
VU is also ranked amongst the lowest in the state. I agree that the course content would be pretty similar however employers also tend to look at the uni's reputation as well when they are selecting their employees.
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i was just saying.... Employers would obviously choose UoM and Monash graduates over VU graduates.
VU is also ranked amongst the lowest in the state. I agree that the course content would be pretty similar however employers also tend to look at the uni's reputation as well when they are selecting their employees.
From what I've heard (so don't quote me on this) companies these days are looking past your academic history or whatever you want to call it. They are looking at experience as well. Trust me some employers don't want to spend money on training someone, when another graduate from another university has the experience :P
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theres already an epic thread regarding commerce, the 'final' vote for which uni is better...
any one have a link to this thread? I cant' find it.
Im rly interested to know what people think. I always hear that Melbourne uni is definitely the place to do commerce, and is worth a lot more than a monash degree. :S
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any one have a link to this thread? I cant' find it.
Here ---> http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,8798.0.html
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thanx Alana!
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wait.. weren't you gunna go to ANU?^
yeah i was/am now (90% :P). i was just considering deakin cuz it would let me stay here. not in my final preferences now though cuz apparently it's not highly regarded amongst employers..
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from what i've heard not much